[OLD] Open Setup Discussion and Nominations

Simenon · Post Post #246 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:36 am

IH wrote:I've been playing some IRC mafia, and one fun setup is SS3.

3 player mafia.
1 Mafioso(goon)
1 Townie
1 Super Saint(Vengeful townie. Hammah voter is killed.)

I really want to play this.

Also:
Faction mafia
2 Fanatics (win when both townies are dead). They don't know their partner
2 Townies (win when both fanatics are dead). They don't know their partner.
1 Merchant (wins when one townie and one fanatic are dead).
1 Reaper (wins when the merchant, a townie, and a faction are dead. However, he has a nightkill.)

I know this was done on wifom, but I don't know if it has been suggested here.

Axis v. Allies Mafia

America (Ally): Wins if two of Germany, Japan, and Russia fall.

Britain (Ally): Wins either if Germany and Japan fall, or if France and Germany fall and Italy survives.

France (Ally): Wins if Germany and Italy fall.

Germany (Axis): Wins if two of Britain, France, and Russia fall.

Italy (Axis): Wins either if America and Britain fall, or if Britain and Germany fall and America survives.

Japan (Axis): Wins if America and Russia fall.

Russia (Pseudo-Ally): Wins as long as Russia remains

The game is played in a "Day-Night" format, starting in Day. Each Day, the nations vote on which nation should fall. Each Night, the Axis powers each place a vote on which nation should fall, and if a nation received two votes, that nation falls. A fallen nation can still win if its win conditions are met (Russia obviously cannot win this way). The game ends when only one surviving nation has its win conditions not met. No nation knows the identity of any of the other nations.

Faction 12 Mafia:

3 Fanatics(Win if all Townspeople are dead and have a greater number of people living then the Mafia)
3 Townspeople(Same as above, except they want all Fanatics dead)
3 Mafia(Same old vanilla scumgroup, wins when everybody else is dead)
1 Cop(Wins when all Mafia are dead)
1 Merchant(Neutral Survivor who can only win with the Fanatics or Townspeople. Can also only win when 1x Townsperson, 1x Fanatic and the Cop are dead)
1 Anarchist(Roleswitcher, cannot change roles with the Mafia)

Simenon · Post Post #250 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:54 pm

Everything on wifom is bad.

Simenon · Post Post #272 (isolation #2) » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:23 am

I'm nominating ss3.

Simenon · Post Post #296 (isolation #3) » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:51 pm

Norinel wrote:Just to be perverse:

Cult C9:

7 Townies
1 Cult Recruiter

Day start, the cult recruits one townie as long as the recruiter's alive every other night starting with Night 1. (The night after the first lynch) Cult wins if they obtain
a majority
50% of the living players; if this occurs immediately after they recruit someone, the recruit loses with the town. (So the mod calls the game for the cult before the night begins)

The numbers for this are actually pretty cute if the town never no-lynches; they get two free mislynches rather than C9's one (But that's the Day 1 where they could hit the recruiter to win it all), and cult can't force an instant win by forcing a lynch of a cultist rather than the recruiter.

Thirded

Simenon · Post Post #305 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:08 pm

Because everybody else is doing it:

Simenon c9

4 townies
One doctor or cop
One cop or townie
One mafia recruiter who can recruit a player into the mafia at the start of the game.

Or:

4 Townies
One doctor
One cop
One mafia recruiter
In the second setup, if the mafia recruiter hits a townie, the townie becomes a roleblocker.

If the mafia recruiter hits a

Simenon · Post Post #347 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:25 pm

How about this:

Democracy Mafia

2 Scum
10 Townies
At the beginning of each day, a majority vote will elect a mayor. A mayor can, once a day, can pardon a player. No more votes can be put on that player.

Simenon · Post Post #376 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:35 pm

Random Dethy

1 mafioso
2 Random cops (get a random inspection)
2 Sane cops

Cop head start.

I have no idea how balanced this would be.

Simenon · Post Post #380 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:36 am

I'm thinking of ways to balance Fiasco's color mafia. The scum can manipulate it pretty badly.

Perhaps a setup of six colors with two individuals, and the majority of colors = lynch might be better, but I doubt it would change much.

Another idea is to make everybody switch colors at night, so that Player X in red could be Player X in blue. That could hurt the scum strategy a bit.

Another option is to add a "color coordinator", that could chose a color the scum couldn't kill.

Simenon · Post Post #388 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:04 am

Seven Player Lyncher

:
1 Mafioso
1 Lyncher
1 Jester
4 Townies

I think the Jester adds a lot of complexity to the setup.

Another setup from the IRC library:

Texas10

2 Mafioso
5 One-Shot Vigs
2 50% One-Shot Vigs
1 0% One-Shot Vig

Not sure if that's been played here before, though.

