Micro 381 - 999 Mafia (Nonary Game Complete)

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3+5+7=1+5=6

1+6+9=1+6=7

2+4+8=1+4=5

There, can we just roll with these groups instead of spending half the day talking about something that is completely random chance and impossible for us to do strategically on D1?

5-Vote: Akane, Flames682, ThirtyFour

6-Vote: Quilford, Parama, Reck

7-Vote: Bins, Not_Mafia, Jackel98

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@Mod: How do we resolve door votes vs lynches? As in, we don't know for sure who is going to get lynched until they are hammered, but we need to have our groups setup accordingly.

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I'm bad at typing.

EBWOP: @Mod: Lynches end the day. We don't know who will be lynched until then. But we won't be able to edit them out of our group votes. Will there be twilight for figuring out groups before a flip or something?

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yay I'm Junpei
So, IMPORTANT. I have a doublevote today but only for today so let's make the most of it.
Please don't randomly vote for groups, by the way. In theory it's best for us to send out two groups a night while there are enough people left for two groups and then one group that doesn't contain every player after that point; we should decide a lynch before we decide on groups, I think, that would be best in the long run.
Alternative plan is to only send players generally not under suspicion into doors so we can decide on groups later.

Anyways:

Vote: Quilford

Sup

Uh how do we make the most of a D1 doublevoter, exactly? That's functionally a useless role.

Why is it best for us to send two groups? This logic doesn't make any sense... there will ALWAYS be enough people to send two groups. We should be sending 3-4 groups while we still can, not 2.

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We'll lose the doors after using them, so wouldn't it be better to use them when we can use them strategically?

Exactly how long are you expecting a

nine player game

to go?

D1: 9 players
N1: 8 players
D2: 7 players
N2: 6 players
D3: 5 players AAAAND LYLO

We have basically two nights to use the doors, why on EARTH would we wait?

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In fact, we should probably have most of the doors used up by D3 so we can get as much information as possible for potential LyLo... and if it's NOT LyLo on D3 (because we got a scum lynch), we can just massclaim and decide who to send through one of the two remaining doors.

This is actually legitimately the best plan.

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@Jackel: Did you only vote me because you disliked my suggestion on how to use the doors? How did that make me vote worthy?

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Why was I scummy?

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And why am I no longer scummy?

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At first, I saw you as trying to use up all the doors as soon as possible. I still think that three groups is too many, but after you posted your reasoning, I lost my reason to be voting you. Still in the beginning of the game, but this game is already interesting.

I have a question for everyone: How should we group people into doors? Randomly, or not randomly?

PEDIT: I think I answered what you addressed in this post, but just to clarify: I didn't unvote because he questioned my vote. He couldn't even have responded to my vote, considering I unvoted in the same post.

Okay, why do/did you think using up all the doors is pro-scum?

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Hmmm. It's iffy but I'm willing to say Jackel is town, and Flames, too. That may change though.

VOTE: Akane

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@ Reckoner: Why do you assume we'll be in 5p LyLo on day 3? Is this the most common way a 9-player-game goes?

Yes. Yes, it is.

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2:7 is about the ONLY setup that can work for 9p games.

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Hey, a real wagon!

VOTE: 34

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@ Reckoner: Why was flames being put at L-1 not a real wagon?

Because Flames is town and that wagon was silly.

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PEDIT: Reckoner, care to explain why you're jumping onto the wagon?

Because I have town reads, null reads, and then the 34 wagon which is, "At least there are actual reasons"

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@ Reckoner: Why are you townreading Flames? Why are you so sure he "is town"?

I liked his post 40 in relation to my questioning of Jackel98. It's weak, but it's something.

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I think, upon extensive questioning of Jackel, his thoughts/reasons behind the weird actions made sense to me. Usually, I'm pretty good about sniffing out bullshit like that.

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Never make this kind of post. If Akane had anything to say she already would've, all this does is draw attention to a player without giving any good reason to. It's scummy as heck.

You're bad and you should feel bad.

34, holy fucking shit, it's a goddamn game, relax. Wow.

Akane real scum actually so we're gonna do this now.

VOTE: Akane

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gut read, but his posts just seem of

Man it's a good thing we're not like way past the point where having "gut reads" and posts seeming "off" are acceptable justifications for reads, right

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Saying someone is scummy because of "gut" and "posts seem off" when it's your only evolving read is very bad

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zzz quilford misreading me nothing to see here

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Jumps on Jackel quickly saying "Did you only vote me because you disliked my suggestion on how to use the doors? How did that make me vote worthy?" as if there were any worthier reasons to vote anyone 22 posts in.

oh so we should just never leave rvs or try to ask ppl about their reads right? ok ty glad to know youre functionally retarded

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Votes 34 with no reasoning, saying he's jumping onto the wagon because "At least there are actual reasons" without stating what those "actual" reasons are. (It's a bit awkward that he later tells 34 "holy fucking shit, it's a goddamn game, relax"; it's hard to relax when people are voting you and not explaining their reasoning for it.)

as in there were more reasons to vote 34 over akane

akane was poe based on who i had at least moderate goodvibes from and it was a very noncommittal vote until i found something shinier (like 34 for instance)

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hey quil can you explain why you think I wouldn't explain my reads since you have obviously played with me before and seen me explain my reads

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hey quil can you explain why you think I wouldn't explain my reads since you have obviously played with me before and seen me explain my reads

'Can you explain why you think I wouldn't explain my reads' no idea

'Since you have obviously played with me before and seen me explain my reads' Not only do I not have any particular recollection of playing with you (apart from Team Mafia) (I suspect our last game together was >1 year ago), I don't think you've ever been town with me in a game, so. Considering you said 'quilford misreading me again', perhaps you could point me towards a game where I've misread you.

I just realized I confused you with DeasVail for some reason. Uhh. Sorry.

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Yeah, the point is that you haven't told us what they are.

II didn't have to, evveryone else did it

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Reckoner? Yes.

how do you know how aggressive I am as scum since you literally just got done saying the only game you remembered playing with me is team mafia

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I feel like Quilford's case is pretty applicable to most players in the game since it's page 7 and he starts by attacking me for not having a strong read yet

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I dunno. My kneejerk reaction to his case was to think he was scum because I didn't/don't believe he feels as strongly about my scumminess as he wants us to think he does. A big "case" like that on page 7 seems super reaching.

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Akane was just PoE? A very noncommittal vote? Then why is Akane now 'real scum actually'? What changed?

