Newbie 1170: DarthYoshi's Medieval Mafia! (Fin--Who won?!)

[Fakinha]

/confirm

[Fakinha]

I'll put that on spoiler because it is offtopic and big. No problem with the offtopic, but it's a unnecesary wall of text. I like questionaries so I answered :)

Spoiler: Questionary of DaLetterEl

1 - I'm town :D
2 - M/20/Rio de Janeiro Brazil. Do me a favor and don't start with "UEHAUEHAUHEBRBRBRBR". I think it is GMT-3, dunno.
3 - That's a stupid question, lol. My mother language is Portuguese-BR.
4 - I played some mafia within brazilian foruns and since people play pretty bad and is pretty boring there, I went here. I moded (and am currently moding) some mafias on the other forum.
5a - I'm seme.
5b - I'm seme. But I'm lazy.
6 - White.
7 - LyingBrain. C'on, lying is bad and scum.
8 - I love basketball and ping-pong, but I sleep and read manga, basicaly.
9 - I play C-Ryougi.

Now to the RVS VOTE: Shinki
Cuz she's a Makai goddess and scums came from hell.

[Fakinha]

Fakinha, why is white your favorite color? You realize that mafias typically are portrayed as wearing white button-down shirts, correct?

I would like to note to everyone that my color test has only failed me once. So you all should be very careful with how you answer it!

White is peace, red is blood. I see a scum trying to manipulate information.
UNVOTE: Shinki
VOTE: Letter

[Fakinha]

I like peace and peacefull things but that's not why white is my favourite color. I just like thing that makes me feel relaxed like white or the light blue, lol. But red is violence and... ok, why are we arguing abou colors again?
We are still on RVS, so whatever, just be carefull so no one gets on L-1 too early.

@sorgsters
Town - Lynch scums
Scum - Kill townies

Rather complex, I'd say.

[Fakinha]

Y u so fixed on 2nd page votes, Zemelo?

[Fakinha]

there seems to be an activity overview thing below page numbers. that seems to have number of posts, as well as if you press the number of posts that a person has, you get to see all of their posts in chronological order

response to lyingbrian tomorrow

Oh that's usefull, thanks.

And...
@duckhunter, you can quote/multiquote by clicking on the "quote"/"Q+" on the top right side of each post.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Painkiller You have a gun and said nothing at all, I don't like your atitude. What's you favourite co-
Don't you have anything to say about the game?

[Fakinha]

I'm eager to see Lying Brain's response to Letter's post.
But I must that you look a little too friendly townie, Letter. Trying too hard, maybe?

And no one have anything else to say?

[Fakinha]

But I must say*

[Fakinha]

If you can't even understand what I said, then we have a problem ;/
Think by yourself about it, I personaly don't like to follow someone just because he has more experience.
And what I said doesn't mean great thing anyway, just a feeling about you. If you're passing town vibes, be happy.

That HUGE wall of text was totally unecessary, you don't need to explain all about yourself.
Now I wait for what the others have to say.

[Fakinha]

Ain't you agreeing too much with what other people say, Duckhunter?
Ok to agree but, why to repeat what I've just said? That's weird.

Waiting, waiting, waiting...

[Fakinha]

L-2.

[Fakinha]

No, wait, my mistake. L-1. LyinBrain's vote wasn't in the tag so I overlooked.
Watch out for hammers.

[Fakinha]

White is peace, red is blood

honestly it was just because this sentence just struck me the wrong way and sounded scummy to me.

Can you believe this post?

@Cjdrum, duckhunter got 2 votes because you and sorgster unvoted, he was at L-1 before.

I, cjdrum and sorgster are town.
Lying brain is almost town
DLE is weird
Duck is almost scum

Discuss?

[Fakinha]

I am quite unsure as to why everyone thinks I'm scum, I understand I sheeped a little bit but I dont think that qualifies as scum. As there are 7 town and 2 scum in this game. The townies should sheep.

Ok, aside defending yourself and sheeping, can't you do any usefull comment?

Discuuuusss peoopleeee... speak, vote, whatever...

