NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Aeronaut]

/confirmed so pumped for this game!

[Aeronaut]

Farside, Reinoe, Alina, Mirhawk, T S O, notscience, Aegor, Shaddowez, tn, and Ooo OkaPoka, nice to be playing with you again! ~

[Aeronaut]

Aw yes, Wake's using Toomai's little icons like he said he would. Woot woot

VOTE: Aegor
Stop following me

Mod, I'm still v/la until tomorrow at around noon

[Aeronaut]

I remember seeing that as well, but I highly doubt he'd use the same one for this game.

@Reinoe

Oh my god! You DO exist! But I don't know. I don't think I've ever touched mine yet.

You should. You're on mine


I'm in like three games with Reinoe right now, and he's pissing me off in all of them. He's about to spend the whole game creating walls of useless fluff.

[Aeronaut]

walls of useless fluff.

Leave that to notscience.

AND OH MY GOD I'M IN YOUR FAVORITE PEOPLE. You're in mine too. In my head that is. <3 I'll update mine soon then since now I have 2 completed games.

walls of useless fluff.

Leave that to notscience.

AND OH MY GOD I'M IN YOUR FAVORITE PEOPLE. You're in mine too. In my head that is. <3 I'll update mine soon then since now I have 2 completed games.

Aegor and Oka are there too, so this is a great game for me.

Down to business though, Reinoe, I actually am interested in that setup you found. 3:3:1 would be a nice change of pace, and so much potential for crossfire.

[Aeronaut]

I thought you were voting Oka for being quick to want to lynch someone? Why do you think he's anxious?

With absolutely nothing else to go on, seemed like as good of a reason as anybody else has used so far. VOTE: Elyse for tunneling onto a RVS vote.

You didn't answer my question. Why did you vote for OkaPoka? Because he wanted to lynch someone early or because he was anxious?

If it is the former, why do you think he intended to actually lynch reinoe? If it's the latter, why do you think he's anxious?

Why are you zeroing in on a joke made in RVS?

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, is this the post in question?

VOTE: reinoe

no gambits for you

VOTE: Vote: OkaPoka, you couldn't even wait 5 minutes before you felt the urge to lynch somebody. EVIL.

This is very obviously a joke. It's funny because he's voting someone during RVS for voicing someone during RVS. It's a page 2 RVS joke. Either you really don't see it, you're scum trying to jump on a non-reason lynch. I'm thinking the latter.

VOTE: Elyse

P-edit: Yes, yes, and yes to the last three posts

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, do you have reads besides this?

[Aeronaut]

I can't even follow what half of you people are saying. I don't speak scum

[Aeronaut]

Except for TN, I sort of like what TN is saying. It will probably be easier to comprehend when I'm not poking at an 8 inch screen

[Aeronaut]

for a game that feels like it's still in RVS people are really mad about other people... doing things

We're not in RVS.

Why are you trying to keep us there?

[Aeronaut]

Tree, most of your posts are fluff. And no, we're not still all messing around after 11 pages. Even if we were, someone claiming IC is something we'd all take seriously.

Also, I'd just like to mention that Wake's vote counts are amazing and awesome. That is all.

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, do you have reads besides that one?

[Aeronaut]

The problem with lynching Reinoe is that his trolling isn't really alligent indicative. If it really becomes a problem later, then maybe we should consider it, but right now I still have a null read on him.

[Aeronaut]

The problem with lynching Reinoe is that his trolling isn't really alligent indicative. If it really becomes a problem later, then maybe we should consider it, but right now I still have a null read on him.

He's going to disrupt this game.

Either he disrupts day 1, 2 and 3 before he's lynched.

Or he disrupts 2 more pages.

But either way, we don't know his alligent. Do you think it's more beneficial to lynch scum, or someone who's fluffing up the game to help the scum?

[Aeronaut]

And that's a general question, TSO, not nesessarily about Reinoe.

[Aeronaut]

As I literally just said in the post ahead, it was a general question, and not just about you.

I actually thought you were getting more serious. I said you shouldn't be lynched because trolling isn't really alignment indicative. Why so jumpy, Reinoe?

[Aeronaut]

Sorry, my last post was directed at Reinoe, not TSO.

He will literally spam the shit out of this thread and cause apathy for everyone. He's the closest thing to a plague on this forum.

That's my final word on the matter.

But he hasn't yet. I don't believe in lynching someone based on passed games. It's what he does in this game that counts.

