Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

So in short you're saying <gloss over the points that we've done our part in spades> and we still suck. That about right?

You mentioned TWO things you've done this game. TWO. Both of which at best were suspected scum of ONE team. Forgive me if I'm skeptical on your awesome scum hunting powers. Who do you think is scum out of the remaining players. It'd help if you sort by teams.

If you're gung-ho to prove how valuable you are, this will be a simple task for you.

And already I think this is far more than SAD's done. TMTOLBTWNTOF is a newbie, waynegg is from a different site. We've been warned he likes to dig at people who are considered mostly town because he's paranoid as shit, so I don't think attacking him for useless votes is a good angle of attack at all. And while we were in Day 1 doing our thing and sitting there calling him scum, he did something that Venmar did while he was sitting in that group of players, and that was to get involved and start posting in game even though no one anywhere was calling him town. And he kept doing his thing despite criticisms elsewhere, and while he didn't do a lot to get people to fist-bump and click with him, he did still do quite a bit of looking; his ISO is already longer than SAD's and KBW's combined.

[Nachomamma8]

and either way, we should probably shoot the one that can't die and have andy shoot the counterclaim during the night

[Nachomamma8]

and either way, we should probably shoot the one that can't die and have andy shoot the counterclaim during the night

My sword broke when varsoon failed to die.

OK.
I don't think MS's claim was serious. If it was, he can prove it by tomorrow.
If it wasn't, then we'll see how he decides to retract the claim.

[Nachomamma8]

I can't think of a reason for him to counterclaim you today or to claim vig like that, but if he wants to try that, then I better see 4 kills tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think you're reading my posts Nacho.

Andrius claimed vig who shot Varsoon and he didn't die; can't shoot anymore.
MS claimed vig.
=
Lynch Varsoon, have MS prove his vig power.

Hold my hands and lead me to what I'm doing wrong.

[Nachomamma8]

You won't see 4 kills tonight and I can't shoot anyone because sword gone bye bye.

Metal Sonic is the person who is supposed to make 4 deaths happen.

[Nachomamma8]

oh lord I am slow today

[Nachomamma8]

OK cool everything is irrelevant let's just lynch Varsoon ty

[Nachomamma8]

1) The guy who didn't die after a one shot Vig hit didn't kill him and there's a little less likelihood that he was protected by non-scum sources?

2) The guy who counterclaimed the one shot Vig saying he has plenty of targets?

3) Or the guy who's sum a sum total of shit (no, I'm not talking about the letters hydra here).

or the comical and optimal third option of
ALL THREE

[Nachomamma8]

I like Varsoon for today, personally.

[Nachomamma8]

Question before I vote. Do we want to utilize the full 13 days we have to work with? I'm starting to see this go in circles. With the lynch having been pretty much decided, I'm having doubts if there's going to be anything overly productive this day phase?

I thought I'd want to slow this day down because of the revelations to my D1 reads.
And then I realized that nah, not really.

[Nachomamma8]

It's not LyLo considering 3 scum left (2 red, 1 blue). Playing the "oh why is he still alive? he is scum!" card is a stupid sort of card to play this early into the game.

[Nachomamma8]

With your credentials, as scum I would have just used my strongman kill on you and been done with it N1 if you were town. But you're still alive and kickin' 3 days in...

14. RachMarie, Mumkhar, Mechonis Aligned 1-Shot Strongman, was lynched Day 3.
13. orcinus_theoriginal, Meyneth, Mechonis Aligned Godmother Neighbor, was killed Night 3.

3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

I'm not lynching any of these people. Most of them I'm not lynching ever, but there's too many people in here for me to actually say that.

Why would blue strongman kill me...?

[Nachomamma8]

It's not a surprise red won't either, considering their scumteam consists of Varsoon, who practically thrived on my defense of him and SAD, who's a dead man walking regardless of whatever the fuck he does.

[Nachomamma8]

I agree that we're getting close to the end, but I don't really think that we're going to lynch someone that's not Varsoon today. Do you think he was protected by a doctor? No. Do you think that Andy was roleblocked on the night he decided to shoot? Unlikely. Do you think that Varsoon crumbing to be bulletproof for forever and a half was just a coincidence? Nope, not at all. So Varsoon dies and I'm not really concerned with when he dies.

[Nachomamma8]

Its k, Nacho still being here makes me uneasy but w/e its Nacho. <3

<3

Because you're a likely doc target early on?

But I had two of them chilling in the TOWN BLOCK. I don't think they would be so ready for me to die.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay what on earth is this metal sonic wagon

This seems so weird

orc tunnels the fuck out of Metal Sonic until a wagon actually forms on him. Then there's this.

Rach has a similar reaction!

umm Orc i really have no clue why the MS wagon... could be a counterwagon? Especially if there are two scum teams....

Both seem like they are defending a scumbuddy.

[Nachomamma8]

In other news Nacho not being dead AND not even being shot at yet makes me wonder. Like, after D1, I'd be hard pressed to pick ANYONE but him to be shot.
Anywho.

guess I'm going to have to have another one of those days to convince them that leaving me alive was a mistake

[Nachomamma8]

But FIRST of all:

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

The fact this is still alive is a major major problem. He's been coasting scum for a century and a half, and it just hurts me to see him living.

The absolute ONLY thing that SAD has provided in this game on page 147 is a case on why Venmar is scum and a subtle chainsaw of RachMarie. That's it.

[Nachomamma8]

Ummm... We're only on page 141. I'm assuming 147 is the post? Who else do you like Nacho? If TD isn't one of them, why not? SAD is super low hanging fruit. Hell, he may even get the MKay if he keeps the no postie thing up. Why target him when he might go for free?

141 was the page, I didn't bother to check the exact number. And we don't modkill lurkers here; we replace them. Unfortunately, SAD won't be replaced.

VOTE: TD

I think this is the best lynch for today. SA's argument+rereading his day 1 makes me want to lynch him (seriously, he RVS votes 2 then insists on townreading 2 until page like 97 at which point he STILL parks a vote on MS. Oh then he proceeds not to mention 2 again and still just sits there tunneling MS.)

SAD is also really bad as well and should probably die. He can be lynched next.

bro i think this lynch is fucking stupid what are you doing?

this game needs some tender love and care that i will provide soon.
probably not tomorrow, but soon.

[Nachomamma8]

I've been repainting my mom's deck for father's day.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay, I'm still confident in Andy town thanks to claim+earlier play. I'm not going to go through that read again.

[Nachomamma8]

GiF still seems town, but I would love if he posted more.

[Nachomamma8]

Hi
Let's talk about spinach.

I currently don't think he's scum. Cabd said this would be his first game as scum, and his paranoid nature is shining through pretty clearly. His scumhunting by "liar's tells", his gambit to get someone to tell him to rush the day, all of those seemed to be pretty strong towntells to me. Do you disagree?

[Nachomamma8]

In the end, TMT's ISO wasn't enough for me to make a strong read on. But in particular, the backdown on AJ which we now know has absolutely nothing to do with alignment and the way he engaged my read on him felt sort of town, as well as the way he was replaced; he clearly didn't even look up his name and see if he was lynched/in trouble before he started posting, and that feels like something that town is far likelier to do than scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Yay, another person who can tell me why he's town. Oh, Beauty and the Beast agrees. I'm not seeing it.

