Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

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VOTE: Donjosh

sup foo?

EBWOP: not partaking in RVS is a null tell.

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FOS: Cobbler

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Just fine.

You scum brah?

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Whatcha typing up cobbler?

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nah.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: cobbler

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KC's town. I have a couple o' theories as to what pinged yo' scumdar. Mind telling me exactly what it was?

Your iso is short enough maybe you can figure it out?

Hint: Wagon wagon is wagon

FoS: Projectmatt

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PM: Null that can turn scummy.

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4 questions:

Who are you?

Why do you play mafia?

Why are you not scum?

What will you be known for this game?

My answers in order:

Einstein obv.

Brain hurtin' and ego boostin'

MOONBEAMS

Actively kicking ass and taking names.

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Ray i just got a big fat so-null-it's-scary read from you.

Post again, answer my questions.

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my vote makes me feel only a little better.

Cobbler you have leeway, but only so much.

BRB tell me when cobbler becomes town.

PEDIT:

NEVERMIND! LYNCH IS A GO.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Projectmatt

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that didn't make me feel any better about you Ray.

BRB rental store.

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Link is town.

Bye.

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Link is town for his answers to my questions.

PM is scum for the same thing.

Votes on him. Now.

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Wording makes ALL the difference.

Link's Wasn't trying to be friendly.

Yours were.

Why would town try to be friendly in a mafia game? Why would they not try more to hunt scum?

Think about it, and you are AtE-ing at it's most blatant.

Today, you swing.

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Repeat the question Ray?

That wasn't answer that solidified your lynch for me PM

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KC's town. I have a couple o' theories as to what pinged yo' scumdar. Mind telling me exactly what it was?

How the hell do you have a town read on somebody so large that you can blatantly defend them before page 1 is even over?

Never experienced lurker scum. Now tell me why you're fishing for what the town finds scummy?

That shouldn't concern you yet. Care to answer my earlier question?

Why do you play mafia?

Competitive fun

Why are you not scum?

Because I am sided with the town.

What will you be known for this game?

Agonizingly bad attempts at scumhunting

To all. Tell me what is the tone of these posts?

better: Iso PM Just tell me where he isn't trying to be "apart of the game" and trying to "Move the game."

Go ahead.

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Question 4 is what does it for me.

#3 is icing on the cake.

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9 to lynch, Link. I think with the pace we are going we are bound to find more scum.

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wait is it 10 to lynch?

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yep 10 to lynch.

chances are scum will show up between now and then.

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WEEEEEE OMGUS

Ray:

I ask again what is pro-town about buddying?

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Getting MAD town reads pouring out of Project matt. Do NOT want.

eh?

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Maru had me shaky before, but Maru shall never be lynched. ever.

Though Maru, If you are gonna make a wall like that don't give out nulls like candy.

And I'm still confoosed on how PM is Null. NOT NULL-SCUM but null.

EH?

hiplop back off maru is town.

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Forget what i said about PM... Please. >_>

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I could see a hiplop PM scum team but I can't give hiplop as scum yet.

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also hiplop:

Getting MAD town reads pouring out of Project matt. Do NOT want.

eh?

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so you think everyone is town besides you and cobbler? cool

okay it took me 3 times to read this to notice how wrong this is.



EH???????????

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Ray is getting scummy. I hate 131 with a passion.

My PM wagon is dead so...

VOTE: BBMolla

only wall? "everyone is town."

NOPE.

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BTW, just so everyone's aware, we have 6 MLs and 1 NL until MYLO/LYLO.

And my timezone is PST I think.

lynch.
him.
now.

Remember what i was on about? trying to SEEM town? TAKE A WILD GUESS AT WHAT THE BOLDED IS DOING.

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Ray is getting scummy. I hate 131 with a passion.

My PM wagon is dead so...

VOTE: BBMolla

only wall? "everyone is town."

NOPE.

Sorry about that I'll tell everyone to seem scummier to me.

BTW, just so everyone's aware, we have 6 MLs and 1 NL until MYLO/LYLO.

And my timezone is PST I think.

lynch.
him.
now.

Remember what i was on about? trying to SEEM town? TAKE A WILD GUESS AT WHAT THE BOLDED IS DOING.

If the above part is scummy, the below part is too. They're both just facts.

Nice rebuttal.

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where's my molla lynch?

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decent get scum points...

I still want my molla lynch.

someone please explain the cobbler wagon to me kaythx

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my bad i meant to hiplop wagon.


You ain't gettin better descent. not by long shot.

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decent get scum points...

I still want my molla lynch.

someone please explain the cobbler wagon to me kaythx

Still no comment that about me thinking you're scummy when you think I am obvtown? Either you're skimming, purposefully ignoring me, or extremely obtuse.

Major Hand of Suspicion on Kcda

until he acknowledges my existence.

I would but your case is stupid.

I'm trying to get bandwagons going to help confirm or rebuke my thoughts on who is scum. Pressure either makes diamonds or crushes scummy rocks.

right now? not having too much effect.

I've seen a off case on hiplop, i just never got it. Agreeing thoo he has been scummy.

I just want to know why him Vs. Molla? or any of the other wagons i've done.

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@ KCDA, you are confusing the crap out of me, please explain what you mean.

what was the post before mine?

what did you do in that post?

let the magic of logic take you to enlightenment oh newbie wayward soul from a arcane land.

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I like de cobbler wagon thoo...

he hasn't made me feel any better since the first time i FoSed him.

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Donjosh needs to post more.

AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE THAT HASN'T POSTED DANGIT.

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... FUCK... I wanna call Cobbler town but he was like this as scum...

I DONNO WHAT TO DOOOOOOO

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Empking is town.

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Quil makes me nervous..

and maru is looking like lynch material as well.

I heart my molla wagon bestest thoo.

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My town read is meta. Emp does this.

Flaky?

Do you see me voting Link? no. He's my biggest town read so i'd give a flying fuck if he'd died.

