Micro 174 The Half Baked Curse GAME OVER Mage School Win

[Sugar Cain]

/confirm

[Sugar Cain]

Yes, Take a wild guess on who <3

hint: I'm female

[Sugar Cain]

Inb4 another MM hydra :V

<3

I'll start signing when I make real posts... Maybe

[Sugar Cain]

What makes you think that?

[Sugar Cain]

Inb4 another MM hydra :V

<3

I'll start signing when I make real posts... Maybe

as if you can't be distinguished from nero >_>

I lol'd @ this

[Sugar Cain]

Inb4 another MM hydra :V

<3

I'll start signing when I make real posts... Maybe

as if you can't be distinguished from nero >_>

I lol'd @ this

[Sugar Cain]

What makes you think that?

the two of you don't exactly have playstyles that are so similar you'd be confusing. this post might be Nero, but i think it's probably mm. unless you're scum Nero will be pretty distinctive.

Inb4 another MM hydra :V

<3

I'll start signing when I make real posts... Maybe

as if you can't be distinguished from nero >_>

I lol'd @ this

whereas this is most likely Nero.

and with that...

VOTE: sugar cain

tell me your main right now or I'm day vigging you.

[Sugar Cain]

Minimal (messiah)
Amethyst Kitty (Mala)
Amethyst Actor (TAM)
Purple Raptor (Math Dino)
Sugar Cain (Nero)
MaraPim (PimHel)
Miss Destroyer (HD)
they can all be found here
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ms_Marangal


Slow down there, we only have one-shot, lets use it wisely though, I'm getting the vauge feel that I have played with you before... otherwise, how would you know my style?

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

this game is lurky. Do something so I can out you, scum.

[Sugar Cain]

It's too early to lynch lurkers, though :/

it's

NEVER

to late to lynch lurkers.

[Sugar Cain]

I think town would be better off my lynching hard to read/really scummy players but that's theory and not something that needs to be discussed and my experience is in mostly large games so I dunno if a policy/uility lynch would do much in a small game.

[Sugar Cain]

Also, we should play Civ V on steam one day Maestro.

[Sugar Cain]

Nero what are you doing? D:

I don't like either LAL Theory, both suck. I don't like policy lynches period and I think bringing it up is stupid

[Sugar Cain]

Nero what are you doing? D:

I don't like either LAL Theory, both suck. I don't like policy lynches period and I think bringing it up is stupid

I can spout my game philosophy if I want.

vote:TIP

[Sugar Cain]

So what do you think about the vote on you TIP?

[Sugar Cain]

I don't understand why being curious about people's thoughts on decisions that may affect this game at later stages, like LyLo, is stupid.

And who said that's why we were voting you?

I keep seeing you post elsewhere on the site but like half the players are ignoring this ame in favor of other. Our vots gonna sit on you tell I find something else to yell at.

[Sugar Cain]

WTF! so Many typos.

[Sugar Cain]

WTF! so Many typos.

[Sugar Cain]

Have Shana and Maestro forgotten about this game?

no, just scum lurking.

[Sugar Cain]

Have Shana and Maestro forgotten about this game?

no, just scum lurking.

[Sugar Cain]

IDK how to do this, maybe I'll just follow Nero's read lol

That being said, I'll let the pressure vote lie there as I find my own reads

where is Maestro? I've been looking forward to playing a game with him

Aeris feels townish

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

TNE is meh, but probs town, DP not sure worth looking into

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

Nero what are you doing? D:

I don't like either LAL Theory, both suck. I don't like policy lynches period and I think bringing it up is stupid

Proof that MM is voting for me because of this.

Do you see the bolded here? You really think that I'd fake talk to myself? Its obvious that Mara was talking to me.

+ look at the timing of this. You posted your questions about LAL in 42. I (Nero) posted 3 times and did not vote you.

Noeffenclue's vote on this is actually a lil' bit scummy since scum do this vote piggy backing all the time and it was an obvious false reason so it looks kinda lynch happy to vote without fact checking.

[Sugar Cain]

Yes,

MM

is voting for me. I understand that. I pointed it out.

Nero what are you doing? D:

I don't like either LAL Theory, both suck. I don't like policy lynches period and I think bringing it up is stupid

I can spout my game philosophy if I want.

vote:TIP

I am 100% sure that I am the author of this post and the fact the Mara didn't sign her post as Sugar like she's been doing is a dead should be a dead giveaway.

[Sugar Cain]

I keep seeing you post elsewhere on the site but like half the players are ignoring this ame in favor of other. Our vots gonna sit on you tell I find something else to yell at.

That's why I was voting you but now I think I want to kill NEC so we'll see what Mara has to say.