Dislike how Akane tried to fling shit in 34's direction after he started melting down by calling it AtE. Pointing at someone and shouting "Appealing to Emotion!" is a very easy way for scum to setup a mislynch, because way more often than not AtE is committed by a town player than a scum player... so trying to use it as Akane did feels really slimy.

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Uh no... the fact is the POINT of his case seemed to be built upon me having no strong opinions, so pulling apart every little thing in order to make me look bad for it seems ridiculous this early in the game

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The only person with a "strong read" in the game is Quilford, ironically enough, and it's a scumread on me that is predicated on me not having strong reads.

PEDIT: Akane, I have given my opinion on you/why I found you scummy. I've given my two townreads. What else do you want

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I think I need to claim

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WE AREN'T LYNCHING ME TODAY YOU DUMBFUCKS JESUS CHRIST THIS WHOLE FUCKING GAME IS MENTALLY HANDICAPPED

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I'm 7 and I'm a Friendly Neighbor. At night I can target someone who is in the same room as me and the mod will confirm to them that I am town, which is why I wanted to go w/ Parama & Quilford, bc they're the most experienced players and I'd rather have them know I'm town than someone I've never met before

HURR DURR WONDER IF I'LL DIE TONIGHT YOU DIPSHITS

now fucking unvote me

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you guys are aids

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Reck's reactions were awful because his first instinct to pressure was to misrep rather than address the points against him.

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VOTE: Parama

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OH ANOTHER REASONLESS VOTE I SURE DO HOPE I DON'T GET IN TWOUBLE

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No, read the fucking rules or don't replace in.

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>implying I'm not reading the game

I am reading the game. I don't have tolerance for people who can't even read the OP and ask questions that are explained in the OP.

Parama doesn't feel like his usual warm&fuzzy town self, I'm not getting good vibes.

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Yeah I'm not going to sit here and announce who I'm targetting with my friendly neighbor. That just tells scum who to kill, and I don't believe scum are restricted by rooms because then we could just NEVER GO INTO ROOMS and scum would never be able to kill and we'd get free lynches. Pie isn't an idiot.

The push by Parama is even worse.

You'll have to sit there and accept that there's a slight possibility that I could be scum gambiting and I could send my neighbor ability to my buddy who would "confirm" me as town but that would just result in mescum and my buddy putting all of our eggs in one basket.

I'm also worried that I'll be blocked, but I'm hoping scum's non-kill-abilities are restricted by rooms as well, and that we end up with me in an all-town room. Put me in a room with two townies that everyone trusts, and I'll pick one of them. I'm not announcing who I'm picking.

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@Akane: Who are you an alt of that you seemingly know what type of claim is a Reck style fakeclaim?

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Also you'd really have to stretch to say I had my fakeclaim planned from the very start since I wanted Quil & Parama in my room from the get go.

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on the 1% chance it's actually true

WOW THIS IS REALLY FUCKING BAD

The more likely scenario is that I'm town and telling the truth versus I'm scum and am going to gambit with my buddy. Objectively, if you consider every avenue I have to take, it's still more likely I'm town.

Akane trying to play it like it's way more likely that I'm scum faking than town telling the truth is disgusting.

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Ugh, I don't want to be in a room with any of you.

P.edit: Oh good, someone who has been scummy all game AND is hiding their true identity where nobody can meta them? FUN TIMES.

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I saw people suggesting scum would kill in the rooms which is why the game could last until Day 9.

P.EDIT: It's a big thing when Akane is using so-called meta on me (which might not actually be accurate) and won't reveal her identity to verify the meta.

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I mean this is all hypothetical but it'd be mildly insulting if the mafiakill was just a mafiakill with how big of a deal the doors are to this game

It'd be more insulting if scum just straight up couldn't kill anyone not in a room with them since that would make this game PoEable very very easily

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how do you think the mafkill works then?
does it matter what the doors are if the mafkill is just a standard kill?

YES BECAUSE IT AFFECTS POWER ROLES.

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No, I am making that argument. Fuck you, and fuck secret alts.

Give me one fucking example of why you believe this is a Reck style claim. Do it right fucking now. Explain why the claim is so genius. Explain why it makes 99% SENSE for the claim to be fake and 1% SENSE for the claim to be real.

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Now. Right now. No looking shit up. You clearly have an idea of a fucking "reck style claim" based on what you said so you have something already in mind. Five minutes, max.

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Ultra Mega Confirm Vote: Akane

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i really dont give a fuck

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i said just point out meta you have no fucking meta or you wouldve done it

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Yes, I am either dead or roleblocked tonight if mafia can kill through doors. That is what I'm saying I'm not going to announce who I'm sending my neighbor thing to because otherwise mafia will just kill them too set me up.

I forgot I wasn't voting Akane, but I'm serious about this vote.

This is very similar to how I caught out Nuwen during Destiny Mafia II. She blustered and pushed a bunch of fake "That's so Reck!" tells onto me to discredit me or make me look bad, but once they were put under a microscope, they had no actual backing or supporting evidence. Akane does the same thing, here... when town claims a confirmable role D1, it either forces scum to shoot that person, or find a way to get that person lynched. Akane is just grasping at straws, here, by saying THAT CLAIM IS SOOOOOOO RECK! She doesn't even bother explaining what a "so Reck" claim means or is... I say to back that up with meta evidence and she refuses.

Let me tell you how many games I've been scum in during the past two years: 8.
# of those games where I even claimed: 2.
1 of those was Red Wedding Mafia, which became infamous for my Robb Stark fakeclaim + hammer post in LyLo.
1 of those was Destiny Mafia, where I fucked up my fakeclaim and claimed something that was literally impossible.

1/8 isn't really OMG THAT'S SUCH A RECK CLAIM so yes, I'm very curious to know where this idea of me being a fakeclaim pr0 comes from

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VOTE: Akane

It's unreal to me that you call in the meta when it's about my supposed "claim style" and use that to discredit my claim... but you conveniently don't know what is probably the biggest part of my meta, which me becoming more belligerent as the game goes on. That's ridiculous to me. If ANYONE knows ANYTHING about me as a player, they know that I'm a belligerent asshole, yet here you seemingly have

~*~*~nooooo ideaaaaaa~*~*~

about that and instead insist that my belligerence is somehow related to me having a shitty scumbuddy? Seriously

what the fuck

?

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ALSO OF NOTE: I am a claimed power role that can confirm myself and Akane is

still

voting me. Her catchup wasn't a chance to reread and figure out who else to lynch, her catchup was just a way to twist whatever happened in the game thread into a "reason" for keeping her vote on me.