I love the BS you throwing my way.

Maybe A little in depth here: Quothe Chesskid: There is no such thing as a absolute in mafia. just cuz i gave up 2 previous wagons DOES NOT MEAN I STILL DON'T SUSPECT THEM.

Someone did something scummier so i move my vote to match. As said I'm trying to gauge who's town or scum via pressure.

ffs a obvscum read can turn around by just one post or a short series of posts and vice versa.

PEDIT: This is why i felt uneasy about that wall of reads you gave earlier. you SEEM to be scumhunting but now you are stating to get revealed and some BS is starting to come out.

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I felt uneasy about you wall o reads earlier but left it alone.

The way you posted that gave of both town and scum vibes so i didn't point it out.

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empking is voting molla CSL.

Fixed.

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Maru had me shaky before, but Maru shall never be lynched. ever.

Though Maru, If you are gonna make a wall like that don't give out nulls like candy.

And I'm still confoosed on how PM is Null. NOT NULL-SCUM but null.

EH?

hiplop back off maru is town.

Forget what i said about PM... Please. >_>

Quoted for reference. Your original response to my "wall o reads"

Bolded for reference.

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note to self catch up in this game.

when you do don't forget a vote on molla kaythx

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I'm going to say Mist is town.

and i agree with you.

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Don't try to buddy with me kcd

kay.

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PM is doing it wrong.

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KDCA, are Cobblerfone and Hiplop feasible scum possibilities to you?

Yes.

But molla's where it's at.

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^^^

worst post

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depends, got a molla vote?

otherwise ISO me.

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okayokayokaaaaay. geez

Yeah hiplop IS scum.

8 posts with a lot of fluff, a lot of reads going around and nothing else.

Yeah cobbler is scum

1st 2nd and forth posts scummy, shaky null on ISO 4, ISO's 5-8 scummy. but his 2 latest read town to me. not enough to shake a scum read but hey.

BUUUUUT Molla is lynch now.

just read iso 1 onwards.

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srsly molla HAS commited more scumtells than either cobbler or hiplop COMBINED

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Whats not to get?

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Project why are you defending Molla so much?

It seems like you would do anything to not get her lynched. ScumBuddies perhaps?

HIM

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I have no idea what you just said.

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okay now i get it.

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LOL MOLLA BE TRYING TO PAINT ME SCUM

Hiplop: who's kay?

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Call me Kc or Kcda for future ref plox.

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I still think that the hiplop wagon is shit, but I can totally see why everyone else doesn't see it what I see in him. Having him at the top of your scum list above someone else seems kinda shifty, no matter the player, pretty much everyone has expressed enough actual casework to make someone other than him look worse.

BBmolla: Definitely starting to see the scum there. In particular, the case against the pretty townish Kc. First reads praise him early FOSes and actively calling people out, but now that the votes on him, Kc is pointing fingers and starting bandwagons, even though he already perfectly and reasonably explained why he was doing so. His style is erratic, but there seems to be a method to his madness. Strange that if he really consider all this so scummy, why not vote Kc? I mean seems more solid than the hiplop case. Afraid of getting called on an OMGUS? If he had some actual legitimate reason, he wouldn't have to. Or maybe he just knows he can't get the bandwgon going and doesn't want to try when hiplop is such a low-hanging fruit?

Hiplop is the scummiest on my list. I'd be down for a KC lynch too, but I don't want to vote him if I'm the only one cause that'll just waste my vote.

And same question to you, if you think I'm scum why aren't you voting me?

Will you idiots stop arguing and tell me why this guy is still alive?

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I haven't seen any case on either wagon that really stands out to me as having weight.

Your time'll come.

just vote molla and we can talk later kay?

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I still think that the hiplop wagon is shit, but I can totally see why everyone else doesn't see it what I see in him. Having him at the top of your scum list above someone else seems kinda shifty, no matter the player, pretty much everyone has expressed enough actual casework to make someone other than him look worse.

BBmolla: Definitely starting to see the scum there. In particular, the case against the pretty townish Kc. First reads praise him early FOSes and actively calling people out, but now that the votes on him, Kc is pointing fingers and starting bandwagons, even though he already perfectly and reasonably explained why he was doing so. His style is erratic, but there seems to be a method to his madness. Strange that if he really consider all this so scummy, why not vote Kc? I mean seems more solid than the hiplop case. Afraid of getting called on an OMGUS? If he had some actual legitimate reason, he wouldn't have to. Or maybe he just knows he can't get the bandwgon going and doesn't want to try when hiplop is such a low-hanging fruit?

Hiplop is the scummiest on my list. I'd be down for a KC lynch too, but I don't want to vote him if I'm the only one cause that'll just waste my vote.

And same question to you, if you think I'm scum why aren't you voting me?

Will you idiots stop arguing and tell me why this guy is still alive?

Will you idiots quit arguing and tell me why THIS guy is still alive?

To annoy you to death until you bus molla.

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Give a good case and I'll think about it. I'm fine with my vote right now because I think its right where it should be.

I still think that the hiplop wagon is shit, but I can totally see why everyone else doesn't see it what I see in him. Having him at the top of your scum list above someone else seems kinda shifty, no matter the player, pretty much everyone has expressed enough actual casework to make someone other than him look worse.

BBmolla: Definitely starting to see the scum there. In particular, the case against the pretty townish Kc. First reads praise him early FOSes and actively calling people out, but now that the votes on him, Kc is pointing fingers and starting bandwagons, even though he already perfectly and reasonably explained why he was doing so. His style is erratic, but there seems to be a method to his madness. Strange that if he really consider all this so scummy, why not vote Kc? I mean seems more solid than the hiplop case. Afraid of getting called on an OMGUS? If he had some actual legitimate reason, he wouldn't have to. Or maybe he just knows he can't get the bandwgon going and doesn't want to try when hiplop is such a low-hanging fruit?

Hiplop is the scummiest on my list. I'd be down for a KC lynch too,

but I don't want to vote him if I'm the only one cause that'll just waste my vote.

