NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

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VOTE: Pine

Mostly for his #94, immediate Hop, and bad attempts to justify.

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I lol'd at the people attacking me, on the grounds of Hopping. In order to hop, you need to have been on a previous wagon.

But what happened was: I noticed the thread was up; I read the thread; I made a vote, and posted the quickfire explanation.

Highly likely that at least one of Krob and TBone are scum.

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@ Chrono It's the fact that your first post of the day was "Hey guys I'm here, oh look a bandwagon VOTE!"

Up until now, that was your only post.

I do like the fact that since I'm voting you and not bandwagoning like you that I MUST be scum. That's called deflecting. You know what I'm really doing Chrono? Scum hunting. Try it before you flip your vote to the C-Worl bandwagon, which I bet you're going to do as soon as it's convenient.

Just to be clear, I picked ChronoPie out of the 15 bandwagoners because his FIRST and ONLY post at that point of the game was to hop on the nearest bandwagon. (Yes you did hop, don't try to spin it as you were legitimately going after Pine) Obviously I'm not the only one who has a problem with it, or you wouldn't have another vote other than my own.

So Chrono, why are you Voting Pine? What did YOU do to come to the conclusion that he was the best vote? There are 23 other players, and not a single one of them peaked your interest to do a little scum hunting? Are you incapable of doing a little investing? Are you intentionally not scum hunting so you can say later "well I wasn't the one pushing this mislynch. It wasn't my read that was incorrect, it was PLAYER's read."

Umm, My reasons were that I didn't like Pine's #94 and subsequent trying to explain away. I didn't "Hop" without reasoning, and given that both yourself and Kr0b voted me for "Hopping", it's invalid.

And as for T-Bone OR myself being scum, why do you think this? Reasons? What has made you come to this conclusion because to me it looks like another random stab in the dark in the dark, this time simply at the two people voting for you. To wrap up my post, it looks to me as though you've tried to defend your actions and deflect back to the people finding you suspicious without really any depth whatsoever. A second baseless post?

A baseless accusation from TBone, and then you basically regurgitate the same reasons as justification to follow suit.

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VOTE: Pine

Mostly for his #94, immediate Hop, and bad attempts to justify.

Is it me or is this post an

immediate hop

with bad attempts to justify? I've been looking at specific players but this jumped out at me. At the moment I am going to VOTE: Chronopie until I'm given a good enough reason not to.

Hypocrisy

is not cool in my opinion and this looks like a more

blatant hop

than anything else I've seen in the game and this includes jindori's play.

Bolded where you called it hopping. and how is my placing a vote upon reading Hypocrisy? Please explain.

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EBWOP: Meant to hit Preview, not submit

I'm inclined to believe that the people driving the wagons, are less likely to be scum. It's the players jumping in on a whim that are the problems. The one player that sticks out to me more than anything is ChronoPie, if only because he's the person I've seen post the least. Of course I have 15 players on the wagons to choose from, so in my attempts to find scum, I'm looking through a haystack.

Unvote

Vote: Chronopie

Still, I don't like it. Your first post of the game was to immediately hop on the largest bandwagon. This in my mind puts you ahead of the other dirty bandwagoners.

T-Bone at least was original in his posting. I posted the least because... I'd only just seen the thread was open.
My first post my have include a vote on the current lead wagon, but I did provide reasoning as to my vote.

That I was picked out of 15 players on a whim, for having just noticed the thread was open... :/

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Hopping requires moving from one bandwagon to another. i.e what Pine did. That everyone else stated similar things doesn't come into play, as I made the connections myself, thus independently find Pine scummy. Therefore Kr0b was reaching.

Your Chainsaw has been noted.

Actually, I revise my read. T-Bone is null, although his singling me out is slightly suspicious. Kr0b is likely scum, as his post is a combination of regurgitation of T-bone's post and Reaching. (i.e Calling hypocrisy). C-Wrol's attempt to piggyback onto a wagon (without actually placing a vote yet) by means of chainsaw places him in the scum category too.

Kr0b/C-worl team, calling it now.

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Real Men use Shift. /ot

But atm I can't really get into the game. Some NAs/Scumflips to analyze would be useful. With a base point to work off, I always do better.

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Iso here means "to read someones posts in

ISO

lation"

The useful dropdown under the reply buttons that says "Display Posts by User"

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: C-worl - This, I was meaning to do earlier.

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I still feel that C-Worl is projecting scum vibes.

C-Worl > Snake lynch.

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Wow, just wow.

Since I last looked at the thread: Kise obvfakes a DK. Jind claims Werewolf?!? (Nice Pick Kise.), Gives us a line about Eastside Werewolves.
OP had flavour of

"Torn to Shreds and Shot Night 0!"

and has a red for mafia colour, as well as Purple 3P. So either "Shot" is SK and there's no Mafia, or Jind was BS'ing, as normal rules allow only two teams + SK max.
Jind gets mod-killed for claiming that his team has a watcher. (Or was it for a different reason?)

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While I would rather have kept Jind around a little longer, to see who he incriminated as a buddy, Dead scum is dead.