[Fakinha]

@sorgster I'm not shipping with anyone I think is town, I sheep when people I think are town disclaim my ideas before able to so I can either agree or change my ideas. Changing my ideas would be even a worse option then shipping because I wouldn't be playing my game I would be playing my game according to the disclaiming of other peoples ideas

Wat? Who do you think are scum and who do you think are town? And why?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Shinki
So, you gonna read and post something usefull or not?

[Fakinha]

@DLE
I think LyingBrian (oh god, I always read as lying BRAIN) is focusing too much on you, DLE, too much. That's the only strange vibe I got from his play.

@Deas
Cjdrum and Sorgster go straight to the point and what is necessary to say (imo). I think they are pretty much town.

@Shinki
dwi *put glasses*

UNVOTE:

Also, the Zemelo sheep wasn't all that bad, a random wagon at the start of the game can be very. very usefull, but duckhunter didn't change his way of playing after the wagon pressure failed (and Zemelo got replaced anw).

[Fakinha]

I don't have any town reads atm, mostly null.
Scum cookies go to duckhunter.

Srsly? No town read? Can't believe. There are plenty of posts for you to get an opinion.
VOTE: Shinki
Stop lurking, scum.

[Fakinha]

I know how Shinki is, lemme vote ): I'm lost here, so I might go random sometimes, I apologise.
UNVOTE:

But srsly... idk what to think... feel frustrated.

[Fakinha]

@Brian So just because we agreed on a point it makes us have some sort of relationship? When I made that statement, people already were pressuring him. If we were a team I think siding with him at that point would be extremely dangerous and stupid. Again, I only agreed with him about the wall texts part, not about his sheeping (the main reason people are finding him scum).

@Fakinha you are asking Shinki about town read, but how about yours? Any ideas?

[url=http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3498453]#86]

And I know Shinki just as I know painkiller from another foruns (though I only saw painkiller play once), I love to call Shinki scum (it became a friendly meme) and was on a very, very random day full of pizza and Melty Blood.

But then again, it doesn't really need a vote, but judging who you are, Shinki, I doubt you do not have your own reads. If you don't want to talk about it yet, then that's ok as no one here think it's time to start this kind of discussion yet. I know you must be bored about this mafia, but you can contribute a lot more than that.

[Fakinha]

#86*
@painkiller

[Fakinha]

I don't see why #33 is scummy. But I do know that Shinki can be a lot more usefull than that.
And... sheesh, I don't understand why so much comotion about me voting and unvoting Shinki. My vote was like "hey, give some atention to the game, will ya?". Cuz I know she's with time enough to play this.

Also, I liked very much of your #156, Kirby, wellcome to the game.

@Deas
About duck, I'd say its 50/50 odds of scum. Or he is a scum or a bad town. I particulary would prefer to lynch more confirmed scum, but I don't see anyone else worth of a lynch.
Maybe painkiller.

[Fakinha]

Also, @sorg, Pain, Shinki, Fakinha: Why are you not voting for duck? This goes beyond not wanting to hammer yet. Why didn't you vote for him before?

I do him voted before, but I'm not gonna vote now or I'll hammer (though I personaly like to end things fast :s).

@Sorgster
Either you misinterpreted very badly Shinki's post or you're trying to distorce her words. That's really not cool.
Explain us how you interpreted her post that way?

@kirby
I think everyone is equally neutral at the moment, aside from duckhunter. Sorgster were town on my eyes, but I disliked his lasts posts.

hmm... no, judging from meta... I'd say that Shinki is more town than scum. But that's just speculation. tr

[Fakinha]

Oh. I know the logic is flawed. I was baiting you and hoping you would say a pr role thus guaranteeing you as scum.

Worst pressure post I've ever read. He just claimed town, didn't give us a role... why did you post that? Just continue the pressure. Sigh...
Day 17 I'm gonna ISO everyone and find the scums. Tomorrow I'll go to an anime event, so no maf for me.

[Fakinha]

Hmm... Kirby, your reason for vote on Shinki is way too weak.
And Shinki, IGMEOY. You didn't play like town on the first day.

