Micro 276 Peek a Boo! Mafia GAME OVER

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First

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ETL are you scum?

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Wouldn't people with low probability lie about it?

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Did you read how the alignment is determined..?

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So, isn't claiming pointless?

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In that case, we should all have the same name. And I don't think that's the case.

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I don't get how it helps us, Who.

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If someone claims a high number but someone else got that they could be their partner, they're probably lying.

I don't think you realize that that's not how the "partners" were allocated.

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You don't know what that significance is. I am assuming it has something to do with the numbers that were rolled for us afterwards.

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Anyways, I can't see any better way of procceeding, so

72%, Who.

pedit: He did say that he's not going to tell us more about what "significance" means.

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Majiffy, how exactly will you scumhunt when scum don't know they are scum?

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If anyone actually reads it, sure

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lol at highest percentage being partnered with (so far) lowest

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ETL wai are you pushing quicklynches
I cant even call you scum for that because you dont know if you are

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Okay, but we can at least wait for everyone to show up.

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mhm

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Because you need no1 else when you have me

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Same.
Who killed my partner?

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Then did you get a "No result" response, Nati?

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uctriton, it's in the rules. You get results if you have results, you get "No result" otherwise.
If Nati was claiming he didn't get "No result", he was lying.

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Om? Why?

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You think the 99% was a lie then?

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I guess that means Nati wasn't the killer

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Yeah but Who killed Who

btw I investigated Nati

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Do you know with whom?

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You don't know whether they are town though, right?

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Wisdom (0)

: Investigate Natirasha (No result)

Natirasha (0)

: Investigate Jingle (No result)

uctriton00 (0)

: Investigate Wisdom (No result)

Majiffy (0)

: Watch Om of the Nom (No result)

Jingle (0)

: Kill Om of the Nom (No result)

EspeciallyTheLies (0)

: Investigate Wisdom (No result)

Om of the Nom (0)

: Saw he is neighbour with someone

So, since no1 targeted Who, someone is lying.

pedit: If Who tried to kill a PGO, the PGO would die too. If he targeted with something else, nothing would happen, therefore he wouldn't die. Therefore, no PGO.

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Majiffy, how come you used "Watch" when we knew there's a miller? The sensible choice was "Investigate", or "Kill" if you thought you are scum. Why "watch"?

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@mod

If there was a PGO, would you have him die if targetted by the vig?

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The only thing that stops me from suspecting Majiffy is that I don't think scum would be so blatant in going against the flow. The lying one is most likely in the ones who claimed using "Investigate".

Then again, it's Majiffy we're talking about.

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VOTE: uctriton

It's not me.
It's not Natirasha (mod error).
I don't think it's ETL because her "me too" on "I investigated Wisdom" looks genuine.
That leaves uctriton, who was quick to open the day with "I got no result guys".

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I should clarify that my argument is PoE. The opening post just makes sense with him being scum, it's not what made me vote him.

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ETL, do you disagree that the killer is in {uctriton, Majiffy, Om}?

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I explained it.

Majiffy because he weirdly chose to watch when we knew there's a Miller.
uctriton because among those who investigated, he looks the most fake.

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Regarding Om.
I think that if he is scum he has a ridiculously low number, so he chose to claim a ridiculously high one.
What troubles me though is that he didn't need to look at his PM if that was the case, he could just assume he is scum and try to kill someone.

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I agree that the Neighbor part is genuine either way, since it can be confirmed by the other Neighbor when they read their pm.

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ETL, I'm not voting Jiffy. I'm voting uctriton.

We knew there is a miller. The logical thing to do was try and investigate someone. If we all did it, we would find who the cop is. Or, if someone thought they are scum, they would try to kill instead (like Jingle did). Why use something like Watch?

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I don't care about %s. And I prefer uctriton over the other two.

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You're saying the existence of a miller makes using Watch as opposed to Investigate less reasonable? I think it would be the other way around.

How? The miller was dead.

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Nat that's kind of my point. Watcher makes no difference than cop, so I don't understand Wisdom's logic in that Jiffy's choice of watcher makes him scum.