[Aeronaut]

Eh... I think Reinoe is probably town. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here. He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null.

[Aeronaut]

Also, my V/LA is up, Mod. Thanks everyone for putting up with it.

I sort of want to do a full reads list, but I simply don't have reads on every single person yet. Especially Aegor and Mirhawk, where've they been?

P-edit: Ehh, true. He's null at least, though. We can't know he's scum just based on being trolley.

[Aeronaut]

Eh, it says he reserves the right to change the rules at any time, though, so we can't know for sure. Besides, why are we fighting about the setup again? I also don't understand the correlation between TSO "lying" about an open setup, and you getting lynched.

Also, My bad, Aegor is V/LA.

[Aeronaut]

why would you want to keep any info from town?

Because once he says it, it's obviously there for the scum to see too, not just the town. Are you rolefishing right now?

[Aeronaut]

Yea, Tree is being fluffy too... and really all over the place. Not sure if scum yet.

[Aeronaut]

Psyche, you literally don't make sense ever.

I'd be down with a tree lynch, but I'm not feeling good about Oka. The aggressiveness rubs me wrong, and it sort of feels like he's trying way to hard to make it look like he's scumhunting.

[Aeronaut]

I'm half reading this game. Lots of little things and some I felt good about and others I wonder about.
I'm a bit loopy tired but I like pysche a bit more and tso.
I think I need to reread a few people like tree, oka, elyse and maybe renioe to make sure I'm not crazy.

Also question to either aero or renioe (since you two I remember from the last normal) does anything feel off about Alina to you?

I think she's a bit more confident this round. Not sure if that's anything. I feel like she's sort of hard to read, because she literally always seems town to me. She's null for me at the moment.

@People voting tree: I'm not really sure that a crappy IC claim is enough to lynch someone. What else has tree done that's really scummy?

P-edit: And Reinoe jumping on the wagon... :/

[Aeronaut]

I think you accidentally your quotes there.

[Aeronaut]

I think reinoe could possibly be town.

Spoiler:

[Aeronaut]

TSO, you literally spent like an hour linking to all the scummy things Reinoe did and now he's town?

I can't even... what....

[Aeronaut]

TSO, what's your biggest scumread then?

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, do you have reads besides this?

At that point, no. Did you?

@RoyalApe
I'm done pursuing this vote further because obviously it's now starting to cause more harm than good.

But your "question" to me "Are you defending Oka" seemed rhetoric because of the "should I be poking you" and "HMMMMM?". That's why I posted those two separately.

It's ok though because we're out of RVS! (Despite reinoe and co trying to keep us in it)

Now when you all realize that voting me for pressuring an RVS vote is stupid, we can get on with the game. If you seriously think scum would do this and try to ride it out to a lynch on RoyalApe, then lol ok.

lulz at the fakeness here.


VOTE: Elyse
[notscience, TSO, Elyse]

Explain.

I agree with tree wrt feeling like we're still in RVS. And saying that he feels that way doesn't mean he's keeping us in there, Aeronaut.

Eh...

I think Reinoe is probably town

. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here.

He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null

.

Town or null?

Psyche, you literally don't make sense ever.

I'd be down with a tree lynch, but I'm not feeling good about Oka.

The aggressiveness rubs me wrong, and it sort of feels like he's trying way to hard to make it look like he's scumhunting.

That's how I feel about you actually.

@People voting tree: I'm not really sure that a crappy IC claim is enough to lynch someone. What else has tree done that's really scummy?

Wait you literally just said in the post I quoted above that you'd be down with a tree lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aeronaut

I changed my mind about wanting to lynch tree once people started jumping on the wagon with reasoning like this:

stop the fighting

And start the lynchings!


VOTE: tree

That sort of worries me. As soon as I say "maybe we should lynch tree", three people jump on it immediately. That freaks me out.

[Aeronaut]

When I say "Does anyone have other reasons Tree is scum", that's me trying to see if people have legitimate reason for voting him or if they're just sheeping me because they know I'm wrong. Welcome to the game of mafia.

[Aeronaut]

Reinoe is null.

What's your read on Tree, Elyse?

[Aeronaut]

Eh... I think Reinoe is probably town. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here. He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null.

I said he is probably town. His latest interactions have brought him back to null.

[Aeronaut]

Nah, the reinoe vote just confirmed my suspicions. I didn't like the way Majiffy was pushing, and a few of the posts earlier.