[Fakinha]

I don't have anything usefull nor helpfull right now ):
I just go posting and posting and things happens. But I'm with Persona 4 on my PS2, so there's no way I can concentrate on anything

[Fakinha]

Shinki, what do you think about duck flipping town?

@Deas
I suspect Shinki. Because I played a lot with her and I don't see a town vibe from her game on day 1. However, that can be because she was very absent on this game. In any case, I'll see how the day develops.
Aside Shinki's meta... nothing, really. There are many little things to considerate but no great opinion formed, yet.

[Fakinha]

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I am disappoint. with you, not duck

That's the kind of post that make me want to lynch you.

@Deas
Nope, sometimes it's better to keep some infos to yourself and do a better analysis. And it's really nothing much, I'm not giving the attention this game deserves. But I'm almost done with P4 =D. Love Adachi.

[Fakinha]

Why? That's scummy of me?

Yes, bot another kind of scum ;/

VOTE: Kirbyoshi

[Fakinha]

@Deas
I don't really know, but if I were to take I move based from the posts, I think #240 is ok. And yes, I'm mostly sheeping...

But to be honest, my gut says Shinki is scum.

I will unvote so kirbyoshi leaves L-1, too early for sudden hammers.

UNVOTE:

[Fakinha]

Your "gut" is sooo wrong sometimes, apparently it does not work here

Who knows... usually when I do shit is because I ignore my gut. (Or Kioh is the mod, haha)

I'm on the last dungeon on P4, fusion persona takes a lot of time and I'm perfectionist with them.

[Fakinha]

Ok, finished my 1st run on P4 and did a very quick ISO of Shinki, DLE, Deas and Kirbyoshi.

ATM, I got mostly null reads from them, but looking at the vote count, I'd say either Deas and Shinki are scum or DLE and Kirbyoshi.
Just some probably full of flaws logic I used there, but who knows?

More accurate opinions, you will all get tomorrow.

[Fakinha]

You should try the lottery too

I'm too lazy for that.

Ok, finished my 1st run on P4 and did a very quick ISO of Shinki, DLE, Deas and Kirbyoshi.

ATM, I got mostly null reads from them, but looking at the vote count, I'd say either Deas and Shinki are scum or DLE and Kirbyoshi.
Just some probably full of flaws logic I used there, but who knows?

More accurate opinions, you will all get tomorrow.

I think the problem with your proposed scum teams is that it's assuming that mafia won't suspect/vote for/attack each other. I know that I'm speculating here, but maybe shinki's attack on kirbyoshi and certainty that he is scum is because they are mafia and Shinki is hoping to gain credibility if kirby is lynched. I also don't see why DLE's comment on Shinki's behaviour change would make them less likely to be a scum team.

Is there a reason that Lyingbrian is the only player with a decent number of posts that you have not done an iso on?

I'm frustrated by how little we've seen of painkiller/gamer. If he is scum, we don't have anything to go on because of his lack of posting...

I'm finding the Fakinha/Shinki interactions a bit strange, especially Shinki's responses, but I don't know what to make of it. Does anyone have any thoughts?

Well, I second Shinki on thinking that scum will try not to attack each other, since there are only 2 scums. (Though on the other forum I play, scums start wagon to lynch their partners even on D1 to gain cred, lol)
Nice to see that you are the only one thinking different, aren't you?

I used the votecount to make that erm... teory? Not the comments. From the comments I basically got a null read.

I did a very quick ISO from the most active players, Brian ain't one, but I'll do good job after eating my breakfast.
And why bringing up brian? Do you suspect of him?

And @ Shinki

[Fakinha]

Read the thread again and... damn, am I that bad playing? Ugh... will fix that.
And... haha, it's funny how I tend to act close to Shinki since I know her and yet, I suspect of her. From other players view, this must be really weird.

Now w/o the offtopic, lets go to what I found interesting.

#182
This response to kirbyoshi... I've seen similar scum moves where the scum knows the allignment of the lynched and then use the "if he flips" argument posted on the previous day to attack a townie and get another wrong lynch.