[Sugar Cain]

Sugar Cain, why did you lie about our vote piggy backing?

- f

except that I didn't.

[Sugar Cain]

You used Pope's same false reasoning as a reason to vote us (yes, he didn't vote us but he was calling us a liar) and when his reasoning was proven false you kept your vote on us. I think any reasonable townie would admit to being in the wrong once the reasoning was disproven.

vote:NEC

[Sugar Cain]

You used Pope's same false reasoning as a reason to vote us (yes, he didn't vote us but he was calling us a liar) and when his reasoning was proven false you kept your vote on us. I think any reasonable townie would admit to being in the wrong once the reasoning was disproven.

vote:NEC

it is quite amusing how you claim to be able to read our collective mind and want to "kill" us for our yet unstated thoughts

So now you're being cheeky and expecting me to read your minds. HAH!

[Sugar Cain]

Votes us with no reason given.
Nero guesses at reasoning.
"haha you're wrong."

By not giving a reason it allows for a lot of flexibility. By leaving a blank canvas it allows you to "agree" with anyone. Why are you afraid to commit to a reason?

NEC <---votes go there.

[Sugar Cain]

We have no case and are hoping others build one for us hence the blank canvas we left.
-i

FIFY!

[Sugar Cain]

:/

I said I didn't want that vote Nero

Mainly cause I'm actually getting a town read on Ffery

VOTE: TIP

I was happy with this one, and still want out vote to stay there. He's tried to fabricate a theory on why our vote was on him and tried to paint it something... not sure what it was

His little talk with Nero reads forced non-chalance and his apology is... Awkward

Ffery, talk to me why are we scummy? I'm getting the feeling that it's large Ineffective? What are you seeing in the posts that are mostly made by Nero?

[Sugar Cain]

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

No, but responses like that make me think that I'm right

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

Meta.

this reads nothing like Poetic or Popcorn, and I see fair more amount of Ffery Polygamist play. I am also not seeing popcorn Ineffective here

[Sugar Cain]

~Sugar

I hate remembering to sign >.>

[Sugar Cain]

No, but responses like that make me think that I'm right

~Sugar

.
Where's Cain?

Right here sweetheart. Did ya miss me?

[Sugar Cain]

I dont see why NEC voted for sugarcain but I dont like Sugar's OMGUS to it.

Why do you think its impossible for scum to attack me?

I don't have any clue what noeffenclue is seeing in Sugar Cain, but I think noeffenclue is town. Need to see more from Sugar Cain to determine their alignment.

We feel pretty damn confident about what we're seeing in their posts so far.

Roughly how much game experience do you have with Ms Marangal and Nero Cain? Can you usually get an accurate read one or both? Assuming you can answer that without compromising your main.

- f

Not really any with Ms. Marangal other than what I've read. A couple games with Nero. I think I can get an accurate read on Nero, and that neither of them has been posting is pretty disconcerting.

We've both been pretty active but I didn't post ITT since Mara hasn't been on the whole day and you know, its hard to discuss things with your hydra buddy until they actually get on.

[Sugar Cain]

I'm not playing to my MS town meta in this game. neither is Ineffective

Why do ya'll feel the need to change your meta?

All of this, and I haven't touched on what originally drew our vote. Nor will I for now.

And you never will 'cause you have nothing. On one hand this could be some bullshit reaction test. On the other hand (and what its looking like to me) is you're scum and by saying "I hope people are seeing what we are seeing" and expect another player to claim what they "see" and you'll latch onto it.

Other than being flat out wrong about our alignment, this is also extremely anti-town for a few reasons. 1.) No townie in their right mind is going to blindly sheep you. I see no reason for a supposed town (with a pre-made case) to not voice their opinion and attempt to convince the town that we should be the days lynch. And the longer you withhold said "reasoning", you hold the game hostage. Which transitions nicely to my second point. 2.) We have 6 days left. The longer you withhold said reasoning the less time that the town has to discuss the case on us and possibly/hopefully on someone else. There's also the fact that early game no lynchs are a bad idea so with holding reasoning and not allowing town to discuss...the closer to dl town will say "fuck it" and lynch willy nilly.

there's also the fact to you seem to be tunneling which is never a good thing.

[Sugar Cain]

I thought Ineffective placed that vote

and while your changing the bigger parts of your meta, there's the smaller, finer parts that's harder to change and the parts that I'm picking up on.

I'm polygamist Ffery was more paranoid of people around her much like her most recent post. While your posting amount significantly decreased (something I'm thankful for) Post 112 has that confident tone when you spoke to Orci in polygamist and post 91 has a similar ring to that "interesting" reaction test you did when Orci freaked out on you.

So yeah, Meta read.

