(micro 1101) mystery box of silver 16: tinkleton (it tinkled)

[Gypyx]

tag yourself i'm patchofgrass

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Klick

not liking the vibes

[Gypyx]

it's about post 14 yeah

patchofgrass is maybe +scum but this very much is marignal

[Gypyx]

My Gypyx vote is serious now

suffer for a thousand lifetimes

[Gypyx]

Vote Snow

Mainly because you don't have a profile picture.

Sounds fair. But I look at yours and see ... a predator (scum) ready to hunt a helpless townie. So,

VOTE: Robert

OMGOSH

My Gypyx vote is serious now

suffer for a thousand lifetimes

That feels personal.

Yes i unironically wish for Cakez to suffer physically for daring to think i am anything but town

[Gypyx]

SirCakez

Political Clout

Gypyx
Snow2697
Naerys
Robert2424
Deus Deceptor
Ausuka

this is you townbinning people or what's the idea?

[Gypyx]

great to see Ausuka is being obvtown

i want to see more from Robert also

[Gypyx]

what can i say, your friendly vibes got me convinced you are town

I don't know if this game feels dead or I just need to adjust my expectations. Well that might be kind of my fault anyway if true? I'm not used to having to put in actual legwork in rvs, but the whole 'sitting back' thing obviously doesn't work if everyone does it.

My snow vote was for the "helpless townie" thing. I think scum are somewhat more likely to write that line, probably not out of any conscious strategy but because their mental focus is on Acting Like a Town Would and it leads them to say stuff like that that puts emphasis on themselves being town.

@Deus - I don't mind the gimmick, but could you try to word it so it's a bit more clear what point you are trying to make? I'm struggling to parse your posts.

Klick in a world where gypyx is town do you think scum is unlikely to vote/push them on page 1? or do you think the way cakez and clout did it was specifically towny in some way

this post is also what made me say it, mostly in the "why do i have to do all the effort" and "Deus please make readable posts"

[Gypyx]

can you explain the deus please make readable posts bit

like, this is very focused on understeanding what deus is trying to say, while even if scum could've made this point (less likely imo) they probably would've acted more annoyed about it or something

[Gypyx]

Gypyx still looks like the scummiest player to me, it feels like she's trying too hard to play to some kind of town style rn
Klick and Ausuka feel town

Maybe i'm just town <3

[Gypyx]

Robert Klick scumteam

i have solved the game

[Gypyx]

*Nose grows*

[Gypyx]

AI is dissallowed unless clearly marked and stuff so that would be against site rules

[Gypyx]

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

I have 2 scumreads

these 2 scumreads make sense in a team together

[Gypyx]

Deus Deceptor isn't playing Mafia and I want to eliminate them on that basis

We could go for a slot that's =rand for mafia or we could actually try to find someone who's >rand

[Gypyx]

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

I have 2 scumreads

these 2 scumreads make sense in a team together

A town would usually hesitate and cannot be confident about status of the player. Especially on D1.
Game solved means that there is confidence and no hesitation.
And yes, scumread does not mean scum.

Well what can i say, i'm telling you i'm that confident in my reads

not excluding that i am wrong, but so far i feel like that's a gameview that has very decent odds of being right

[Gypyx]

Deus Deceptor isn't playing Mafia and I want to eliminate them on that basis

We could go for a slot that's =rand for mafia or we could actually try to find someone who's >rand

I think Deus is >rand mafia by virtue of several people being <rand mafia

I also like playing this game and dislike it when people make the game significantly less playable

counterpoint : i like deus and kinda wanna keep them around

i'd also argue some of your townbins are maybe a bit too hasty, and as such i'm not really a fan of PoEing off of that

[Gypyx]

i'll answer that around page 15 snow, i'm not seeing many reasons to doubt myself but i recognize reading people when i have less than 100 posts to read is complicated

[Gypyx]

To provide some more clarity on the state of the 'game', as according to the principles I have provided:

- Ausuka is representing predominantly selfless intrinsic motivations, from a set of predominantly personalised explanations: this has the underlying implications of the intention to pursue cooperation, which is necessary in order to uncover potential vectors of intentional deceit.