And same question to you, if you think I'm scum why aren't you voting me?

Will you idiots stop arguing and tell me why this guy is still alive?

in one post, bolded.

best case ever.

Better case? ISO him. tell me where statements of similar tone pop up. Then tell me weather those statements ACTUALLY FEEL town or are TRYING TO SEEM town.

That is why we are lynching him today.

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Hiplop looks loopy to me.

I see WHY to lynch him but i can't bring myself to lynch him. There's but townie things i've seen from his last 3 posts.

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There's been*

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They dont "Contradict".

This is mafia not Phoenix Wright.

D1 especially relies on reading between the lines. How to attack it is simple: Evaluate Town statements or statements you think town would make. then compare that to how scum would try to "fit in".

I don't know what you are expecting, we have virtually NOTHING to go off of, YES it's seems like a tall order to pick out scum in a situation like this.

OTOH, why is your vote where it is? what is the solid, delineate 100% proof that says whoever you are voting should be lynched? Odds are? you're guessing at it, maybe in part. In reality That's really what everyone is doing here right now.

PEDIT: stuff Like that. gives you a townie vibe.

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now again, humor me Ray,

Iso molla, read his posts. ask yourself, is this REALLY town or someone trying to fit in to town?

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wow... You really think you can get away by putting scumpoints on me with a case like THAT.

Oh you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO town.

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Oh my god i can't stop laughing.

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will you PLEASE see sense?

Maru, honestly. Molla's case on me vs. my case on him.

who wins?

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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiting

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awwwwww

I wanted banter. I has a sad

projectmatt? you're here banter with me.

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boooooooo....

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Love when all de scummy peeps paint me scum.

makes me feel speshal and warm and all fuzzy on the inside.

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he is. he's just too scared to bus his GF.

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Unlike you I actually have a case that has solid reasoning behind it.

Where?

If you're having issues understanding it then you need to figure out what you need to do to understand.

kay

Its not my issue if you can't pull something that's completely competent together in your mind.

haaaaa

As for ISOing BB I don't need to. Because I've actually been paying attention to the game and there isn't anything solid on BB.

HAAAAAAAAA

You stating ISO him is you not being able to competently pull a case together and instead you're waiting for another player to point something out so you can piggyback it.

my god what game are YOU playing?

certainly ain't this one.

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Nice of you to skip all my info thoo. way to "pay attention" there

@ mist yes even if no one is voting someone then they are scum.

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bad wording:

Someone scummy is still scummy even if they have no votes on them.

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because there are people doing scummier things.

Ray: fair enough. but you know that your vote is doing Jack shit.

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PS i have been giving reasons.

No one is reading them.

PEDIT: I'm still trying to decide if you are bussing badly, to scared to bus or just a stubborn mule.

PPEDIT: you too? damn. OKAY OKAY BRB.

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Right, My whole thing about BBmolla is this: In early stages of a game Scum NEED to blend in with the town as best they can and molla is doing just that. 17 posts. I quoted 10. Spoiler'd for sanities sake.

Here you go.

Spoiler: A case on molla

BBmolla

- You come in, with 2 full pages already down. Answer some RQS that was buried way down on page 2, meaning you obviously at least MILDLY read through the game. Complain saying the game is going fast (Read: lots of content), but tell us you don't have any thoughts yet? This yells lurky mc lurkalot to me. "Hey guys, let me answer the RQS that I obviously noticed meaning I HAVE read the thread, then say I have no thought on the thread so far, due to there being to much info in the thread." -goes back to his little hole. Not even an RVS to try to see how people react to a vote from you?
null-scum

Glad I wasn't ignored, was going to see how long till someone would mention my one post.

I don't have any thoughts as of writing this sentence. I'm rereading. D1 discussions are rather nonsensical until someone slips up. And then 90% of the time it's a ML anyway.
I don't like to participate in RVS, I think it's bogus.
I answer questions because I prefer them to random votes, although all in all I don't think responses to questions are all that different regardless of alignment.

PM is probably scum. The degree of seriousness was immediate and I find this tends to come off of scum more than townmembers. I've never played anything with him, so I'd need to compare his "tone" to others games. Eye on him. Not completely sure.

KCDA seems town for now. Town points for the early FoSes, actively calling people out like that without fear generally is town.

Hip gives no reasons for his "town reads". Nothing else really of interest yet, although he's pleasant and gives off a bit of a townie feel.

Maru is probably town. For the analysis. Subject to change.

Link is probtown. Responses seem legit.

Cobbler reads town to me.

Ray may seem anti town, but I'm pretty sure he always gives off that feel, having played a game with him. Still, worth to keep an eye on.

Don is null.

Honestly just waiting for this phase to end. I'll throw up a vote when I see fit.

First thing That caught me, 2 scum. everyone else? null town, null, nullscum. If you are gonna post reads like that? wait on em, let them develop. What was the point of posting a list of reads on page 2? If there were so many Null reads, why not wait until like page 5? This was a early grab at town cred, weird but excuseable until....

BTW, just so everyone's aware, we have 6 MLs and 1 NL until MYLO/LYLO.

And my timezone is PST I think.

First red flag. This was post 90-somthing. it was on page 4 WHEN THE VERY DISCUSSION OF THIS ENDED A PAGE AGO. There was NO reason to post this. At this point virtually 2 pages have passed by since his list o reads. no questions for anyone? no FoSes? This was a HUGE reach to seem town.

Yeah it's pretty late, sleeping clock is off.

Quil: Is that a random vote?

Why in the hell would you post the first bit? especially when so much had happened? No comments about me switching around my vote here or in the reads post either. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Ray is getting scummy. I hate 131 with a passion.

My PM wagon is dead so...

VOTE: BBMolla

only wall? "everyone is town."

NOPE.

Sorry about that I'll tell everyone to seem scummier to me.

BTW, just so everyone's aware, we have 6 MLs and 1 NL until MYLO/LYLO.