BRO still wasn't voting at this point, and I have no idea why. He USUALLY doesn't have that much trouble putting a vote down in early game...

Think that 2 is likely scum. Nacho is reading super townie and I trust his read on ffery, especially when my gut is giving me the same thing after reading the whole thing. Ffery cracked pretty fucking hard.

<snip>

Oh, yeah, VOTE: TD. Think this is the best wagon to jump on right now.

Saying that he trusts me and then deciding to vote TD instead of 2 is very, very strange ESPECIALLY since ffery cracked "pretty fucking hard".

I’m down for a 2 lynch. I've thought she’s scum since her , and nothing that has happened since I first scumread her has made me want to change my read.

VOTE: 2

BRO finally hops on the 2 wagon when there's already 6 votes on them. But he doesn't really engage the wagon before then and he sort of dances around it until now, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

B updates his scumreads. TD vs MS seems to be town vs town at this point.

1943 is just more evidence that AJ is scum. Ffery's "case" doesn't build in any way, just providing analysis of individual posts, when the entire point of building a case like that is to determine a trajectory and look for overarching patterns.

Yeah, thinking Letters (or w/e the slot is called now), TD, and MS are all town. AJ seems like a very likely scumpartner. I'm having a rough time finding who the others would be from this, though.

Why did you say that TD vs MS was town v town, BRO?
I also don't like that the only conclusion that he makes is that AJ was a scumpartner and the group of people were town. It does suggest BRO doesn't know it was multiball, which is a towntell at this point.

2 was obvscum. Not so much the buldey-half, but the ffery-half reeked of scum. How could you not see that?

And this seems sort of weird as well, considering he didn't vote 2 until very late.

Hmmm.

[Nachomamma8]

Really starting to not like 2 after these last few pages :/.

MS also danced the fuck around the 2 wagon without putting down a vote on it.

GIF and MS go in to the, "To be checked out pile"

After tunneling the fuck out of MS the entire game, he suddenly backs off...? Why?

Hmmmmm.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't know what to do with lurkers, hopefully he'll get replaced.

plus this is just bullshit

[Nachomamma8]

I think the final scum are MS-TD-SAD. And I think that SAD should be the first lynch because I'm extremely confident that he's scum.

and before anyone goes "oh let's not lynch a lurker it's not a good plan",
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=4450
Andy should remember that.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh Nacho.
I don't think you explained your readchange on MS.

I didn't. He shifted out of the townread slot when I looked at Mainstream Mafia, where he got lost and basically said "fuck it, I'm not doing shit". With that in mind, his reads list while he was getting left behind seems more like trying to seem like he was doing something without doing anything at all.

[Nachomamma8]

There's also the inconsistencies in reads earlier that I just didn't like.

[Nachomamma8]

Why?

[Nachomamma8]

What in his overall play looks town?

[Nachomamma8]

For example, stuff like not willing to back down on his claim of ISOing TD's post and posting within a minute.

If he backed down on that, he would look scummy as fuck, so the only viable route is to stick with the claim that he ISO'ed TD in a minute.

[Nachomamma8]

let me figure out how to table first

[Nachomamma8]

@GiF:

COLUMN ONE	COLUMN TWO	COLUMN THREE
A1	A2	A3
B1	B2	B3

Code: Select all

[table][row][header]COLUMN ONE[/header][header]COLUMN TWO[/header][header]COLUMN THREE[/header][/row]
[row][cell]A1[/cell][cell]A2[/cell][cell]A3[/cell][/row]
[row][cell]B1[/cell][cell]B2[/cell][cell]B3[/cell][/row][/table]

[Nachomamma8]

Code: Select all

[table][row][header]HEADER 1[/header][cell]A1[/cell][cell]A2[/cell][cell]A3[/cell][/row]
[row][header]HEADER 2[/header][cell]B1[/cell][cell]B2[/cell][cell]B3[/cell][/row]
[row][header]HEADER 3[/header][cell]C1[/cell][cell]C2[/cell][cell]C3[/cell][/row][/table]

HEADER 1	A1	A2	A3
HEADER 2	B1	B2	B3
HEADER 3	C1	C2	C3

[Nachomamma8]

nacho	town	none	none	s.twn	s.twn
GIF	town	none	v.twn	none	s.twn
orc	town	none	none	none	town
varsoon	town	town	none	s.twn	s.twn
BnB	town	none	l.twn	none	town
Mac	town	none	twn	none	town
TD	scum	none	none	none	none
Sven(Rev)	troll?	none	scum	none	none
cabd	none	town	v.twn	none	s.twn
ghostlin	none	l.twn	town	l.twn	town
rach	none	town	none	none	none
sajin	none	l.twn	none	none	none
AJ	none	l.scm	l.twn	l.twn
bro	none	l.scm	none	none	none
2	none	none	scmr	s.twn	town
andrius	none	none	town	town	town
Venmar	none	none	none	none	none
SAD	none	none	none	none	none
TMT	none	none	none	none	none

[Nachomamma8]

yes ok

vote:varsoon

nobody in their right mind would claim like that

when this before was one of his strongest town reads

however! nacho is pretty scummy yeah I definitely agree on that one

another one of his strongest townreads

ON topic:

Bleh, I misread 2

picks up on misreading 2, doesn't pick up on misreading Rev, Rach, orc

[Nachomamma8]

He also doesn't show any signs of wavering on his reads, on picking up things that he missed before which COULD explain some of these read changes, but ultimately doesn't.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho we can discuss this vote.

It should've been a vote made because he was sure that TD was scum at that point, yet it seemed like a kneejerk reaction. There was also this:

also td is most probably bad for the town so if he flips town later at least he wont spoil some lynch or something !

...which looks like he's trying to prepare for a TD townflip.

[Nachomamma8]

it comes immediately after he drops the TD read and Ghostlin votes Sajin, meaning that it's sheepy and he's trying to get away from the him-TD slapfight, which isn't good

[Nachomamma8]

SAD lynch should be easy by now. What thing has that slot done the entire game?
1) Made a shit case on Venmar
2) Called Varsoon out for fencesitting, then defended Varsoon after a confirmed not-bulletproof was shot and didn't die
3) Told everyone "gj with the catch on Rach"

4) Starts pushing a case on me because my scumread on you is TOO STRONG to be coming from town, even though it's in neither scumteam's interest to mislynch today.

If you want to dance with me, you can. I've been calling your slot scum for a while now; meanwhile, you've been ignoring me and not contributing shit to the game at all. I don't have to hold your hand and have you refuse to be dragged through the game to determine that you're scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay ISOed MS. I totally agree with whoever said that the TD vote where he voted after one minute of saying he was going to ISO someone is scummy and artificial as hell. I also really don't like their early play where he seemed to not interact with anyone really and just throw up reads without reasoning. While I have done that in the past in large games just so I have something to look back on if I'm ever lost, he does nothing to really push his scumreads. Definitely willing to vote.

You ISO'ed MS and the only thing you could come up with is reasoning that had already been discussed in thread plenty? Bullshit.