I spent less then a minute writing up that "pre-meditated and thoughtful" post soo...

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

I dont think its impossible for scum to attack you SC, I do think its weird that you think they are scum for just voting you

and yet that's not it at all.

[Sugar Cain]

DoctorPepper-2 thenwearth, shana

thenewearth-3 aries, empking, TIP

Sugar Cain-1- NEC

TheIrishPope-2 DP, sugar cain



I think this is correct. I think what NEC is doing is so fed up with stupidity that I’m having a very hard time seeing town intent here. I still think its an excellent lynch. Both Shana and EMP seem to be coasting along quite nicely. Maestro either needs to be force replaced or lynched.

[Sugar Cain]

Guyyyyyyyyyyysssssssssss

I dont think we need to state the origional reason for voting because SC is digging themselves a hole and spewing BS

We gunna casebuild now --- talking with my other half

-f

Translation: We never had a case to begin with and Nero's calling us on our obvious bullshit and reacting which was our stupid plan all along.

[Sugar Cain]

hey look, a lot of bs and scumtells. When I get back i'll tell you all why we should be killing this.

[Sugar Cain]

Come on Ffery, step up your game. stop slipping

TIP, it's TVT neither of us are scum and my partner is too stubborn to see that they are town.

Nero is currently trying to convince me otherwise

Nero always comes off as trollish, that's how he plays the game. Surprisingly, he is able to use that kinda play to catch scum and he's a fairly decent player

As for Hydra head unification, my pride in that is circumstantial to each head. right now, I only have one Hydra where I would prefer to be called out as the hydra name rather then the separate players, the one with Mala might be going down that road as well.

I'm uncomfortable because I'm not agreeing with a fair amount of what Nero is doing.

as for us being scum because we are putting out vote on TIP, what makes you think he's town?

He's already tried to accuse me of voting him due to a disagreement that I had in regards to LaL then, when he realizes that his mis-rep on my account is false, he's tried to reconcile with Nero (which never works, he has a heart of steel)

Nero believes that Scum tunnel more then town... which I don't agree with, and most of his stuff afaik, is more to the fact that you guys are being Anti-town rather then Pro-town

~Sugar

Pedit: you still believe that he's town Ineffective?

[Sugar Cain]

And in post #57 Mara put down a vote on a pitifully easy lynch candidate, TIP.

hey, a chainsaw!!! Also it was already sorted out that I made that vote. Why are you seemingly not paying attention and rehashing old arguments?

Post #81 jumps to a conclusion about the reason for our vote, calling it a piggy-back

So I was just supposed to guess why you voted me?And when I guessed wrong I ws scummy for it? WTF is this shit?

Post #85 comes off...creepy. "I want to kill", not "I want to vote" or "I want to lynch". It's usually a scum mindset that phrases things this way IME.

From now on I want you to refer to me as Admiral Akabar ‘cause you JUST FELL INTO A TRAP!!!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=275

In this game the scum pushed me as scum based on using the word kill instead of lynch.

We spar for a couple more posts, and then Cain disappears. And we hear nothing from Sugar Cain until nearly 48 hours later.

ok, you (ffery head) disappeared after my 145 yet you were still posting all over the site. Why did it take you so long to respond?

1."why y'all changing your meta." - explained already. It's not "my" meta. I've been compromising my game parameters while I learned site meta and adjusted to a months-long game format, and figured out how to fit the style of play I prefer into this format.

Fair enough. I once played in a game with Mastin2 where he made a big hoo daa about changing his meta/game play w/e. While you can rightfully point about that you aren’t mastin2 I’m still wary of change in playstyle for apparently no reason.

2. "And you never will 'cause you have nothing. On one hand this could be some bullshit reaction test. On the other hand (and what its looking like to me) is you're scum and by saying "I hope people are seeing what we are seeing" and expect another player to claim what they "see" and you'll latch onto it." - purely defense by offence, which has been the case all along. He doesn't want to hear what our case consisted of. he wants to dismiss it sight unseen.

And yet you were given opportunity after opportunity to clarify, but you didn’t. Why didn’t you?

3. "Other than being flat out wrong about our alignment, this is also extremely anti-town for a few reasons. 1.) No townie in their right mind is going to blindly sheep you."" - hoping for a self-fullfilling prophecy?

ummm no....this isn’t Epic Mafia where players get lynched and bandwagoned for the hell of it. Unless you are a Matt P or someone with a super duper reputation you have almost no chance in getting a sane town to follow you on a lynch that you are unwilling to back up with a case.

"I see no reason for a supposed town (with a pre-made case) to not voice their opinion and attempt to convince the town that we should be the days lynch." - every new post he's made is a case on its own. I think he realizes this, and hopes to distract from it by handwaving about the unseen case.