And my timezone is PST I think.

lynch.
him.
now.

Remember what i was on about? trying to SEEM town? TAKE A WILD GUESS AT WHAT THE BOLDED IS DOING.

If the above part is scummy, the below part is too. They're both just facts.

@Link: Working on suspicions, apparently I misread the whole town.

His defense against my vote. He damn near ADMITS that the second quoted post was scummy. and he never makes a attempt to explain why he posted it. "It's just info."

Alright, I've ISO'd the two primary wagons.

Cobbler doesn't bug me that much, I guess I'm just not seeing his obvious scumminess.

Hiplop does indeed bug me at a second look. Especially a few small things.
His response to being asked to give out his town reads for one, which he never actually did.

so you think everyone is scum* besides you and cobbler? cool

This was a totally irrational thing to say at that moment. I'm aware he mispoke, which is why I fixed his quote, however, his post still comes off as defensive and avoiding of the simple question at hand. What town reads did Matt give off?

I'd support Rays death, Kay.

The way this is worded bugs me. "I'd support a Ray lynch." Fine. But the above? Just kind of strange. Kind of implies he'd be fine with Ray dead regardless of lynch or kill.

Seems to be semi buddying KC also. In addition to the statement above:

KC is interesting; I think he has something going on, but I do agree with LINK and Matt. He does seems be making baseless claims, null tell overall though

This post is like "Well KC is townish but kinda not townish and kinda scummy so I think he's null." ...What.

VOTE: hiplop

This guy really has some explaining to do.

There is NOTHING in the case above that someone hadn't already said. He bring NO new points to the table.

Your vote on me is fine.

VOTE: Cobblerfone

Yeeeeeees.

Could you explain this original vote? I asked you to in #114, but I guess you just ignored it or missed it.

Your vote on me is fine.

Why?

Because I understand the vote.

What in gods name are these two posts? He understands the vote AND DOES NOTHING TO DEFEND AGAINST IT.

Why?

Because in the post I check out the top two wagons and apply pressure to one of them instead of ISOing every player and getting reads on everyone.

Why?

If you'll notice, my first batch of reads were garbage in #95 and I had to reread them to realize that. Nothing has been jumping out to me this game, so instead of letting my vote go to waste by voting a player no one else agrees with or just not voting at all, I decided to trust the town. Considering 4/18 are mafia, I decided the possibility that all three of the people on either wagon being mafia is very small, and that there must be

some

town on either of these wagons.

I looked it over, decided Hip does have some odd things about him, and put my vote on him, contributing to a building amount of pressure.

Buuut knowing you Quil, you just read the first sentence and didn't bother reading the rest.

... so you ADMIT you brought nothing new to the table? just your vote? mmkay.

First off, aplogies for my bitchiness. Part of it is from this big game, there's just so much to consider. I also just don't like day 1. My least favorite day by far.

@Link: I thought my first reads were off because I had so many townreads. Although, thinking about it now, it's not that hard to believe considering 14 of us are town.


Reads, they may be totally different than before.

Reads

Towniest

Link

- Definitely think this guy is town. He's been pestering me to give him more details, and even though he has plenty of reason to, has not jumped on me for not answering them. Always keeps tabs on everybody, focusing everyone in the game, which is really good.

Maru

- Posts a lot, which I find is generally a good thing. Also has been doing a lot of scumhunting, and most of it looks like legit scumhunting.

ProjectMatt

- His reaction to his bandwagon was good, and overall is just giving a town feel.

Cav

- I like his reason for his vote, despite being vague, "guns a blazing" is alright because I also find people who direct attention at everyone but them scummy. Just getting a town feel.

Tomie

- I like post 115 and 205. The rest is pretty much filler.

zMuffin

- Need more posts, but 160 seems good.

Ray

- He's playing very much like he did in my previous game with him where he flipped town, so I'm thinking he's town for now.

Quilford

- I have no idea. Probably town.

DonJosh

- Nothing really atm, need more content, hopefully Mist can provide. I don't like his lack of explanation for his vote.

Scumhunter

- The names a lie.

Sundy

- For sure scum, Post 170 is pretty much a scum admission.

I'm kidding btw, I got nothing.

Descent

- His case on Maru is garbage, so glad he's not voting her. Excepting Maru, his views appear to be very similar to mine.

Cobbler

- Don't see how he can see KC as town. I see a lot of things differently then he does, about Maru too. Not sure if this is just town with a different view, or scum.

KillerJester

- Can't really get an unbiased read. He's tunneling me for no reason. Hasn't even stated why he's voting me.

Empking

- lol. "Post a sentence. No explanations. Later."

KCDA

- Attempting to start bandwagons, pointing random fingers everywhere, his "Everyone should vote who I'm voting," attitude is just bad. I'd say probably scum.

Hiplop

- See here.

Scummiest

So then he scumspects me along with his target hiplop. note he throws the finger at me for Starting wagons and throwing around fingers randomly. mind you my vote came at around... page 5 i wanna say? these reads? PAGE 12. A FULL 7 PAGES LATER AND I'M WAGONING RANDOMLY? HMMMMMMMMM

I still think that the hiplop wagon is shit, but I can totally see why everyone else doesn't see it what I see in him. Having him at the top of your scum list above someone else seems kinda shifty, no matter the player, pretty much everyone has expressed enough actual casework to make someone other than him look worse.

BBmolla: Definitely starting to see the scum there. In particular, the case against the pretty townish Kc. First reads praise him early FOSes and actively calling people out, but now that the votes on him, Kc is pointing fingers and starting bandwagons, even though he already perfectly and reasonably explained why he was doing so. His style is erratic, but there seems to be a method to his madness. Strange that if he really consider all this so scummy, why not vote Kc? I mean seems more solid than the hiplop case. Afraid of getting called on an OMGUS? If he had some actual legitimate reason, he wouldn't have to. Or maybe he just knows he can't get the bandwgon going and doesn't want to try when hiplop is such a low-hanging fruit?