How is nobody else seeing this?

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SHE SPENT AN ENTIRE POST TRYING TO DISCREDIT MY CLAIM BECAUSE IT'S A "RECK CLAIM".

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Here's the problem I have. It's two pointed:

#1) Akane tries to discredit my claim

from the get go

by saying that it's my meta to make claims like this AND that it's MORE LIKELY to be a lie than to be true (with no actual backing as to why).

#2) Akane uses really obscure meta on me to discredit my claim (and refuses to cite sources on that meta), but then completely disregards probably the MOST WELL KNOWN ASPECT of my meta because disregarding it helps her paint me as scummy.

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Also, something from something I was skimming earlier made me not like Bins that much but I don't remember what it was.

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Can we fucking lynch it already?

lol, you're fucking high if you think you're getting me lynched today, sugartits

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Hey here's a fun exercise:

Here is the post in question. I have added numbers on each of the sentences (except the last two because they're not part of my argument for disbelieving the claim).

Exactly ONE sentence in that post is about disbelieving the claim because of meta. The other SIX SENTENCES are disbelieving the claim because it's too damn convenient with too much wiggle room to get out ever actually being "confirmed." This is blatantly obvious to anyone with working eyeballs and yet Reck is CHOOSING to latch onto it because it conveniently allows him to park his vote on me (someone who has been voting him for quite a while) and yell and scream about nothing useful.

Let's play, "show me on the doll where how many sentences you typed and how many of them are about what topic is at all relevant to anything I have posted regarding you so far"

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ok Parama fuck yourself

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like legitimately fuck you because you know some asshole is going to quickhammer

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CAN WE NOT FUCKING LYNCH ME AND LET ME PROVE I'M TOWN SINCE I LITERALLY HAVE A POWER THAT LETS ME DO THAT

holy shit is this seriously real life

like legitimately

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i cannot fathom in what ways it makes sense to FUCKING LYNCH A CONFIRMABLE TOWN ROLE

I didn't claim "doctor" which cannot ever be confirmed

I didn't claim "cop" which can make up bullshit

I literally claimed a role where THE MODERATOR WILL PM SOMEONE AND TELL THEM THAT I AM TOWN. Holy fucking shit fuck this entire group of people

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Akane Kurashiki, Jackel98, Parama

There's scum in here. GUESS WHO IT IS?

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1-vote: Parama, Akane Kurashiki, Quilford
5-vote: Not_Mafia, Reckoner, Bins

I am not fucking using my neighbor ability on either of these two. Why are Bins & Not_Mafia the "universal top two town reads"?

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parama

TAKE YOUR FUCKING VOTES OFF OF ME YOU FUCKING SHITSTAIN

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I want Akane dead but nobody else seems to be listening to me or reading how much weaselly horseshit she's doing to avoid suspicion so fuck it.

I will literally lynch anyone at this point. Anyone besides me. I have no fucking feelings about this game anymore. I think Grib looks pretty town, I guess, but fuck it, I'd probably lynch him too because I don't fucking give a shit.

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telling me to do something over and over again is not going to make it any more likely to happen

Okay, so you're actively doing one of two things:
- Trolling me on purpose
- Playing against your wincon

Which one is it

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because up until this point you were on the "reck is with the consensus town reads" plan then you fucking doublevote me to put me at L-1 for no fucking reason, other than to spite me

so, you don't actually believe im scum, otherwise you wouldn't have gone along with the plan, so you're either scum or actively playing against your wincon, which is bannable!

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did you
did you just admit to knowing my alignment

No, I said you're EITHER trolling me (as scum) OR playing against your wincon (as town)

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UN. VOTE. ME.

Because one of NOT_MAFIA or QUILFORD or YONCE is going to show up and accidentally hammer me

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You know, me/you/Bins can actually just decide rooms and end the day on our own right now

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You don't actually think I'm scum. You're just doing it to spite me. Lie to yourself all you want. I've claimed a confirmable town role, this is pretty fucking simple.

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I would like to go with Grib & Quilford, tbqh.

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I kinda want Akane/Parama/Jackel in the same room, so they'd be...

7-Vote [Akane, Parama, Jackel98
9-Vote [Quilford, Reckoner, Grib]

But then that leaves {1Bins, 4yonce, 6NotMafia}... so we'd either lynch NM and put Bins/Yonce in 5, or lynch Bins and put NotMafia & yonce in 1... but wait can we even use the 9 door yet

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fuck there is no 9 door GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

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Parama give me a night to fucking confirm myself please, I will do things for real tomorrow, once I'm conftown and once I don't have to constantly defend myself from morons attacking me. You've played with me before, me getting stuck on the defensive and getting fucking headlocked because of it shouldn't be news

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WHY EVEN LEAVE ONE VOTE ON ME

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I really don't fucking buy that there's a VT in this setup... I mean, maybe, but this seems like the place where Pie would put a bunch of cool power roles that interact with the room mechanic. Hmm.

That early claim is really bad, and also pretty noobtown though, I don't think newbscum fakeclaims VT that early with no danger of a lynch.

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Fine. I'll go with Grib & Bins.

PARAMA5 + JACKEL9 = 14 = 1 + 4 = 5
BINS1 + RECK7 + GRIB8 = 16 = 1 + 6 = 7
QUIL3 + YONCE4 + NOTMAFIA6 = 13 = 1 + 4 = 5

7-Vote [Bins/Reck/Grib]
5-Vote [Parama/Jackel]
4-Vote [Quilford/Yonce/Not_Mafia]

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HOW THE FUCK IS AKANE STILL GETTING AWAY WITH PRETENDING LIKE ME BEHAVING THIS WAY IS SHOCKING

jesus christ, she can get away with bringing my meta to discredit my claim but then when SAYING MY RAGE IS BECAUSE I'M SOLO SCUM, when COMPLAINING ABOUT ME NOT BEING MODKILLED, when STILL VOTING A CLAIMED FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR D1... she suddenly just doesn't know aaaaaaaaannyything about my meta

This is such bullshit

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@Akane:
lol then no, you don't know what you're talking about, because I usually devolve into this after being pushed too far

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I don't know who you are and it's bothering me so I'm unlikely to take any requests from you. You could just make this all go away by telling me who you are.