I don't understand this. How does it make no difference? Miller points to a cop existing, not a watcher.

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I think it was plain ._.

Anyway, I don't really think it's Om. Let's do uctriton instead.

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No. I want to lynch uctriton because I believe the liar is in the ones who claimed used "Investigate", I know it's not me or Nati, and I don't think it's you.

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Because there was a miller, maybe?

pedit: ETL, I already explained it. Why do you do this?

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The only thing that stops me from suspecting Majiffy is that I don't think scum would be so blatant in going against the flow. The lying one is most likely in the ones who claimed using "Investigate".

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We know it's not Nat, ETL. Mod error, remember?

It's uctriton.

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Oh right.

It could also be you. It could be Om. It could be Jiffy.

Well, it's not me. And if you follow my logic about why the liar is most likely in the investigation claimers, uctriton is more likely than the other two.

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Why don't you want to vote om with me?

I've explained that as well.

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Show me where I lied about anything

The fuck? Where did I accuse you of lying?

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Given uc's quick night action disclosure, I don't believe he shot anyone last night.

I don't understand this. Why wouldn't scum come in and post "hey guys I got "no result""?

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uctriton, we have established one of us is lying. When I say "the lying one" I refer to the one who shot Who.

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..really?

I still refer to the one who shot Who. We know that one is scum.

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ETL, 312. I don't understand why the fuck you're leaving uctriton out.

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He did? He claimed he investigated after Natirasha had claimed so.

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That's not a "I investigated" claim. That's a "I got no result" claim.
He did wait to see what ACTION the others did, and he said he did the same as the one who claimed before him.
And I once again ask you, why the shooter wouldn't start the day with "I got no result"?

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That's not a "I investigated" claim. That's a "I got no result" claim.
He did wait to see what ACTION the others did, and he said he did the same as the one who claimed before him.
And I once again ask you, why the shooter wouldn't start the day with "I got no result"?

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He waited before claiming what action he took....

as did I

but you are not pushing me?

You amaze me sometimes.
Is my point that waiting before claiming is scummy?
No, it isn't.

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Seriously now, ETL? That's why I'm voting him?

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No. I want to lynch uctriton because I believe the liar is in the ones who claimed used "Investigate", I know it's not me or Nati, and I don't think it's you.

Here, ETL.
The only reason I am even talking about the whole claim thing is because YOU are arguing that his claiming "I got no result" somehow means he is not the shooter. And you're still not explaining that logic to me.

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If you agreed with it though, would you see uctriton being scum?

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Sure, uctriton, but I also believe you would easily make that up as scum.

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If you agreed with it though, would you see uctriton being scum?

No, I would see you as scum.

Ok, explain to me why uctriton isn't.

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I have reason to believe it's not that good, but whatever. You're wrong. Your assumptions don't make any sense.

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^lol

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Sure, uctriton, but I also believe you would easily make that up as scum.

^I'm not ignoring you, uctriton.

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Stop speaking to ETL about me in the third person, please. I feel like I'm talking to you and you're ignoring me and are talking to everyone else.

Whoooa.

Nice observation.

I need to think. I'll be back.

See how much stubborn you're being?
That's not a "nice observation", I have not ignored him at all.
But you refuse to see things as they are.

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I directly asked you to tell me what you believe and don't believe so you could stop, yet you keep talking directly to ETL

And I answered to you that I don't believe you because everything you have said is easily fakeable.

Excuse me if I care more about snapping ETL out of her stupidity right now.

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lol... wisdom! I'm not being stubborn. I am just considering the evidence.

ETL. Fucking listen to me. You are taking "uctriton is town" as a fact for some retarded reason, and that's where this whole thing stems from. He just posted that I am ignoring him, something completely untrue, and you went and said "ooh good point" without thinking, without realizing that it's actually bullshit. What's this if not stubbornness?

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You argued I was not responding to you and was only talking to ETL. I was actually responding to you, so it was indeed untrue.