Hiplop is the scummiest on my list. I'd be down for a KC lynch too

, but I don't want to vote him if I'm the only one cause that'll just waste my vote.

And same question to you, if you think I'm scum why aren't you voting me?

Bolding this again. the tone of it SCREAMS of trying to fit in.

That case is crap. It doesn't mean anything. If you can actually put statements side by side and point how they directly contradict each other then there'd be something of substance there. But there isn't, so you're not building it. Because there's nothing to be built upon.

You're throwing a case to throw a case out there and pull a wagon on someone just to create a wagon.

That's not pro-town and it would be a terrible way for a town player to play.

Just to reinforce this,

Ray is getting scummy. I hate 131 with a passion.

My PM wagon is dead so...

VOTE: BBMolla

only wall? "everyone is town."

NOPE.

KCDA is just jumping wagon to wagon trying to get anyone lynched but himself.

and now here we are page 15 and i'm randomly bandwagoning. okay.

There you go. BB is scum.

now vote him.

[Kcdaspot]

I use chainsaw defense (as do some other vets I enjoy playing with) as a means to illustrate a player actively pushing to derail a wagon while persuading others to provide cases on other players without actually doing the work themselves. Its defensive in the sense that it protects them from blame if the player with the wagon is lynched and flips scum and also protects them from blame on the other wagons because other players provided cases in which they can piggyback.

Chainsaws are scummy as fuck brah

[Kcdaspot]

yeah well..

I'm not concerned that you don't like me. I found scum, You don't think he's scum. whatever.

[Kcdaspot]

That case is crap. It doesn't mean anything. If you can actually put statements side by side and point how they directly contradict each other then there'd be something of substance there. But there isn't, so you're not building it. Because there's nothing to be built upon.

You're throwing a case to throw a case out there and pull a wagon on someone just to create a wagon.

That's not pro-town and it would be a terrible way for a town player to play.

Just to reinforce this,

Ray is getting scummy. I hate 131 with a passion.

My PM wagon is dead so...

VOTE: BBMolla

only wall? "everyone is town."

NOPE.

KCDA is just jumping wagon to wagon trying to get anyone lynched but himself.

BTW i'm weaker than this?

Really?

[Kcdaspot]

hmm. To anyone who still thinks molla is today's lynch: do have any questions or issues about my case?

[Kcdaspot]

wow... ladies and gentlemen, the world greatest defense. *slow mother fucking clap*

[Kcdaspot]

oh i seem to mistyped it anyway

To anyone who still thinks molla

isn't

today's lynch: do have any questions or issues about my case?

[Kcdaspot]

my read on hiplop is null scum.

Why is no one voting Molla? I posted a case and everything.

[Kcdaspot]

but i am. you just don't know it yet.

[Kcdaspot]

hiplop plz don't fluff. you're still under the microscope.

To all Yes yes i notice is scuminess.

It just isn't lynch now scummyness.

[Kcdaspot]

No questions or issues fro me. I agree with Killer.

So you have absolutely no thoughts on anything else that's happened so far this game? I mean, coming from you I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised.

oh i seem to mistyped it anyway

To anyone who still thinks molla

isn't

today's lynch: do have any questions or issues about my case?

Yeah I think your case is crap. Coming from someone who is also frustrated with the lack of strong players in this game BB's tone sounds perfectly reasonable to me in all his postings and is no way scummy.

Yeah that projectmatt wagon is doing so well.

[Kcdaspot]

that girl with the nicknames hasn't posted for a while, so i don't kno where that town read came from...

[Kcdaspot]

mmkay i can buy that.

[Kcdaspot]

she still needs to post again thoo.

okay that was REAL scummy from hiplop.

i just gotta say.

[Kcdaspot]

I looked at her ISO and I can see she's town.

no way you were reading.

[Kcdaspot]

In that case, KDCA, I don't need to explain. She towntells with every post she's made so far.

not every. don't give her faketowncred. it just makes you look bad.

[Kcdaspot]

PM PLEASE vote molla thoo.

srsly all the opponents of the molla lynch just says that case is bad w/o saying truly WHY.

c'mon if it's that bad, pick it apart.

[Kcdaspot]

what game are YOU playing?

Tomei is town. NEED TO POST MOAR TOWN. but town.

and idgaf how PM treats her.

[Kcdaspot]

I think Pm is actually town... not sure.

I believe i had him as a scum read before too.

[Kcdaspot]

Ray Montano is a smart guy, listen to him.

no.

Stop being dumb ray.

[Kcdaspot]

this is empkings MO. Scum or town

[Kcdaspot]

this is empkings MO. Scum or town

If by that you mean my transparency, honesty and easiness to be read then I agree. If you mean my dislike of fluff, my support for all thyat is good, my understanding of the importance of votes then I agree. If you mean my preternatural brilliance then I agree.

I was planning to say I disagreed but can't remember why now.

srsly why the one liner approach.

[Kcdaspot]

unfortunately im of the camp that says it's not transparent.

really? i need to see more posting like 459.

ray if empking is useless sheep you're just plain useless.

[Kcdaspot]

no.. Idc much about one liners. just a little more deatail is all.

saying stuff like... posts 218, 386 and 452 just dosen't make your obv towness that obv. not looking for a paragraph a post. just a little detail into your thought process.

[Kcdaspot]

glad to see you see why we don't like ray.

molla vote?

PWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ?

[Kcdaspot]

UGGGGGGH

Just let me get this straight then.

do you read molla as newb town?

[Kcdaspot]

null? just null?

really?

[Kcdaspot]

not newbnull? or anything? just null?

i'm actually surprised.

why are you so adamantly AGAINST his lynch then?

doesn't that bother you? even slightly? that the biggest wagon is a grey area?

[Kcdaspot]

i mean shoot. to be so strong against his lynch id think you see something slightly town.. but straight up null?

