Micro 279: Uncommon Mafia - OVER

[Bicephalous Bob]

nah we sucked pretty hard

/confirm

[Bicephalous Bob]

why are you implying I don't suck small dicks

[Bicephalous Bob]

why are you implying you do suck small dicks without explicitly saying it

because that's the only way to imply something

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: Wake88

let's quicklynch this guy

yessiree bob

are you telling yessirree to bob or are you telling me to yessirree

[Bicephalous Bob]

wake why did you say you only played one game as scum

[Bicephalous Bob]

wake why did you say you only played one game as scum

Please reread my post, because I never said that.

You'd learn that,

on MS

, I've only played as Scum once.

don't dodge my question

also why are you and klick pretending not to know each other

[Bicephalous Bob]

accusing you of stuff, trying to get you lynched

so why did you say you only played one game as scum on ms even though no one asked

[Bicephalous Bob]

How does that information help town?

[Bicephalous Bob]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alduskkel

Implosion, DLA, what are your reads on Alduskkel?

[Bicephalous Bob]

V/LA until 30-12.

[Bicephalous Bob]

why did you vote DLA

[Bicephalous Bob]

yessirree is town

leaning town on DLA and implosion

dont know about klick and bert

alduskkel is scum

[Bicephalous Bob]

yessirree why do you think bert is scum

[Bicephalous Bob]

Instead of asking me to explain my vote or attacking me for not doing so, Alduskkel says his wagon is shit.

[Bicephalous Bob]

aldi being concerned about his wagon is pretty alignment-indicative

he's not really pushing his lynches

[Bicephalous Bob]

His implosion vote was also bad.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klick

[Bicephalous Bob]

aldi's recent posts are cool

Then why did you not call out the implosion vote until just now?

dunno

what can i say

l2dealwithit

you have to maintain your wagon man

why would anyone want to get on your rusty rotten horse cart when the alternative is the brand new superflashy klick HST

[Bicephalous Bob]

why would I think aldi will outlive me

[Bicephalous Bob]

why isn't aegor the counterwagon

[Bicephalous Bob]

why isn't aegor the counterwagon

This is a weird question. You want a counterwagon to the wagon that you're on? What?

Read: "I don't like Aegor's recent posts."

If I were to vote Aegor right now, what would you do?

I'd be very proud of you.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Mac's posting makes me feel a lot better about the DLA slot.

is it even possible to have this opinion

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh and klick has been posting in other threads

[Bicephalous Bob]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bert

I think Aldi is his partner.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'd actually feel better about lynching Aldi. I'll be on a few hours before deadline.

[Bicephalous Bob]

other vanilla townies know you're telling the truth

duh

[Bicephalous Bob]

Aldi, Aegor, PhD or Klick.

VOTE: Alduskkel

The vanilla name is publicly listed in the first post.

That's a sample PM. It's not exactly the same as a VT.

[Bicephalous Bob]

BB, does Aegor not flipping as Vanilla Townie mean he didn't vanillaize himself last night?

I'm pretty confident implosion, Yessirree and DLA are town, implosion being the towniest.

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: Klick

Why did you visit yessirree knowing he could very well be nightkilled? You must have considered the possibility of a tracker.

[Bicephalous Bob]

can we massclaim

[Bicephalous Bob]

I doubt there are any useful roles left with no N1 kill and a firefighter

[Bicephalous Bob]

DLA was scummier than I remembered

Mac is crazy scummy

[Bicephalous Bob]

UNVOTE:

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'm a Town Compulsive Loyal Conspiracy Theorist Ensign, an alien-flavored cop/miller. I have to follow orders from a captain. Klick isn't alien. My captain probably is, which is why I'm claiming. I think they tried to make Klick target himself, since he soft-claimed a power role.