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No, it's not a fact, it's just what I think is most likely. I did say that Majiffy and Om are also likely to be the shooters. I just find you more likely than them.

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shooter*

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316 is a direct response to 315.
318 is not a question. You're stating the obvious.
332 and 340 are asking me whether I believe you or not. I answered you in 341.

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I'm not implying it.

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Sent a kill on Who, it succeeded, you came in the thread and said "I got no result" like it said in the rules you'd get if your action didn't succeed.

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No, I don't care about it much. You could have done it as town too. It's just that I don't think ETL is the shooter.

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Given all of you selected Investigate for stupid reasons instead of the obvious "We have a miller", my Majiffy theory doesn't hold much water.
And I don't think it's Om.
Jingle looks genuine too.

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And sorry about that, but your stubborness makes me mad sometimes.

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uctriton, once again, the shooter now knows they are scum.

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There are not two town vigs, nope.

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Who was the town vig with no modifiers to limit his shots

He was 1-shot actually.
But how does that matter?

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3) He is the only one of us who has claimed to have taken no action at all.

Why is that scummy? He could easily claim he took an action instead, what would be the difference?

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No, it changes nothing. 1-shot or not, we don't have two town vigs.

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p-edit: It's easier for him to say that he didn't do anything at all, than to open himself up for questioning regarding his choice of action.

He is a neighbor, we know that part is true even if he is scum, because it's confirmable. Therefore he had no action to submit. I don't get your point.

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Wisdom, why did you choose Investigate, and why did you use it on Natirasha?

Cop because we had a miller. Nati because I can't read him.

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This isn't necessarily true. If scum had a high town % they may not have opened their PM yet, and as such, may have tried to investigate.

I don't see how this is disagreeing with what I'm saying?

The shooter knows they are scum now, and claimed doing something else (most likely investigate)

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Wisdom your entire argument is "Ucitron is scum because prove me wrong"
And then when people offer arguments, you rebuke with "Nah"
You're a valid lynch for the day today on that alone.

Not quite. My argument is that scum would claim having done something that goes with the flow (investigate) rather than claim they tried to watch or kill Om.
And what arguments have I not discussed and have not tried to show why they're wrong?
You're misrepping.

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It disagrees with what you're saying because scum with a high town % wouldn't have submitted a kill, they would have submitted investigate. Leaving Om to be the obvious killer.

But your reading comprehension is apparently el pequeño.

Jingle submitted a kill, so your point is invalid.

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Not quite. My argument is that scum would claim having done something that goes with the flow (investigate) rather than claim they tried to watch or kill Om.
And what arguments have I not discussed and have not tried to show why they're wrong?
You're misrepping.

Except you have no merit to make this claim because no scum (except possibly Om) knows they're scum. Ergo they have no motivation to lie about their night actions.

The shooter knows they're scum.

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Dude, seriously?

The shooter saw Who dying after they submitted a kill on Who.
Who flipped Vigilante meaning the shooter is not a Vigilante.
The shooter knows they are scum and have to lie about their action.

Which part do you not understand?

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That's not what I'm assuming, I just find it more likely than it being Om. As I did say though, the shooter is in {uctriton, Majiffy, Om} and I find you two more likely than him. I did not say it's unthinkable that it was Om.

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We'll never be able to communicate properly in any game ever.

Your point is that nobody would ever try to submit a "Kill" action without reading their role pm?

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I have a high percentage likelihood of being town.

Who says that the high percentage given was true?

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Your point is that nobody would ever try to submit a "Kill" action without reading their role pm?

My point is that it is neither pro-town nor logical to do so, so they shouldn't.

It's neither pro-town nor logical to use Watch when there's a dead Miller, but you did it anyway.
And we also have Jingle also trying to submit a kill.
So, what

should

happen is not necessarily what happens.

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You have demonstrated a clear lack of reading comprehension, logical progression of thought, and now a complete inability to grasp simple setup mechanics.

No, that's what you're demonstrating here.