[Aeronaut]

Tree, what are your current reads at the moment?

[Aeronaut]

"Now vote tree"

And the like. Will you stop avoiding my question? What is your read on Tree?

[Aeronaut]

But why is he town? What has he done to help the town? That's the fucking question.

It's not just that post you dingbat. I've been saying for the past day I'm not really sure about tree yet. For awhile I decided he'd probably be an alright lynch. Then I thought about it more and decided I wanted to talk about it some more before doing it. What about that do you not understand? It's like you're not reading anything and just tunneling on single posts for extended amounts of time. Its ridiculous.

[Aeronaut]

Post above was directed at Elyse.

[Aeronaut]

*wiggle*

VOTE: wake

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

At least the ball is finally rolling!

Kill: Majiffy

I think this sums it up well enough.

this is the most pathetic wagon i have ever seen

I think Tree is town - a VI. There is no conniving in his posts. A lot of players, present company included, play around too much at gamestart.
I don't quite understand why it's

this

show of excess that generates a wagon rather than my own or others, except that Majiffy has decided so and there are enough weaker players around to go with it.

I don't mean them individually. I mean all together.

Hmmm... well he is claiming to think we were messing around... but he claimed halfway through that. But the claim sort of looks like a joke to me, though.

[Aeronaut]

Yea, Tree is being fluffy too... and really all over the place. Not sure if scum yet.

[Aeronaut]

The above post has been and still is my feeling on tree. I'm just not sure. I was hoping he'd talk.

Elyse, do you have reads on the rest of thee people, or are you going to continue only reading the people that are convenient to you?

[Aeronaut]

And? I'm talking about two specific posts not even a page apart with drastically different opinions and no reasons to back them up.

I'm saying my opinion changed on Tree. No, it's not drastic. I said I'd be alright with a lynch, and then I decided that I maybe wasn't quite as sure as I thought. It's not just the posts in the middle, it's what goes on in my head. I thought about it, and I wasn't quite sure of myself anymore.

The two of us arguing is spamming up the thread. I'll ask you again. Why is Tree town to you? You've given us no info. Instead you're sitting here just trying to discredit me. It's not working. What makes Tree so town?

[Aeronaut]

And I'm not scumreading you because it's "convenient". It's because you can't explain your actions and become aggressive when pressured for no reason other than you're being a dick and trying to make me out like the bad guy.

I actually don't really think you're scum, and I'm not making you out to be the bad guy. I explained my actions like three times. My vote on you earlier was to get you to stop focusing on one person for ten pages and give us something more substantial. It didn't work great.

[Aeronaut]

tree's early posts were genuine and I feel like he's trying to start discussion and keep the game moving along. Just because his attempts weren't successful or well thought-out doesn't mean the intent isn't there.

I actually did not see this the first time, and that is my bad.

[Aeronaut]

And I'm genuinely not trying to make you out to be anything. I'm just frustrated today in general.

[Aeronaut]

im definitely significantly above the fiftieth percentile in terms of game engagement and content generation
and if you are above that percentile at all, it's only barely tbh

Mirhawk asks if you have reads, and instead you give us percentiles? What?

[Aeronaut]

So you Like Majiffy, but his Tree reasoning sucked?

[Aeronaut]

So you Like Majiffy, but his Tree reasoning sucked?

More or less.

What do you think of Majiffy?

Well, he spent the first half of the game being pretty fluffy. So far his only real scumread has been tree. I don't love the reasoning, honestly. Pushing for the wagon, etc. He has been posting quite a bit in the second portion of the game, and the stuff besides the Tree wagon, I generally agree with. I'd say Null leaning a tinsey bit townish.

[Aeronaut]

Gah.

Alright fine, this is better then my suspect and I admit it.

Unvote
Vote: Majiffy

I also apologize (grudgingly) for saying you weren't taking this seriously.

@Aero
From now on you're the whiffler. You whiffle on everyone.
Unless that is you tell me what it was about TN's post that made you think he was town.

I'm assuming a whiffler is someone who doesn't answer questions.

Being perfectly honest, I was phone posting in a McDonald's toilet stall. I don't really know what I was liking at the time. Looking at it now, It's sort of just TN calling people pet names. I agree with "Townreads are preferable to scumreads this early in the game", although that point has long passed by now.

[Aeronaut]

nice omgus you got there.