[Kcdaspot]

there is logic in a decent compromise at LEAST?

you see that everyone feels strongly about molla? most are saying scum few are saying town.. (i think) but... you're on the fence?

isn't that strange? to you? maybe there is something to it when so many see the scum and you don't? i mean REALLY hiplop is a d1 lynch while Ray is endorsing hiplops lynch while on YOU and MOLLA is endorsing MY LYNCH (haaaaa) while on hiplop.

you KNOW there are scummier players than hiplop. Hiplop being stupid but CONSISTENT at LEAST.

[Kcdaspot]

Kcda I am really getting sick of you trying to coach everyone to do what you want this game. seriously. it needs to stop.

come at me bro.

[Kcdaspot]

Okay so.

[snip]

What does everyone think?

you, sir, are a idiot.


How much has happened? and you've actually commented on how much?

[Kcdaspot]

I should answer this.

Sorry, KDCA. I still feel like hiplop is a much better wagon.

BB'S most significantly scummy post is:

BTW, just so everyone's aware, we have 6 MLs and 1 NL until MYLO/LYLO.

And my timezone is PST I think.

it's not one post but how it looks in his entire iso. but kay

Which yes, I agree, sounds like feigned helpfulness.

To quote directly, I saw this

Sorry about that I'll tell everyone to seem scummier to me.

and this

@Link: Working on suspicions, apparently I misread the whole town.

to be legitimately frustrated towntells.

How so?

KDCAspot criticizes BBmolla's wall on hiplop, claiming that everything he had quoted has already been brought up. This is fair, but also considering if BBmolla posted "what they said" and voted for hiplop, he would look even worse. Giving his own opinion on the current wagons really was not scummy at all. Also I found bb's avoidance of Cobblerfone rather curious.

hello scumminess! (not from you, but molla)

Next in KDCA's case is a claim that because Molla wasn't defending himself and accepting the fact he was scummy was a scumtell. No, it really isn't, I would honestly expect a scum getting voted for pressure to legitimately try to defend themselves, instead of going "whatever, I get it."

Okay this makes sense, but shouldn't he try to direct people OFF of his (possible(snickersnicker)) mislynch and ACTUALLY push harder on his wagon?

Another problem with BB arises in (sorry, KDCA really should have put the post numbers in his damn case):

KCDA - Attempting to start bandwagons, pointing random fingers everywhere, his "Everyone should vote who I'm voting," attitude is just bad. I'd say probably scum.

This is a complete exaggeration from BBmolla. It feels like he just wanted to mark a read down so he could say he did.

he stills says this mind you and also note that he never mentions it when i DID jump my vote around.

All I can say is I'm not scum and if this goes through it is a day one mislynch, which is no surprise. I'll claim at L-1 or L-2.
I'll start preparing my final post to have some useful info when I'm confirmed town.

I actually feel like this is a towntell.

again how so?

Just felt like critizing KDCA's wall and examining BB's play in depth. The towntells weigh out the scumtells.

tl;dr BBmolla is null, I still want hiplop.

I'm sorry but after going through your post here i'm still stumped as to how he's just plain null.

Really well and truly i need you to explain your thought process when you say this: The towntells weigh out the scumtells.


BTW my other responses are bolded.

[Kcdaspot]

MOD: Fix that broken bold tag please? thanks!

Done.

[Kcdaspot]

Sup?

vote molla plz.

[Kcdaspot]

@muffin: i think meta is a terrible arguement...

I also think he's doing WORSE here than in that game.

why do you think that is?

[Kcdaspot]

Let me play this.

Maru, How many scum do you see on the Molla wagon?

[Kcdaspot]

Hiplop spitting true facts.

that post just says: "I think that entire wagon may be scum."

what?

[Kcdaspot]

I don't know. My main scum is Hiplop, and he is who I want lynched. I see you as slightly scummy, I saw matt as slightly scummy at one point but I am not so sure anymore, and I see empking as slightly scummy.

As for actual reads, I planned on re-reading and doing some in-depth analysis tonight after hiplop hanged.

AND THEN THERE'S THAT BULLSHIT.

WTH MARU? W. T. H?

[Kcdaspot]

after hiplop is hanged.[/b]

I had i slight scum read on you maru. it wasn't going anywhere.

Now? oh buddy. we about to get into it.

[Kcdaspot]

oh and matt is on YOUR hiplop wagon.

WAY TO READ.

[Kcdaspot]

oh and matt is on YOUR hiplop wagon.

WAY TO READ.

hurr durr. This is why I said he was a scum suspect of mine. BUT NOW IM NOT SURE

learn2read too buddy.

I said on the MOLLA wagon.

NOT the hiplop wagon

YOU lrn2read.

[Kcdaspot]

So who's up for lynching maru?

I MAY be but i still like molla.

[Kcdaspot]

maru: Cry more.

Empking: INORITE?

[Kcdaspot]

... TBH i'm scared to piss about a maru lynch

[Kcdaspot]

NO. You are not right by any strech.

I was in a C9++ Last game with a guy named Darkcoffeejazz.

You are reading like him.

He was cop. I Voted and started a wagon him for being anti-town. HE SELF HAMMERED.

Was town BTW.

Your reading like you fucking taking it seriously and you're about to cry/self vote if wagoned.

I'm not sure if A. I wanna risk it or B. you should even be playing if that's the case.

[Kcdaspot]

yeah i know your gonna ask so heres the link

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=18407

[Kcdaspot]

I said i DON'T like a maru lynch.

NICE READING BRAH.

[Kcdaspot]

Since when emp?

546 reads sarcastic.

[Kcdaspot]

oh crap... I misspelled "stretch" in 602.

I'M SURE MARU GONNA BAG ON ME ABOUT THAT.

[Kcdaspot]

meh okay.

[Kcdaspot]

^ not helping your case there brah.