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: Mac

[Bicephalous Bob]

no wait

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aldi

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'll try this again

I'm under the command of a captain who can tell me who to target

the captain who can tell me what to do is probably alien because it'd be impossible to counterclaim me if he wasn't

also what would be the point of having to follow the captain's orders if he's town

I wouldn't get any spectacular results unless the aliens are stupid or I'm stupid and wrong about the captain being an alien

also I'm a miller

[Bicephalous Bob]

I have a not guilty on klick.

[Bicephalous Bob]

impossible is hyperbole but you get the point

I don't think there are multiple factions so unless the baddies aren't aliens, Klick is town (I'm going to burst out in tears if I turn out to be insane). The aliens have a limited number of vanilla nightkills, but strong PRs in Greater Idea. Captain and arsonist make perfect sense as roles for the aliens.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Mafia vigs do exist. Aldi, what did you know about my role before my claim?

anyway my results probably aren't worth shit if you're town

[Bicephalous Bob]

not if the faction doesn't have a vanilla nk

[Bicephalous Bob]

I don't think Klick and Aldi are scum together.

That's a little odd considering Greater Idea Mafia (which this game's role PMs are based on, see post 2) contains neither a Firefighter nor an Arsonist.

what was the point of this post

why the vote on Aldi?

still not convinced aldi is town

not if the faction doesn't have a vanilla nk

But the kind of mafia vig aldi was talking about *does* have a vanilla nk:

Imagine having a Mafia Vigilante who can use their action in addition to the factional kill.

In addition: how did Alduskkel's name start being abbreviated to Aldi?

so your point is that the arsonist can't be alien because there can't be a mafia vig in vanilla micro games

that's not very solid

the nickname is probably my fault

[Bicephalous Bob]

well I could be insane or there could not be aliens at all or the aliens have a redirection thing or they have a godfather

but I didn't get the feeling klick and aldi are scum together from the way aldi claimed

[Bicephalous Bob]

there might be no aliens at all is what I was trying to say

[Bicephalous Bob]

But you still said the Captain was probably an Alien...?

I just said that to make claiming scarier for you. I figured you were more likely to refrain from claiming as scum if I pretended to think the captain is alien.

The only thing that doesn't sit right with me is the "firefighter isn't a greater idea role" comment. Captain doesn't even make sense as a greater idea role. Why did you say that?

[Bicephalous Bob]

BB, could you prod Klick, PhD and Mac?

[Bicephalous Bob]

no that's barely mafia

we either have alien arsonists or either my or bert's role is useless

[Bicephalous Bob]

I think yessirree and implosion are town based on posting. I don't think Aldi and Klick are scum together. This means at least one of you and mac is scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mac

[Bicephalous Bob]

massclaim

Mac -> PhD -> yessirree -> implosion

[Bicephalous Bob]

Role name?

[Bicephalous Bob]

why does your role indicate the existence of an arsonist

are those the only categories

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bob answer my question. Why are those people listed town and why are other people you listed scum?

most people haven't done anything spectacular lately and I don't like to actively search for reasons

[Bicephalous Bob]

it's just PhD and you now

[Bicephalous Bob]

why would your role even need a compulsive visitor

all self-vanillaizers and the captain are misc

I really think it's one of {Mac, PhD} with one of {Aldi, Klick}

I'm currently leaning towards Mac/Klick

[Bicephalous Bob]

The only people you can sort-of confirm are PhD and Mac. You should get the "x didn't visit anyone" message.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'm confused, I swear you said you had an inno on me/klick. Is your working theory that ALL of the town PR's are red herrings and we're basically playing mountainous? Alien are the one scum faction that don't have a regular NK, and we have two roles related to them, plus this is titled "uncommon" mafia, so I think it's a pretty good bet we're looking for aliens...

I don't have a reason to believe I'm sane

I want to lynch mac first though

Care to explain the statement in 382 I quoted above? Why would you think scum have a redirect?!