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Seeing as the VC was reset:
VOTE: C-worl

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Plus more than 9000 town points for C-Worl after that post. Pretty much summarises a lot of what has happened.

This.

UNVOTE: C-worl

hmm, I'll withhold my Vote for now.

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@Kise: If the west side ww's needed to outlast the east side w/e, a kill might have helped them do it. QED: Goon can still be neutral.

ofc I don't believe it myself, I say he was scum, and BS'ing on it. w/e.

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@Reck/Dram: Confirm/Deny whether you are PGO.

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Reck/Dram: If you ever get around to reading this: What is your role?

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@Chronopie: Why are you even trying to get an unclaim from Reckamonic? It's not possible to unclaim just like that, that would made mafia a complete mayhem.

If slot claims role, and replacement claims different role. Then scum = caught.

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/prodded. I've got a couple of assignments hanging over my head atm, so I haven't been as active as I should have been.

and GL with your Interview DH.

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A few quick points:
This is multiball. So if someone seems anti-town, yet are willingly voted by known anti-town, they might just be anti-town from another faction.

implosion summed up the NS post pretty well. NS is saying he's town or scum. No real reasoning given for either viewpoint over the other. Also NS missed a possible Point:

(Town Vig, 3rd party Serial Killer, or, you know it by now, Lying Mafia,

or Gambiting townie

)

What's more, the slant of NS's post "lying

mafia

" = Wolfslip?

- I don't believe Kise is scum. Gambitting maybe, but not scum.
- I'm choosing to believe Reck/Dram IS a PGO, and thus town. After all, we have 2 anti-town teams + possible SK. a PGO could be an important balancing factor.
- NS's biased post seems like it comes from an anti-town perspective.

VOTE: NS

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I'm still here DH, one slot you don't have to replace. Yet. But long day is long, and assignment is annoying (the last one atleast tg).

But, in any case, there doesn't appear to be anything new to comment on. </lurk mode re-engaged until assignment is finished.>

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My Inet fell over during the night phase, so I'm only just able to state this:

Semi-V/LA

. I'm piggybacking on a neighbour's wifi atm.

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#1) I suggested Kise was gambiting/lying townie...

Yesterday.

That would suggest that Kise has no action to even visit Reckamonic.

#2) On lynching the SK: Is it better to mislynch several townies, or get rid of a kill per night? The best chance we have is to avoid having 3+ kills per night, as it reduces the numbers we have. Given that there's more Town than there are Scum, letting 3+ kills per night float around...

Spoiler: assumptions ahead

If we assume 1 SK, 3 Mafiates, and 3-1 Werewolves, that's a total of 6 Scum. in 24 players total. 18 townies. Given that the Mafiates and the werewolves know each other: The SK has 23 potential Targets (5 scum), the mafia has 21 targets (3 scum), and the werewolves have 22 targets (4 scum).

The chance of any crosskill is absurdly low right now to leave any kill source alive. FAR more likely is another night (or 3) of townie deaths.

In 24 players, of which we have just 6 scum, (that's 1/4 players), we have far more chance to mislynch, followed by more town deaths.

WCS: Mislynchs, no x-kills

Assuming Mislynch today [D2] 23(17/6). 3 Townies killed overnight [N2]: 20(14/6). Another Mislynch [D3]: 19(13/6). another night of kills [N3]: 16(10/6). [D4] 15(9/6). [N4] 12(6/6). [D5] 11(5/6) = [5 - 3-2-1]. [N6] 8 = [2 - 3-2-1] At which point we would have lost for sure.

Best Case Scenario:

[D2] Lynch a mafiate: 23 (18/2/2/1) [N2] x-kills all round 20 (18/1/1/1) [Assuming BP SK]. [D3] SK lynch (18/1/1). [N4] X-kills ftw (18)

But that's unlikely to happen, given the small odds of x-kills.

Basically: We need to eliminate a source of kills asap.

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Oh and: Kise is possibly Town, Reck/Dram are probably town. like yesterday.

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I'm back, and my Internet is fixed.

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Given that the Mafiates and the werewolves know each other

erm... whut?

Quadz was correct, I did mean that the Werewolves know the other werewolves, and the mafiates know the other mafiates, not that werewolves know the mafiates etc.

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Compulsive, Bullet-proof Vig?

Don't tell me that that doesn't

SCREAM

SK.

VOTE: Raud

And I gave my view on needing to eliminate a source of kills asap. The less kills per night, the more chances we have of catching scum.

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And has someone pointed out that "Shot" is likely the mafia kill flavour? Due to the Pre-game NPC being "Torn to Shreds and

Shot

"

-OIC Reck/Dram did-

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afaik I wasn't ninja replaced...

I vote we lynch him. One less kill per night = more days to catch scum.

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@C-Worl: You don't like my Iso? Care to actually point out anything in particular, and I'll try to answer to your satisfaction, barring Confirmation Bias.

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@ the C-Worl Wagon: So you're waggoning C-Worl because he's been waggoned before? Is this going on the theory that his buddies were instrumental in breaking down/diverting to other wagons?

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I've tried going through Jindori's iso, looking for wolf-buddies, but just... ugh.
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The closest tie was to Rayfrost (Reck/Dram) the Claimed PGO.