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oh my god you're gamma aren't you

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3 pairs

6. In addition, three to five players are required in a group for that door to open. No more, no less.

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I'm not going in a room with Akane

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I don't think Quil could've missed my point regarding Akane any harder

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I'm fine with either a yonce or a Jackel lynch, not against a Bins lynch either. I don't think there's anyone else I'd be happy with lynching today atm.

I don't think I'd mind a Bins lynch, actually.

@QUILFORD: My point wasn't, "You can't know my meta without revealing your identity" because yes, you're right, that isn't a valid statement. My point was that upon not revealing who she was, when asked to provide proof of meta tell related to my supposed fakeclaim meta, she couldn't do it. That raised a red flag. Then, on top of that, in order to perpetuate the idea that my raging is somehow related to my being solo scum, Akane would have to not know that

raging like a motherfucker is the thing I'm most infamous for

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No way does she supposedly have meta on me that says "Reck claims perfect fakeclaims!" (a meta that isn't actually remotely true or backed up by facts) but not know that raging and blowing up are par for the course as any alignment (a meta that anyone who knows me would know).

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Ugh. I'm paranoid about fucking everybody, especially after Quil's recent posts. But whatever.

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Here we go btw. This is the part where I get roleblocked because I'm stuck in a room with scum. Ugh whatever.

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Bins REAL SCUM btw

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yes

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k good talk

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^ That is actually smart.

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SHOCKING i was rb'd...still have my shot

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I understand if you guys want to lynch me. Honestly. This is just fucked.

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{Bins, Parama, Quilford, Parama, Akane Kurashiki}

Scum are here. WAT

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*shrug* We didn't talk a lot. Or like, at all. I didn't really get a read on any of them.

I'm not sure if every role is door restricted or just some. I guess it could've been Quil/NM. I just don't know how the rest of the shit works.

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But it's sooooo Akane, Parama.

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Actually, hmmm... it really could be Quilford.

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Reck, what exactly happened in your QT?

Me: lamenting about using QTs over PTs
Me: "so who should I confirm myself to guys"
Quil: "hey"
Quil: lamenting about not being able to read people this game
NM: also comments about using QTs over PTs, asks if we have anything we need to talk about

~fin~

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I think we put off any setup speculation/role speculation and do straight up scumhunting. With how little we know about the setup, we are taking stabs in the dark trying to figure out if I was blocked in-room or out-of-room.

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@QUILFORD: My point wasn't, "You can't know my meta without revealing your identity" because yes, you're right, that isn't a valid statement.

It's a big thing when Akane is using so-called meta on me (which might not actually be accurate) and won't reveal her identity to verify the meta.

Reck, what is this about then?

I want an explanation.

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DID YOU NOT FUCKING READ THE REST OF POST 542

LIKE HOLY FUCK

My point was that upon not revealing who she was, when asked to provide proof of meta tell related to my supposed fakeclaim meta, she couldn't do it. That raised a red flag. Then, on top of that, in order to perpetuate the idea that my raging is somehow related to my being solo scum, Akane would have to not know that raging like a motherfucker is the thing I'm most infamous for.

No way does she supposedly have meta on me that says "Reck claims perfect fakeclaims!" (a meta that isn't actually remotely true or backed up by facts) but not know that raging and blowing up are par for the course as any alignment (a meta that anyone who knows me would know).

YOU LITERALLY PICKED THAT QUOTE OUT OF THE POST WHERE

THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE IS THE FUCKING EXPLANATION

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My point was that upon not revealing who she was, when asked to provide proof of meta tell related to my supposed fakeclaim meta, she couldn't do it.

upon not revealing who she was, when asked to provide proof of meta tell related to my supposed fakeclaim meta, she couldn't do it.

when asked to provide proof of meta...she couldn't do it.

You can have your meta tells and me ignore them if we've played in a lot of games together and the meta holds up even a little bit.

But when you

can't

prove that we were in games together, and you

can't

actually provide any meta evidence to support your supposed meta tell, then no, that's a problem.

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merely addressing posts made to him

this is what i do

literally every game

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I don't care? I have a really fucking hard time caring about anything else going on unless it involves me. I'm a selfish player, I've said this a millioooon times.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

por que, el reckerino?

If we're voting between the people in my room, I think I'd rather go NM. Quil's whole, "If you're going to lynch someone because of PoE just do it to me today I don't want to dick around until tomorrow" thing is something I'd do as frustrated town.

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I... actually don't believe the roleblock.

why

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I'd like to not be in the same room as Akane or Bins tyvm

[xRECKONERx]

...or Quil...
...or NM...

[xRECKONERx]

2-Vote [Parama, Grib, xRECKONERx]
1-Vote [Bins, Quilford, Not_Mafia]

[xRECKONERx]

Why is Grib sitting out, again?

[xRECKONERx]

no not really

okay well do whatever i am at dinner

[xRECKONERx]

there's literally no way im going through a door with bins AND akane

[xRECKONERx]

2-vote: Akane Kurashiki, Quilford, Not_Mafia
4-vote: Bins, Parama, xRECKONERx

Fine. This.

[xRECKONERx]

wooow I really wish there was a game experience requirement on this game

USEFUL HUH? This game has literally nothing happening, ZZZZZZZZZZ

[xRECKONERx]

yeah idgaf honestly. I have no reason to give a fuck. Jackel has had basically 1 out of every 25 posts. In a 9 player game. It's ridiculous. Quilford isn't much better.

[xRECKONERx]

@MOD GAMMAGOOEY REALLY WANTED TO PLAY THIS GAME IIRC SO JUST GET HIM PLEASE

[xRECKONERx]

I think scum would've seen that doing so didn't end particularly well for yonce's slot, and wouldn't have done the same, but... who knows.

So, "here are reasons why it doesn't make sense for Jackel to be scum, but... WHO KNOWS? Let's lynch it anyway then when he flips town I can be right."

[xRECKONERx]

WELL NOW WE ARE NOT LYNCHING JACKEL.

[xRECKONERx]

WELL NOW WE ARE NOT LYNCHING JACKEL.

if there is a Reck/Gamma scumteam then you know where to find me

in the afterlife
because that's not a valid reason yet. YET.

The wagon on Jackel is mostly because of his inactivity, yes?

[xRECKONERx]

My point is what are the accusations against Jackel besides "he was inactive".

I'm not saying Gammaslot is town, because I didn't particularly have a town read on Jackel, it just seems like if the thrust of his wagon was inactivity, and now there's a replacement, the wagon won't really hold water.