[Kcdaspot]

I think i've been seeing it for about what 3-4 pages ago?...

hmm, I actually WOULD love to leave this for hiplops wagon but I CANNOT LET GO OF MOLLA SCUM.
UGH. Problem with this game: too many scummy peeps, not enough time to examine.

also KJ should tell you I've got you as leaning scum.

[Kcdaspot]

Too many scum...

BIG helping of wifom from maru.

PEDIT:

You read as scummy looking town.

better still Newbish town.

But that read can only last for so long. the past three pages from you are utter bullshit.

Molla's latest post.

i think it was a huge scum post. you?

[Kcdaspot]

@ molla and maru and hiplop:



Hiplop: no energy for it, and i'm kinda confused.

[Kcdaspot]

Maru whats your read on molla?

[Kcdaspot]

When? ISOing doesn't help me. AND DON'T POINT TO YOUR LISTS.

THEY WERE BACK ON PAGE 12.

[Kcdaspot]

Yeah, Maruchan. I think you're being a little over-confident in your abilities, your reads are still EXACTLY the same as on page 12. There more info AFTER those reads than before, and by a far margin. Its not even that you've just not posted them, your play reflects the same way as it did back then. I think you've convinced yourself you know more than you actually do ~_~

shoo fly, don't buddy me.

[Kcdaspot]

KJ spitting troo facts.

[Kcdaspot]

yeah it's just a general agreement with me.

[Kcdaspot]

just longer.

[Kcdaspot]

...sleeping on this..

i'm now willing to vote hiplop thoo.

[Kcdaspot]

I'm done with this day.

So this is what i'm going to do.

The way this day went if hiplop is scum i'm going to say that maru is town because the way that he played this day tells me that he does NOT have inside info on hiplop.

But if hiplop is town, one Maru or molla is going to be quickwagoned. end of story.

To maru: speculate on a molla-hiplop scumteam.

[Kcdaspot]

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDIKNOWIMIGHTREGRETTHISBUTINAEFFORTTOMAKETHINGSSIMPLEANDMAKEAGOODLYNCHHAPPENNNNNNNNNNNNNN:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hiplop

[Kcdaspot]

Noone else liked molla and i'd just rather make this simple.

While competeing wagons ARE good if left in deadheat for too long we may end up lynch a 3rd party who isn't really that scummy our heads would be too fried

also maru: again speculate on hiplop-molla scumteam.

[Kcdaspot]

Again. If Hiplop is scum, maru isn't scum.

[Kcdaspot]

I like my new stance.

[Kcdaspot]

nah that wasn't a scum slip.

nah, I've pretty much accepted my fate. Town is clueless.

this was though.

[Kcdaspot]

maru stop failing.

good nite.

[Kcdaspot]

No she doesn't mention her predecessor. and was Quilford scummy?

[Kcdaspot]

Singer: you had a third iso?

[Kcdaspot]

OH WELL WAIT.

VOTE: singer

PEDIT JUST SAW THAT.

DISREGARD THE HIPLOP WAGON IT SUCKS COCKS HAHAHAH

[Kcdaspot]

Nope. Singer lynch is a go.

[Kcdaspot]

Reading links is pro. I links show a case where it was most certainly not a bus a well. As well as mentions of its accuracy by non-scum.

You also have two links to the same thing, repeated by the same person...

Backing up faulty tells is pro.

Meet 1/13. I will never agree with that as a tell for a case.

Preview Edit:

Nope. Singer lynch is a go.

Wrong.

@cavjj...good! We'll talk after game/thanks for playing! (now, shh )

CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Kcdaspot]

Sorry maru.

100% success when used right.

You're gonna have to go to endgame to see the flip but yeah he was scum.

CHOO MUTHA FUCKING CHOO.

PEDIT:

tee hee.

[Kcdaspot]

UGGGH

TOO MANY SCUMMY PEOPLE

NOT ENOUGH TIME TO LYNCH EM ALL!!!!

UNVOTE:

also stop sheeping me Emp.

[Kcdaspot]

I'm going to have a think about this.

[Kcdaspot]

Killer, that was awesome. Can we lynch Maruchan with this newfound momentum?

Vote: Maruchan

lol go for it.

I honestly could give a fucking care less if you feal like lynching me for making a list when I thought I had been asked to make a list (different game I now realize, sorry), then fuckin go for it.

...

I now have a legitamate reason for lynching maru.

VOTE: MARUCHAN

ohmygawdthatfeelssogood.

[Kcdaspot]

if you noticed? 2nd.

[Kcdaspot]

i just looked at my iso.

this is in fact the first time i voted you.

[Kcdaspot]

note too in my iso.

5 vote changes.

total.

wagonhopping huh?

[Kcdaspot]

maru is DEFINITELY not reading.

[Kcdaspot]

... missed the hiplop vote.

and to be clear in particular order:
Molla
Maru
Hiplop


Singer

Singer is out of the group cuz i think she responded better than you three. IGMEOHer thoo.

[Kcdaspot]

oh yeah. add Matt to that list.

and that list is supposed to be in

no

particular order.

and that's my lynch pool.

[Kcdaspot]

^ Shut it you.

[Kcdaspot]

Emp when you get time: who's bussing?

[Kcdaspot]

Scumhunter is town..

thoo i have NO idea where the Ray read came from.

[Kcdaspot]

Stop. Buddying. me.

[Kcdaspot]

kay. it's just nearly everoy post you make has been in agreement with me. nearly.

[Kcdaspot]

mmkay.

Junpei!

MAKE A BIG POST PLZ.

[Kcdaspot]

I hate this game.

hate it with a passion.

[Kcdaspot]

... I think Junpei is town.

[Kcdaspot]

Donjosh was RVS, but in part a good vote to start with in any case (he was scum last game i was in with him so... yeah.). I noted cobbler jumping on a bandwagon and so i FoSed him. don answered me with a satisfiying response and so i could jump from my RVS to my FoS.

anything else?

[Kcdaspot]

My FoS on projectmatt was because it looked like he was painting a scumspect there. Better explaination: looked as though he was trying to start a wagon w/o voting his target.

