Mini 932: Let's all be friends (Over)

[Budja]

...confirming

[Budja]

I hope they are just slow.
I am experiencing mafia withdrawal .

[Budja]

I am not amused either .

vote: SpyreX

[Budja]

I came into this game planning on RVSing you and you beat me to it. Shame on you.
This is obv. vendetta.

[Budja]

let's try and lynch him before he can post again. it'd be rather funny. (+ he's scum)

Foiled.

If you found something you thought was actually WORTH noting as a scum manuever, why would you leave your vote on a random?

scum tell #1.

unvote, vote Sidekick

Riddick just seems to be following SpyreX's HYPER CERTAIN style.

[Budja]

Bring a case when your ready SpyreX .

[Budja]

Feh, it was a good starting wagon (which was not me ).
Parroting/following is fine by me at this stage.

[Budja]

@Fongoid, if you had a reasonable reason behind your vote, it would be worse .

@Fon, why did you question ice on how good bandwagon's are then join one for that reason?
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^ I didn't read Side's misspell as "scum" either.

Calling out band-wagoning (or bringing note to it anyway) without a vote/opinion is still bad. The post felt IMO like you found Riddick scummy but didn't push it.

Now I'm torn as to whether sidekick's response's are real or stolen from Hoopla. Fun.

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[Budja]

@Fongoid, what do

you

consider the most effective method then?

Wing's is right. I did answer your question. To be more clear, I feel some pressure but not much because I see no discernible reason behind the wagon.

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Preview edit:

I'm curious as to what you hope to achieve by this question. Do you think it'll reveal anything about his alignment?

Good point. I'd like an answer to this too.

[Budja]

cruelty seems to have a bit of insight even if little on content.

Sean's post gives me all those itchy vibes.

The indecisiveness bothers me on Sean's post. It would be really great if you looked a bit harder. Take a stance.

Thats all for me today .

[Budja]

An .. odd move.
So crazy I believe you anyway .

[Budja]

Riddick wagon = bad wagon.

I like Sotty's post.
Also:

Riddick was clearly kidding.

Also, vote: Budja.

Good wagon =

unvote, vote Ice

, (L-2 BTW)

[Budja]

It does make it harder to get reads .

[Budja]

Posting to say I'll be posting soon. (seriously ).

[Budja]

@Fon, cos he's town . Riddick is scum-hunting and explaining himself well IMO. I haven't seen scummy.

^Good posting by Sotty. Sean gives me newby vibes rather than scummy vibes anyway.

Ice's switch was pretty blatent to me. Also it really was reaching for a case based on (what really is at this stage) an issue that has been sorted out.

[Budja]

^ Fon's posting looked pretty sincere to me.

Uh, ice is still > DS. It would be nice if they came in and said something.
That is all.

[Budja]

Not impressed either.

Prod Ice.

I guess I could settle on a DS lynch if Ice doesn't get support.

[Budja]

Sorry for the lurking. Assignments are hitting hard.

Ice is scummy. He hasn't stood out much but I am not willing to ignore him just because of his non-existence. A good lynch.
Sean is considered scummy for his change in view re. Ice (+general play). Obv. newbie. Not sure whether scum or town. Still a decent lynch.

I've forgot most of what I thought of the rest of the players .

[Budja]

@Wings, stood out in terms on post count. I meant that we on the wagon don't have a lot to go on. It would have been really nice if ice had posted.

don's entry wasn't bad.
Interested on the cruelty/Sean link. Makes Sean more lynchable.

I'll wait on DS's claim now.

[Budja]

@Sotty, hmm, I think I already given my, albeit weak, view.
don makes me feel better. (there was actually meant to be an unvote above so

unvote

)
He tunnels a little but that's don. I find his exchange with cruelty amusing .

Cruelty is interesting. I like your link with Sean. His exchange with don didn't dredge much up. I'd be more interested if Sean is scum.

Right now, I'd like to lynch Sean and be done with it. He's newbie but has a large wagon, hasn't impressed me and seems like his lynch gives a good amount of info. Still torn on his actual "scummyness factor", but is the best option I see.

Basically, killing off one of the big wagons is best unless something super scummy comes up. I'd prefer to keep don around. I just want some deaths so we can get out of this rut.

... that Budja is a scarily good persuader.

Only sometimes when I'm scum .

[Budja]

"Flavour cop" of sorts by wiki. Confirmation would be nice.
I believe the claim. Fakeclaims are usually less obscure.

[Budja]

Ah Spyrex, I don't remember you being interested in Sidekick for sometime. What gives?

[Budja]

^ I must say that while I disagree with cruelty, he does sound fairly sincere ATM.