That would be ‘cause there’s not pro-town reasoning in not playing your cards.

For example, lets pretend that I have a slamdunk case on Emp, are you going to help me lynch Emp?

"And the longer you withhold said "reasoning", you hold the game hostage. Which transitions nicely to my second point.
- "holding the game hostage". as though that is even possible while actively participating.

Have you realized that there hasn’t been that much going on other than me and you? Once you posted your “case” we started getting reactions and stuff. This game was not going to move forward until you posted your case.

2.) We have 6 days left. The longer you withhold said reasoning the less time that the town has to discuss the case on us and possibly/hopefully on someone else. There's also the fact that early game no lynchs are a bad idea so with holding reasoning and not allowing town to discuss...the closer to dl town will say "fuck it" and lynch willy nilly."

We do not have six days left. At the time this post was made, we had 10 days. This creates a false sense of urgency, in the hopes of getting other players to dismiss our concerns. And, hilariously, this section comes off as though he knows he is talking to a town player and making a plea for reasonableness.

I’m going to concede this since, as this head pointed out, we had 10 hours when I wrote this. I didn’t understand it was one of those countdown timers, I thought we had 10 hours starting May 11th. Still this game was not going to move forward until NEC pulled out her “case”

NEC, why were you so adamant that you did not want to release your reasons for suspecting our slot but you broke down and released your reasoning?

[Sugar Cain]

TIP stop posting.

Its like you are asking to be lynched every time you post.

I dont think you are scum because you are always like this.

-i

Why stop now?
And how do you know my playstyle?

I've meta'd you. And we talk.

- f

damn it

- f

Why did you meta him? Who else did you meta? This seems off 'cause if you'd meta me you'd know that this was my town play.

Why did you not consider that a towny could have an overwhelmingly strong read on a scum?

So, if we are lynched today, when we flip town do you think that the other players should consider you for a day 2 lynch, why or why not?

[Sugar Cain]

lawl, Ffery and ineffective think they are god tier scum hunters. Hell fucking no.

#81 SC did the same thing TIP did when TIP was voted by SC, which was drawing a conclusion for the vote. The difference in the two scenarios is that SC explained the vote after a few posts while in this scenario (regarding NEC voting SC), is that NEC didn't explain the reason, and only did after some time.

This is actually a very good point and shows NEC selectively scumhunting.

"No townie in their right mind is going to blindly sheep you"
Agreeing in this, though if a townie also saw what NEC saw, that is not blindly sheeping is it?

but no one knew what they were "seeing". Someone else could "see" something else and allow NEC to shift their reasoning.

[Sugar Cain]

Maestro has reasons to avoid the thread

The fuck is this shit?

[Sugar Cain]

Maestro has reasons to avoid the thread

The fuck is this shit?

[Sugar Cain]

Woah now, don't be putting yourself in the same position as us and NEC

and no, we can't come to an agreement on the other Hydra, nor can we come to an agreement on TIP. Cain really, really, really wants them dead and I want TIP dead

TIP, if you only find Aeris not townie, why is she at the top of your scum-list?

VOTE: Shana

here is our compromise.

[Sugar Cain]

~Sugar....

[Sugar Cain]

Because everything you say and do screams scum to me and I can't figure out if it's play-style shit.

V/LA until tuesday

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

hola drama king

FIFY!!!

[Sugar Cain]

but didn't say anything when Empking followed me onto TNE.

Emp plays like this regardless of alignment so he's nothing more then a shot in the dark.

I'd have to check to see if Nero was posting on site during that time

I was but I don't see a difference between this and NEC going long periods of time without responding to me.

He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not

Why should I? In my qt TNE was one of the 4 players that I listed as possible lynch candidates today. Mara claims this looks more like his town play then his scum play and I haven't researched him yet. On TIP, I don't even know what the case on him is. I've asked Mara to summarize it for me but you are anyone can do that for me.

[Sugar Cain]

but didn't say anything when Empking followed me onto TNE.

Emp plays like this regardless of alignment so he's nothing more then a shot in the dark.

I'd have to check to see if Nero was posting on site during that time

I was but I don't see a difference between this and NEC going long periods of time without responding to me.

He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not

Why should I? In my qt TNE was one of the 4 players that I listed as possible lynch candidates today. Mara claims this looks more like his town play then his scum play and I haven't researched him yet. On TIP, I don't even know what the case on him is. I've asked Mara to summarize it for me but you are anyone can do that for me.

[Sugar Cain]

Why is it scum coaching vs. scum trying to buddy a townie?

Also, do you even actually have civ v?