Dethy11

2 Mafia Frame Artist
1 Mafia Godfather
2 Sane Cops
2 Paranoid Cops
2 Naive Cops
2 Insane Cops

Intersting dethy variant, in my opinion.

Vigilante Mafia

2 Goons
1 Mafia Rber
1 Vigilante
7 Townies

Blocker Mafia

3 Mafia
1 Rber
8 Townies

I'm not sure of the validity of those last two setups.

Simenon · Post Post #400 (isolation #9) » Sun May 06, 2007 12:16 am

Primate wrote:
nominate a 9 town/3 scum night start texas justice game

Seconded.

Simenon · Post Post #412 (isolation #10) » Wed May 16, 2007 1:54 pm

Patrick wrote: Nominate: Roleblocker c9 (4 townies, 1 roleblocker, 2 mafia). Day start, mafia has to choose which member will perform the kill.

Seconded.

Simenon · Post Post #416 (isolation #11) » Fri May 25, 2007 11:45 am

Nominate Super-Saint Twelve mafia

:
Five Townies
Four Super-Saints (If they are lynched, the last person on the wagon will die)
Three mafia
Day start

Simenon · Post Post #420 (isolation #12) » Sun May 27, 2007 4:44 am

Lawrencelot wrote:
Nominate JesterMafia

8 townies
2 mafia
2 jesters
Day start

Having jesters in a game is much more fun in an open setup. Players who are jester might pretend to be scum, and vice versa. It is even more challenging for the townies, because they can't just lynch anyone who acts scummy. As a variation, the game could be nightless (with less townies then), or the jesters could know each other, as long as it is known by everyone on beforehand. In this nomination the game is not nightless and only the mafia know each other.

I'd include some sort of way to get rid of the jester/have the jester change win conditions. Being suspected as a jester sucks. It's like playing without a win condition.

Also, I'd only consider the setup with one jester.

Simenon · Post Post #482 (isolation #13) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:42 am

It counts towards the mafia and sk's win conditions for the targets to be lynched.

Simenon · Post Post #484 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:53 am

How do you figure?

Simenon · Post Post #521 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:24 am

Nominate Vigilante Mafia 2

3 Goons
1 Vigilante
8 Townies
Day start

Simenon · Post Post #527 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:43 am

nominate Doctor Mafia

3 Mafia
6 Doctors
3 Quacks (if the quacks target a player, they kill them instead of protecting them. A player will not know if they are a quack or not, and their quackery is not revealed upon death).

Simenon · Post Post #536 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:39 am

Nominate Toddler c9

a. 1 Mafia Blocker, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies
b. 1 Mafia, 6 Townies
c. 1 Mafia, 1 Mafia Blocker, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 3 Townies
d. 2 Mafia, 1 Cop, 4 Townies

Simenon · Post Post #549 (isolation #18) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:58 am

Nominate Simenon c9

1 mafia recruiter who can recruit one player once at the beginning of the game.
1 cop
1 doctor
4 townies.

Simenon · Post Post #557 (isolation #19) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:04 pm

Nominate Simenon c9 2

1 mafia recruiter who can recruit one player once at the beginning of the game.
1 cop
1 doctor
4 townies.

If the mafia recruiter recruits a townie, the townie becomes a mafia rber.

This was necessary in order to avoid breaking the setup with odds (there is a 2/3 chance of it being the original newbie setup).

Simenon · Post Post #560 (isolation #20) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:07 pm

That sounds too complex for open setup games.

Bah, there goes Simc9. One of my great ideas.

Simenon · Post Post #571 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:07 am

The vig is kind of useless in that setup.

Simenon · Post Post #573 (isolation #22) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:22 am

When does the vig want to shoot in that setup, other than the scenario you described?

Cop c9 also has an uncounterclaimable innocent.

Any time the vig is a confirmed innocent, he's going to get a bullet in the head regardless.

Simenon · Post Post #578 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:49 pm

I still think vigilante mafia is the way to go.

Simenon · Post Post #581 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:45 am

now a ranger wrote:
Vigilante Nightless C9

2 Mafia
1 Day Vigilante
4 Townies

Nightless is hard enough for the scums, having no nightkill, but also having to be vigged by a confirmed innocent? Much too easy for the town, me thinks.

Simenon · Post Post #595 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:42 pm

IH wrote:Is this too different to be considered open?

Converter mafia

1 secret Judas (Townie, if lynched, Revives and turns into a goon)
1 secret Saulus (Goon, if lynched revives and turns into a townie)
1 cop
1 Jailkeeper
4 townies
1 goon
1 roleblocker

I think this needs to be polished before we nominate it.