So I'll decline to vote for now.

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In so far as information: We would get more from a TC flip, than from anyone else atm.

VOTE: TC

Ideally a scumflip, from which point we can hunt his buddies based on interactions, but even a townflip lets us begin to PoE.

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I think we're overlooking something.

@TC: How many Neighbours are there? I don't need names, but Number is important.

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UNVOTE: TC

If there are only two neighbours (one flipped town), it seems highly unlikely, as this is a two team game, that the other neighbour is scum. Three neighbours, and it may have been alot more plausible.

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We have 16 living Players. It's probably not too much of a stretch to assume that of the 24 that began, roughly 25% were scum. That would be 6. Add the SK, 7 scum.

-1 SK
-1 Wolf

2 Wolves
3 Mafia

Therefore 11 Town. With me so far?

No matter what happens today, we are not going to eliminate a source of kills. Therefore, lets assume the worst.

Spoiler: WCS

10

-

2

-

3

going into Tonight (N3).

8

-

2

-

3

Tomorrow (D4).

7

-

2

-

3

going into N4

5

-

2

-

3

going into D4

From that point onwards, scum (as a whole) potentially have greater numbers than town.

*This assumes that we mislynch, and that there are no scum x-kills.

Even should we be lucky enough to hit one scum inside the next two lynches, that doesn't vastly improve the odds.

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Mastin otoh, has put in a great deal of effort, more than I would expect of scum. Scum might just deliver some kind of TL;DR summary, leaving us in a quandary, without any clear direction, as it directly profits them to leave us in ignorance. Given the information within the walls (which are, as expected, a PITA to read), I

largely

agree with his reads, although I know he is wrong in one instance, with 100% certainty.

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Also, given that a Seer was killed N1 (Seer is typically a Werewolf detecting Cop. And killed by mafia (based on kill flavour) none the less), we can probably assume there to be a <mafia detecting> cop. While, as such a role doesn't detect wws, we cannot be assured of any "clears", a guilty would be immensely useful, both for reducing the numbers of scum overall, and the connections that could be established which such information would allow us to guess at.

Therefore:

Town

Myself - Role (Obv)
TC - Role
Reckamonic - Role
Mastin - Actions
Kise - Gambits seem dmc = non-scum tatic.
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singer
implosion
powerrox
conspiracy
Pine
C-Worl
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charlie
zepher
gorilla
nacho
tbone

scum

With the top 5 being near equal in my eyes.
C-Worl scores as low as he does, because I feel his reverting to Caps may be a form of hiding Scumitude via fake rage-posting.
and the Bottom 5 my picks for scum, making no differentitation between sides.

VOTE: T-Bone

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VOTE COUNT

Day 3 Vote Count (#16)

Chronopie -

6

7 (gorilla, MrZepher, tclawren, C-Worl, T-Bone, Nachomamma8,

Kise

) L-2
tclawren - 2 (implosion, Reckamonic)
Charlie -

2

1 (

Kise

, Powerrox93)
T-Bone - 2 (mastin2, Chronopie)
mastin2 - 1 (Pine)
Pine - 1 (ConSpiracy)

Not voting - 2 (singersigner, Charlie)

Deadline is May 17th, 9:00 PM EDT. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch and 8 to No Lynch.

Well, this wagon is... awful tbh.

Scum, sheep, lurkerscum, and scumsheep. Possibly

lurkerscumsheep

. It's fair to assume that the majority of the living scum [5 living by my estimation] are on my wagon. That's either three or four scum on my wagon.

Of those on my wagon atm: {<gorilla, MrZepher,> tclawren, C-Worl,

<T-Bone, Nachomamma8,>

Kise

}

tc is a neighbour, thus likely town. Kise's Daykill gambit that revealed a werewolf, and his subsequent devil-may-care play make me think town.

{

gorilla, MrZepher,

C-Worl,

T-Bone, Nachomamma8

}

Guaranteed 2 scum here. Possibly as High as 4. Conveniently, of those, The latter 2 jumped on AFTER I called them scum, AND a decent wagon built up.

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FOR THE MOTHER FUCKING GLORY

UNVOTE, VOTE: CHRONOPIE

Alright Cam, I will trust you, if only because your right, he won't get lynched today no matter what we do. No one is gonna wanna read mastin's posts to see what he's actually saying anyway.

Unvote vote: Chronopie

There's some trust right their C-dawg.

and lets look at C-Worl himself:

Spoiler: c-worl's vote

YA DIG DAWG? ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS YO?

YEP, MY QUESTIONS HATH BEEN ANSWURD.

ISO'D MYSELF AND REMEMBERED WHY TC WAS SCUMMY. ISO'D CHARLIE AND SAW WHY PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTER HIM. STARTING TO REMEMBER WHY PINE IS SCUM.

