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HighPrincessErinys

(2): ActionDan, Gimli

Hu Tao

(1): Aureal

Aureal

(1): Hu Tao

Klick

(1): Radical Rat

Gimli

(1): CUDDLE TIME

Not Voting

(4): T-Bone, HighPrincessErinys, Doctor Drew, Klick

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-02-27 17:44:05).

Grace Period: No one can be hammered for (expired on 2024-02-18 17:44:05)

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[Doctor Drew]

Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.

If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.

We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.

That'd be where the potential for confounding evidence comes in. If someone is able to generate guilties outside that PoE, or innos within it, or grant us Klick's flip, and we trust whoever does so, then I would reevaluate. If that doesn't happen, we should hopefully still have two days to figure out where we went wrong.

Can you clarify this? I don't know exactly what you mean here

Some skills can give us similar information to a flip if they're in the game, some skills (and detective) can generate innos or guilties, and the game's continued running in the scenario where none of that happens and all three of my suspects die means that none of them were Kira, but since we have until Day 5 unless the detective dies, we would still have at least two days to figure the rest out.

Ahh ok

And do you think Klick has shown signs of being Kira? Or is just in general scummy?

[Aureal]

Reading Aureal's post: yes, jarring is exactly the word to describe that pivot.

- Dragon

And so was yours, lol

I'll consider your case later, my brain is breaking down at this point since I've been sitting here trying to figure out what people are thinking for way too long, it's giving me a headache and I need lunch and my initial feelings are that we're all just town getting jumpy because things feel too easy.

Understandable, have a good lunch.

Who are the obvious scum in the scenario where the game is "too easy"? I don't really see any "obvious" scum other than HPE who I don't think is Kira.

- Dragon

I did not have a good lunch: word of advice, don't make nachos using stale chips. My stomach is not alright.

Hu Tao and Dan as well are my 'game is easy' PoE. HPE seems more likely to be a follower than Kira yeah, but I'm not ruling it out as a "hide in plain sight" attempt.

Do you think Rat is lying here when they act like flipping Gimli after Klick is fine with them?

[Gimli]

have a pretty busy day so I can't be around rn

I read the game before going to bed which served to strenghten my klick and cuddle townreads, especially the latter's scumcase on me is very towny. I did like RR's push on klick on a townposting level, as it came across as genuine.

HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)

[ActionDan]

This is a prod-dodge. last few pages do look content-rich though

On me specifically, I feel like ActionDan wants to express skepticism of me without actually committing to something resembling a vote or a scumread:

Don't you think skepticism might be appropriate when you elect without support to throw my name into the fire? I think it was earned regardless of your other postings at the time (of which the ones I took any note of after the first was the Cuddle defense post town read and T-bone town read both of which I agree with) and I would tend to think you would recognize this. Especially if the purpose of it looks to be reaction testing in which we naturally attempt to walk in the target's shoes.

[Klick]

Yeah sure
I care less about whether it's appropriate and more about whether it's coming from town or scum

[Radical Rat]

Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.

If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.

We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.

That'd be where the potential for confounding evidence comes in. If someone is able to generate guilties outside that PoE, or innos within it, or grant us Klick's flip, and we trust whoever does so, then I would reevaluate. If that doesn't happen, we should hopefully still have two days to figure out where we went wrong.

Can you clarify this? I don't know exactly what you mean here

Some skills can give us similar information to a flip if they're in the game, some skills (and detective) can generate innos or guilties, and the game's continued running in the scenario where none of that happens and all three of my suspects die means that none of them were Kira, but since we have until Day 5 unless the detective dies, we would still have at least two days to figure the rest out.

Ahh ok

And do you think Klick has shown signs of being Kira? Or is just in general scummy?

I thought the push on HPE was weak, and expressed as much, but what stuck out to me was your insistence on it being a red herring, and your supposition that Action Dan was Kira based on basically nothing. I wanted to wait and see how things developed, and then they just got worse.