[xRECKONERx]

gamma boooo

[xRECKONERx]

haha oh man pwnd since there are no flips or anything to make that relevant

#rekt
#360noscope
#REKT
#own3d

[xRECKONERx]

haha reck defending gamma's slot so hard. literally four out of the last five posts.

This seriously makes no sense. This is garbage content based on literally nothing only being put out there to make noise and appear like Quil has actual thoughts and valid opinions going through his brain.

[xRECKONERx]

Why the fuck is me defending Gamma's slot

even remotely relevant

?

Pointing out that I've been defending Gamma's slot AS I HAVE OPENLY DONE AND NOT TRIED TO HIDE is literally the definition of "information instead of analysis", aka garbage content.

Yes, I have been excited that Gamma is replacing in, and do not want his slot lynched until he can contribute. You are correct in your ability to pass literacy checks and read things that are written down on a screen, congratulations.

You implied, by laughing at it and the mere fact that you brought it up at all, that my "defense" of Gamma's slot is scummy/bad in some way. Please, Quilford, elaborate on

what

exactly is so remarkable about my four (4) posts in which I do, in fact, say we shouldn't lynch Gamma and wait for him to contribute?

[xRECKONERx]

Whether I said that or not is

STILL FUCKING IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT.

WHY THE FUCK IS ME DEFENDING GAMMA FOR [INSERT REASON HERE] SCUMMY

[xRECKONERx]

I'm not having a dialogue past that point about anything until you answer that.

[xRECKONERx]

Because his slot is likely scum, and your posts are attempting to dissuade everyone from lynching him today? Despite the fact that you, by your own words, don't actually have a townread on him????

So this entire thing being scummy is predicated on a flip which we do not have yet and you chose to point it out and fling shit my way because I'm a conditional scumread if/when that slot flips scum. Gotcha.

Just as baseless and irrelevant as I thought.

[xRECKONERx]

Despite the fact that you, by your own words, don't actually have a townread on him????

This part is even dumber.

Using this logic, your criteria for lynching people should be "I do not have a town read on them" instead of "I have a scum read on them". I don't read Jackel as anything. I've said that. The activity levels have kept that slot completely null. You are trying to say I should be voting/lynching Jackel/Gamma just because I don't have an active town read on it.

[xRECKONERx]

Despite the fact that you, by your own words, don't actually have a townread on him????

This part is even dumber.

Using this logic, your criteria for lynching people should be "I do not have a town read on them" instead of "I have a scum read on them". I don't read Jackel as anything. I've said that. The activity levels have kept that slot completely null. You are trying to say I should be voting/lynching Jackel/Gamma just because I don't have an active town read on it.

Hahahaha Reck goes into full misrep mode.

USING THIS LOGIC, MY CRITERIA FOR DEFENDING PEOPLE HARDCORE IS "I HAVE A TOWNREAD ON THEM". But you are defending Gamma/Jackel hardcore, and he's apparently completely null??

No, wrong. Defending Jackel's wagon, which is primarily where it is because "Jackel hasn't posted a lot", doesn't make me have to have a townread on him. It means I'm using my brain and thinking, "Huh, well if everyone's primary concern with Jackel was his activity, and we just got a replacement, then the wagon shouldn't really hold up."

lol lol lol no, I'm trying to say that IF YOU'RE TOWN you shouldn't be defending Gamma like he's your top town read if you don't have even a semblance of a town read on him. But you are. Hmmmm

I don't have a town read on anybody in this game. Literally nobody. I have reads that vary between "null", "scum" and "veryscum".

[xRECKONERx]

And you hadn't even proposed an alternative lynch??

This is the most damning part of all.

Not only was Reck strongly defending Gamma/Jackel

despite not having a townread the slot at all

, he wasn't even proposing someone else should be lynched instead. Despite the fact that a majority of players found Jackel worth lynching, Reck's trying to get that slot out of the firing line without even proposing we lynch someone else instead.

I assumed you had the mental capacity to say, "Hey, wait, Reck isn't voting Jackel and has been voting Not_Mafia for awhile, that's probably who he wants lynched!" I apologize, I will not overestimate your brain function in the future.

It all reads as really desperate to me, and I don't know why Reck as town would defend someone most people want to lynch so hard if Reck himself finds the slot only null.

Because:
- The wagon was primarily built because of activity. Jackel replaced out. Gamma replaced in. Activity is no longer valid. You could try to say that Jackel's was 'strategically lurking', but that'd be a stretch to prove even if it was true.
- Gamma was supposed to be in this game from the start but missed the pre-in limit by one slot. Pie was supposed to inform Gamma when the game started so he could play. I was disappointed that Gamma wasn't playing.
- I enjoy playing with Gamma. Even if he's scum, he'll provide content and opinions and make interesting things happen.

Not to mention that Reck hadn't even mentioned the person his vote was on for 13 posts before his 'gamma noooo' post.

NM has done basically nothing since I voted him except take potshots at me and avoid me. I'm not going to sit there and keep screaming for his lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck if you are reading everyone as some degree of null to scummy then you might not be doing a very good job reading

then again I already knew that

If you already knew that, then why even make this post?

Nobody has done anything that gives me a particularly strong town read on them. Everyone has been muddied/null/boring at some point, and some have gone further and been scummy, but nobody has done anything actively pro-town. What did I not read that should make me go WOW OKAY NVM THIS PERSON IS TOWN!!!!? Because it's not like we have any interactive associative reads to be made with our only flip being a dead VT.

[xRECKONERx]

then make a case based on stuff he said before then, because if you thought he was scum when you voted him then obv you have reason and you can, y'know, tell people these reasons

- When he "catches up" in post 63 after not posting, all he has to say is basically what I said about not bogging us down in bullshit setup spec/talk. He just parrots something non-content-related that I said on the first page of the game.

- After voting for Akane because her "theory talk is too general" (I don't really know what that means and I don't think he does either), he immediately throws mud on Parama but leaves himself an out. "Parama is so aggressive! That's odd. But maybe it's just playstyle..."

- He claims the first 2.5 pages were just theory babble that had been resolved. By the end of page one, people were engaged in non-theory discussion. He absolves himself of having to actually have an opinion on things by just categorizing it all as theory talk and ignoring it.

- Most of his posts are either him parroting someone else/fueling a fire already burning, or taking pot shots at someone (particularly me).

- While he's engaged with me and actively scumreading me, he leaves his vote on Akane (who I am arguing with, and who is tunneling on me).

- Throughout me/Akane going at each other, NM supposedly agrees with Akane, but also takes time to agree with me/find fault with things Akane says as well. It's all positioning to set up a lynch on either of us.