IN THE END I'LL AGREE WITH BONE. CHARLIE LYNCH REGARDLESS OF HIS FLIP DOESN'T TELL US MUCH SINCE HE HASN'T REALLY GONE AFTER ANYONE. ALL HE'S DONE IS MANAGED TO NOT CONTRIBUTE AT ALL WHICH I'VE SEEN HIM DO IN OTHER GAMES. I THINK HE'S JUST A GENERALLY BAD PLAYER. PINE IS ARROGANT AND AN ASS. I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM FLIP AS TOWN IN ANY GAMES I'VE PLAYED WITH HIM YET SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S HIS PERSONALITY OR IF THIS IS SIMPLY HIS SCUM META. ALTHOUGH A PINE LYNCH WILL TELL US A LOT SINCE IF HE DOES FLIP SCUM I KNOW PINE DOESN'T BUS, EVAR. I'M WILLING TO BELIEVE TC'S CLAIM FOR NOW.

VOTE: CHRONOPIE[/B]

C.L.A.N NEEDS TO JOIN THIS WAGON. NAIOW.

followed by a correction of tags.

So C-Worl picks me as a random, throwaway vote, not even mentioned within the post itself. He then pushes me as scum, with no real case, and

tells

others to hop on. again, without a coherent case.

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Gorilla at least justifies his vote, and refers to it as "Turning up the heat" (pressure vote?), and states that he believes that I am scum, with various points made against me, while none stuck.

Zepher's case

Spoiler: here

Let's go about things this way. ISO analysis, and I DO try to put things in context. If there are any discrepancies let me know and I'll answer for them or scratch them out.

Spoiler: Scum read posts are marked in red

0-3

: This madness has been addressed before and I still hold him in contempt for it.

4

: The end of his post he over simplifies the argument against him and belittles its credibility

5

: Over exaggerates and claims a chainsaw defense on C-Worl... since this comes before even the jindori madness the chainsaw claim is overdramatizing the
argument.
6-8: Nothing special here....

9

: Makes a point about multiple wolf factions not being possible, but his comment about Jin bothers me somewhat

10

: No. Bad. A summary of things is not enough to call somebody town. Anybody with any intent can do it. Bad move bud.

11

: I could get a better read on this post if I understood Chrono's acronyms... It comes off as scummy for now

12-13

: Asking Reck to claim
14: You make a point, but it's still dumb to ask. Reck isn't stupid... I think...
15: Make a couple good points, and then adds on a little to Implosion's post. Debatable read.

16-17

: Intentional lurking much?
18: Makes a point about the SK

19

: Ummm... hmmmm....

20

: LOL. 7 posts after a mod threatens to prod and his internet is magically fixed. Convenient much? Otherwise, nothing that wasn't said before.
21: Adds to Quad's list
22: Addressing some things

23

: It bothers me how nonchalant he seems with this post. "Ideally he's scum, but a town flip is cool too."

Basically for lurking, bad posting, and coming off as scummy in general:

Vote: Chronopie

I wish I could post more but I can't put off my art homework any longer so hypothetically I should come back with a list of stuff to either add my opinions to or address about my vote, yeah?

appears sincere, although wrongheaded. Although attempting to address a case based upon mindset, thus subject to a degree of bias, can be futile, I will attempt to reconcile the opposing viewpoints later.

Fixed some tags. The "vote" will not be counted.

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So you can't nest Spoiler tags inside quotes inside spoilers.

P.Edit: Thanks for the tag fixes DH.

Anytime.

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I feel that T-Bone- and Nacho-scum need to be lynched first. (although Nacho's nothing more than lurker-scum, with a minimum of connections made, he's still scum.)

I have one of those feelings that T-Bone's aggressive play is masking scum motivation by way of shear volume. As such, within the morass, we will probably find links to his partners.

While Nacho appears to be trying to lurk to victory. As such, this would be a low information lynch, but ultimately still needs to happen.

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On Zepher's iso-case:

0-3: This madness has been addressed before and I still hold him in contempt for it.

*I see the thread is open (well after the game has started), read the thread, made a vote on pine, whom had made several scummy actions
**Pointed out that people were attacking me on false grounds / by differing definitions. Rather than making a comprehensive case, I'd posted my reasoning in a tl;dr form

And lets be honest, would you rather have ~12 near-identical cases on a player, cluttering up the thread, or shorter posts made by people largely in agreement with the present case, with small adjustments from their own povs.

***Expanding upon the T-Bone/Krob connection that I perceived to exist. Note that I still wouldn't mind T-bone hang, while charlie is just a lurker.
****Terminology Disputation

4: The end of his post he over simplifies the argument against him and belittles its credibility
*although it could be seen as an over-simplification, that really is the core of the matter at that point in time.

This guys showed up finally and made a post, in which he agrees with current sentiments, and votes for the same person that others are voting for, because he perceives the same tells that others do.

It doesn't really sound good when put that way :/

5: Over exaggerates and claims a chainsaw defense on C-Worl... since this comes before even the jindori madness the chainsaw claim is overdramatizing the
argument.
* Defending a player by means of attacking the attacker. This is indeed what C-Worl did when he defended krob's attacking me.

Admittedly I probably did exaggerate. slightly. But I was under a moment of zealousness, and the connection seemed evident.

6-8: Nothing special here....