- Political Clout is representing awareness of the potential for selfish intrinsic motivations of Klick, and has called them in to question in #55.
- They have also represented awareness of the potential for selfless intrinsic motivations of Ausuka, and suggested that it trends towards being alignment indicative in #50.
- This representation appears to be informed by an understanding that town-sided players should be more motivated to cooperate than mafia-sided players.

- Snow2697 is making a conscious attempt to Neutralise the represented perspectives of the opposing parties he responds to; including me.

- Naerys has provided no content worth commenting on whatsoever, other than nonsense accusations.

Gypyx, Klick and Naerys are, in actuality, the players who are not playing mafia whatsoever. They are simply attempting to engage in a shouting match in the hopes that everyone else will cave to their unreasonable selfishness. In actuality, because this is a 'game' that trends them as being town-sided... Because the sheer lack of self-awareness to genuinely believe that could EVER result in a good game of mafia, would be an act of pure bad faith if they were

actually

members of the mafia.

Where do you say we should be looking for scum then? I'm kinda struggling to see where this is all going

[Gypyx]

I can't belive the deceitful god would forget about me like that

Otherwise hello Psyche, did you get a red role PM?

pedit : darn, he's always one step ahead

[Gypyx]

y'all are really no fun wtf

ok maybe Deus is hard to engage with but i actually like their posting style personally

[Gypyx]

at this point i dont read deceptor´s posts at all, they are complete bs
sorry, but i find you completely unplayable with

That is indeed the point. The frustration you are feeling is the proof that your 'ego' is undergoing a state of change, because of its inherent fragility. Precisely because you are not reading what I am saying, and not trying to understand whether there is verisimilitude contained within the confines of my verbiage, you are falling for my ploy.

You will never escape the causality of your consciousness. Instead, you will soon be possessed by the demons of your nightmares... Because it was always my consciousness to begin with.

don't listen to the haters <3

[Gypyx]

Read strength in order of towniness.

Layla

(If you disagree, then skill issue.)

T3

(Previously Deus. English is my second language so my brain cannot handle some of their posts, but from some of their posts that I could decode, I felt that they're actually trying to solve the game instead of hiding behind RP. I'm aware someone already mentioned it, but I want to mention it again because I'm about to lock this slot as town.)

Psyche

(Previously Klick, and based purely on Klick. Most of Psyche's posts were counciling Deus, which is helpful but unfortunately not alignment-indicative. Klick's posts felt kinda stiff in general, but it is probably a playstyle thing. I liked this post in particular.)

[ B I G ☆ G A P ]

Ausuka

(I think posts are okay in general. But that's all I got on her. Tentative townread, but if I was a cop I'd scan her N1.)

Political Clout

(Not much on 'em, but I do like this post.)

Snow2697

(I'd like to think, at this point, that any attempts to decode Deus' posts are +town. 70 and 82 are consistent but it doesn't really mean much. Overall null, but slightly leaning town.)

SirCakez

(Gives me mixed feelings. His attack on Deus feel like it's like 80% hate-the-long-post. I'll probably get a better grasp on him when he simmers down and come back later.)

Robert2424

(?)

[ Special category because my inner sadist tells me that purposefully not stating a read on her would agonize her ]

Gypyx

Aaaaaaaaah i'm agonizing

[Gypyx]

psyche, deus and snow are probably town

it would be vaguely funny if it was actually cakez and robert

i don't think mafia game tends to be that convenient and also there are a bunch of people i could see being mafia here

pedit: i mean early reads are correct decently often but i still feel strongly it is not particularly wise to declare the game solved at this stage

While i agree with the thought here, we still have to go through the easy solves before we can start thinking about more elaborate stuff right?