Your reaction to HPE claiming a shitpost seemed to indicate you thought it WAS signaling Kira, but that doesn't quite align with your red herring claim earlier. I thought perhaps you might have been a Follower either misdirecting to protect Gimli, perhaps assuming HPE was the other partner and being worried someone else would interpret that as a signal, or potentially Dan's Follower, trying to do a reverse psychology, which would explain why you never actually voted Dan.

But then Gimli's suggestion that Kira won't look scummy combined with you being absent from his PoE pool due to "investigative depth" that doesn't exist, with you yourself describing your reads as vibe-based, made all of the pieces Klick into place.

You jumped at HPE because, as Kira, you're looking for these signals, and having seen something that you think looks like a signal but directed towards someone else, you tried to push that narrative. No matter whether it lands on Gimli or Dan, it's not you. Gimli's oddities would put him as a strong Follower candidate, and then Dragon immediately jumping on me as soon as I suggested I thought you were Kira... well I think he's overplayed the hand now.

So I suppose to answer your question, Klick, what I'm looking for... is justice.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)

So like, this one wont deny it just kinda isn't feeling this one, but let me ask you, and especially everyone who was present last game, and who has seen several of my games: Do you think this one is actually going to just roll over and do basically nothing as

scum?

Literally ruminated on this last night and it is completely comical to think that this one would just detach and sit around twiddling its thumbs like this after rolling scum, especially with my currently perfect 3-game 3-win scum record. In its last game as town it was pretty damn active especially earlygame and if you think the opposite situation is in my scumrange: gettu real daze.

[Aureal]

Ooof, I was thinking the same as Gimli about HPE seeming removed from things like it's trying to not get any more attention. But that gripe feels uncomfortably real.

[Klick]

It does feel like a pretty cheap way to try and gain favor as scum, especially if it has a high opinion of its scum game.

[Aureal]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

[Doctor Drew]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Klick

Still haven't liked their interaction with Rat, and Rat does seem pretty towny, so allow me to, ahem......follow them

[Klick]

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach

[Doctor Drew]

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach

Yes I think they are town as well.

But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read

[Aureal]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game

By 'it' you mean HPE; you're saying you don't understand why anyone has a scumread on it? Because I feel like there's been quite a bit of explanation from numerous people.

[Klick]

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach

Yes I think they are town as well.

But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read

What made you townread Rat?

[Doctor Drew]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game

By 'it' you mean HPE; you're saying you don't understand why anyone has a scumread on it? Because I feel like there's been quite a bit of explanation from numerous people.

All started from a shit post

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach

Yes I think they are town as well.

But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read

What made you townread Rat?

Do you like answering questions with another question?

This is the second time I am asking for a detailed reasoning on why YOU think they are town

[Doctor Drew]

If it is their confidence as you put it, fair enough I guess, but you seem to be moving in a weird way.

[Klick]

What made you townread Rat?

Do you like answering questions with another question?

This is the second time I am asking for a detailed reasoning on why YOU think they are town

I've already answered that question? You didn't ask me it again, you just stated more vague suspicion of me regarding it. And so I followed up.

Your turn

[Klick]

'moving in a weird way' is a claim that I've already addressed. It's easy to state blanket suspicion on a style of play that isn't immediately easy to understand.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like the things I've said to RR have gone in one ear and out the other

Ok I will help you out.

How did you go from here...

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

And then two posts later go to here(your posts not total game posts).

[Klick]

So what made you townread Rat?

[CUDDLE TIME]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game

Dragon talked about the scum read on HPE on this post 164. It was HPE approach towards me is what pinged him and Thomith said HPE's play here was reminding him of a completed scum game HPE was in.

- A

[CUDDLE TIME]

VOTE: Klick

Still haven't liked their interaction with Rat, and Rat does seem pretty towny, so allow me to, ahem......follow them

Which part of the interaction of Klick and RR did you not like? I wasn't able to get a read out of that and I'm null on them. Dragon said he is town reading Klick because of meta.

- A