9: Makes a point about multiple wolf factions not being possible, but his comment about Jin bothers me somewhat.
* I play by means of connections. If I can analyse a confirmed scum's posts, provided that he's posted enough, I can usually pick out those he attacked as likely town, while those he subtled buddied as scum. So having Jindori around longer would have allowed for some more concrete connections to be formed.

As it stands, it has been futile to attempt, as his iso is garbage.

10: No. Bad. A summary of things is not enough to call somebody town. Anybody with any intent can do it. Bad move bud.
* Playstyle differences perhaps. I like to use summaries as a tl;dr breakdown, so I can reference to that post, rather than going back through the entire thread repeatedly. I do it as town, so it's become a towntell from my pov. /selfmeta

11: I could get a better read on this post if I understood Chrono's acronyms... It comes off as scummy for now.

@Kise: If the west side ww's [werewolves] needed to outlast the east side w/e [

w

hat

e

ver], a kill might have helped them do it. QED link: Goon can still be neutral.

ofc [Of Course] I don't believe it myself, I say he was scum, and BS'ing [bullshitting] on it. w/e.

*Here I was playing Devil's Advocate, "assuming" that what Jindori had been saying was true, then the scenario could have been possible. the disclaimer afterwards was my personal view, at odds with the devil's advocate role.

12-13: Asking Reck to claim
*One of the easiest ways to catch scum out is to ask them, before they get the chance to look over their predecessor's posting, whether what their predecessor claimed is what they confirm. If they confirm, you have them locked into the role, if they deny (or better claim contrary), lynch them.

14: You make a point, but it's still dumb to ask. Reck isn't stupid... I think...
*A simplification, but it got the point across.

15: Make a couple good points, and then adds on a little to Implosion's post. Debatable read.
*This post is pretty straightforward from my PoV. I thought NS was scummy, I pushed the point.

ofc the SK proved me wrong the very same night

16-17: Intentional lurking much?
*Not so much lurking as busy with rl commitments
**Posting a picture for the lulz. Also commenting that, while I was infact still busy, that shouldn't mean that no one else posts.

18: Makes a point about the SK
*A viewpoint I continue to stand by, as removing a source of anti-town kills is always beneficial.

19: Ummm... hmmmm....
*re-enforcing a viewpoint I held, and continue to hold, intended as an addendum to the previous post, as I was unsure whether I would have regular access at that point in time.

20: LOL. 7 posts after a mod threatens to prod and his internet is magically fixed. Convenient much? Otherwise, nothing that wasn't said before.
*While it is ironic, (the distance from the mod post), it was infact the estimate I'd placed on the duration of my absence (note that it was 4 days since the prior posts at that)
The rest of that post was a rapidfire catchup summary.

21: Adds to Quad's list
*Self-explanitory

22: Addressing some things
*Self-explanitory

23: It bothers me how nonchalant he seems with this post. "Ideally he's scum, but a town flip is cool too."
*Again, I work via connections. TC's been fairly active, and we can get almost as much from connections made between scum/who the scum attack, as from genuine townie suspicions, whom may have picked up things that others miss, as no one has quite the same perspectives.

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Mid-semester break

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Really? We're backing down off that?

23: It bothers me how nonchalant he seems with this post. "Ideally he's scum, but a town flip is cool too."
*Again, I work via connections. TC's been fairly active, and we can get almost as much from connections made between scum/who the scum attack, as from genuine townie suspicions, whom may have picked up things that others miss, as no one has quite the same perspectives.

That still doesn't justify why you voted him after never addressing him prior, nor did you really state why you thought lynching him was a good idea. It was a sheepy, bandwagon vote with poor justification. Also, you list zepher as a possible scum on your wagon but then say his case seems sincere. So do you or do you not think he's scum?

Scum can make cases too.

The point is that some scum/players try harder than other scum/players. See T-bone's/Nacho's Vote posts, as opposed to Zepher's.

Zepher made an effort to make a case. but this is still multiball, so nothing is guaranteed.

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TC has been a often-posting player, although his posts did not look particularly town. Therefore connections could have been made between his posts and a flip. I expressed my Vote as for the purposes of information, and that's precisely what I play for.

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Why are we voting Pine now?

T-Bone and Nacho are better Lynch options. (By which I mean more likely to be scum)

[Chronopie]

If I vote Pine today, can we lynch T-Bone tomorrow?

Unvote, Vote: Pine

and afaik Reck and Dram are

buttbuddies

initimate personal acquaintances, so yes, a personal problem could apply to both of them.

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Right, so I'm back, and I can say that T-Bone was correct in that I did not go anywhere N2. But then again, he could have pulled a name out of a hat and had as much luck by guessing...

The fact that he claims to have had sighted several players with is tracking is far more concerning, given the cc's by way of denial.

That, in addition to my Suspicions of him predating this day, allows me to state, without reservation, that I do not mind seeing him hang.

[Chronopie]

I'm resigned to being lynched. 1 town for up to 3 scum is not a bad trade off. Let's get this over with. I bet those holding off their votes are scum afraid to be the reason we mislynch another town, so players like Chronopie and C-Worl also give you guys a great possibility for another member of the mafia. Interesting now that Chronopie finally gets the opportunity to follow through on his "suspicions" he's no where to be found. He should also be on your lynch radar.