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Explain to me why it is not pro-town or logical to use a watch with a dead miller, given what we know about this setup.
Explain to me why Jingle trying to submit a kill refutes my logic, rather than supports JingleScum.

Do you have inside knowledge of JingleTown?

Because a miller suggests the existence of a cop. The pro-town thing to do was investigate. One of us would get a result.
Jingle trying to submit a kill shows that there are people who thought "maybe I am scum, let's try killing" and submitted a kill. Which supports my logic.
I do know if Jingle is town but I don't think that the lying shooter would claim "I tried to shoot Om". And besides, the way he described his thought process looked genuine enough.

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And beyond that, explain to me why a player acting illogically and anti-town refutes the argument that the action was anti-town and illogical.

That's not what I'm trying to refute. The action maybe was anti-town and illogical, the point is that it could still happen. You are assuming it didn't happen just because it was anti-town and illogical.

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I do know if Jingle is town

do not*

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Now tell me this.

Assume Om has a ridiculously low percentage (say 5%), which made him claim a ridiculously high one. Why look at his role PM (which means he won't be getting any bonuses) instead of just assuming he most likely is scum and try to shoot someone?

Now assume the liar, someone other than Om, also has a low percentage and also fakeclaimed something relatively high. Instead of looking at their role PM (and stopping getting any bonuses), they assumed they are most likely scum and tried to shoot someone. When they saw they succeeded, they lied about their night action.

Which one makes the most sense?

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A watch is the most pro-town and logical move to make.

lol, and then you say I am unable to think logically.

How the fuck is watching a logical thing? What did you have pointing in a watcher being included in the setup? Nothing? I thought so. While there was a miller, which pointed to an existence of a cop. Sure, it could be a false positive, it could be weird setup mechanics, but it STILL was the only clue anyone had as to what PR they could possibly be. Why would anyone think that they are a watcher?

You're completely unreasonable and lacking common sense, which means you are arguing just to argue. You know I'm right.

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Jingle trying to submit a kill shows that there are idiots who think "Hey you know I've got a good chance at being town but instead of doing anything that could possibly help me if I AM town, I am going to take an anti-town action, to see if I AM an anti-town role, so that my playstyle can thusly be negatively effected in the thread where players are actively looking for other players that know their alignment to be anti-town. This sounds like the most logical and sound action I could possibly take as either alignment!"
So if your logic is supported by this being a logical move, your argument supports my logic that you suck at this game.

This is all irrelevant.
The point is one.
There are people who would submit a kill action, whether you find that logical or not.
Which means my theory is perfectly plausible.

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That still requires more players to take actively anti-wincon

How is it anti-wincon when they don't know their wincon?

Once again, why are you assuming that people have the percentages they claimed instead of low ones?

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So he would know who his partner is, and what his partner is.

He didn't need to do that. Not when it would put him under suspicion AND stop him from receiving any bonuses. He could just guess or assume the one the mod gave him is most likely the partner.

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Om being scum. It requires less conditionals to complete.

Not really.
The one that makes the most sense is the person with the low percentage not reading their role PM and just attempting to shoot someone. That way, they both confirm if they are actually scum, and they don't lose the benefit of getting the bonuses.

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Why would anyone assume they should play like scum when they have a better chance of winning as either alignment by playing assuming they are town?

They actually have a better chance of winning if they learn they are scum and actually kill people.
Which is what was achieved.

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Oh, I don't know, maybe because POWER ROLES ARE BEING HANDED OUT LIKE CANDY. WATCHERS AND TRACKERS ARE THE NORM WITH POWER-HEAVY SETUPS.

Fucking moron.

Once again.
A person doesn't know what role they have.
A miller flips.
The person gets a slight hint that they might be a Cop. They don't get any such thing for a Watcher, or any other role.
What's the logical thing to do? Try to investigate.

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Ergo, it is optimum strategy as scum to not try to figure out if you are scum, and just play as town.

Not really. Killing people helps reaching your wincon if scum. You can't kill people if you don't try.

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Om, I don't understand your apathy.

It's established that there is a liar among us, why do you not care at all to find who it is?