[Sugar Cain]

TIP is kinda fence sitting on us and NEC. Which may or may not be a scumtell since I see this often from inexperienced town.

nope, never played with him.

pm me when you are ready to play some civ.

[Sugar Cain]

DoctorPepper - 2 - thenewearth, Shana
NoEffenCllue - 2 - Empking, TheIrishPope
TheIrishPope - 2 - DoctorPepper, Sugar Cain
Sugar Cain - 1 - NoEffenCllue

vote NEC, Molla.

[Sugar Cain]

I'm trying to figure out if that sort of dissonance is town-like

You also say stuff like this, or similar to this that show that you are actually thinking things through, analyzing stuff, and talking about what you think about the game with your Hydra partner which all point towards a town-mindset

Which means Cain should probably stop advocating for you lynch now and that Molla should actually follow us onto Shana. I do find it interesting that He thinks that it's a TIP/NEC scum team considering that TIP is still a strong scum read for me, but Nero is adamant about him

Cain isn't going after TNE because I have a Meta-read on him as well. TNE tends to be more townier as scum than as town so.

[Sugar Cain]

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

have you not been paying attention to how I have been behaving towards you? you were/are a scum read, you were never anything less and the only reason I havn't been attacking you is because Nero is hesitant to believe that.

also, I was looking forward to playing a game with Maestro

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

Bb reads town to me. Empking is still a huge blank slate.

I dont see whats wrong with Shana though, the early posts werent exactly spectaclar but they werent scummy imo. He has been barely posting, but thats about it.

NEC, I missed this one, why do you only think the only town motivated posts from SC are the ones saying you are town? Reverse OMGUS much?

SC, how can you say NEC perpetrating a chainsaw defense on TIP is scummy, when a) there has been no flip thus rendering the chainsaw defense tell inconsistent b) TIP hasnt exactly been defending NEC all that much

Keeping my vote on TIP,

but I'm willing to shift to TNE if he doesnt post productively.

uhm...

ok...

Why would you move onto TNE if the reason you would be moving onto him is the same reason you don't see Shana scum? What makes TNE different from Shana?

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

SC, how can you say NEC perpetrating a chainsaw defense on TIP is scummy, when a) there has been no flip thus rendering the chainsaw defense tell inconsistent b) TIP hasnt exactly been defending NEC all that much

Did I say that? Sounds like something I'd say so ok. The traditional chainsaw is scum attacks town for attacking a scumbuddy. Through my "career" I've constantly seen scum attack town for attacking town. So in my view, a chainsaw it just a player A attacks player B for attacking players C. Player A is still very likely to be scum but its not dependent on player C's alignment like the old one was.

[Sugar Cain]

Who would you lynch right now BB. Nec, Shana, TIP?

[Sugar Cain]

A rolecop you say?

[Sugar Cain]

Why does his claim seem important? TIP claiming cop means that he will be most likely targeted n2, since doc can protect him n1, which in turn he'll still not be able to use his power.
VOTE: TIP

L-1

Thank you for pointing that out. Yes, if you really were the cop, revealing yourself now was bad. And if you really were cop, you fucked up bad.

So what is the correct play here? Not claim cop and get lynched?

scum pissed at cop claim?

[Sugar Cain]

I want a full claim from Shana.

[Sugar Cain]

Well SC, one of the things about being cop is "Dont claim cop D1", so if youre play was bad enough to get all this suspicion, yes he messed up bad

assuming he's town, this is not entirely his fault. What about the dumbos that were pushing him as scum. Aren't they to blame too?

[Sugar Cain]

Well SC, one of the things about being cop is "Dont claim cop D1", so if youre play was bad enough to get all this suspicion, yes he messed up bad

assuming he's town, this is not entirely his fault. What about the dumbos that were pushing him as scum. Aren't they to blame too?

[Sugar Cain]

yea, TIP is prob scum and might be bussin' NEC.

[Sugar Cain]

Bussing NEC? How so?

you are voting scummy as fuck NEC when Shana is CCing you and in your mind, lying. How does it make sense to not vote Shana.

I'm so sick of NEC posting out of hydra.

[Sugar Cain]

vote:TIP

[Sugar Cain]

idk, maybe. Why does it matter?

[Sugar Cain]

SC, was it dumb to push him? He was acting so scummy/stupidly/anti town

and? If he flips scum then its a moot point but town mislynchs are never totally the fault of the lynchee.

[Sugar Cain]

Bussing NEC? How so?

you are voting scummy as fuck NEC when Shana is CCing you and in your mind, lying. How does it make sense to not vote Shana.

I'm so sick of NEC posting out of hydra.

logically tho... If we were mafia and wanted to bus him--- why would we force shana to claim and let others take credit for the lynch when we could have kept the cop read on shana to ourselves and hammered him and killed shana???????