I'm still here. Just waiting to see what other people want to say, because there's absolutely no town reason for me to put you at L-1 this early into the day, just for you to self-hammer.

[Chronopie]

I won't self-hammer I have no reason too. You're just solidfying yourself as 4th scum by inaction. Funny the only times you vote for me is when you know I won't get lynched, but the moment it's time for Chronopie to take responsibility for his scum hunting, he is quick to say "I won't do it." Why? Because he's scum and doesn't want to be responsible for my mislynch, so you can come on Day 5 and say, "well I had a hunch he was town and that's why I didn't vote. Town points please."

lol. just lol.

Once there has been sufficient discussion, I'll gladly vote you so we can lynch scum. So yes, I will follow up with my Promise to vote, but moar discussion is tech.

[Chronopie]

Lets try this then. Since you claimed:

Roleblock

on

Kise (VT)

Track

on Me (Negative result)

and

Watch

on

Nacho (goon)

with the Result of Mastin2 (Declined to answer), Gorilla (Denied) and Implosion (Denied).

Why should we let you live? You have no proof, infact quite the reverse with people contradicting you.

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Far more likely is that you're scum, and since you claimed multiple results, which some of those in question declaimed as falsehoods, you're now attempting to find any way possible out of that hole you dug yourself.

[Chronopie]

You ask why you should let me live, and then let me live Chronopie?

??

I wanting to hear what kind of reasonable response you could possibly dream up. My skepticism is waiting.

[Chronopie]

Vote: T-Bone

That's a hammer.

p.edit: Told you he'd self-hammer.

[Chronopie]

From the look of things, T-bone the mafiate gave up, told us that Gorilla and implosion are the werewolves, as confirmed by a mafia rolecop?

[Chronopie]

So the werewolves have a watcher according to Jindori-ww, and it's implosion according to the mafia rolecop according to T-Bone-mafiate.

Which in itself indicates the mafia have a rolecop, which was more or less the kind of thing Jindori got mk'd for in the first place.

[Chronopie]

So as I read it:

Gorilla claims Cop.
Mastin cc's Cop.
spamposting ensues.

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Probability say that we started the game with no more than 6 scum (+SK)

-Jindori ww
-T-Bone mafia, Nacho mafia

7 - 2 - 1

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If scum were to cc a real cop, who then gets lynched, they get killed the next day. Basic Logic.

Given the probable numbers, cc'ing a cop now would be suicide, possibly factional suicide.

Therefore Mastin is HIGHLY unlikely to be scum.

Far more likely to be scum, in any given claim/cc scenario, is the first to claim. Anyone disagree?

VOTE: Gorilla

[Chronopie]

Vote: Mastin

It came down to him vs. Gorilla yesterday on a claim/cc on cop, and gorilla was the cop. Therefore most plausable conclusion is Mastin = Scum.

[Chronopie]

Here's a list of theories: Roleblocked / Werewolf-Doc protect / Commuter/Hider / Failed to send in kill. Feel free to add if you think of anything else...

I I don't think it's 4/4.

Balance wise that would have been a shitfest from the start.

[Chronopie]

Unvote

Although cc'ing the cop was a stupid thing to do, and more likely to have come from scum hoping to force a 1v1, and buy a day, I actually believe mastin might make that kind of play. Although I stand by inevitable first conclusion I drew (and no doubt other did), that the one that cc's the cop is scum.

BFHoS: Mastin

So lets discuss.

Since you believe Singer is the last mafiate, which actually seems fairly likely, and ConSpiracy and Reck are the werewolves, which one would you rather see lynched?

[Chronopie]

Well post this case of unusual logic, conjecture, and rainclouds. A case which makes partial sense is still better than no case what so ever. In other words: You talk the talk, now walk the walk.

[Chronopie]

This is where I announce I'm still here, look back over the last few pages, don't notice anything that needs urgent commenting on, and then lurk for the next 48 hours or so.

Maybe once Mastin actually fronts up with the case he's been promising.

[Chronopie]

Still waiting on Mastin's case.

/lurk

[Chronopie]

I'm on limited Access for the next couple weeks, leading up to exams. [Study break]

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I agree with Reck on the second part, [i.e Mastin-scum] obv. I disagree on the first part [i.e Chrono-scum]

Consider this a 24 hour willing-to-vote notification.

Based on this:

I found an interesting section of his iso:

Spoiler: Excerpt from Mastin's iso

-C-worl looked town. Unvote.
-So did tclawren.

Lowell investigated tclaw Night Two. That was my innocent, and why I have been defending tclaw as town from the MOMENT I replaced in.

Personally, I don't see why it'd be necessary. (Since I thought Tclawren looked town, and therefore shouldn't be forced to claim.)

Anyway, going to start reading up on the game.
Preview-Edit: Gah, I told you so. >_<

More evidence of my tclaw result.

-tclawren is town.

23. tclawren <--Town.

And then, continuing to list tclaw as town.

For the record?

The Mod wrote:tclawren - 6 (implosion, ConSpiracy, Pine, C-Worl, Reckamonic, Chronopie) L-3
This wagon needs to die. Quickly.