[Gypyx]

kinda struggling with this game to be honest

think i'll just try to go for a mental reset too yeah

[Gypyx]

Silly of you both to think that mental reset is going to happen, when you're going to read the same posts that got you like that in the first place.

i think catching the train while it's running is better than me trying to keep up with stuff

[Gypyx]

Planned to catch back up about now but i'm completely out of spoons so i'll just declare that i agree with the general consensus that Layla is extremely towny

[Gypyx]

Let's read this shit

[Gypyx]

banger meme

robert's catchup posts are full of pretty akward questions, i wanna think it comes from scum but also i've been proven wrong before so ugh idk

[Gypyx]

VOTE: gypyx
This feels so sloppy but i'm back here in lieu of other suspects I guess

why does it feel sloppy

[Gypyx]

If we have nothing to go off of, let us start again from the beginning. Back to the RVS we go.

VOTE: Ausuka

Team Mafia winner means too sweaty for this casual game.

I bet you can find better bestie

[Gypyx]

i feel like i should be trying to turn up the temperature somehow

i don't think there's much of anything to work with?? a lot of town players aren't giving reads and stuff so there's a lot of room for scum to hide, and that kind of perpetuates itself because it's hard for town players to get reads.

I will give a reads list in some attempt to rectify this.

Psyche
t3
layla
robert
snow
Clout
Gypyx
Sircakez

The gypyx take is probably the only fresh one? Her confidence just suddenly plummeted in a way I wasn't a massive fan of. Like idk in a vacuum I understand being like 'whatever I'm giving up my reads' and then not feeling super able to generate new ones, but she was so confident in solving the game super early and then that all evaporates after the deus drama? Idk I don't like it and it feels like she saw the game losing energy and just went along with it but went about it awkwardly

I needed some time to refuel my spirit energy but actually this game has me hyped to think about people again

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Sircakez

now hold on i would love this to stay at E-1

[Gypyx]

nope still E-1

[Gypyx]

quickly requesting no hammer

fear me

[Gypyx]

While you’re here:

VOTE: Klick

not liking the vibes

This is kinda stale, isn’t it?
What do you think about Psyche?

Psyche is looking better than Klick but also hasn't really done anything that stands out as actually town

[Gypyx]

i'm at best indifferent about cakez dying and putting him at E-1 is a gamestate i like to be in, at least for info purposes

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

elaborate ?

[Gypyx]

i cant let it end like this i cant

what does that mean?

[Gypyx]

Starting to think you're probably town but also what's done is done

i feel like we have done enough for today, maybe we could've made more but it was also a weird day 1

[Gypyx]

I'm not getting fake guilitied by a watcher claim in ELo a second time

am enclined to disbelive this claim

[Gypyx]

mod you forgot to update how many votes are needed to lim ya nerd

Psyche could you elaborate on why you've decided robert is town? I maybe can understeand thinking his newbiness makes him seem scummy but town is a pretty tough thing to sell

[Gypyx]

oh in retrospect its only a little better than a null read
i liked his soliloquy about voting cakez enough to not want to lim him that day
still wonder if there's anything to anyone's votes on him
i don't think i ever saw anything really articulated

I kinda like how psyche corrects himself in answer to me asking for more, as if he really didn't think about how to present this read (which is a step that scum kinda has to go through)

the reaction to the wagon also looks very much content focus? like, i'm not saying effort = town but i feel like he cares more about the votes being hard to extract content from

[Gypyx]

Psyche we have to tone down our theater a bit i fear they'll be onto something

[Gypyx]

think i need to try to get a read on snow, i really have zero thoughts on that slot

[Gypyx]

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)

PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end

[Gypyx]

think i have enough to reject that pc is paired w either snow or robert, especially robert
would maybe have rejected the gypx relation too if she had voted in that last post
still, probably one of the stronger townreads i have surprisingly

trying to gather interest for reads and stuff, voting could do that but i feel like it would also be needlessly antagonistic

[Gypyx]

btw what makes you reject a robert / PC pairing? that's the conclusion i'm getting at but it's more based on PoE than anything really

[Gypyx]

pc's posts on page 14 read as a sincere attempt to shift momentum toward a robert lim

ummm... no it doesn't really? Like if anything i find it kinda weird he ends up on a robert vote, the agressiveness is pretty offputting

[Gypyx]

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

Is this a hammer?

to give out more than just me declaring my general vibes on snow, i feel like he rarely makes this first post as scum where my solve is on 2 townies (cakez flipped town and i've gotten around to view psyche as one of my stronger townreads)

this last one is also absolutely going to be asked in the scum PT rather than in the main thread in a world where snow is scum imo