Simenon · Post Post #603 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:16 am

Nominate Too Much Scum C9

2 Mafia that cannot nightkill
1 Serial killer
1 Serial Killer cop (cop that can only inspect the serial killer)
3 Townies

After testing in scumchat/irc, eight players might be better. I think it's a good setup, though.

I like this. A lot. How about making the quack not kill their target if their target is mafia? (This variant of the quack was used by mith at MeMeMeet, with different numbers.) Also, nightstart/daystart?

I agree that the quacks probably make it tough for the mafia if they can kill.
Night start I think is best. I think SL put it best when he called it a "dethy mutation".

Simenon · Post Post #654 (isolation #27) » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:01 pm

I am nominating a nightless setup

5 Townies
2 Italian mafia
2 Irish mafia
nightless, obv.

Simenon · Post Post #668 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:16 am

Second Double Day

Simenon · Post Post #705 (isolation #29) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:29 pm

The OS vig is way too clunky.

Simenon · Post Post #774 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:21 pm

Aimee, OMGWOW is bad for open setup games.

Simenon · Post Post #777 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:02 am

JDodge wrote:
Spy/Traitor/Whatever it's called Mafia

2 mafia
1 traitor/spy/whatever, knows who the mafia is but the mafia does not know whom the traitor is
9 townies

Does it need powerroles?

2 mafia 10 townies is generally regarded as the balanced vanilla setup. Adding a traitor can only help the mafia.

Simenon · Post Post #799 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:28 am

Nominate: any simple and balanced large open setup

Simenon · Post Post #804 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:48 am

Nominate Basic 16

4 mafia goons
1 cop
1 doctor
10 townies

Night start.

Simenon · Post Post #813 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:14 am

What's to stop the "Cop claims D1 and we no-lynch until the Doc is found strategy"? (Please don't say C9. )

It was a spin-off of Basic 12 Mafia, which was the same setup with 12 players. We've run that a couple times I think.

And I agree, I love LML + PJ's new c9 setup and I believe we should run it (with permission) once they're done.

Simenon · Post Post #822 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:52 am

Second Picking Simplicity

Simenon · Post Post #841 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:52 am

What's to stop the doctors from protecting eachother?

Simenon · Post Post #1079 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:34 am

Nominate c9++

(this is not c9+2, in case you were wondering)

edit: link

Simenon · Post Post #1097 (isolation #38) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:08 pm

Nominate ss3

And again.

Simenon · Post Post #1099 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:43 pm

Yes.

edit: however, it is fairly complex and unlikely to end quickly unless one of the players is an ass.

Simenon · Post Post #1124 (isolation #40) » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:50 pm

Nominate Sl's four mafia mafia

Simenon · Post Post #1133 (isolation #41) » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:08 am

Nominate Baby Too Much Scum

1 Serial Killer
2 Mafia without a kill
1 Serial killer cop (protown)
4 Townies

Day start.

This setup was run as Simenon's Too Much Scum in Little Italy, where I think it was successful.

Simenon · Post Post #1183 (isolation #42) » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:55 am

Nominate 3:3:6 Nightless

Simenon · Post Post #1329 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:36 pm

Simenon wrote:
Nominate Vigilante Mafia 2

3 Goons
1 Vigilante
8 Townies
Day start

.

Simenon · Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:29 pm

Why don't we make a seperate thread for these setups that probably won't be nominated anyway?

Simenon · Post Post #1430 (isolation #45) » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:28 pm

Nominate Random C9

A random choice from randomized list of all of the good c9s nominated here. Has to actually exist and has to be balanced.

Simenon · Post Post #1474 (isolation #46) » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:28 am

BAM'S TRUST NO ONE
1 GF + 1 Goon
1 Cop
2 millers
2 townies

The cop is useless for night one. If one of the mafia is lynched, the cop will only get a 2/5 chance of confirming a townie. Compare with cop c9.

Simenon · Post Post #1486 (isolation #47) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:41 pm

Reverse Kingmaker
5 Assasins
8 Townies
1 Kingmaker
1 King; However, the support of eight players must be reached to execute a player
1 Cop
1 Doc
1 Town Hero

I like this a lot, but it shouldn't be in the open queue.

Simenon · Post Post #1503 (isolation #48) » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:35 pm

Swingy.

Simenon · Post Post #1541 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:51 pm

Considering we haven't even modded a kingmaker as an open, why does this stand a chance of appearing in the queue?

Simenon · Post Post #1583 (isolation #50) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:30 pm

Thok wrote:Large vanilla with a dash of Koolaid
15 townies
4 scum
1 Odd night killing, unnightkillable SK
(Start with night 1)

Seconded

Simenon · Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:57 am

I've modded a forum game of that same setup xyl. It was abysmal.