After ISOing Rach feel one of MS or TD is last blue. Mayyyybeeee GiF but kinda stretching it and not really feeling it. Gonna look at Orc in a bit.

This sort of thing is seriously useless you show your work. Otherwise, it looks like you faked it. You did some for Rach, sure, but not for Orc. And why aren't you looking for redscum at all?

Anyway, though, if you really think I'm not posting enough or w/e, I think town you would try to pressure me to post more or just to engage something or ask questions. Instead, you camp a vote and yell every once in a while "Oh yeah lynch SAD". Pathetic. Don't really see you as trying to figure out my alignment as much as just trying to push a mislynch.

There's not that much of a difference between voting you and lynching you and telling you to vote more. I haven't had my vote camped on you, and I haven't just yelled every once in a while "oh yeah lynch SAD". You could see that if you read my posts! It's also laughable that you think your lurking somehow makes you immune from a lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

So you're thinking I'm scum that's on the team you're not, or?

It would be a better attack if you were trying from this angle, sure. But saying "oh there's no way he's scumreading me!" is stupid.

Really? Your first indication that you had a scumread on me (note the italics, please don't pull some bullshit thing where you said I was doing nothing - because to any person that should be "null") was here. And then you've really done nothing to push the lynch expect for once in a while poking at it.

I had a scumread on your predecessor. I had a scumread on you. The hope was that you would start doing something eventually. When people are in the game and they get replaced because they aren't doing anything, they are null. When people are in the game and post absolutely nothing of use yet still manage to stay in the game? That is scummy.

Cool. If you're town this is basically the most dumb thing in the world. When I flip town please reconsider you philosophy on lurkers. Tyvm.

What are your reads? Why are you actively defending yourself instead of trying to find the last scum? I don't want names; I want reasons.

[Nachomamma8]

I mean, there's no way he can read 700 posts within 15 minutes and make reads on his own.

he certainly acted like he could; he definitely didn't sheep the reads of any of his "strong townreads".

[Nachomamma8]

trying to find the last scum

Um

the plural of scum is scum

[Nachomamma8]

SAD, did you run away so quickly?

[Nachomamma8]

It should be pretty obvious by now that I work much better by gut?

It shouldn't be that hard to list everyone and put a reason with them.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho is looking out for scumteam's interests and not town interest.

I'm pointing out that there's no reason for anyone in this game to try to get a mislynch, so his original accusation was stupid.

[Nachomamma8]

One thing that is making me hold back on voting him though is:

And the fact you have me as a scumread.

[Nachomamma8]

Er... if I had more reads I would certainly share them, do you not think? I'm not secretly holding back on SUPER SECRET READS. It's dumb to think that?

It's also dumb to think that you somehow have three scumreads, a townread, and nothing else. What's your read on spinach?

[Nachomamma8]

hydra dissonance within their red team is highly unlikely, so its unlikely i'm on red

and then if so, rach and orcinus talking about me so blatantly in the thread if i was a scumpartner is also unlikely, so its also unlikely im on blue

is this the best you've got for you being town?

[Nachomamma8]

Do you not think if I'm scum I would actually BS a reason and lay a vote so I look like I have reads instead of when people look back they see I haven't voted once? Hahaha your tunnel vision is hilarious.

"NACHO YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME ENOUGH CHANCES TO POST GOOD THINGS IN THREAD HOW CAN YOU READ ME AS SCUM???"
"WELL OF COURSE ALL I HAVE IS READS ON HALF THE GAME. OF COURSE I WOULD HAVE MORE READS IF I WAS SCUM! HAHAHAHA THE FACT YOU THINK OTHERWISE IS SO RIDICULOUS HAHAHAHAA"

what was the reason for you yelling at me for not having reads on half of the game when we're essentially fucked with a mislynch if you didn't actually have anything more to give us? And no, I don't think that as scum you would have to give reads on every living player.

[Nachomamma8]

i'd get away asap

and you drop your scumread immediately?

Enemy of you enemy is now your friend? Nice!

I've been calling you town for a while now. How the hell does this make any sense whatsoever?

[Nachomamma8]

Not much of a read. Problem with that? (in the sense that it is scummy... not a problem with my lack of contribution because I'm not posting much). (I mean I don't want to come off as a jerk but I'm not going to materialize reads when I don't have them.)

ISO him. Look for things you find strange, things you find good. I don't believe you'll find absolutely nothing. You didn't have a horrible problem coming up with reads in Castle Zar.

[Nachomamma8]

Since when did I drop my scum read?

you started voting Sajin the next day
you could've scumhunted elsewhere while voting TD, but you didn't. Why?

[Nachomamma8]

Because its a nice out if someone else does your work? You'd been calling me town for a while when I gave you reason to cast doubt on me (read started attacking you) so you need some other tool to take me out? That's my thought process anyhow.

or maybe
just maybe
SAD hasn't been doing shit this entire game. And now that he's finally showed up, he's doing absolutely nothing and telling me to his face that he can't get a read on anyone outside of me/MS/TD/Andrius.
and maybe
just maybe
I wanted to see if I could try to see if I could get him to comment on someone who's been fairly vocal about their opinions this game day.
but instead you think I want SAD, the person whose best case is "I don't like how Venmar dropped his Sajin read" to think of my reasons for me? No.

[Nachomamma8]

Wait, let me get this perfectly straight. You thinking the above and you think that it is scummy to not give reads on every player? So... why wouldn't I as scum just BS reasons and give reads on eveyone

I think it's scummy that you can't give reads on every living player because it severely limits my ability to read you if you won't cooperate. I find it scummier that you're pretending like it's my fault that you haven't done so before and I'm calling you scum for it. I find it even scummier that you're acting like somehow scum would BS reasons on everyone all the time and the fact you haven't so far makes you town for some ungodly reason.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho I'm pretty sure you're a lot smarter than that

I'm p sure this guy is scum according to meta(or he is drunk,I don't know)

oh look, another person calling me scum for not reading them town

I stuck my vote on TD for 3 days, are you implying I should have stuck it on him for 5?

no. but you used the "oh, the slapfight was getting too stupid" as your excuse for why you disengaged from him completely. that doesn't make sense to me. you could've still voted him, you could've sold the case to other players, you could scumhunt elsewhere... it also doesn't feel right that you would start to ignore TD because the fight was getting stupid. You and KX pushed on DGB in Voided's game for a long, long time and didn't back down for shit. What made this different?

[Nachomamma8]

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

so you drop 1v1s quicker than you drop non1v1 scumreads?

[Nachomamma8]

can you explained the weirdness in your reads lists that GiF and I picked up on?

[Nachomamma8]

why did 2 go from scum to strong town?
why did ghostlin go from light town to town to light town to town?

[Nachomamma8]

why did I become a scummy read?
why did varsoon become a scummy read?

[Nachomamma8]

however! nacho is pretty scummy yeah I definitely agree on that one

your scumread here. you hadn't called me out for playing to my scum meta then.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm asking where your scumread on me came from when you stated it in #3541. All of the posts you quote come after that point.

[Nachomamma8]

where did you go?
we were having such a good talk

[Nachomamma8]

so so far your read on me is based on me not finding TD scummy and having you as a suspect when you think I should know better?

[Nachomamma8]

who are your strong townreads at the moment?