Will do an ISO from everyone later.

[Fakinha]

Oh, and VOTE: DaLetterEl

[Fakinha]

Good points you have there, Shinki, but I want to see what DLE have to say too.

I'm very curious to see what lyingbrian have to say about deas, since he has a case on him.

Also... why aren't the votes being used for pressure?

[Fakinha]

I cama to similar suspects when re-reading the thread (tho DLE called more my attention and I didn't get so many points on Deas).
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DeasVail

[Fakinha]

I see a case on Deas, not on Kirby.

I FoS Shinki because I do suspect her. I don't see her playing like town, but don't know how to start a wagon on her.

UNVOTE:
Before Shinki or someone else hammers.

[Fakinha]

Fakinha, what made you change your mind about Kirbyoshi?

Re-reading the thread. Shinki only brings up speculation about Kirbyoshi.

Blablabla deal with me

Vela went up to nº 2 suspect on my list. Why you trying so hard to lynch Shinki?

And my final vote is going to Deas. Unless something happens that change my mind but I doubt so.

[Fakinha]

blablabla gut blablabla meta blablabla deal with me

Go for Kirbyoshi.

Give reasons to vote him better than Brian's for vote Deas.

[Fakinha]

Why not lynch Deas first?

[Fakinha]

@DLE
Of course I do, read LyingBrian case. After re-reading the thread, You and Deas became the main suspects for me.

[Fakinha]

@DLE
I explained on #264

[Fakinha]

Shinki played around 7 mafias or more.
One being mafia godfather, one being SK, 2 being doc and one being gunsmith. The others I don't know what he is since he's still playing or got replaced out and I dunno what he is. (Mostly of these mafias were on a BR forum)

So, um... you're not inexperienced, Shinki.
I'm starting to think that you're not being scum, just the worst and most despondent town play I've ever seen from you.

Shinki is on L-1.
Deas on L-2.

I don't like Vela's last post. I'll ISO him later.
Don't hammer, people.

[Fakinha]

Well, it's not like my opinion remains the same as the game goes on. But I still suspect her.
Vela's theory is pure opportunism. We (I incluse) can be right about Shinki being scum, but I'm not. Stop trying to buddy us to create a nice fake scum-team to lynch.

Do an ISO of Vela's and you'll see:

On the #276 post he says duck was gonna flip obv town (how did he?).

Then he keeps attacking Shinki and mention the possibility of us being a scum-team.

Later on #293 he takes back his vote and apologise for being newbie. Then he asks for DLE. Possibility of scum team or Vela's calling for a town to post something so he can sheep or whatever he has in mind.

On #313 he reply to me that lynching Deas would make easier for the so-called scum-team Shinki-Fakinha to nightkill. I fail to understand where it would make things any easier IF I were scum. Then he votes Shinki again.

On his last post he attacks me and Shinki again.

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That idea of me and Shinki being scum is sooo opportunist...

[Fakinha]

Why wouldn't you want to lynch Shinki? How can you honestly suspect her of being scum, but at the same time KNOW that she isn't? You've both pretty much said that you don't like each others play and you've been distancing with her since day 1.

??????????????????
- I think Deas would be a better lynch.
Deas, DLE and now you are at the top os my suspections. Then Shinki and Kirbyoshi and for last lying brian. I think he's pretty much town.
- When did I said she wasn't scum? Do YOU know she isn't? Because if so, you're scum, mah boi.

I dooo voooteeed fooor heeer beeeefoooreeeeee... why don't you get it? I won't vote NOW because she WILL DIE and I DON'T WANT to END THE DAY right now. Do I have to CAPSLOCK my reasons?

I don't see where mistaking tonight for last night would make her more suspicious, since the one she was talking about is dead anyway.

VOTE: Velazanth

[Fakinha]

I'm really sorry about the triple post, but Fakinha: What makes you think Lyingbrian is town? I'm nowhere near as convinced as you are.