However, reading through his ISO, there is also some stuff there that gives me pause, like his reaction to the yonce VT claim, and his D2 speculation on the scum room kill mechanic. But there's also a lot there to dislike. I could probably find a stronger case on someone else, honestly, but his wishywashyness in regards to me/Akane D1 didn't sit quite right with me.

[xRECKONERx]

Parama, please ask yourself: If Reck was town, would I have to be walking him through how to play the game?

Oh is that what you're doing, you smug prick? Because I'm fairly certain your points don't hold water. As I've explained.

[xRECKONERx]

1) You're assuming the replacement will be active
2) You're assuming chronic inactivity isn't a scumtell in itself
3) There are reasons why Jackel is scummy that aren't inactivity related

1) Yes, I am. Because it's Gamma. And because if the replacement

isn't

active, then

the moderator will find another replacement who is

.
2) Chronic inactivity isn't a scumtell. Seriously? Seriously. This is a point you're trying to make...that all chronic lurkers are scum.
3) I understand that. NM pointed out that cautious voting and overall timidness were reasons. But

THE LARGEST REASON

(you know, which is why I said 'largely' earlier) why the wagon exists is because Jackel wasn't active. I have a hard time believing that the bits and pieces of the case left behind after you remove inactivity from the reasons are enough to warrant the lynch right now.

lol lol lol no, I'm trying to say that IF YOU'RE TOWN you shouldn't be defending Gamma like he's your top town read if you don't have even a semblance of a town read on him. But you are. Hmmmm

I don't have a town read on anybody in this game. Literally nobody. I have reads that vary between "null", "scum" and "veryscum".

So why are you defending anybody at all?

Because the other option is to just sit on the sidelines and show up and prod dodge every 48 hours and play the night game?

You hadn't so much as MENTIONED Not_Mafia's name for 3 entire days when you made your posts defending Jackel. How was anyone supposed to assume you actually wanted him lynched at all?

Because my vote was on him. I didn't know my posting frequency stopped people from paying attention to the fucking votecount.

[xRECKONERx]

How much of the Quilford/Reck mess is actually important. Serious question.

Here's the TLDR of it:

Quilford thinks I'm scummy for not wanting the Gamma-slot lynched after Jackel replaced out. Apparently, this is because he has both independent scum reads on me/Jackel, and also an associative read on the two of us being scum together. I think this is absurd, and his post trying to paint me as scum for soft defending the Jackel slot is nothing more than vapid posturing with no merit behind it. We then proceed to dig into the points of the case, in which Quilford says I should've proposed an alternative lynch (my vote was on NM), and says I'm somehow wrong for assuming chronic inactivity isn't a scumtell (because that's fucking ridiculous).

[xRECKONERx]

I only bring this up because Bins has the exact opposite feel as you re: NM; Bins dislikes this specific post a lot but doesn't find NM too scummy otherwise (or so I think IIRC?)
why you do think the reaction is town?

Because it would be so super easy to get a mislynch through by jumping on the EARLY VT CLAIM SO SCUM wagon. Nobody ever gets held accountable for that, and if he was scum, I would have expected him to just take the free lynch. I mean he could've done it for the barrels of WIFOM, but I'm not going down that route.

I could probably find a stronger case on someone else, honestly, but his wishywashyness in regards to me/Akane D1 didn't sit quite right with me.

you just left yourself an out here, ftr

he immediately throws mud on Parama but leaves himself an out

so you just lost one of your points against him. either it's a scummy thing to do so you're admitting you did a scummy thing, or it's not a scummy thing to do

I don't think it's quite the same. I said I could probably find someone scummier, and my post was about the entire body of posts that NM has made. NM's post was basically soft-scumreading you because of your playstyle, but in the very sentence admits it could just be a playstyle thing. It sits weird with me.

also the out in question pisses me off. "okay nvm maybe he's not scum but dammit I'mma lynch him anyway even though I am stating that there are people I could find scummier if I would bother to put in the effort for looking into"

Yeah, I'm being honest. I'm openly admitting my case isn't as strong as I thought... how is that scummy? What's the scum motivation, there? I'm not going to make shit up just to appear like I'm SO F*KING AWESOME BRO.

[xRECKONERx]

'OH MAN I REALLY WANTED A NOT_MAFIA LYNCH ALL ALONG DUH PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUCKING VC' yeah, that's why you voted Not_Mafia, without posting a case on him, without having addressed him in the past at all pretty much, and then subsequently didn't mention Not_Mafia's name for 3 days, except to include him in door votes.

Speaking of misreps!

You posited the question, "Who do you suggest as an alternative?"

I responded with, "The person I am voting."

In no way does that translate to OH MAN I FUCKING WANT A NM LYNCH I AM BURNING WITH DEEP GUTTERAL PASSION FOR HIS LYNCH.

'I only defended Jackel so I had something to do', lol, yeah, aside from pushing one of the 'veryscum' reads you allegedly have. or even N_M

In my mind, the Jackel wagon was built on weak bullshit. As such, I defended it when said weak bullshit became irrelevant. It's a horrible misrep to say I only defended Jackel so I would have something to do. That's completely disingenuous.

I said 'chronic inactivity is a scumtell in itself'. I did not say that 'all chronic lurkers are scum'.

In order for something to be a scumtell, it means town doesn't do it because

it's indicative of scum

, or that town does it so rarely that it's an anomaly and not the norm. Excuse me for taking creative license in saying "all" when I clearly meant it hyperbolic.

[xRECKONERx]

Gamma, you should probably claim in case someone hammers.

[xRECKONERx]

i actually don't have much against NM but hell I don't know there's no lynches that are particularly appealing, only particularly bad

Why were you jumping down my throat about not having any strong feelings regarding lynches but you feel the same way?

[xRECKONERx]

Holy shit that quote wall is fucking obnoxious.

@NM: I townread that D2 speculation because I don't think scum would engage how you did or dance around the topic. D1, sure, nobody has any information, I could see scum hiding in setup spec instead of actual content. D2 setup spec talk from scum seems too risky/out of character/potentially slip-worthy that they'd probably just stay away from it. (This is a lot of word vomit. I'm hungover and grumpy and still not quite awake, and I'm bad with forming complete thoughts.)

[xRECKONERx]

I want to lynch reck even more now

literally nothing has changed so what the fuck?