[Nachomamma8]

TD, look at current scumlists:

Nacho: MS, TD, SAD
SAD: MS, TD, Nacho
MS: TD, Nacho, SAD
TD: Nacho, MS, BRO

I think it's pretty fucking safe to say that the 4 outside of our scumlists (GiF, Andy, BRO, SA) are town. And the fact that SAD isn't included in your scumlist is pretty fucking strange. Why is he town?

[Nachomamma8]

At this point my only strong town read is andi.

Q.E.Duh SAD is town.

So SAD is also a strong town read.

[Nachomamma8]

Also why are you trying to lynch MS over me when I supposedly scumslipped?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho is red scum.

I have not been throwing shit everywhere. I have two solid town reads, Nacho/andi.

Also what happened to this?

[Nachomamma8]

SAD is town =/= strong town

SAD cannot be my buddy, meaning he's not red. And he's absolutely convinced that you're the blue.
So...

[Nachomamma8]

I already said that too nacho, pay attention, you're red scum, MS is blue scum, if we lynch MS there is one less NK tonight.

Why does this matter? If we lynch one red scum, blue and red will have the chance to crosskill.
Either way, we have to hit 3 scum with 3 lynches.

[Nachomamma8]

SAD is town =/= strong town

SAD cannot be my buddy, meaning he's not red. And he's absolutely convinced that you're the blue.
So...

[Nachomamma8]

You slipped. That simple. Pretty much nothing short of that or a night action reveal would have made me change my read on you but.... there it is.

What happens if redscum flip?

[Nachomamma8]

Chance to crosskill VS automatically one NK less? I'll take the one NK less every time. Every-Single-Time.

Why?

[Nachomamma8]

Pedit: huh, I'm calling you red scum, if redscum flip than I was right X_x. Explain that question better.

If the redscumteam dies and I'm not one of them, what happens?

[Nachomamma8]

Chance to crosskill VS automatically one NK less? I'll take the one NK less every time. Every-Single-Time.

Pedit: huh, I'm calling you red scum, if redscum flip than I was right X_x. Explain that question better.

^

You two get along so well when you're trying to attack me.
Enemy of my enemy, as they say.

[Nachomamma8]

I have repeated myself for you like three times, ask something new and meaningfull or bugger off.

There are 8 alive. If we lynch blue scum today and no kill is blocked, there will be 6 alive tomorrow. We will have 2 mislynches to catch 2 red scum.
If we lynch red today, blue scum can hit red scum and red scum can hit town (or vice-versa), meaning there will be 5 alive tomorrow and we will have 2 mislynches to catch one scum.
Alternatively, red scum and blue scum can shoot one another and we can automatically win.

So why is "one less NK" more valuable than more mislynches or a chance to instantly win?

[Nachomamma8]

unless SAD is the one who flips red scum, nothing.

What if SAD flips red scum? Who is your new suspicion for other red scum?

[Nachomamma8]

The rest is mostly weak reads and process of elimination.

And expand on this too! How are your reads weak if the end result PoEs BRO as the last red scum?

[Nachomamma8]

Ugh!!! A 3v3 and I gotta step in to point out the obvious??? NACHO HAS CONCEDED THAT HE SLIPPED, IS SCUM, AND IS NOW JUST CRUMBING HE IS RED. If it has to be Blue, he isn't the tree to be barking up.

[Nachomamma8]

One less NK is a guaranteed bonus, the other scenarios you described rely on the living scum misplaying or on blind chance.

But the misplays and blind chance benefits are far and above better than the "one less NK" benefit. You keep dodging the question (I shouldn't have to ask it this many times, really), but what benefit does one less NK afford us?

GIF-Bro-Spinach. GIF maybe? In the unlikely even that this occurs I would probably end up doing full iso's on all three of those people.

and not bro who was your scum suspect 10 minutes ago?

[Nachomamma8]

SAD is town =/= strong town

SAD cannot be my buddy, meaning he's not red. And he's absolutely convinced that you're the blue.
So...

And here too... Damn some people are slow on the uptake.

i was pointing out TD's logic, but you missed that too!

[Nachomamma8]

You slipped. That simple. Pretty much nothing short of that or a night action reveal would have made me change my read on you but.... there it is.

What happens if redscum flip?

Ugh!!! A 3v3 and I gotta step in to point out the obvious??? NACHO HAS CONCEDED THAT HE SLIPPED, IS SCUM, AND IS NOW JUST CRUMBING HE IS RED. If it has to be Blue, he isn't the tree to be barking up.

well who's going over? TD or nacho?

spinach
this is what it feels like when scum buddy up to you

[Nachomamma8]

I was working on the assumption that GIF/Spinach were red scum. Given that you are neither of them can be and they are both town.

Spinach/bro or Spinach/GIF as red?

No you weren't.

[Nachomamma8]

Have I said it enough times to get it through to you yet?

Why is that a benefit?

[Nachomamma8]

It's one less NK, but it doesn't give us any extra shots at scum, so why is it a benefit?

[Nachomamma8]

One less NK IS a benefit. And the shots at scum come from scum, who, if there are only one of them left each probably both want each other alive. Dear god man even if you hadn't slipped my read on you would be slipping. This is just so-. You are playing such an idiot, and you aren't. This is classic scum stubbornness, cut it out. You and ms together are going to make me pop a blood vessel.

you keep calling me an idiot while you completely ignore my logic.

[Nachomamma8]

One less NK IS a benefit. And the shots at scum come from scum, who, if there are only one of them left each probably both want each other alive. Dear god man even if you hadn't slipped my read on you would be slipping. This is just so-. You are playing such an idiot, and you aren't. This is classic scum stubbornness, cut it out. You and ms together are going to make me pop a blood vessel.

you keep calling me an idiot while you completely ignore my logic.

It makes even less sense considering your bets for my partner are Bro/GiF/Spinach, meaning that any player out of the game that isn't Andy should narrow down your suspect pool. This means that you will probably want to no lynch in your 6 man MyLo to narrow down the suspects. Leaving scum of both teams alive means that they don't know who is shooting at who, which means that they BOTH might leave Andy alone to shoot at someone else, and suddenly you have a very strong townread in LyLo.

but all you have for me in response is ONE LESS NK IS BETTER ONE LESS NK IS BETTER TOO RISKY OTHERWISE ONE LESS NK IS BETTER

which is just a reasonless statement that you can repeat as much as you'd like but you're still not addressing the "why".

[Nachomamma8]

@nacho, I am not calling you an idiot, I am calling you a smart person using obviously faulty logic.

that you aren't addressing

however td says: cross fire is probably not happening. this is also correct

probably not, but that doesn't mean we should consciously try to stop it from happening

[Nachomamma8]

nacho

andy cant shoot

this shows you have absolutely no idea what the fuck I'm saying anymore

[Nachomamma8]

You just gave my why yourself. :/. I'm sorry man, if I had a better why to give you I would, but I honestly feel this is sufficient, otherwise I'd be voting for you instead of MS.

Wait, hold up a sec. Something is off here.

MS and Nacho are both logicing at me advocating for me to be set on lynching them instaid of the other one.

What-The-Fuck.

If I was red scum, then yes this would make sense.
I'm still trying to figure out for why you're going blue over red because I think your reasons are stupid.