I don't

I said the captain is scum and made me target Klick because he soft-claimed a PR

just to put some pressure on the claim

[Bicephalous Bob]

Well we've got two days and so far I've seen no reason why I should be voting Mac while I have every reason to believe that Klick/serra is just straight up an Arsonist. You guys do realize that Klick got really coy about claiming Day 1 when he was essentially a MILLER, right? Who even does that?

klick

yessirree what are your reads

[Bicephalous Bob]

I don't have a reason to believe I'm sane

wat.

I just looked through bb's mod meta and in one of his most recent games all VTs were mafia cops and the anti-town faction weren't mafia so suck it

You did bring up redirects out of nowhere though...:

I think

they tried to make Klick target himself, since he soft-claimed a power role

.

I'm not talking about redirects. I said I thought the captain thought klick was the cop.

You realise klick claimed before yessiree revealed the nature of his role, right? How the hell would klick have known to claim something that would come up as "misc" for follower if he didn't know yessiree was a follower? Visitor isn't even on the list of Greater Idea roles. With tracker/watcher generally more common than follower, you're presuming some serious luck from klick in claiming something that fit yessiree's result.

it was pretty obvious yessirree was going to claim an uncommon tracker variant

What do you guys think of infinity's claim?

not much what do you think

Bob, do you think aldi is town then? Do you know what happens to your skill if he dies?

he's more townish than you

yeah but not telling you

Balance-wise, if we're playing 6-2-1, I would sort of suspect either yessiree or aldi to be scum.

is it even possible to balance 6-2-1 with two killing factions

I think at most one of Mac/PhD is scum. My vote goes for Mac. If we're looking for 3 scum, implosion could well be a 1-shot lynchproof alien.

I actually think we might have Mac as the real arsonist, with an alien team of implosion and one of {yessiree, aldi}. If the firefighter is a red herring, it's quite possible implosion's role is too, in which case I could see Mac and one of {yessiree,aldi}.

either my reads or your reads are really bad then

[Bicephalous Bob]

bb, please prod PhD

[Bicephalous Bob]

klick did that as town in micro popcorn mafia

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: PhD

Aldi please change my target to mac

[Bicephalous Bob]

5 hours until deadline

[Bicephalous Bob]

UNVOTE:

[Bicephalous Bob]

hanzo claim in your first post

[Bicephalous Bob]

claim dude

everyone tell him to claim

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bert is lurking hard but town does not lynch lurkers.

you could've at least checked the flips before you made this statement

anyway consider yourself to be on L-1 and the most probable lynch

claim

[Bicephalous Bob]

no claim before you finish reading this or get lynched

VOTE: Hanzo

[Bicephalous Bob]

Mac is not alien.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I don't think there are any aliens if yessirree's claim is true. It's fair to say either he or mac is scum, if

BB, does a self-vanillaizer lose his self-vanillaizing ability when vanillaizing himself?

just to be sure

[Bicephalous Bob]

the only alien team I can see is aldi/yessirree

[Bicephalous Bob]

what of it

[Bicephalous Bob]

what of it

no no I just thought that it was already painfully obvious that we're the only valid alien candidates now

implosion?

who you gonna lynch today?

one of you and mac

probably mac

prod mac please

Bob: why is implosion town?

I'm no good at explaining my townreads

[Bicephalous Bob]

BB, does a self-vanillaizer lose his self-vanillaizing ability when vanillaizing himself?

Yes.

If you were a compulsive self-vanillaizer you wouldn't have done anything last night

[Bicephalous Bob]

so you don't think mac is playing dumb?

[Bicephalous Bob]

mac why are you so sure yessirree is telling the truth

[Bicephalous Bob]

what do you mean by that?

he doesn't seem to entertain the possibility you're lying

mac why are you so sure yessirree is telling the truth

Maybe because Mac knows yessiree is town?

maybe

[Bicephalous Bob]

@Bob

: I'm having difficulty understanding your thought process from a reread. There's the occasional question, but few explanations as to why you're making the votes you're making (apart from the vote on Hanzo). Was the vote on PhD pre-replacement a deadline lynch, or something else?