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Majiffy, do explain this to me.

You are trying to argue that Om is more likely scum than anyone else - so why are you trying to lynch me over Om?

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Because it's not established.

If Om submitted the kill, there could be no liar.

That's kinda my point. If Om is town, it IS established for him, no?

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Nope, you're the dummy. Once again, scum are far more likely not to read their role PM and stop the bonuses coming rather than reading it.

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Do you think its even possible to determine a liar from the herd when all you guys are doing is rehashing the exact same arguments at least 5 times and yelling insults both ways?

Ignore those and look at the initial claims of what actions were used.
Who do you think is lying?
Do you agree that the liar would most likely blend in with the investigators?
If so, which "investigator" looks most like a liar to you?

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Adddasfsfh

Pick a fucking side of the argument Wisdom. You have now supported both sides of the scum reading/not reading their role PMs.

Nope. My stance is that they wouldn't read it and just try and kill someone. Which is why I don't think it's Om.

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ETL probably.
Maybe Nat.

It's not Nat because the mod mod error'd, confirming that Nati got a "No result".

Why ETL over me or uctriton?

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I thought uctriton is more likely than ETL because of the way ETL claimed her investigation. She quoted uctriton's "I investigated Wisdom" and said "me too", that doesn't look like the way the liar would fakeclaim. I mean, they are already blending in with the investigators, doing it this blatantly is just too much. While uctriton's "lol I also did an investigation (what a surprise!), on Wisdom" looks a lot more like something that might be faked.

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Majiffy, once again. My argument is that I think Om would NOT pick up his pm if he suspected he is scum. And not just Om. Anyone who suspected they are scum would not pick up their pm. They would try to shoot someone. Picking up the pm has TWO negative things happening - 1) Stop bonuses coming and 2) Making them be the center of attention and draw everyone's suspicion.

This is my theory, and this is why I believe someone shot Who and is lying rather than Om being the shooter. I do not rule that out, but I find this the least likely scenario unlike you and ETL for some reason do.

Is it clear now?

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But what if he picked up his PM and

WAS SCUM ANYWAY?

Why do you ignore this possibility?

I do not rule that out, but I find this the least likely scenario unlike you and ETL for some reason do.

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Also I've given arguments for why picking up the PM if you suspect you are scum can be considered a good move despite the end of bonuses.

Okay. I do not agree with your arguments.

Picking up the role PM isn't alignment-indicative, so saying that they'll be drawing everyone's suspicion is silly.

Do you disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he did that? Would anyone care about him had he not read his role PM?

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You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

Is there even an argument for me being the killer?

Majiffy's (and ETL's, I think) argument is that you are more likely to be the killer because you read your role PM. They don't think someone attempting to shoot someone in the assumption they might be scum is that likely.

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I do disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he picked up his role PM. I think the reason everyone's attention is on him is because of his lack of a night action, his Neighbor claim which is not alignment indicative either way, and the happening of a night kill on a dead vig.

Would he claim neighbor/no action had he not read his role PM?

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I thought uctriton is more likely than ETL because of the way ETL claimed her investigation. She quoted uctriton's "I investigated Wisdom" and said "me too", that doesn't look like the way the liar would fakeclaim. I mean, they are already blending in with the investigators, doing it this blatantly is just too much. While uctriton's "lol I also did an investigation (what a surprise!), on Wisdom" looks a lot more like something that might be faked.

Om? Do you disagree with this?

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What exactly is it that makes your gut think it's ETL? Played with her before?

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Well, having played with her, I think her going all illogical and arguing with me like this probably means she is town. Not completely sure she couldn't pull it off as scum, but I don't think so.
And same goes for Majiffy, only in his case I could see him pulling it off as scum much more easily.

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Given he is arguing he thinks you are the shooter/liar, I don't understand how that's relevant.

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This is nothing, believe me.

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Om is not the only one who knows his alignment. Who's shooter also does, which means there will be more kills.

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Not the point. Even if it's Om, there will still be kills, therefore no-lynch makes no sense.