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Yup. I know. More experience there than I would like to admit. You were last on my lynch list, I really hope to play with you again. You've expanded my knowledge with this game a lot. That said, this is my lynch list.

And I hope if I get lynched and if I flip town, you will drop that BRO suspicion and lynch the fuck out of MS if we can still somehow pull off the win. A mislynch means that blue scum needs to hit redscum, which shouldn't be that hard considering scum will be in {Metal Sonic, Ser Arthur Dayne, TiphaineDeath}.

[Nachomamma8]

And

I hope if I get lynched and if I flip town,

you will drop that BRO suspicion and lynch the fuck out of MS if we can still somehow pull off the win. A mislynch means that blue scum needs to hit redscum, which shouldn't be that hard considering scum

will

be in {Metal Sonic, Ser Arthur Dayne, TiphaineDeath}.

[Nachomamma8]

Got it the first time. Do you really think I won't be dead by tomorrow anyhow?

TD has called you scummy multiple times and it won't be that hard for MS to flip flop onto you. So maybe.

Of course, they could just go for the co-win. That would be better than a no win, yes?

Multiple scum factions can't do that here, normally.

[Nachomamma8]

4: 2 red, 1 blue
No Lynch
red shoots blue
blue shoots red
red wins

[Nachomamma8]

also a mislynch and 2 town shots takes us down to 5, which means town would have to work with final blue scum
if town lynches nonred, red wins during the night unless they fuck up shooting the blue, which would be a scum draw but has a very small chance of happening

[Nachomamma8]

Okay don't like Nacho much after the Nacho/TD exchange.

What points of TD did you like?

[Nachomamma8]

Lolwut?!?. Multiball has been KNOWN for how long now? And you still want me to disregard BRO @Nacho?

Yes. That was in reference to a post made Day 1.

[Nachomamma8]

aaaand time runs out. I'm eager to see Andrius's wall when he gets around to making it.

[Nachomamma8]

Lost me...

translation: I'm tired and going to sleep. I hope Andy is making a beautiful wall and not just crying over LoL.

[Nachomamma8]

spinach are you free to talk

Was there a reason you wanted to talk to spinach here? You seem fairly set in your reads already, so this discussion seemed useless.

Oddly, that leaves SAD town.

No

I didn't actually like anything TD posted so much as my gut response to what you posted felt off at the time. It feels like you might be blue scum trying to make sure that red-scum is lynched instead of town just trying to make sure that it is a scum lynch.

What's the benefit of having one less nightkill?

Hmm TD's recent posts seem genuine. Right now, thinking MS is last blue. Nacho is red. GiF isn't his partner. Andy in general reads town. Leaving BRO/SA out of PoE.

Wow, this is a horrible read flip. I guess you're not going to do those ISOs, huh?

I continue to disagree that red is better :/. Relying on luck to see you through is never a winning strategy.

That's not even close to why I've said the things I've said. Not even close.

Retreading back over all that from last night, Nacho did crumb red scum. His reply to me about that was hand face, which I think was more to himself than anyone else. Also, after I pointed the slip out, his whole tone changed from attacker to consolatory. So, right or wrong

No, you were saying that I slipped and had conceded and was crumbing red scum, which was absolutely ridiculous and incorrect. I've been treating you the same way the entire game, though; I was getting frustrated when you were saying that I was claiming redscum and that's why you were voting me, but I haven't tried to console you. In fact, I think I've ignored you pretty solidly with few exceptions.

nacho - scum

you never really explained this.

Too obv.scummy to be scum.
I'm not sure he'd drop that as scum knowing we'd eat it up eventually.

Andy? No.

Its easy to drop a link, use some buzzwords and move on.
I could do it too easily.

It's easy to implement, but the timing and actually deciding to implement something like that is very, very rare.

Speaking of which:
Nacho, when did varsoon become a scumread yesterday?

when I checked back into the game and we were in multiball and AJ was town and Orc and Rach were scum.

Nacho ignoring the scumslip thing is interesting.

What scumslip thing did I ignore?

[Nachomamma8]

What are you really saying here, and please don't give me in thread read shit?

I'm saying that if I am lynched, my final wishes are to see TD, MS, and SAD die as quickly as possible.

My point is that it's relatively immaterial at this point because town should be trying to lynch scum no matter what, not trying to lynch a specific scumteam. Town should be going with the lynch on the most likely person to be scum and not care nearly as much about trying to hit the right alignment.

Right, but that doesn't explain your scumfeels on me over TD. He was arguing we should try to lynch the last blue scum, I was arguing we should try to lynch one of the reds. Why did you believe I was blue scum trying to get the town to lynch red but you didn't think TD was redscum trying to get the town to lynch blue?

Speaking of sajin, where is he?

Dead.

[Nachomamma8]

writing up cases is hard

now is no time for apathy, love
i need you to lynch scum with me

Eh I still don't see it as being super relevant.

The idea is that he's coming from a different site meta and is using external things to help his scumhunting (scumputer, "liar tells"). This was after he was already in thread, contributing, bringing up new ideas; it felt a lot like he was pulling out a lot of stops whereas if he was mafia he would have literally no reason to, and the conviction behind his reads as he pushed them was in the "not fakeable" section.

[Nachomamma8]

Things are muddled for you, TD? Certainly didn't seem like it here:

...... I'll go through this one last time.

MS is blue scum
You are red scum.
Andi is town.
I was working on the assumption that GIF/Spinach were red scum. Given that you are neither of them can be and they are both town.
SAD is not your buddy and is thus town.
POE Bro is your buddy

[Nachomamma8]

Not liking this a bit, personally. Where's the town motivation in being so absent from the thread you don't even know the deaths from 3 phases ago? Scum doesn't have to read to win.

It confirms him from being not-blue, for one. The timing of it (after he found a strange interaction between a scum suspect and Sajin and then suddenly notices Sajin wasn't around) is genuine, and I think completely ignoring the names behind what townie died at night shows a town mindset.

I did? Well tbf I only had time to ISO BRO, SA, and TD.

Why didn't you include reasoning after you did your ISOs?

Yeah I keep feeling like I need to post but all I can do is restate what I've said and still not have reread anything.

Anything for me otherwise? D:

Make your case on me. You haven't come close to doing that.

Killing blue is right today. nacho has been arguing that we should be killing red, thus he is blue. MS has been agreeing with me, thus he is red. Nacho is the right kill today.

Then why do you find me scum? The only reason you've had for me being scum earlier was the scumslip that somehow revealed I was redscum. Otherwise, I was a "very strong townread that could only be shaken by a townslip".

Also my vote has been on TD for a while.

OK, cool.

[Nachomamma8]

Ok

VOTE NACHO

That's L-1 Nacho. You have the floor.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been left completely on my own this day phase. I want you to read through the actual arguments that people have been making and tell me why you're allowing MS to buddy the hell out of you, why you're allowing TD to blatantly contradict himself, and why you're allowing SAD to coast when I'm hauling my ass off producing as much content as possible and nailing scum as hard to the wall as I possibly can. Your current wagon mates are TD, SAD, and MS. Andy has mentioned that he's found me scummy, but the entirety of the case against me is still:

1) Nacho's still alive when he posted so much and so many people read him town on Day 1!
2) Nacho's arguing that we should lynch red scum today! He's probably blue scum!