I'd be happiest with Snow White or Sidekick.
Not keen on Snow's WIFOM on Sidekick in her last post. Didn't mind the rest of her posting though.

Those two show the least "townie-ness" anyway.

vote: Sidekick

, I can't remeber anything good out of him for a long while.

(no cases here, I'll see if I can get a reread in ASAP )

[Budja]

@Snow, We need a lynch now so I am not that fussy. That statement, wishy-washyness on a players scumminess and your sheepish behaviour put you on my willing to lynch-list.

I did a quick ISO of Sidekick and he exhibits worse wishy-washyness than your statement. I like cruelty point in his post294.

That said Gunsmith seems like a decent claim to me, however I'd also like to point out he dodged claiming for a day. Perhaps to take the time to look up an obscure believiable claim?

Eh, this is unprovable speculation. Not really sure why you'd say this other than to subtly try to discredit DS. Motivation for that would at first glance appear to be scum trying to tip a slowing mislynch wagon over the edge.

So yeah, Sidekick > Snow > anyone else.

[Budja]

@mod, could you fix up my quote tags please.

[Budja]

Thanks Julien.

[Budja]

^ generic agree with result claim.

[Budja]

Go away Spyrex .

Haven't got much time today. I'll have to read tomorrow.
Still waiting on DS.

[Budja]

Yeah I believe this claim as well.
And yes, my activity since thread opening has been rubbish but I have had quite limited net time.
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Now this may be stupid, but with two docs alive, and as a possible lynch target I will claim now.
I am a motion detector (I detect night actions not targets). I think it is v. unlikely that we have more PRs so I feel save in saying that TeWuicah performed no action last night.

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I believe all past claims BTW. I have a lot of trouble believe the docs to be performing a gambit and gunsmith is also an odd role.

[Budja]

That's safe not save. Pardon my dyslexia .

[Budja]

I don't plan to stay useless. I have more time to play now.
I feel it likely I am the last PR and claiming reduces the pool and saves me from doing some hole-digging which I am uncannily skilled in doing at times like this.

Anyway, I think a mass-claim would be fine. I doubt there is any more power anyway.

[Budja]

^ Like Spyrex's post there BTW.

[Budja]

I meant post 394. Simulpost .

[Budja]

Also with a mass claim I become more powerful and DS and me are virtually both cops. So yeah, I like it.

[Budja]

This looks interesting...
Saving my views until this is all finished.

@Julien, could we get a prod or some acknowledgement that Wings is still here.

[Budja]

Glad its not just me .
Your turn Sotty.

(I was beginning to think it odd that cruelty did his big hoopla attacking post then said no more. I think this makes me feel a bit better (although confused) on that front)

[Budja]

I like your analysis. I strongly agree with Assumption 1. I agree with A2. The other maybe/maybe not.

Hoopla's plan is good. I think SpyreX should keep his decision to himself.

I believe that at most 1 PR could be lying (Hoopla if anyone ) making at least two of these players scum:
WingsOWisdom
cruelty
Sotty
don_johnson
Cuetlachtli

Cue is

not

cleared as mafia. He is cleared as Mafia PR or SK.
Don is prob not mafia.
Sotty is prob not SK.

(If I believe both Hoopla and DS, I doubt a godfather exists.)

Wings/cruelty are not cleared by anyone and are my fav. picks. Wings only ever really commented on the early ice/DS debate. cruelty seems more likely to be town.

vote: Wings.

[Budja]

@cruelty, Iffy, as Hoopla herself said, not claiming a PR could be v. bad for scum.
Still the plan looks good so I'm not worried for now.
Hoopla not-town -> Hoopla SK.

@Sotty, no read. No-one was interested in him. A good candidate for performing the scum kill if scum. (Until the whole replacement thing, but that came later).

[Budja]

Really a "will-post-later post" here I'm afraid.

I'd still prefer a Wings lynch, cruelty still gives a weird town feel (sincerity and all that).
Best alternative I suppose.

[Budja]

Well, Cue is town.

The threat of a bus-driver or similar role is there, so that is the player we hope to take out today.

SK's are usually compulsive, so we ought to know if an SK exists or not soon. If so, Hoopla is prob town.

@Spy, "weak tracker", but note this:
[quote=JVW]note that I randomize night actions if a player flakes at night[/quote]
So, Cue is very,very likely vanilla even if scum.

Cruelty is still playing, Wings has only commented on the town ice/DS wagons. I really think Wings is a much better choice here (repeating myself, I know).

Perhaps:
go with the plan if we kill busdriver/simular threat role
else we act as we please.