I wanted an aldi lynch on day 1, because it seemed like he was pretending to be a passive player

A Klick lynch seemed okay but the wagon was bad so I didn't like that

I was also confused by the lack of an Aegor counterwagon

in the end I wanted to restart the aldi wagon but I was the only one so I decided to push bert because lurker lynches are fun also association without flip

On day 2, I wanted Mac dead but I was the only one so I compromised because convincing people is hard

I have entertained the possibility of yessiree lying. By stating that there is one scum between yessiree and serra.

that was before you understood the conflict between your claims

it's pretty weird that you haven't commented on it at all

"If Serra and I are the scum team, why would I do our factional misc thingy if Serra has claimed something that investigates as misc?"

or

"Alien Follower is basically the same as Mafia Rolecop."

or something like that

BB, does a follower get notified if a player performs both a factional and a individual action of the same type?

[Bicephalous Bob]

yo

[Bicephalous Bob]

why do you read yessirree as town based on his play

[Bicephalous Bob]

why did you softclaim your role before making klick claim

in retrospect it looks like you wanted klick to out his role rather than setting him up to claim something incompatible with your investigation result which is what I'd done as a follower

well not if I were scum and I knew klick would claim his true role in which case it'd be better to hint to my role before making klick claim so no-one would believe him

[Bicephalous Bob]

why did you say stuff about your role other than I have an incriminating result on klick please claim

he could've claimed miller or something like that in which case you'd know he was lying straight away

first you said "I know you did something last night" ("I'm a weak investigative role!"), then you told him to just claim role type ("Claim something in the same category as your role, but town-aligned.")

[Bicephalous Bob]

not your role, but your alignment

Your question is pretty vague, so I'll just re-iterate: it's to not show my full hand before committing.

my question wasn't why didn't you show your full hand but why did you show part of your hand

but that's sort of answered now

[Bicephalous Bob]

I just did?

[Bicephalous Bob]

besides, it's not uncommon for town PRs to intentionally mislead the target they investigated with a result that could indicate guilty

so why did you do the exact opposite

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'd feel very uncomfortable if my partner speculated about his own alignment like cfj did

Mac/serra is the most probable and this is where I stand atm
Mac/Bob, I don't think Bob is scum, and since they are not both scum at the same time, so in the off chance there is one scum between them I'd choose Aldi as scum
Mac/Aldi is possible but I don't see Aldi as scum
Mac/TCFJ, I have considered this, but given the amount of effort put in by CFJ, this is unlikely
Mac/yessiree, why would we 1v1 when it's potentially mylo

Aldi/yessiree, I haven't considered this pair, but it would only fit into the 6-2-1 category with the lone arson as the extra anti-town faction, since if I was arsonist AND a follower, who am I supposed to follow?
Bob/yessiree, I don't see this, one that takes orders from town to investigate for alledged "aliens", one that investigates for... what?
TCFJ/yessiree, haven't thought of it
serra/yessiree, not possible since my play so far would only include busing attempts

I'd definitely not respond by doing the same thing

[Bicephalous Bob]

still mac/klick or you/sir

leaning to mac/klick

[Bicephalous Bob]

(my read on serra's slot is mostly based on klick's play)

[Bicephalous Bob]

uhm

[Bicephalous Bob]

read 682

dont try and fling shit around when you haven't read the entire thread

that doesn't explain the worried smiley

[Bicephalous Bob]

This is stupid.

yeah

VOTE: Mac

[Bicephalous Bob]

I was also surprised people had zero issues with the Alien's claims, I thought the Captain claiming would cause immediate "Why the hell wouldn't you have Cop check you then Alduskel?"

assuming aldi was town this would've been the non-captain equivalent of a townie volunteering to be targeted by the cop like in newbie games sometimes happens

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh and well played scum