Sometimes you can tell town by who the scum vote for. It made no sense for him to vote for you instead of his attacker (shana). I could see scum last ditch and try and town confirm their buddy.

[Sugar Cain]

lol @ trying to paint me as your scumbuddy.

[Sugar Cain]

...

WTF?

TIP is def scum, I really don't see how he isn't. I also still don't agree with Cain in that NEC is also scum, his interactions with TIP don't make sense.

also, DP I'll be signing my post so those that aren't signed are Nero posts

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

Shana, Aeris, what are your guys's thoughts on Molla, EMP and DP

Molla, why exactly did you have a town read on EMP?

VOTE: DP

[Sugar Cain]

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

oh, TNE your thoughts on said players would be nice as well

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

In post 250, Sugar Cain wrote:

In post 243, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 233, Aeris wrote:He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not

Why should I? In my qt TNE was one of the 4 players that I listed as possible lynch candidates today. Mara claims this looks more like his town play then his scum play and I haven't researched him yet. On TIP, I don't even know what the case on him is. I've asked Mara to summarize it for me but you are anyone can do that for me.

Why were you ignoring tip and why did you need a case on him?

This isn't EM were we lynch willy nilly. I wanted to see a case

[Sugar Cain]

I ask for cases all the time.

[Sugar Cain]

Jesus,

I'm asking for thoughts because I'm trying to make a town block and get this to be a perfect game. I'm asking you guys for your thoughts specifically because, collectively, you three are our strongest town-reads. Shana is Obvious, and we both had a early strong town-vibe from Aries. TNE has been following his town Meta, and I don't see anything wrong with Slimer, In fact I like his entrance.

To say Nero didn't push anyone though is false, he was Pushing NEC, even when I stated that I had a town read on him and asked him to stop. He wasn't interested in TIP in the slightest, Especially after NEC Voted us. He viewed it as scum chainsaw'ing town

I also have DP, EMP, and Molla as my top three and Cain is pretty certain on DP scum so the vote was for him.

Molla is my top read though, but we are disagreeing with him ATM which is why I'm not pushing him

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

Pushing the person who made a case on you isn't exactly the same. My problem is that Nero hasn't really been questioning anyone. There was some early aggressiveness, especially in the case of TIP which could easily have been some early distancing.

and I come in, take our vote off NEC and continue to "buss" TIP more when everyone else was disinterested in him? I pushed him even when everyone else was stating that TIP was more likely to be VI rather than scum and I continued to question him Despite NEC's attack on us, only moving off because Nero changed his mind on him.

and can you really believe that Nero would start Bussing then, stop half-way through?

My read on Molla is mostly because of his interactions with TIP, our other option, other than DP is EMP though Cain says that he always plays like this regardless of alignment so IDK.

I'll give what I'm thinking when I get what Shana and Slimer say about the people I asked, I just need to know what they are thinking

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

and IDK where Nero is, I think he's been ghosting period lately

[Sugar Cain]

I'm not acting like a wall-flower, yes I saw your post where you stated DP was likely town, I am mulling it over. I need Slimer's thoughts at the very least.

I'm not saying your reason on DP is faulty because I'm not exactly sure which reaction your talking about, his reactions had us lean scum on him.

and those things are what you would do, not what I would do. you have the outline of my reads

I'm going to respond to everything, once I get everything I need

[Sugar Cain]

:/

Slimer, you had time to catch up to the game, where do you stand?

[Sugar Cain]

ugh. I'm sick of Mara telling me to post so when I get around to it I'll tell you why Aeris is an idjet and why we should be lynching DP today.

[Sugar Cain]

You know how I play?

adgoih fbs

who are you?

TIP attacks practically everyone

but

DP and EMP, both EMP and DP had TIP as their RVS vote which Nero thinks is scum early distancing

Nero thinks DP's vote is weird and him saying "I'm sick of this shit" is fake emotion that he used to try and gain town cred from

He will be able to explain this better

I'll give my thoughts and reasons RE Molla when I hear something from Slimer

[Sugar Cain]

I ask for cases all the time.

So you're saying you routinely sit on your hands asking for cases instead of poke at suspicious behavior to get a read on them?
Who do you think is scum right now? Why aren't you pushing anyone?

Way to ask a loaded question. Obviously you don't have much experience with me. I'm pretty vocal but when I'm being lazy or I flat out don't see it and want things explained to me then well I ask for a case 'cause you know I don't just randomly bandwagon like a ton of players on this site do.

We were voting DP. Why did you think we were voting him?

There is honestly nothing going on with how empking posts, zilch, no information whatsoever. Im not sure if this is disinterest or not but the slot needs pressure.