[Budja]

^ Those not voting wings/cruelty should take note of Hoopla's point 1-5.

(Although I'm on the other side on the cruelty/wings wagon)

Uh, thats all, I'm really just waiting for our inactives to chip in and vote.

[Budja]

We don't HAVE to lynch one of them, we SHOULD lynch one of them.
Process of elimination is a powerful tool and I believe we should use our reads in conjunction with it.

[Budja]

We (or at least I) am no implying one of Wings, cruelty must be scum. Wings/cruelty have the highest probability of being scum PR. We want to take out any scum PR which can interfere with town PR's.

[Budja]

Well, we know Cue to be powerless, Sotty and don to not be SK/scum respectively.
(unless we have a scum busdriver or similar, PR is scum, etc)

So you and Wings are the most likely scum and the most likely scum PR's by elimination.

[Budja]

@DS, I've already answer this but, I'm a "weak tracker", detect action not target. Looked at Cue and I have no clue on his slot/ thought him a good candidate for performing kill if mafia (before all the replacement stuff anyway).

The lynch is pretty obv. cruelty now, so I'll finish it.

unvote, vote cruelty

I'll be looking at one of our vanillas.

[Budja]

I targeted Sotty.
No movement.

I would guess that Hoopla is only scum given a two-player scumteam. (given balance). So I'm not interested in lynching her today.
For the same balance reasons, I think DS is v. v. likely town.
With the SK down, don is v. likely town.
Snow is cleared as it gets.

ATM I'm most happy with lynching Wings with Sotty #2.
Cuetlachtli and Hoopla are the other poss. scum by elimination.

Also waiting on DS's result.

[Budja]

Thats what you get if you skim.
Ok, not interest in a Sotty lynch either.

(busdriver, other PR are possible but I'd guess that DS's result would be affected and not mine, bing the greater threat)

1. How does the Night Kill work? Do the mafia pick 1 person out of the 2/3 to commit the crime?

Yes, in all games I have played anyway.

How can 2 scum: 1 serial killer: 9 town (5 power role) setup be balanced? What about a 3 scum: 1 serial killer: 8 town (5 power role)? What roles do the scum need to have for these two setups to be balanced?

Assuming all PR's town, 2 scum is not balanced.
Thats why I believe 2 scum => Hoopla scum (PR scum anyway).

WingsOWisdom, Cuetlachtli are the un-investigated, non-PR's. There is a possibility that DS was redirected so Sotty is less cleared than Don.

I still see Cue's questioning as town and I still prefer a Wings lynch.

vote: Wings

followed by Cue, Hoopla.

I want DS to investigate one of me/Hoopla tonight (choice a secret) protected by Snow. The most hurt that could happen is if a PR is scum.

[Budja]

Pardon the spelling errors .

[Budja]

I don't want to lynch an investigated player.
Cue's aggressive stances as well as his constant questioning make him look town.
The remaining player Wings, who didn't say much day 1 and thus by this and (mainly elimination) is my scum pick.

I think Hoopla has a reasonable chance of being scum, else at least one of the investigation's is v. likely wrong for whatever reason.
That's why I wish to perform the test above. Yes, scum could potentially interfere but it would be dicey for them if only DS knew what he was doing.

[Budja]

Sean's investigation on me would come up 'has a gun'!

OK, that shoots my idea to pieces.

Don is sounding a lot more sane than I thought.

I'm am more confident that scum are in my three vote choices, with Sotty as a outside chance.

[Budja]

WingsOWisdom, Cuetlachtli are the un-investigated, non-PR's. There is a possibility that DS was redirected so Sotty is less cleared than Don.

Why is there a possibility he was redirected? Why wouldn't he have been redirected on night one as well? He had claimed on day one don't forget. Do. Not. Like.

Have to admit I forgot that. I fell into the assumption we all claimed day 2 for some reason.

[Budja]

Feh Cue is vanilla but not cleared. I was only really looking at DS's investigations.

@Cue, Possibility 3 is the scum attempted to kill someone else who was protected and cruelty succeeded in his kill.
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Actually, the more I think this through, the more I like Hoopla as scum.

unvote, vote Hoopla

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I don't think there are three scum if Hoopla is scum, so I am not too worried about LyLo possibities ATM.

[Budja]

idiot/lazy tell if you are referring to my skimming .

@Hoopla,
1. missed snow's night action
2. But for three scum to exist, an investigation must be wrong. Also, I can't think of a three-scum combo of our vanillas. Also, I need to think before posting.

[Budja]

Sucky timing but I'm V/LA atm for at least 24 hrs.

If you kill me before then, go for hoopla tomorrow.