[Gypyx]

lazy townies are a scam made by big mafia to sell more mislims

[Gypyx]

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)

PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end

Where exactly is Snow's head at to you

well that's exactly the thing, i think snow himself is kinda confused on where his head's at ? in a town way ofc

[Gypyx]

Starting to think you're probably town but also what's done is done

i feel like we have done enough for today, maybe we could've made more but it was also a weird day 1

Gypyx can you explain where your head is at here

Like why did you think cakez was town at this point and why did you not try and go after Robert instead

Also like potentially nitpicky but would you stand by the idea that we did enough on day 1

The Reaction to being almost dead looked good to me, i could dive back to go into more details if that's what you want

and saying we did enough day 1 was more of a morale thing, like yeah, i could agree, but there's kinda no point and it's better to try to keep everyone's mood up

[Gypyx]

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

as i've said before, scum is probably happy to let me on my wild goose chase

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

I have 2 scumreads

these 2 scumreads make sense in a team together

A town would usually hesitate and cannot be confident about status of the player. Especially on D1.
Game solved means that there is confidence and no hesitation.
And yes, scumread does not mean scum.

Well what can i say, i'm telling you i'm that confident in my reads

not excluding that i am wrong, but so far i feel like that's a gameview that has very decent odds of being right

Ok. If you are so confident, would you agree that if one of your chosen suspects is limmed and turns town, then you should and would be limmed next day?

i'll admit, this one is the most iffy post snow made, but still, there's an attempt to keep people accountable, i kinda like it

Cakez called Ausuka, Psyche and Layla as towns and Gypyx as scum. These four and Robert are ready to lim him.

So, on Cakez' own case he should be limmed. He should have a better excuse than to say that his role requires him not to be limmed for 2 full days.

I can also hammer if needed, but Psyche seems to want more information, so will wait for a while.

This is snow's biggest attempt at generating his own reads and like, i doubt scum!snow feels the need to make this post? Basically it's a bit too convoluted to be a fabrication by scum!snow when there was a lot of steps he could choose to go through before

Well. N2 watcher means that a player should leave for 2 full days and nights to report on D3 be helpful to the town, yes? When there are potentially 3 towns and 2 scums, so an ELo?

kinda mindmelded with that and like, i think scum!snow would be self conscious enough to *not* deliberately choose to copy what i've said previously

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Political Clout

[Gypyx]

Okay! Hope any info prs are aware.

In the meantime, I think the only way we achieve confidence about aureal-town is through poe, or if she goes out of her way to lead a wagon that flips scum of course.

You mean ausuka town?

[Gypyx]

Not like i'm opposed to the idea of taking a proper look at Ausuka (i've been coasting on my vibes for a while) but like, HPE's entrance isn't especially towny?

there's also this weird thing where it expresses a townread on Layla, when this slot is like, dead

[Gypyx]

also ausuka's 491 reminds of my scum strat in that one game you and i played together

I do agree that is similar to your strat but also it's slightly less surprising when this game has been exceptionally slow moving

[Gypyx]

think scum gypx is capable of seeing the value in pushing a snowtown case at this step in the game though yeah it has town equity

I think my scumgame is still as the level where i'm basically stumbling around but maybe i'd be able to do that yeah, if only for seeing the value in pushing a towncase i'd read as realistic

[Gypyx]

Also Gypyx will get her own special creature feature. Going to try so so hard to actually live up to my ISO analysis promises this game.

Hype !

also we have 2 days 12 hours left

[Gypyx]

still think PC-scum is hard to fit in with other possible scumreads
don't really see people weighing that sufficiently, and his play is not sufficiently scummy on its own to justify that

need to think over that but i guess even if it was true it would not make me fully give up on scum PC

[Gypyx]

gypx's snowcase was maybe a forced move after pressure around her initial snow positioning; i won't so strongly townweight it
also, the towncase isn't super compelling on its own. some assertions are a bit too inflexible about how scum choose posts to make
i don't really believe HPE is scum at this point and I don't think PC can be scum with HPE, Gypx,

or

Snow
so my best is on the duo actually being gypx and snow

i'm really not seeing anything stellar from HPE slot so far, what am i missing

[Gypyx]

aw you've crumbled my confidence with just a single oneliner

my mind control powers are unmatched

[Gypyx]

i put in a lot of work to think through whether it can be pc
i also have a good measure of recent meta experience with pc
it's not pc

problem is that there's only 7 players and some people must be scum

[Gypyx]

VOTE: HighPrincess

[Gypyx]

it was me !