[xRECKONERx]

When I asked if I had to read the Reck/Quil bullshit, what I meant was "how much of their bitching is personal insults and how much of it is actually relevant to the game" and seeing as how it ended up with Quil requesting a replacement I think I had a pretty good idea before I went back and slogged through it.

Seeing as how Quil didn't replace out because of anything to do with me, uh, no

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote

I actually don't like a NM lynch. My honest feeling responding to him now is that I would have to stretch it to justify a hard scumread on him.

[xRECKONERx]

Okay.

Who do you want to lynch?

Akane, but there's less than zero support for that wagon.

Quilford wasn't making sense and looked scummy, but I don't think Quil is someone to ragequit as scum as some out-of-game ploy to win points for his slot. Willing to call Bulge town for now.

NM's responses to the case have made it harder to assault him and that's usually a sign that my case was weak and wrong from the start. Don't want to lynch.

There's something about Parama that has been bothering me but I'm chalking it up to intense paranoia instead of scum tactics. The way he's trying to form a town bloc out of his N1 door group seems like something Parama would do

as scum

... not that he doesn't form blocs as town, but usually he does that super early game D1 if he's going to do it. Coming out of Door 1 holding hands and singing Kumbaya is a little sketch IMO. Also, the way he jumped in to go BUT GAMMA'S PREDECESSOR ALREADY CLAIMED is really fucking suspicious,

especially

if the Gamma slot is scum.

Still moderately bothered by Bins, wouldn't mind seeing that lynch. I can't remember why but something was off/bothersome about her.

I would prefer not to lynch myself.

Funny enough, Gamma hasn't ACTUALLY given me good vibes. I expected something a little more from his replacement, though I'm not sure what. I also don't get his point of not claiming... but "nevermind, okay, I'll actually claim now and I'm VT". I also don't understand why he keeps insisting that all of the content between me and Quilford is irrelevant until tomorrow or possibly never. It's an odd stance to take and I don't know that he actually believes that. His questioning outside of the meVSquil debacle just seems fluff and not actually aiming for any real development or purpose.

Grib, I have no fucking clue, man. Guy's null as fuck.

Would Lynch

Akane, Bins, Gamma

Might Lynch

Parama, Grib

Don't Want to Lynch

Not_Mafia, The Bulge

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah I'm not using my power and you can fuck yourself if you put me in a room with Akane.

[xRECKONERx]

I know Reck won't agree with this vote (and frankly don't care) but this arrangement isn't about me and him, it's mostly about where I think other people need to go because ~setup speculation reasons~

No. No, you don't get to say, "It's not about what the claimed power role wants, it's not about what I want, it's about REASONS!" Fuck off.

plus some combinations I wouldn't mind are restricted due to two of the doors being locked (7 and 8). Also I was starting to come around to maybe thinking he was town but the fact that he's

not

willing to lynch either of the people he went through the doors with last night despite the fact that there was almost no activity in their QT last night and there's pretty much 100% at least one scum in that room strikes me as extremely, extremely suspect.

I, also, forgot to talk much there last night. There were, in fact, THREE (3) people in our QT, and NONE of the THREE (3) of them talked. Do you know how many scum are in a 9p game? I'll give you a hint, it's less than THREE (3)! If I'm town and can forget to check the QT or discuss anything there, why the hell can't other town people?

@Reck

: Is the replace out really the only reason you're dismissing Bulge as town for today? Can you elaborate more on your read there overall?

It's a big part of it, yeah. It's actually the only part of it. I just don't think Quil would do that as scum, period. All the other scummy shit he did leading up to that kind of doesn't matter.

[xRECKONERx]

so you will not use your power, and thus almost certainly be lynched tomorrow, because we put you in a room with one person in particular?
so we should lynch you today then is what you're saying

Sure, who the fuck cares?

I don't get a say in it and you're putting me in a room with someone I can't stand and wanted dead moons ago.

[xRECKONERx]

You don't like me not wanting to lynch Quil because of the ragequit (which you admit is pretty town, and you always don't want to lynch him) but you don't like me saying almost exactly what you did.

[xRECKONERx]

mod pls vc

[xRECKONERx]

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

[xRECKONERx]

I'm not actually sure what in particular you're talking about there but if you maybe pointed to the post in question I'd happily respond

also I will admit that Quil's ragequit is pretty town but it really, really does not mean everything he did previously is 100% meaningless
I mean, I don't want to lynch him/Bulge today anyways and they're probtown, but
I don't like Reck pulling a huge 180 simply over that

literally two posts up

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah I'm not using my power and you can fuck yourself if you put me in a room with Akane.

So use it on Parama? Or try to negotiate the rooms? You're a confirmable role and it's as if you're asking to be lynched.

Yeah, because the one thing I've insisted on is not being with Akane. Then, Akane (my top scumread) comes in and goes I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF RECK LIKES IT OR NOT and decides to put herself in the room with me. Fuck. That.

[xRECKONERx]

if you weren't probably scum

except im not

[xRECKONERx]

cuz sorry sweetcheeks, but claiming a confirmable role doesn't give you an automatic influence pass.

idgaf, the joy ill feel from rubbing your face in being wrong about me will give me boners until the end of time

[xRECKONERx]

zzzz

Then either I was right and she's scum and I get to laugh

Or she was wrong and I'm town and I get to laugh

I did not start the push, she's the one who out of the gate came after me so I don't care either way!

[xRECKONERx]

This isn't going anywhere new. Who are we lynching and can we please not put me in a room with Akane

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm. Bad vote from Gamma. Maybe scum vote. I'm not sure what he means by "his little side thing about me and Parama"?

[xRECKONERx]

it's bad because it's on you, yes, we know reck

No, because there aren't actual reasons there:
"Agree with Parama on Reck's attitude with Quilford..." So, he agrees that what I said is basically correct? Because Parama agreed that Quil's ragequit was really town (the only disagreement was what it meant retroactively).

"Don't like his stance on me"... meaning the stance where I want him to contribute and not be lynched because of his predecessor's activity levels? There's actually legitimately nothing to "not like" about that stance. The only one who had a point about "not liking" that stance was Quilford, and that was because he thought me/Gamma were scum

together

.

"Don't like his side thing about me and Parama...tell incorrect for past 5 years...blah blah blah"... no clue what this is even referencing, I just searched both my ISO and Parama's ISO and have no idea what this means.

Gamma's tone is scummy, as well. It's very vague and wishy-washy, unwilling to commit to any hard reasons for things. Look at Gamma's points so far:

- His first real post features a bulky portion in which he says "Akane felt gutscum but I don't actually believe my gut and I'm only posting this so people can read me better."