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What I find interesting is this;

Jingle claimed that his kill failure makes him town.
He then argued that no-lynch is good because the kill choice is random.
Why didn't he assume that the killer would shoot him, since (according to him) the kill failure proved he is town?

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...No? Why would he?

Therefore you agree that his reading his role PM is what resulted in the attention he got.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: no lynch

Sounds good.

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I don't think you'd be allowed to do that

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I still think it's uctriton - and the kill looks like it's meant to frame Om.

Anyway, what's the plan? We all read our PMs and massclaim?

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uctriton, wanna claim next?

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Are you even reading the game? That's what we are doing today.

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(Above is at uctriton)

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Nati, since you claimed, wanna popcorn to someone?

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Good. So claim.

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Eh, its not hard.

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I hate that you're popcorning to me. I'd prefer majiffy to claim next.

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Because I'd rather Majiffy do it, who is the most likely shooter after uctriton. But I will if people insist.

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what caused your suspicions to change.

What?

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It does sound good.

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Nope. Majiffy > Om.

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uctriton just further confirmed he's scum, as far as I'm concerned.

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Anyway, I am not the neighbour and given 562 I assume Jingle isn't either. So Om, is Majiffy your neighbor?

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Yeah, that's the idea, that's why you don't popcorn to me before Majiffy.

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You make the most likely scum people claim first, not me. Especially from your PoV, Majiffy should be almost confirmed shooter.

Anyway, Majiffy is apparently the second neighbour, so it doesn't matter much.

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So you think I'm more likely to be the shooter than Majiffy?

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I will, confirm if Majiffy is your neighbor first.

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I will, confirm if Majiffy is your neighbor first.

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I never said you are a liar, except to call you THE liar (aka the shooter, the one who was lying about their action yesterday).

Also we know Natirasha is not the shooter.

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Mod error, beginning of D2.

I'm a Follower.

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popcorn Majiffy, unless Om confirms hes the neighbor in which case Jingle can finish the massclaim.

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You've been really following the game.

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Anyway, yes. Nati was supposed to get "no result" but didn't, because the mod forgot. He then fixed it.

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You are. And it's your turn to claim.

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t. They will be told what present they received.

Guess that was a bonus?

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Mhm. I guess that was the case for the Miller too. He would become vt, then something else.

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Claims:

Wisdom - Follower (+bonuses)
Natirasha - Tracker (+bonuses)
uctriton00 - 1-shot Active Bulletproof (+bonuses: +1shot Active BP, +1 shot Passive BP)
Majiffy - Neighbour (+bonuses: DayCop on Neighbor, Day RoleCop)
Jingle -

Hated

VT

Day Santa
Om of the Nom - Neighbour (no bonuses)

Flipped:

Wake88 - Miller
Who - 1-shot Vigilante
EspeciallyTheLies - 2-Shot Commuter (had gained one bonus)

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Majiffy, results?

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Do we have both a Follower and a Tracker? If it was another setup I'd take that to mean Nati is scum, but here I'm not sure given the whole search about who has what ability.

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Nati, who do you think is scum?

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Do you think uctriton is a scum BP?

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Not dayvig, but yeah, it's plausible.

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You said I'm a policy lynch, not a FoS.

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The shooter wouldn't get a no results since their action succeeded?

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Yeah because we would totally believe you

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I don't think they're both scum. Majiffy probably is though.

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And you're right about the error, I guess the mod could just have forgotten to send the successful kill pm, still an error.

[Wisdom]

He doesn't make any sense. How did I go from policy lynch to being a FoS?

As much as it hurts, uctriton is probably town and it's majiffy/Nati.

[Wisdom]

What? Didn't you say I'm your FoS?

[Wisdom]

Om, how sure are you on Majiffy town?

[Wisdom]

Why?

[Wisdom]

And why is it Nati/uctriton?

[Wisdom]

I actually find your Om/Majiffy possibility more likely now.

[Wisdom]

I don't think that's that important.

[Wisdom]

yeah no

[Wisdom]

And why is it Nati/uctriton?