[Nachomamma8]

TD:

Nachos 3606, is a scumslip, GIF caught this, well done.

Nacho has to be red scum.

Nacho is red scum.

I have not been throwing shit everywhere. I have two solid town reads, Nacho/andi.

Also what happened to this?

You slipped. That simple.

Pretty much nothing short of that or a night action reveal would have made me change my read on you

but.... there it is.

Killing blue is right today.

nacho has been arguing that we should be killing red, thus he is blue.

MS has been agreeing with me, thus he is red. Nacho is the right kill today.

Bolded is mine.

Tiphane has been arguing that I am red scum because of the scumslip. He said that if it were not for the scumslip, he would find me town. Next, Tiphane finds strong evidence that I am NOT red scum, which would make the scumslip invalid. Instead of deciding that "oh, nacho's scumslip is wrong and thus he's probably town again" he decides that instead I am BLUE scum. He is doing this because there is support for a Nacho lynch today, but he can't hop on my wagon as long as he's calling me red scum. So he takes my theory arguments (despite the fact that SAD has been doing the exact same thing) as a confirmation for me being blue-scum, which allows him to say consistent in his earlier arguments for "we have to lynch blue scum today we have to lynch blue scum today" but also allows him to stay on my wagon. I also questioned him on "what would happen if evidence comes around saying that I'm not red scum?" and Tiphane's answer was that if SAD flipped red scum, I would be pretty much cleared (#3706). His attack on me now is a direct contradiction to what he was saying before. There is no way in hell that he's town.

Vote: TiphaineDeath

[Nachomamma8]

I'll be more active when I have more time, but that should be good enough for discussion for now.

[Nachomamma8]

I was just missing you and it seemed the only way to get you to post. Going off the beaten path makes scum who can taste the win fuck up. I thought you may have picked up on that for how many times I tried to get you back involved.

Well, good work on that front.

You still slipped red in several places. You don't have to appeal to my emotion to make me think. And I only want an answer to one question from you- why did you admit to red?

I didn't. I wanted to ask TD about my possibilities of being non-red scum because I sensed a major readflip from him and I wanted to make sure it didn't happen again. The facepalm was because our little three way had brought out a lot of good things and you focused in on a scumslip that definitely wasn't a scumslip.

Do you listen to yourself man? I have been so fucking confused throughout this day ever since you slipped that I don't even know what to think let alone do. At this point I'm posting in fucking stream of consciousness mode because I don't know where else to go. And you're attacking me over what? A contradiction that appears because I haven't been thinking about my posts and haven't been putting my every thought out here to read? If I didn't respect you so much as a player I'd tell you to go to hell.

OK. So if all of my posts were scummy after I slipped, why haven't you addressed them? Talked about them?
I'm zooming in on your contradiction because your thought process shows no reasoning for it whatsoever, while your scum thought process (switch to calling Nacho blue scum so I can push a lynch on him and SA can hammer) seems very, very clear.

Nacho was on L-1 and didn't even fucking claim, bet that's cause he has no idea what to claim at this point that would sound believable.

I haven't claimed because no one claimed intent, and "Nacho, you have the floor" sounds very, very different from "Nacho hurry up and claim before we kill the shit out of you".

[Nachomamma8]

Then I had decided you were scum, but you couldn't be that color of scum because you were telling me to lynch that color of scum. So you had to be the other color of scum. Honestly the idea that after you slipped you might actually be town didn't enter in to my head, cept the once I think it might have. I just kind of kept thinking "slippityslippityscummity."

And now that I've confronted you on that reasoning, your opinion isn't changing at all...?

An honestly, if I had really wanted you lynched and didn't care all I had to do was retract my reasoning, go along with you, say that lynching red scum today was right (even though it's totally not) and then call you red and happily sing and dance my way on to your grave. For fucks sake man.

But backing down like that probably would've have looked pretty fucking scummy, don't you think?

Who is SA?

Spinachattack.

[Nachomamma8]

Then I had decided you were scum, but you couldn't be that color of scum because you were telling me to lynch that color of scum. So you had to be the other color of scum. Honestly the idea that after you slipped you might actually be town didn't enter in to my head, cept the once I think it might have. I just kind of kept thinking "slippityslippityscummity."

And now that I've confronted you on that reasoning, your opinion isn't changing at all...?

An honestly, if I had really wanted you lynched and didn't care all I had to do was retract my reasoning, go along with you, say that lynching red scum today was right (even though it's totally not) and then call you red and happily sing and dance my way on to your grave. For fucks sake man.

But backing down like that probably would've have looked pretty fucking scummy, don't you think?

Who is SA?

Spinachattack.

[Nachomamma8]

There are good reasons for you to be scum, more than just the slip, post slip. I remember seeing them.

Cool. Talk about them. I'll give you plenty of time.

wait waaaaaait, waitwaitwaitwait, did you just call me and spinach scumbuddies?

No.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are you being so goddamned helpful? X_x.

I'm just a very helpful person.

Nacho's 3615 is feigning ignorance, I do not like this. Scum scummity scum want a mislynch, always, and you know that.

Scum don't want mislynches when there's 1 scum, 1 opposing scum, and 1 town. Always is a dangerous word to use.

3682 is twisting my words to his own purposes, do-not-like.

In your eyes, I am Red. MS is Blue scum. SAD is not my buddy. Thus, SAD is town. How is that inaccurate?

3737 is where nacho's stubbornness really crosses the line from reasonable to unreasonable. I've addressed this like five times and he still wants me too. This is also when I get the inkling that something is off with my read on him as red scum.

You were saying that removing a nightkill is better because removing a nightkill is always better. I was trying to get you to explain that logic, but you never did.

(which made me think they were strategic crumbs placed for a cover).

He's known for strategic crumbing, so the claim itself doesn't surprise me at all. We're also expecting a protective role in this game (considering the strongman), and he's a protector, sooo. He'll become townier if we manage to flip something like a ninja, but as for now, it's a claim that makes perfect sense within the setup.

this breaks my self imposed ban but
nacho
kindly explain to spinach
what happened the last game we were in
and how on top of that i was

I'm waiting for you to catch up.

It's a game and it furthers your wincon and it takes out someone who aparently knows you better than the rest of us.

She doesn't know him better than the rest of you. I know him better than the rest of you. This was mollie's first game with him.

I really think TD is town

You can explain this, especially keeping his latest responses in mind.

[Nachomamma8]

I feel that Nacho ignored my entire wall X_x.

I didn't respond to your SA post because I didn't really like it and it doesn't change my perspective of either of you that much. But if you're talking about the problems you had with me in your wall... You might want to read a little closer.

It's really pretty damned effective to be so open. It plays just like BBB (or at least my understanding of how BBB worked) and I would have never thought it would work that well.

Right, he crumbs like crazy regardless of alignment. Do you think this was a gambit he thought of from the get go?

Are you ready to firmly clear yourself, btw?

I'm less concerned with being cleared than getting the rest of our days sorted out. It's important that we figure out the game today; if not, there's much more room for fucking up. So sell me on your Andy case a bit better.