[Kcdaspot]

And finally to address the case:

Also i address the problems you had with it. if I left something out tell me.

Point 1: There were 8 reads there out of 17 suspects, most of the game hadn't posted yet. On top of that it is early on so it shouldn't raise any eyebrows to see many people null/town, considering you have been spewing "town, scum!" all day. Hypocrite much? Or is list form what got you despite the fact he came in a bit late and had to make a catch up post so people knew where he stands?

If they were so middle of the road like that why wouldn't he let them develop and only give out like say 1 or 2 early clean reads? Why the list THAT early? I can't justify it any way else but as a blatant attempt for town points.

Point 2: Yes I agree, he should be questioning people, but it was only four hours and 20 so posts since his last post and that isn't a lot. Also that "discussion" was still a viable thing to bring up and was helpful to some degree to say.

What needed to be said was said, and he brought nothing new to it. just playing up some info there.

Point 3: That was in response to this and was because he wasn't sure of his timezone. Oh look, there's one of those questions you wanted him to make. Not scummy, you are over-exaggerating things.

It still wasted a good post where he could have been asking someone a question or explaining a read. He's just buying time there with that.

Point 4: No he didn't... once again you are over-exaggerating it. It was CLEARLY a hypothetical.

"IF The above part is scummy the below part is too." hmmmmmmmm...

Point 5: Actually those points are not all restating what others have said. The first one for example elaborates more than others did.

No. He was trying to justify it with a quick case on him. It all just feels like a ton of forced to me.

Point 8: Uh what? These reads are well put together and you DO wagon randomly.

Point 10: Already said this. See point 8.

See my first 2 responses to you.

So I don't really like your BBmolla case at all

okay, opinions and what not.

[Kcdaspot]

one last thing about cobbler: It just looked like a bad vote on a worse wagon. in any case it was just first page.

PEDIT:

I"M A FUCKING GUY.

[Kcdaspot]

no. insinuate that again and i'm going to kill you by shooting you in the face through your monitor over standard TCP/IP.

[Kcdaspot]

Honestly How in the name of god's beautiful green earth is that game related?

srs question.

[Kcdaspot]

YEAH YOU WERE HERE UNTIL JUST NOW. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM? ANSWER ME PUNK!

[Kcdaspot]

asks me if i'm gay and then runs off.

what in the flying fuck is he trying to pull?

[Kcdaspot]

22

[Kcdaspot]

He's stalking me and wants a date.

GET BACK ON THE GAME SON.

[Kcdaspot]

Honestly How in the name of god's beautiful green earth is that game related?

srs question.

[Kcdaspot]

I ask again and he runs away.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Kcdaspot]

Scumhunter, if KDCA claimed to be a homosexual 22 year old female would it matter to you at all? I don't understand what KDCA could claim to be that would make you think he is scum.

I <3 lesbians.

I have a hypothesis that being attracted to a penis is an indicator of poor logical deduction skills. Anyway I'll shut up before I just lead to more derailing the game.

PM, y so srs?

That is a load of bull.

look at reckoner.

also, see i knew molla cared. <3

[Kcdaspot]

I'm drooling for molla's blood again...

OOOOOOOO wannavotehimwannavotehim.

BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL VOTE WITH ME ;_;

[Kcdaspot]

FUCK IT.

VOTE: MOLLA

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Kcdaspot]

kay now dismantle link's

go on white knight him.

[Kcdaspot]

Hey guys, we've made the Records

Remind me to link us up after the game

WHY MUST YOU COMPETE WITH EVERYONE ELSE TO BE SCUMMIEST?

FFS i think you're just trying to distract us enough from lynching until deadline.

[Kcdaspot]

i mean shit we got 8 days and instead of being decisive you're being divisive.

Why u doin that maru

[Kcdaspot]

your posts.

Particularly this time with your "records" post. (Which we didn't break any.) It almost feels like you're trying to split my vote. or THE vote rather.

see, All town has to do is decide on one target. Now what i think is going on is that scummaru is trying to be scummy in spots and towntell in others so that it would have a polarizing effect on town and instead of focusing on one scum town's focus is split and everything is haywire.

Now I've thought about this for a bit and a question pops up: "what happens when deadline hits and no lynch is reached?"
Well..

10. What happens at deadline? The Day ends with NO LYNCH and the game proceeds to Night.

In the face of this:
A. Molla and maru could be scum partners. first post maru makes after my vote on molla? This pointless POS. It feels like you're trying to divide the attention.
B. (this one kinda bugs me) Junpei and Molla come up a possible team. Why would you white knight someone to the point of calling the attacker lynch now scum? Again i don't like this theroy simply because my town read on junpei hasn't gone much of anywhere yet. but his vote on me isn't helping a thing ESPECIALLY it being this close to deadline. so it's still worth a mention.
in either case,
C. Molla is a scum PR. If either A or B is true why would scum go out of their way to defend Molla? I'm thinking he's sitting on something big, and if i can't get a lynch on him i will push for a claim.

there you go. discuss

[Kcdaspot]

the first bit is @ maru but yeah.

[Kcdaspot]

you're not helping me a whole lot there hiplop.

[Kcdaspot]

i think molla is the ninja.

[Kcdaspot]

nice job not reading.

PEDIT:

So is molla Town or scum? i cannot allow you to say null. Though i'm willing to allow a Null-town/null-scum read if provided a good explanation.

and yes. > one week = close to deadline.

[Kcdaspot]

that last bit made sense right?

PEDIT: lookin for a modkill?

[Kcdaspot]

Also way to not respond to my post.

[Kcdaspot]

This ain't a mini.

PEDIT: Children. Hush. Play nice.

[Kcdaspot]

^ I have to agree with this though

[Kcdaspot]

I think BBmolla is scummy, but my reasons for wanting him dead are complicated. Also maruchan stop derailing the thread, we are classifed as a large game, we have like 18 players.

why "complicated"?