Why did you wait this long?

What information was given with 157 ? NEC is confirmed to be town.

This feels loaded. Being wrong=/=scum.

My predecessor said nothing of suspicion to me at all.

This is a potential amished tell. Aeris should have picked up on that. See? I can do that too!!!!

"hydra dissonance" so they can still be seen calling tip suspicious but

not vote him except early in game.

Nero needing a "case" to actually poke at tip and his scummy behavior even though his other head had a scum read on him.

This is some mad bullshit.

That's a lie 'cause we voted him once he was confirmed scum.
I didn't "need" a case, I asked what the case on him was to see if I agreed with it or not.

Hmm, when Maestro replaced out, what does everyone think of TIP's reaction? Is it indicative of him being Maestro/Molla's partner and him being worried that he was being replaced?

uh ooo. DP is asking a question but not giving his own thoughts.

Shana, Aeris, what are your guys's thoughts on Molla, EMP and DP
Molla, why exactly did you have a town read on EMP?
VOTE: DP

Also, this crap, which is pretty much the only unprompted post this day phase.

No thoughts of their own

, except a vote,

but asking for thoughts

, which at least on my end had already been given. Looks like looking to see which way they can go.

dat selective scumhunting.

It should have been the first thing you did period if you and Nero have really been discussing it

lemme ask you a question here. Yesterday NEC called us scum and then dragged their feet on explaining why. What's with the cong dis here?

So, why not everyone post their reads while it's so dead?

more selective scumhunting. Slimer is asking a question but not giving his reads.

Yes, wanting my scum read to actually answer my questions, interact with me on what I've posted so far, and give me their thoughts so that I can get a better read on them is so idiotic of me

The amount of selective scumhunting and cong dis gives that impression.

Voting your partner in RVS is a rookie mistake. It's pretty stupid to do because people look at RVS for those very things.

yet new scum still do it. You're using the exact same thing to incriminate BB but we/I are not allowed to think DP did the same thing to TIP? WTF DUDE?!?

Were you the one that told Maestro to replace out?

[Sugar Cain]

Why did I wait long? Cause yesterday I was focused on getting TIP lynched.

I think this is one of those responding to the question but doesn't answer said question.

Day 2 started Sun May 26, 2013 2:22 am

You didn't vote EMP then

EMP posts Sun May 26, 2013 2:46 am

You don't vote EMP till Mon May 27, 2013 9:57 pm

What made you finally decide to "pressure" EMP?

Its funny how you talk about selective scumhunting, yet you've done nothing but the same, exemplified by your last post.

What am I accusing you of that others are doing?

I don't know what "questions" I missed but Aeris didn't answer any of mine so...

especially on neros end has been to attack or discredit their attackers

That's it!!! I didn't "trust" you or NEC. You two clowns are tunneling on me with a bunch of bullshit reasoning. You honestly don't see town motivation in town refuting bad arguments as to not get lynched? Do you believe that I as town should just lay down and die?

[Sugar Cain]

My predecessor said nothing of suspicion to me at all.

This is a potential amished tell.

Aeris should have picked up on that. See? I can do that too!!!!

Whatever Amished means, I think you're just trying to find a case on me that you can potentially hound me on.
And you're doing a pretty bad job of it tbh.

I was obviously mocking Aeris here. I thought the bolded would be a dead giveaway but I guess its hard to read sarcasam on the internetz.

So, why not everyone post their reads while it's so dead?

more selective scumhunting. Slimer is asking a question but not giving his reads.

I'd probably do better if you and Aeri weren't the only two in discussion here. Which I'm trying to get out other's thoughts.

What are you doing besides making up words and planting potential lies?

What lies am I planting?

[Sugar Cain]

What are your thoughts?

Already answered this. Why else would we be voting DP if we didn't think he was scum.

What made you vote TiP here over the, as you said, half of the players ignoring this game in favor of the other?

no reason really. He was the first that I noticed.

So, you call maestro and shana scum lurking, but keep your vote on TiP?

yep. gut reaction. You had the same reaction to Maestro lurking as I did, maybe NEC too. idk

Why did you need a case to push on TiP for scummy behavior?

again I didn't. *I* didn't understand the case on him. *I* don't do the whole "random bandwagon" thing and I'll only support a lynch if I agree with it

Why would you need your own hydra partner to give you a case on TiP?

you actually think this is some kind of scum tell? Jesus Christ on a stick.

[Sugar Cain]

. Why aren't you pushing him. You've given a flaccid vote with nothing to back it up. There's been no reasoning from you, no pushing from you to determine his alignment, no 'case' which you deem so important you couldn't even attack tip without it even as your hydra partner supposedly was wanting to.