And so on and so on.

I could quote all day exactly why Lowell got an innocent on tclaw night two. Note that Lowell was suspicious of tclaw the whole game and voted C-worl on Day Three rather than Tclaw.

Since I took over day three, that meant that I knew how to play cop smart from there-on.

I did a 'crumb day three which spelt out "COP", but I can't find it--it's there somewhere, though. On day three, you have this:

Instead, I DID do a background check on Nacho last night and confirmed he was scum

Background check. Investigation. Confirmed him as scum.

Why Nacho?

Following my guide to Proper Cop Play, of course. I didn't think Nacho would be night-killed (what wolf was in there right mind doing that?!? >_<), and thought he wasn't going to be lynched. If he was town, I knew that he was going to be one of the best scumhunters here once cleared as being innocent. If he was scum, it'd confirm my read on him.

And my FIRST post on Day Five?

So, I reviewed the evidence on Chronopie last night, and concluded that he is, in fact, not scum.

Reviewed the evidence. Not Scum. Yeah.

Why Chronopie?

Simple--Chrono's reads matched my own. He was unlikely to be lynched ever since T-Bone attacked him hard, he was unlikely to be NK'd, and he obviously was competent since he was the only one other than me who called both Nacho AND T-Bone to be scum together.


So, yeah. Either I am scum who planned this fakeclaim FROM THE MOMENT I REPLACED IN, or I am, in fact, the real cop.

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: That he cc'd the real cop with Such crumbs, and the line at the bottom:

"So, yeah. Either I am scum who planned this fakeclaim FROM THE MOMENT I REPLACED IN, or I am, in fact, the real cop."

I am scum, or I am the real cop

Scum or real cop

Scum.

[Chronopie]

Points out Limited Access. Elaborates in such a way as to express that I'm only on for a few hours a night.

After having read the mastinwalls, I agree that Mastin is NOT the lynch for today.

Vote: ConSpiracy

And I realise that that is the hammer, but we will get more info from a flip to vindicate or condemn mastin('s theory) once and for all.

[Chronopie]

Fail gambit is fail, due to attentive mod.

NOT lynching mastin today.

[Chronopie]

Scum: ConSpiracy + Reck + Singer(?)

Town:

Mastin

+ Chrono + Zepher + Slaxx(?) + Powerrox(?)

I would like everyone active to post a list like the above.

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P.Edit: But you don't want to draw Doc protects as a PGO.

[Chronopie]

I don't think mastin would have put in the work he has as scum. He would have fobbed us off with some excuse and/or self-hammered.

Therefore: Mastin is town.

[Chronopie]

I pm'd the mod overnight, voting both for short night and that I was still around. Thus wasn't replaced.

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This should look familiar:

Here's a list of theories:

Roleblocked

/ Doc protect / Commuter/Hider / Failed to send in kill. Feel free to add if you think of anything else...

If we assume there is a roleblocker, they'd be a werewolf (given that gorilla-cop claimed blocked when he tried visit Reck - Note that no other PR claimed Blocked). Therefore wouldn't have blocked the wolfkill. Unless there's a town Roleblocker. Which is doubtful at this point.

If Scum-PRs can action and kill the same night, then Mastin-Mafia-Doc could have protected Zepher, as he claimed.

Commuter/Hider... obvious why a kill would have been missed in those cases.

As is failed to send.

New idea:

+BP role: Perhaps we have a bulletproof Townie, in which case said person soaked up a kill.

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And you really need to change your Hydra's Sig.

[Chronopie]

No. That's stupid.

A day is wasted without discussion wtf.

qft.

--

Mylo can still be productive. Just find and correctly lynch scum, instead of giving them a freekill by insta-NL'ing.

[Chronopie]

I swear, Every. Single. Time. I tried post over the last two days, I had to try 3+ times bc the board kept eating it.

anyway, I'm here, don't prod me, the gist of the post that got eaten was:

Conspiracy's trying to rush the No Lynch is scummy. Discussion is always of benefit. Top scumspect.

That Dram's (Reckamonic's) role is still unproven, as the only claimed visits were Kise (VT), and Gorilla (Cop), who claimed RB'd that night. Makes me wary. 2nd placed scumspect.

Powerrox was declared Town by Mastin, which makes me wary, and his views seem almost a 180 from mine, but his play still seems marginally town. 3rd placed scumspect.

Given how much Mastin was pushing Singer as the last Mafioso, She looks townier in my eyes now.

Zepher's Mastin-Mafia-Doc's claim of protection seems more plausible now than it was before his (mastin's) flip (obv), and as such moves right up into the solidly 99.999% town category.

[Chronopie]

So you... targeted Reck... but didn't die?

and then you hammered NL, preventing us following up on the Defective PGO. Or am I missing something?

[Chronopie]

VT

Singer.

[Chronopie]

And I'm right in the middle of the Exam fortnight. One test down, two to go. divided concentration etc.

[Chronopie]

Right...

So SS is now confirmed Town.
That Dram has chosen to play this way makes me inclined to view him as town.

(Sorry I suspected you Dram. <3)

that leaves Powerrox and Conspiracy.