Simenon · Post Post #1771 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:48 am

third AITP

I also think we should have some kind of simple speed game in the queue.

Simenon · Post Post #1957 (isolation #53) » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:04 am

Red Rover

4 Mafia
1 NK-immune Serial Killer
1 Vigilante
11 Townies

Day Start

Simenon · Post Post #1991 (isolation #54) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:08 pm

I agree. Let's appoint a quarantine committee to remove all those IRC ideas that break conventions and bring horrible side-effects like "new ideas" to the site.

I nominate Glork and Thok to serve on it.

Simenon · Post Post #1994 (isolation #55) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:11 pm

JDodge wrote:
Simenon wrote:I agree. Let's appoint a quarantine committee to remove all those IRC ideas that break conventions and bring horrible side-effects like "new ideas" to the site.

I nominate Glork and Thok to serve on it.
we should call it the Committee On the Conventionality of Kill-immunities and Stuff.

All that's left is approval from mith and C.O.C.K.S. will be back on the road.

Simenon · Post Post #1996 (isolation #56) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:14 pm

JDodge wrote:
Simenon wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Simenon wrote:I agree. Let's appoint a quarantine committee to remove all those IRC ideas that break conventions and bring horrible side-effects like "new ideas" to the site.

I nominate Glork and Thok to serve on it.
we should call it the Committee On the Conventionality of Kill-immunities and Stuff.
All that's left is approval from mith and C.O.C.K.S. will be back on the road.
It will be good when the C.O.C.K.S. can solve our disputes over what is acceptable and conventional.

I think the loftier purpose of C.O.C.K.S will be to determine how you can stop the spread of unconventional diseases.

Simenon · Post Post #2004 (isolation #57) » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:25 am

I think that setup should be posted in here, flay, since it is as far from qualifying as "normal" as possible.

Simenon · Post Post #2269 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:12 am

xyzzy wrote:
114identity

2 SKs
4 town

The SKs know who each other are. The town wins if only SKs remain. Nightless.

I modded this game on scumchat a year or so ago. It was fairly easily won by the town.

Simenon · Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:18 am

Simenon wrote:
Nominate Random C9

A random choice from randomized list of all of the good c9s nominated here. Has to actually exist and has to be balanced.

Again.

Simenon · Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:33 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6582

Simenon · Post Post #2585 (isolation #61) » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:15 am

Loser Mafia is a work in progress. I'm not sure whether that argues for more testing or more discussion.

Simenon · Post Post #2610 (isolation #62) » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:18 am

Mods of Loser Mafia: Beware.

Simenon · Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:16 pm

Wall-E wrote:
Simenon wrote:Mods of Loser Mafia: Beware.
Why?

People will do anything to lose.

Simenon · Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:42 am

I'm not suggesting it should not be run, It is an interesting game and can be achieved.

But it requires an understanding. I had already modded 5 games before I took on Loser Mafia, and it still was a challenge for me.

Simenon · Post Post #2697 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:57 pm

Third Carbon-14

Good work Adel.
~~

Cinders

1 Mafia Godfather
2 Mafia Goons
1 Vigilante
1 Doctor
1 Bodyguard
5 Nexus (any ability that targets a nexus will target a random player instead)

Simenon · Post Post #2851 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:48 pm

Simenon wrote:
Red Rover

4 Mafia
1 NK-immune Serial Killer
1 Vigilante
11 Townies

Day Start

Simenon · Post Post #2888 (isolation #67) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:51 pm

Santa Claus is Coming to Town

3 Mafia Goons
1 Mafia Godfather
1 Serial Killer "Santa Claus", who at the beginning of the game gets to choose 2 of three town roles: Cop, Vig, Roleblocker. He will also be able to choose between getting investigative immunity or NK immunity.
2 of the roles above
9 Townies

It sounds complicated, but it's basically Pick Your Poison with someone else picking.

Simenon · Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:21 pm

Frenchy (finds mimes)

Makes it impossible for the mimes to win without counter-claiming.

Simenon · Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:58 pm

Don't Buy Hookers in Thailand

3 Mafia A Goons
3 Mafia B Goons
1 Serial Killer
8 Role Blockers

If a scum player is blocked by more than one roleblocker a night and was killing someone, the scum player instantly dies. All roleblocks on other roleblockers will fail.

Simenon · Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:43 pm

Predestination Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
2 Ordered JOATs
7 Townies

Every night Ordered JOATs choose one player to investigate, one player to kill, one player to protect, and one player to roleblock. At the beginning of the game, the moderator randomly sets a list for the JOAT's night action (night one investigate night two kill etc.). On any given night, only the action on the list will go through; the rest will be blocked.