You know darn well that I haven't been posting in this thread. Its fed up with stupid for you to blast me for not posting and then blast me for not pushing the DP case. Catch 22 much?

Oh you hammered him once he was confirmed scum.

Why are you lying here? It was DP that hammered not us.

Suggesting that we were dumbos for wanting to lynch him if he was town, etc looks scummy.

Are you referring to the post where DP told TIP that it was his fault that he was getting bandwagoned? It is NEVER solely the lynchee's fault for getting wagoned. If it was then there'd never be any town mislynches 'cause no town in their right mind would lynch themselves. (and yes I know that TIP flipped scum but I'm speaking in general.)

Again, in 428 Mara asked you and Shana about specific players. Players ask other players for reads all the time so I don’t see your point here.

Not sure why you are discussing EMP.

I also didn't "incriminate" bb for it

‘cause this sure as hell looks like you speculating on Molla scum.

TIP, however, RVS votes Maestro/BB. Since he's so new he could be early distancing with a partner. He never gives a read on BB though, except for asking me for my reasons to town read him to see if they match up with his reasons for town reading him. Don't know what to think about this. BB still isn't come across as overly fake to me though.

Why would you in any universe think I told maestro to replace out? I like maestro. Bet I know who did though.

Why do you think its so silly to ask you this? I mean this comes off as over defensive . Why not just say “no Nero, I never said this.” We know that someone did so who was it?

Instead of badgering Mara, why didn’t you just ask for a DP case?

[Sugar Cain]

oh hai there scum.

562 screams of contradiction. You say that its NEVER solely the lynchees fault for being wagoned. First of all, you said this pount was moot for scum lynches in 468 but not in town mislynches

lol no. Players don't lynch themselves. If you think they do then you are a moron or scum, my moneys on scum.

I'll respond to the LLD alt tomorrow.

I think scum is DP or Aeris, Mara thinks BB but I think TIP would be less likely to call a buddy out for lurking.

[Sugar Cain]

ohmaigodcain

No, Aeris is not scum

DP, re-read what I wrote I said TIP ignored you completely, that is until the end of the day the same with EMP

Considering that exactly four people have been really active, I can't really add to the discussion. But, since you want something, here goes:
Aeris
TNE
NEC
SC
Shana

His first attempt at saying who is and isn't town. look at the people he leaves out of the list

NoEffenCllue
Empking
Sugar Cain

His second list of reads

Sure, you had Direct interaction with TIP, but that was after he started to build pressure, the perfect time to do some distancing

you vote for him early, but then you don't even go on to talk about him you talk about TNE and NEC and what they are doing in the thread.

You weren't focused on getting TIP lynched, not until others started stating suspicion though the only thing that makes me hesitate is the fact that, at the end of the day you kept on pushing TIP, and your unvote when he claimed had a genuine feel to it.

~Sugar

[Sugar Cain]

Nero, I just made your case. Jesus

but yeah, we didn't say you ignored TIP, we said TIP ignored you and the fact that you and Molla are the only people he doesn't really comment on is why I think scum is in between the two of you.

[Sugar Cain]

Also notice how he deflected my question about EMP and is now ignoring it.

[Sugar Cain]

I'm talking about in the middle of the claim fiasco, your whole demeanor and interaction looked suspect. Then you pulled out the "what about the dumbos who wanted to lynch him if town". That looked suspect to me, especially now that he flipped scum.

misrep much? obviously this was a continued conversation about TIP as cop. Its started before Shana CC'd. I think blaming people is seriously fucked up "We lynch you because your play was bad." We lost the game 'cause of your gambit." These are excuses and they only come from scum and dumb town. Had TIP flipped town cop his lynch would not have been his fault.

It is defensive because I find it insulting. I can't believe that you or anyone would actually accuse me of harassing another player and telling them to replace out of a game. And I find your motivations for even asking me that offensive.

LOL. Why are you whining and crying here? Its a harmless question and for you to be upset about it looks like fake fake fake emotion. At onepoint you even claimed you think you know who did it, and yet when I asked you you couldn't tell me. Why not? We know someone did 'cause he was whining it about it? So what, you think TIP told him to replace out in his qt?

I mentioned EMP even though it was your other head who brought EMP up in the first place in which you supposedly have said to her looks like early distancing

I don't remember saying this but meh.

[Sugar Cain]

both EMP and DP had TIP as their RVS vote which Nero thinks is scum early distancing

meh. I see where LLD could get that though I'm pretty sure that it was more of a boilerplate. EMP is EMP. He'd be a totes utility lynch. So I suspect DP for it.

[Sugar Cain]

I hate playing with players like him.

[Sugar Cain]

You don't care that I'm a mislynch.