- "Everyone feels not particularly scummy"..."Quil looks the least town so far"...except, this is the same post where he implies I'm scum and the claim is the only thing saving me.

- "

Gut

things with Grib are

mostly

tone...

I think

"

- "I

might

have to change my mind. But pretend I didn't just say that."

- "in the event of my lynch and <obligatory statement that says i'm flipping town that has no actual bearing on my alignment in this game whatsoever> "... This just reeks of Gamma's typical cheekiness. Lampshade the shit out of it by drawing attention to it instead of actually making a statement.

- "Did read over nm a

little

more and

dont think

I want him to be the lynch."


Everything Gamma is posting is very noncommittal. He's phrasing it in a run-on sentence fashion so it seems very "stream of consciousness" and allows him to hide his lack of commitment and logical incongruities behind style points.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Gammagooey

[xRECKONERx]

For a quick read through, here is how Gamma posts when he's town in my experience:

also

this is dumb

and you should feel bad for saying it given that balto invitational was a game that existed and was generally depressing for people after they became dead

Matter of factly.

well ignoring the obvious lies it's true that i can't read you that well

so what else am i gonna with a minor scum read on you aside from poke at you and be annoying and see if you murder me for it
it's clearly the best plan

Laying defined reads/facts out on the table.

i uh

would kind of rather do this than vote reck right now?

Vote:Nuwen

feel free to convince me otherwise if you're super confident about stuff but

nuwen seems significantly sketchier than normal this game to me

Still similar syntax, but the content is much more direct and assertive.

I won't keep going because I'm bored and also I don't think anyone will read this anyway. But the content in Gamma's post is weak, noncommittal, and inconsistent.

[xRECKONERx]

reck, but you strike me as a kuribo-esque player

[xRECKONERx]

You were literally in the game with me where a replacement didn't know his predecessor had claimed and fucked it up THEREFORE WINNING US THE GAME.

[xRECKONERx]

Reckoning III. Hello. That's literally from this year.

[xRECKONERx]

There is no reason for Parama to be acting this way. Town have fluid reads, scum do not.

[xRECKONERx]

@reck: what specifically are you referencing, though?

I'm talking about the fact that you have spent a couple of posts remarking on how my current contribution levels/content are good things and if ONLY I had done that earlier instead of trolling then you'd think I'm town!

I don't get it. Why does that matter? Reads can evolve, change over time. It's even commonplace for me not to do much earlier in the game then act seriously later in the game.

It reads to me like you can't genuinely read my recent posts as scummy, but you want to keep me in your pocket as a mislynch for when you or your buddy or whoever blocks me again tonight.

[xRECKONERx]

No, you've done nothing to assuage me.

Parama has openly shown that I've done something to change his mind.

[xRECKONERx]

Because I think you're scum anyway?

Parama has been fluttering on the edge for me a lot this game because something has felt 'off' and I'm too flustered/lazy/bad to go and put an ACTUAL case together, but I have felt it in my bones for a while now.

It makes a difference because I said so. No, really. I said you're scum. I have stuck to that and have not seen any evidence to the contrary. I still believe you are scum. Thus, my read has not changed. That is still a fluid read, it is just one that has maintained throughout the game.

Conversely, what Parama exhibited was NOT a fluid read. It was openly acknowledging that my recent posts were town/good/whatever, but the read is too staunch to be moved. (I also have reservations about the actual reasons behind anyone wanting to lynch me).

[xRECKONERx]

Why do people think I'm scum/want to lynch me? It just has become such a commonplace thing that people can go, "I want to lynch Reck" and nobody questions it. I honestly cannot remember why anyone wants to lynch me outside of Gamma, whose reasons were shit anyway.

[xRECKONERx]

Why am I scum?

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: NM

That claim is shit if it's not compulsive.

[xRECKONERx]

Must mean that RBs go through doors or something. Probably not worth worrying about honestly.

Otherwise that means it's just Bulge and meh, I've liked his content.

P.EDIT: Uhhh yes, it's true, as in YES THAT IS MY ABILITY IS TO CONFIRM MYSELF AS TOWN TO YOU. We already had the Esper as just a messenger type role why would there be two, please stop your shit

I had some big plan as to why I claimed in the QT I was confirming to Parama instead but I can't remember it now, assume it was really clever though.

[xRECKONERx]

huh. okay. I dunno, leave it for now anyways bcuz Reck's probably town regardless.

Also this.

Paraphrasing what I said in the QT, if I was scum with NM, I would've just had him confirm my RB'd claim N1 instead of claiming I was blocked.

[xRECKONERx]

Couldn't Reck just be some sort of mailman/courier? I don't think we should treat him as 100% conftown today.

lol are you fucking dense

that was Grib's role

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Unless Parama lied in which case Parama is scum anyway so...?

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OH I've been considering that their might be 3 scum? Because scum clearly lack a NK

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you mean have him confirm your role not your RB right?

I know how to use your and you're

i believe I said "confirm my RB" not "confirm I'm RB"

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Uhh... right. Wow. I'm drunk. But not really. I'm just a moron.

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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMkay.

So uh can we just lynch Gamma or Bulge and keep going please

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WHY.

Scum are at a disadvantage right now and we can restrict information are you serious

why do you want to massclaim

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idgaf if you're stuck why is massclaiming beneficial to THE TOWN

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bulge is like
literally #2 townread right now can we not

But Bulgeslot was in the room with me N1 when I was RB'd :3

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okay then you claim i guess

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reck continues to infuriate me even after he's p. much confirmed town

I expected this

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has parama claimed

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wow yeah so you were a dv d1

mmmm.

k so uh bins can you claim now pls

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bins nobody fucking cares if you're stuck or confused CLAIM GODDAMMIT

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BINS THAT'S NOT A FUCKING CLAIM.

next post is fullclaim or im stickyvoting you the rest of the day

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fight me

im a vanilla cop

as in you check if something is vanilla or not

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are you perhaps aware that this would pick up on vanilla GOON as well or...

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idc what we do pls tell me im now actually drunkish

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and since i'm the probable lynch anyway give me til late saturday night and i'll go through the game again and splatter my thoughts on the wall before I die at least

this is very scum

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I think you're scum given your game posts yesterday. I'm willing to be wrong, I don't think anyone can say that your posts beam towniness from an objective perspective. Funny enough, I wasn't convinced your predecessor was scum, and you've actually done more damage to the slot imo