@Om

[Wisdom]

Majiffy was saying I'm his fos, so I was guessing it was you who convinced him.

[Wisdom]

That came after his "I talked with om"

[Wisdom]

Right. And what did you think before he convinced you?

[Wisdom]

What would you prefer doing over NLing?

[Wisdom]

Lynch Majiffy, prob.

Considering you disagree with a NL, you don't sound any confident.

[Wisdom]

Ok, why is majiffy scum again?

[Wisdom]

Whoever of you three is town is terrible. All of you look like scum right now.

[Wisdom]

Nati for a visible lack of scumhunting drive/direction since reading his role PM.

Your reason for him being scum is actually worse than his one for you.

[Wisdom]

instead of their actions after reading compared to before reading

Do tell me how anyone's actions are different before reading and after reading.

[Wisdom]

The latter. It could just be apathy. Other than me and Jingle, nobody seems to care about this game.

[Wisdom]

In his ISO you'll note he was pushing and leading a lot of this game

Show me where that happened.

[Wisdom]

None of this is pushing or scumhunting. Compare them to his last post about the neighborhood thing, it's the same thing.

[Wisdom]

Well, how did the neighborhood talks go?

Do you still think Wisdom is scum, jiffy???

Majiffy+ucitron is where I'm heading right now sorta.

Why would he role cop you and not him?

By your logic, those ones are "scumhunting" and "pushing" too.
There's no change.

[Wisdom]

There has been no legitimate attempt at scumhunting since he read his role PM.

There has been no attempt at scumhunting by Om, you or uctriton either. I guess you are all scum.

[Wisdom]

Those aren't scumhunting and pushing, those are soft attempts to discredit me and test the waters on my lynch.

The point is he is posting in the exact same way as he did before. He didn't scumhunt before, he isn't scumhunting now. This is a very bad reason for calling him scum and the fact you're trying to stretch it makes you look even worse.

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I'm struggling a bit with apathy for the outcome of this game too, Wis. I just really want to see the setup info, and it's making it hard to scumhunt. (Scumhunting probably means longer game.) I literally can't wait for the post game.

I know, this is what I'm saying. That's why Majiffy's reason is bullcrap. Especially considering Natirasha only cares about complex setups and stuff. After the massclaim he probably stopped caring even more.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, this is the shit that makes me want to policy lynch you in games. You're a fucking retard when you get to endgame and it always ends in you fucking town in the ass.

If you're going to be a blind tard then be a blind tard, I'm done talking to you.

Move your AtE and your ad-hom somewhere else, they don't work on me.

[Wisdom]

I love how you don't even consider me being scum anymore, despite me being "your biggest FoS" previously.

[Wisdom]

2. The quick 180 about the second half of the plan after forcing the first half to go through. Without the second half, Jiffy is right that we should have lynched yesterday.

3. The instigation of the mass-claim, which wasn't part of my plan for today. This is also all WIFOM-y as it is possible that he just didn't read my plan correctly, but I feel that someone who was scum would be less likely to read through all plans and weigh the consequences than someone who was unsure.

Jingle, I didn't respond to this previously because I wanted Nati to, but you're wrong here in that it wasn't Nati's fault that we massclaimed. It was mine. I thought that your plan said that we were to read our role PMs AND massclaim, while you had only said the former. Based on that, Nati's mood switch in regards to your plan is understandable, don't you think?

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I think it's pretty clear, Om. Majiffy is scum tunneling on Nati and doesn't get paranoid that I might be scum anymore, like he would as town.

[Wisdom]

Why would you think I wanted us to massclaim on a day we wouldn't be lynching? That seems kinda stupid IMO. Kind of like saying, "Here are your NK options, scum! Enjoy!" I wish I would've seen that sooner.

I don't know, that's what I thought you proposed.

But since you put it that way, isn't it better to lynch today since we massclaimed anyway?

[Wisdom]

Yeah ok.
It's Majiffy/Om.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: majiffy

[Wisdom]

If he flips town town loses, so retarded question.