To be fair like, i'm not fully convinced in my towncase myself, it's more of a 20% scum read (default would be 40% in our context) but i'd really be happier if we tried PC / HPE

[Gypyx]

Plurality lim anyways so we aren't actually needing to hammer but like, i urge y'all to look at HPE

[Gypyx]

"-if no majority is reached by the deadline, whoever has the most votes is executed. if there are multiple tied wagons, i will choose randomly between them"

[Gypyx]

honestly if Psyche is scum i think the mod should just give them the win for free

[Gypyx]

leaning towards PC / HPE (especially considering how hard it has been to get this pairing over) but i'm not disregarding Drew yet, T3 though i doubt he's scum

[Gypyx]

Not me forgetting T3 was actually flipped

actually i wonder what this nightkill's about

either like, we're in a scum!psyche world and it's kinda the only kill he could get away with

or scum was afraid that the ELo situation would push T3 to think more about the game?

[Gypyx]

i might be able to locktown drew on a reread but rn i'm depressionposting

[Gypyx]

Rawr ! *devil horns grow on my head as the background behind me takes a red shade*

[Gypyx]

my heart tells me to town bin drew so that i have an anchor point for today

my mind says he has done absolutely nothing to warrant it and is probably scum

[Gypyx]

I'm feeling in a quite disconnected mood these days so yeah it's hard, especially regarding this game where i didn't have any big certaineties to start with

like, i'm not saying it's AI but i even forgot T3 died, i hope it's hard following coherent stuff

[Gypyx]

no it's not

i'm just kinda bad at this game and all

[Gypyx]

hey um can you not

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Political Clout

i'm not winning a 1v1 again scum!psyche but i can kill his scumbuddy

[Gypyx]

if you're not well the game is ending sooner or later

the way you've been playing recently seemed like a deliberate attempt to angle the game towards me too, that's mostly what's been fueling my recent reconsideration

[Gypyx]

Robert Klick scumteam

i have solved the game

gonna be really pissed if i was right page 3

[Gypyx]

oops robert is HPE actually

[Gypyx]

nonetheless psyche i don't understeand you wanting to cut conversations immediatly like that

[Gypyx]

if you're not well the game is ending sooner or later

am not really seeing the logic here. if you convinced me that you are town or that two other players were scum, i'd probably move my vote if i were town, right?

the way you've been playing recently seemed like a deliberate attempt to angle the game towards me too

and why is it unlikely that my reason for doing this isn't that i am town and think you're scum?

Because i don't belive it's actual reasoning and more of you trying to mimick it's motions and looks

skinwalkering if you will indulge in me coining new terms

[Gypyx]

and i don't really care about making a case

[Gypyx]

just saying that it's there for the eye to see

[Gypyx]

if you are town the game is lost

so, eh, whatever

[Gypyx]

wonder while scumbuddy is currently screaming at the other to get online so that they can hammer

[Gypyx]

which*

[Gypyx]

can you at least unvote so that we can finish massclaiming psyche

[Gypyx]

we only have 1 VT claim right now

[Gypyx]

You're the one acting like a stone right now

like, please, i'm very much NOT doing the best irl, and you're asking me to make a case with footnotes citations and all that shit

i'll just join the other 3 players and go afk while waiting for the game to end, and fuck you too

[Gypyx]

i just can't see any towmindset for what you're doing right now

[Gypyx]