Also, what does voting for Shinki before have to do with anything? Why are you defending your lack of vote for Shinki with the reason that you don't want to end the day when you don't even really suspect her? (She's not in your top 3, so why would you vote for her in any case?)

No 100% sure about hit but so what? Can't I think someone is confirmed town? Sorgster was 100% on my eyes before he died, for exemple.

Stupid questions, not worthy response. Do an ISO of me or whatever.

[Fakinha]

Are you guys serious? Sorgster was obv town. And for me, Cjdrum (now Kirbyoshi) was pretty much townie too. He is still low on my suspect list, but none here is confirmed town on my eyes like Sorgster was.
But I didn't thought Sorgster would die, I thought LyingBrian would be the dead one, since he is the IC.
And It's not because I disagreed with some of Sorgster's posts that I wouldn't think he was town.

LyingBrian is doing his scum hunt and I get a town vibe for him, sometimes I don't agree with him but I don't have anything on him YET.

UNVOTE: Velazanth
He won't get lynched anyway.

PEdit: Calm down, scum boy, we will get you.

[Fakinha]

Asking questions is pro-town. Suppressing them is scummy. So is actively refusing to answer them. Shinki=scum. Lynch her.

Also, Fakinha, I love how you call Vela "scum boy," assumedly simply because he disagrees with you. Smooth. Very smooth.

Seriously, no one read my posts to see who am I suspecting? ;/

[Fakinha]

Shinki played around 7 mafias or more.
One being mafia godfather, one being SK, 2 being doc and one being gunsmith. The others I don't know what he is since he's still playing or got replaced out and I dunno what he is. (Mostly of these mafias were on a BR forum)

So, um... you're not inexperienced, Shinki.
I'm starting to think that you're not being scum, just the worst and most despondent town play I've ever seen from you.

Hint for Fakinha: faking n00biness is scummy. I know you complained about how no one was reading your posts to see who you found scummy, but this is the closest thing I found. I know you don't want to end the day early, but is there anything else keeping you from voting for Shinki?

Yes. I think there are better lynch options. If none of them are possible, then I'll vote for Shinki.

And I'm not scum.

[Fakinha]

@Kirbyoshi
1st I thought of Deas, but seeing how much he posts and can contribute to the game (even if he is scum), I'd lynch You or Velazanth.
I said that because it's annoying to see everyone budding me with Shinki and saying we are scum.

[Fakinha]

@DLE
Sure I can. I'll post something concrete about it later.

@Kirbyoshi
...?? I think you mistunderstood me. When I said "I said that because it's annyong[...]", the 'that' was the 'And I'm not scum'. I'm not lynching anyone because he's annyong...

[Fakinha]

I did the ISO of Shinki but fucking mouse CLOSED THE TAB. Not gonna do it again.

VOTE: Kirbyoshi

She has very good arguments and Kirbyoshi's posts are totally useless and deflective.

[Fakinha]

I did the ISO of Shinki but fucking mouse CLOSED THE TAB. Not gonna do it again.

VOTE: Kirbyoshi

She has very good arguments and Kirbyoshi's posts are totally useless and deflective.

LOL! I was gonna read her posts but then I didn't /votewagon.

Do we need anymore proof?

Dude... *facepalm* I read everything and I made a

HUGE

post. When I was looking at the thread again and clicked on the tab where my post was, I clicked on the "x" and lost everything. And wtf proof? Make some usefull comment.

@DLE
I'll just quote the main¹²³ posts. Gosh I sumairize everything... fucking mousepad that kills me on dota and fucks me on mafia.

#238
#240
#299

[Fakinha]

Fakinha, I find your choice of post links confusing, as in my opinion, the things mentioned aren't really things that would make me suspect kirbyoshi, while there are things about kirbyoshi that I find suspicious.

Why do you use Shinki's posts? Why not consider why I find kirbyoshi suspicious?

Because I did an ISO of Shinki's posts, not yours.

[Fakinha]

I was going to hammer but we still have like 6h or so. If next to 2h to the deadline no one chages to Kirbyoshi, I will haver if needed.

[Fakinha]

I wanted to hammer. Never get to do it =|