This is Lylo, so I'm going to go for the one more likely to be scum of the two, that's been giving me bad feelings for a fair deal of the game.

VOTE: Conspiracy

[Chronopie]

And I'm going to be very sad if this ends up being a Dram/SS scumteam gambit.

[Chronopie]

Just finished Exam #2.

Exam #3 tomorrow.

proper post the day after.

[Chronopie]

So you're a "neighbour", that confirms themself as town to one player.

6. Eldritch Lord (who replaced MaxKojote), Town Neighbor, Slashed Across the Face and Eaten Night 2!
23. Slaxx (who replaced tclawren), Town Neighbor, Slashed Across the Face and Eaten Night 6!

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and your 3006 doesn't look like a drunk post.

Sorry about last night btw. Laptop crashed, then decided to go through an error check.

[Chronopie]

I'm going to VOTE: Chronopie now

1) Lurking. Lurks to much over the course of the whole game
2) His attempt in ISO 13,14 to get an unclaim from reckamonic is bad, especially considering that reckamonic recently replaced in the game at that point. And the explanation in ISO 28 isn't a good one either
3) Lurking
4) Going back-and-forth of he thoughts about mastin2

1) Limited Access for Study Break != Intentional Lurking

2) The fastest way to catch replacing-scum is to catch them offguard, before they have a chance to check over their predecessor's claim. Like if Ray claimed PGO, and Dram denied PGO, it would have made me more suspicious of him.

4) His walls of text (if you actually read them), contained quite a few well thought out, and logical points.
Then he cc'd the cop.
Then the cop flipped.
Then he claimed Doc ON A NIGHT W/ A MISSING KILL

and keep in mind, that as the last mafiate, it would have benefited him to identify the wolves, as much as it would a townie. The beauty of multi-ball, is that you can (sometimes) trust scum's scumhunting.

[Chronopie]

Yeah Plushie, I know. Still worth a try. Everyone makes mistakes.

[Chronopie]

He's the odd one out because he's voting a townie? Agreed.

[Chronopie]

Well the way I see it, I'm in between two scum, with Dram and Singer holding the swing votes.

(And praying this wasn't all some elaborate gambit between the two of them)

[Chronopie]

Daww, Plushie.

[Chronopie]

Sweet victory.

A few things:

1) Is that Flavour text

my

PoV? xD

2) I AM a new Zealander, so that much is amusing.

3) I wanted to 'turn' dram and Singer in the flavour text.

Speaking of which: Are you two game tonight?

[Chronopie]

I am sorry that my play was so lax this game. Particularly with the study break and exams making such a mess of my schedule. I could barely think, let alone play, for some of that time. although it may have been convenient, insofar as aiding in no signs of buddying whatsoever, I genuinely felt bad about it. I understand completely if any of you are reluctant to play alongside me/allow me into a game you mod.

DH, You modded a genuinely fun, fairly balanced game. If you'd have me back, I wouldn't mind playing in another one of your games.

Powerrox made a really good wolf-buddy. I wouldn't hesitate to play alongside him again.

Jindori... not so much. I feel the modkill was, in his case, entirely appropriate. Even though it did leave us playing man-down the entire game. At least he was just a goon.

Dram, I hope our friendship (at least I hope we're friends), didn't influence your decision. (Much). A win cheapened in such a way is hardly better than no win at all.

Singer, I must admit I was playing on your lack of attention slightly. Although I felt I might have blown it near the end when I ill-advisedly due attention to your "Neighbour" claim. (tbh, I hadn't actually heard of a 'Friendly Neighbour' before.)

To anyone not mentioned above, I wouldn't mind playing again with any of you.

[Chronopie]

Question: Would you have shot me on the last night, had we not mislynched?

If I were the last man standing, probably not

And once again, I land on the other side of the fence from my wolf-buddy. Probably part of the reason we lasted so long, as no one could really tie us together convincingly.

If it had been powerrox lynched...

Would I have mauled you? Probably. Couldn't let both you and singer into a 3-man lylo, and I feel slightly more confident that I could sway her into my way of thinking, than swaying you. Still <3 you both ofc.

[Chronopie]

Seeing what Mastin wrote in the Mafia Qt reminds me just who much fun some of this was. Admitted I did ride his coattails, even though I was 70+% convinced he was the last mafioso. Then ofc, once I started, I realised I'd started defending him to the point where a 180 and revote would have been worse than trying to play the 'genuinely misguided' card.

Then considering Powerrox was pushing Mastin so strongly, it was a subtle form of distancing too IMO.

--

The Mafia Kill on the Seer was a nice thing for you guys to do for us too. I personally might not have gone after Nero until too late.

--

I did put out the hit on you. twice. for a reason.

[Chronopie]

And One more point: dram was clear as town because a scum-dram would have killed Singer after her declaration, rite?

I could have wifomed the **** out of that, because I wouldn't have killed singer either. Bigger, less-susceptible-to-persuasion fish to fry.

[Chronopie]

I'm curious, would you have come around to my way of thinking, or would I have been one of your picks for the chopping block?

I did advocate other kills over yours for my suspicions that I probably could have. Would I have been sadly mistaken?