I'm feeling in a quite disconnected mood these days so yeah it's hard, especially regarding this game where i didn't have any big certaineties to start with

like, i'm not saying it's AI but i even forgot T3 died, i hope it's hard following coherent stuff

also this is part of why the behavior in 702 is suspicious
lazy disconnected gypyx doesn't flip the table and start her reads over from scratch after her towncased slot(s) flip how she said they would.
she presses on w a dash of meh
she doesn't commit to more thinking, more worrying about a game she's not invested in

Well i honestly didn't get what your point was

like

"Disconnected Gypyx doesn't try to do stuff that sticks out a bit to her lol, she presses on doing the same stupid shit that she doesn't wanna do"

[Gypyx]

well this is what i'm reading in your post so clearly there's some massive disconnect here

[Gypyx]

i'm honestly too exhausted to do all that backreading and trying to recall my thoughts and stuff

[Gypyx]

rn though like, it's not actively a scum slot but i very much feel like it hasn't done anything meaninfgully town and that's an area where scum often is?

[Gypyx]

well this is what i'm reading in your post so clearly there's some massive disconnect here

could try taking out the words you inserted and just read the ones that are there

the post says it's more likely that someone who

a) feels disconnected from the game, and
b) observes flips consistent with their pre-existing reads

will anchor to and press on with those pre-existing reads
instead of abruptly abandoning them

I have no attachement to any worldview, i'm just fully living in the present and trying to see something that catches my interest (that something being my conversation with you right now)

[Gypyx]

i'm honestly too exhausted to do all that backreading and trying to recall my thoughts and stuff

that's fine. later then.

Well if we're both town there won't be a later

[Gypyx]

(btw this is my moment to point out how absolutely no one else has said anything since your vote, woah, crazy, weird)

[Gypyx]

plsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplspls unvote

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Psyche

[Gypyx]

let's wait for what everyone else has to say about that i guess

if you're town i'll expect a formal apology on my desk by 24hours after game ends

[Gypyx]

I mean like

you could be town but we're on a timer and i'm not getting through to you

so i'll just work from the PoV that you're scum

[Gypyx]

this is probably my last post this game, unless i see anything that's making me want to say more

[Gypyx]

you're acting as if you know that in the event that you're wrong the game isn't ending in like 2 days tops

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

thank you mod

[Gypyx]

all these replacements are making the game really hard to keep track of i'll admit

[Gypyx]

i'm cool with that but let's just add massclaim on top of it please

PC was supposed to be next but fuck that i'll continue, VT

[Gypyx]

PC replacement waiting room

[Gypyx]

I've been explicitely wanting a PC claim for all this time

and i'm starting to really think the team is Psyche / PC

hence why psyche is pushing so much on us being unable to be paired together, so that even if the wagon goes away from me he can pivot it away from his scumbuddy

[Gypyx]

alright i'm lying about scumreading you yes

[Gypyx]

also TIL scum's win condition is to not think about the came

[Gypyx]

i'm flattered but also i hope you realize i've basically got nothing to latch on this game

i'm an emotion driven player, the only emotion i'm getting is apathy and confusion

[Gypyx]

I was gonna say the fact that you have so much energy for this game is weird but then again you're the one who came at the end of the great purge

[Gypyx]

seeing ducky replace in
realizing ducky is scum D:

[Gypyx]

honestly i'm just hoping y'all solve this for me

[Gypyx]

Drew, Gypyx and HPE what actually are your team solves? I can help y'all if you want a creative thinking exercise or something

pedit: actually you're kinda right

HPE + idk

[Gypyx]

oh we lost

[Gypyx]

was the setup really N2 Watcher and that's it?

[Gypyx]

Yeah

idk i just didn't get a feel for that game

sorry schadd that was a really neat looking setup, ty for modding through the hardship

[Gypyx]

just realized the "Mafia may not give their teamates vengeful" rule was like, useless? lol

[Gypyx]

that's because it was not that, i am smart

[Gypyx]

ha i guess i was like "well obviously wolves would want to just give it to their partners" and didnt really think about it but i guess that's still true because bulletproof is theoretically useful if you don't know whether there's a vig or whatever

ironically it's more of a nerf to scum in the sense that if there's a deepwolf that manages to get successfully haunted they wouldn't get rewarded

[Gypyx]

(by town)