[Nachomamma8]

My problems with you no longer matter due to my problem with spinach.

But obviously I didn't ignore your wall.

[Nachomamma8]

Sunday is the best time. Will you be around then?

[Nachomamma8]

5 minutes? Hell yeah I have 5 minutes if I don't need to be sober.

[Nachomamma8]

"hard pressed to pick ANYONE but him to be shot" instead to shot at Varsoon on N3. That just doesn't sit right with me.

Hard pressed to pick anyone but him to be shot if he were scum, not town vig.

Then there's this. He's gloating over the night kill of Mollie and cabd (because he didn't even mention Venmar who was also killed that night; what, is he not worthy of a mention?). When I first called him out on that he responds basically- 'cant kill two in one night-derp!', but he can protect two?!? Yeah, not buying that one either.

He never suggested that he could protect them both, and was making a "sorry for failing to protect you, my dear" which I sort of understand you seeing as a scumtell but really isn't (I freaked out after I died in a newbie game when a player apologized for failing to protect me).

How many roles does one player get?!? JoaT ~and~ indestructible. Picking my feet off the floor now. The shit's getting pretty damned high in here... I guess the SHEER WILLPOWER thing can be fundamentally true though Seeing how I think he's the one who offed Mollie, lynching him would take out the one who ended her...

That was definitely a joke.

Ok, there's actually a lot of crumbing Andy/Nacho scum team in this post, so everyone should probably go look at the entire wall. This is just the most blatant example.

THIS is the more interesting point. Andy, you definitely didn't seem to have the same confidence that I could read you as you do in this game. Why is that?

[Nachomamma8]

SA, what happens if a bodyguard is strongmanned?

[Nachomamma8]

BY THE WAY:
MS/TD/SAD scum
MS/TD/SAD scum
MS/TD/SAD scum

[Nachomamma8]

SA, what happens if a bodyguard is strongmanned?

That's a good question I didn't ask, because by the time I thought to the SM was already dead. Do you know?

Nope. Ask the mod for me please.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

[Nachomamma8]

Kallia, Vanilla Townie.

[Nachomamma8]

OK. BRO, talk.

[Nachomamma8]

What are your thoughts after last night? What are your reads? Things like that. Reassure me of your sweet sweet towniness.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho
if you drag me into LyLo again where you're scum
im going to seriously flip a shit

like srs
do you want to break my heart
MOLLIE IS ALREADY DEAD NACHO
AND DONT YOU TELL ME YOU BETRAYED ME
I CANT HANDLE
ANYMORE
HEARTBREAK

dammit nacho
dammit

dont make me do this again

boom massclaiming:
Shulk, Colonist Aligned 3-Shot JOAT
popcorning to MS

Andy
I want you to look into my eyes and understand fuck no this isn't heartbreak
Because right now, I need you. I need you more than I've ever needed you before and I know I've broke your heart in the past and I'm a hard person to trust but god damnit this isn't the time.
This time, the game is right before us. It's in our hands, it's what we desire, and this time, it's what we deserve.
I don't ask this often
but please Andy
just this once
trust me
<3

[Nachomamma8]

So that makes no sense from a town perspective- why suddenly slink back into the shadows after that great performance? I was expecting him to draw the NK early on because of his play- which makes sense as VTs should try and draw the NK away from PRs. (mac, cabd)

That was the point. I didn't expect to be alive in this game at LyLo. My play fell off after that mostly by virtue of not recalibrating/quicklynch galore. When the game slowed down, I was there the entire time. I don't know if you noticed, but I WAS hauling ass yesterday for the majority of yesterday. And you can't tell me you don't know what it's like when you have a good D1 and everything steadily goes to shit because that's EXACTLY what happened this game.

I need you because town isn't losing this game regardless of what happened this game. I woke up this morning and I realized that I found what I was missing; I have what I need and we are NOT going to devolve into bullshit paranoia. You suspect me?
Make a case on me.

You think TD is town? Call him town. Talk about why he is town.
I need one more townread from this group of three. And it's going to be the best damn townread I've ever had.

[Nachomamma8]

nacho

why has the scum not killed andy the joat?

he hasn't made significant pushes on any of the scum and gotten them lynched
he's shown to waffle a lot, meaning that it's possible to sway them to either side
and while he's regarded as town by most, people do get paranoid of him pretty easily so it's not so much to worry about

not to mention the fact that hey
a bodyguard died last night and we have no idea who the fuck he protected

[Nachomamma8]

BRO needs a read refresh

[Nachomamma8]

19. spinachattack, Gadolt, Colonist Aligned Macho Bodyguard, was killed Night 5.

here's your bodyguard

[Nachomamma8]

Red scum could only kill one of me+andy+SA last night. Blue scum probably wanted to hit redscum because going into 2:2:1 as the lone scum is much worse than going into 3:1:1.

that's cool and all
who do you think is scum?

[Nachomamma8]

i never realized how boring it was waiting for people to reread.
i'm going off to a meet soon, so I won't be around as much
hopefully people will have done things by the time I return.

[Nachomamma8]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[Nachomamma8]

Idk man. I think Scumcho is likely for the reasons GiF was scum, and I think TD wasn't red for the same reasons.

andy.

[Nachomamma8]

someone hold me
I decided to beat the game
so I did
and now it is over

there is now a massive hole in my heart
and i have no mashed potatoes to fill it with
wat do

;___;

um you could start with a case on me

[Nachomamma8]

In fact, here's my ultimatum:

If you do not sort your read on me via finally making a case for me being scum or finally just trusting me because this is the game where I am town and alive a while but still clearly and powerfully town, then I will vote you. I will vote you and I will not take my vote off you for the rest of the day. I need the paranoia to stop, the town needs the paranoia to stop; your indecision is the ONLY way the mafia can grab victory at this point, can't lynch mafia both times without you solidly on our side both days and if I can't get my mafia lynch, then I guess I'll be making a townie lynch to minimize moving parts and hope desperately that the mafia don't figure out the obvious way to figure out this situation. If you can't even show me the respect to give me that real scum case that isn't just a town case, then you aren't even listening to me anymore and we have a better chance of winning through blind luck as opposed to actually winning and that's just sad. I don't want to win this game like that. This game already holds a special place in my heart because it's been fucking awesome; so many townies in this game have stepped it the fuck up and played AMAZINGLY: B&B obviously slam dunked the game several times and was thoroughly fucking great and mollie is going to slaughter me if we lose after the time she's put in, Venmar confirmed a vanilla town N1 and pegged scum N2 with his hider role which is actually perfect play for a hider role, and he trusted his read OVER MINE because he knew my read was wrong, Cabd was a player I had never seen before, never heard about before who completely gained my respect as a player over the course of ONE GAME, Mac who towned all over the place Day 1, was an excellently strong townread that everyone felt in their hearts was town because he actually WAS that town, Ghostlin who had that step up on Day 4 and played like a fucking god, Rev who took that scummy townie mislynch slot and turned it into an aggressive town slot that actually became a threat worth bullets, waynegg who was around yesterday who prodded the thread until the thread came alive again and brought life back into the game, even BRO who sent me on a paranoid stint because he's playing amazingly.

There is too much time put into this game by too many people to just throw it to the ground and leave it to scum to shoot each other. The town, the scum, everyone deserves more than that bullshit ending; it's essentially a draw between scumteams in that case (and I'll certainly count it as such) if we fuck up here and mislynch because every mislynch we made before brought us closer to THIS moment; when the game is truly and finally POE'd and it's just time to fucking lynch scum. I have paranoid leanings (even on you, imagine that), but this game has almost lasted two months, it's 171 pages, I've read it enough times. I'm not going to make any amazing revelations, I'm not going to be confident in pegging scum based on one post when everyone has so much content to read them off. And at this point, I've defended myself enough. I've poured my heart and soul into this game above all others and I want the win more than I want anything else, but if you want to lynch me for no reason at all, I'm going to make damn sure you never mislynch me in a crucial moment ever again.

And hey, there REALLY isn't a case on me. Vague meta case from Metal means nothing; we have ONE completed game together and somehow he knows my meta? No. TD doesn't even have a reason and isn't pretending to have any real ones, which should point to my towniness in and of itself, and the rest is paranoid. My reasons for 2 and AJ lynch are very heavily documented. Varsoon was a lynch that I could have lurked through and been fine for, but hey, I was on it and I did it. I did it because you shot him and because the AJ townflip sort of rocked my world and I needed to recalibrate. You know how that works, you've been there before. I felt on top of the world after the 2 flip because I played pretty damn well during Day 1, and the 2 flip told me that I did something horribly, horribly wrong.

And finally, it makes no sense for me to leave you alive this long. Paranoia is a powerful, powerful thing especially when I KNOW you get paranoid of me in LyLo and I KNOW you're going to considering I just beat you as scum in LyLo, so fuck that.

all in all,
i'm tired of running
i'm tired of pussyfooting around
i've tried to defend the best i can from nothing
but after this, i'm done

Vote: TiphaineDeath

[Nachomamma8]

Smh mafia, you know the td flip basically cleans me right?

it clears you from being red mafia, yeah
but everyone's clear from being red mafia so that doesn't help much

[Nachomamma8]

It clears me. Because I wouldn't have shot gif, in xfire

OK.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm probably going to end up voting you.

[Nachomamma8]

well i'm gonna let you guys catch up first and see how things strike me
i certainly won't vote when BRO has a promise to complete

[Nachomamma8]

i'm excited!

[Nachomamma8]

BRO I'm still waiting for your catchup buddy

[Nachomamma8]

can you post the halfway done part?

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA until the 18th. Hopefully will be able to sneak in a post here and there, probably not.

i like what you have so far BRO.

[Nachomamma8]

MS, I'm looking forward to when you actually do stuff!

[Nachomamma8]

I have over 500 posts in this game. I've done my time, and so am taking a backseat position for a moment.

[Nachomamma8]

I learned that the game was multi-factional when Rach flipped.

Why did you ask this question?

[Nachomamma8]

Update: Done with Day 1.

There's no reason to unnecessarily stall the game, just post what you do when you do it.

[Nachomamma8]

Why not just say what that reason is outright?

Because it should have been obvious, considering I would be a threat to the other scumteam as either alignment if my reads were right.

Nacho’s convo with TD about whether lynching blue or redscum first is better looks kind of bad because of how TD flipped. Nacho pushing for a redlynch could have been Nacho trying to move attention from bluescumNacho. MS siding with TD in this conversation is actually really strange and makes me pause for a second.

The game is going on right now because of a blue-scum crosskill, meaning that a blue-scum lynch on Day 5 would've been pretty bad.

[Nachomamma8]

And then we are at today where Metal’s arguments have been weak, although Nacho has taken a huge back seat to me which makes me a bit nervous.

i've been taking a backseat today because I've been aiming to give MS a chance since scum has been hiding behind my aggression for most of the game. i wanted to give metal a chance to show me he was town, he didn't take it in the least bit.

[Nachomamma8]

We only needed the crosskill that night because we mislynched SAD. Had we lynched blue scum, the next day would have been MyLo with 6 people.

but we'd also need three successful lynches in a row, which was the biggest problem.
crosskilling allowed us to get saved after our mislynch.

[Nachomamma8]

also, i'm going to use the bathroom, come back, and probably vote MS. please be online so I have as little of the "fuck, fuck, fuck" thoughts as possible.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Prohawk

[Nachomamma8]

ok. so far so good, considering i think you would be refreshing like crazy if you were scum

[Nachomamma8]

but can i get a little bit of confirmation?

[Nachomamma8]

YOU BASTARD

[Nachomamma8]

Okay, last rant post.

Nacho, next time you decide a replacement isn't going to affect your read, vote them before the replacement gets in. Kthx.

I was V/LA when MS was replaced out and had no access to a computer or else I probably would have.

[Nachomamma8]

I am not calling him VI for hammering me, I am calling him one for being an idiot, mostly for just plain not caring.

This is something you can't say. You put three days into the game, maybe 10 hours max? Before you got here, I already spent hundreds of hours in this game doing nothing but reading and typing, which doesn't include thinking, reanalyzing. Unfortunately, the approach I took to this game was to form a townblock that was too large to function, have it turn in on itself and reanalyze through people's analysis. When it crumbled in the wrong places, the game became more of a matter of who wanted the win more because I was uncomfortable with reading BRO but I knew I could read Sonic if he reached out to me and showed me he was town. When you replaced in, everything was pretty much resolved. Sorry I didn't give you the time you wanted, but I thought it would be more unfair for me to drag you out unnecessarily.

[Nachomamma8]

Question to Nacho--had it been me replacing in rather than ProHawk, would you still have hammered that slot?

no.
someone I actually had experience with and could trust myself to read despite paranoia glasses would've meant i would've been extremely needy, but no instant hammer.

[Nachomamma8]

Now he says if Mastin (likely another friend) would have replaced in, he would have given him the benefit of the doubt. As if the player affects the slot.

It's the readability of the player. I had read the game enough where the evidence I had built up leaning against MS had arrived to the point where one more perspective of someone coming from MS's slot wasn't going to do anything to change my read and I didn't want you to put time into a full reread when it really, really wasn't going to matter. When players that I am familiar with and can read replace in, I will give them the chance to talk; there are a lot of players that I like but would've insta-hammered the second I saw the replacement announcement (Faraday, CES, etc) simply because they were competent enough in a LyLo situation to sway BRO against me if town or sway me against BRO and I was happier with the decision that I made instead of a last-minute curveball.

[Nachomamma8]

Second the call on PH, but our interactions will drive you up the wall. And it'll probably be a TvT. Just saying

a little bit of pre-game WIFOM is my favorite

[Nachomamma8]

oh yeah and why the hell didn't varsoon die when andy shot him...?

[Nachomamma8]

BROseidon, Egil, Mechonis Aligned Jailkeeper, survives!

nvm

[Nachomamma8]

I was planning on hardbussing BRO but then I was like lol whoops okay sure

a good thing you didn't too.

[Nachomamma8]

one day i will avenge you, kallian.

[Nachomamma8]

[Nachomamma8]

please don't make me replace in again bork

[Nachomamma8]

[Nachomamma8]

i love you borky

[Nachomamma8]

yeah there were too many crosskills for scum to really need their fakeclaims.