I don't really think it was an intended OMGUS. He gave an actual reasoning whereas you're just saying OMGUS OMGUS GET HIM HE'S EVIL

[Aeronaut]

Oka, do you have any reasoning for voting gameplay besides OMGUS? Or is that really it?

[Aeronaut]

I think gameplay is lying and was using that to allow for a possible fakelclaim. However the time wasn't right so he made up it was bannable. If he already asked if the info was bannable, why didn't he say that beforehand? He wanted to keep it to himself and never stated it wad bannable until I questioned him. He had so much possible scum motivation because of the possibility of a free lynch of a pr and him claiming something.

Didn't see this.

Hmm... I guess it doesn't make sense that he would mention it in the first place

[Aeronaut]

To lynch anyone who claims pr.

He changed his mind because the time was not right.

Why would you lynch everyone who claims a PR?

[Aeronaut]

My point is that gameplay can pull a gambit with his "secret" info. He can say this pr claim is crap cuz we are all vt or something. If it is bannable and wake knows he wouldn't be playing.

If he thinks the game is mountainous and says so, why the hell would he pull a PR gambit?

[Aeronaut]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

What was his second gambit? The IC one seems like a joke to me.

I don't like how Oka has to be asked to give explanations for his reads. Saying "Psych is weird" is not an explanation. It's like you have opinions, but you're afraid to share them until you absolutely have to. Making it look like you have scumreads, without giving weight to them so that nobody can suspect you. Not to mention, you're saying we should kill people who claim PRs.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an SK.

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Aeronaut]

I summarized what I don't like about tree in 461

Yea. I forgot about the kill: Majiffy thing. I don't really see a scum motivation behind it though.

[Aeronaut]

Damnit. Of course you think I am scum. Can you read that I said gameplay might want to kill prs?

Why would I want to lynch a pr when I believe that there are prs in this game.

I thought you had said you wanted to lynch them, but you were talking about Gameplay, I say.

So your saying he's trying to out PRs so he can kill them?

[Aeronaut]

I say = I see

[Aeronaut]

Eh I'll probably get around to a reads list tonight if I get home in time

[Aeronaut]

Why are you voting TN?

[Aeronaut]

OkaPoka's push on gameplay is horrible. I completely agree with Alina and Aeronaut in regards to that.

However

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

What was his second gambit? The IC one seems like a joke to me.

I don't like how Oka has to be asked to give explanations for his reads. Saying "Psych is weird" is not an explanation. It's like you have opinions, but you're afraid to share them until you absolutely have to. Making it look like you have scumreads, without giving weight to them so that nobody can suspect you. Not to mention, you're saying we should kill people who claim PRs.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an SK.

VOTE: OkaPoka

The bolded makes me think Aeronaut is scum who genuinely thinks Oka is scum also, but knows he's not group scum because Aero is.

Serial Killers generally tend to be careful not to get lynched, and careful trying to not get NKed by scum. Oka is giving us his "scumreads" without really giving reasoning. This way, it looks to the town like he's trying, but the scum won't target him because his claims have no weight.

[Aeronaut]

Granted, he's been giving reasoning once asked, but it seems to me like he's trying to slip with things like "Psyche is weird" without anyone noticing.

[Aeronaut]

I just don't know why anyone would BS something like that.

[Aeronaut]

Aw. Sorry to see you replace out psyche. Maybe your replacement will use capital letters.

[Aeronaut]

Oka why did you unvote me?

Because his entire scumread on you was based on you having some sort of secret classified information.

[Aeronaut]

@Aero
Oh and by whiffler I mean how you're a professional fence sitter.

When you're in danger of having to commit to a townread they become null again.

When a scumread is in danger of being lynched you pull back your vote.

I'm not sure how you don't know this, last game you specifically told me you were known for playing like this.

I just didn't know what a whiffler meant. I've been trying to fix that playstyle and be more aggressive in the games I'm playing, but so far I guess I've done a shitty job of it.

Tree reads as confused-ass town to me. I concur though, he needs to come online and speak soon / answer Reinoe's question.

[Aeronaut]

Texcat mentions a lot about tree in the post I quoted but vote for aero for an unknown reason.
I typically see that from newbscum. Where you mention a player you don't like but vote the other and the person you have more issue with is your scum buddy.

I mentioned Tree because I had just finished reading 10 pages about Tree. I stated how I felt about the big wagon of the day, that I didn't understand or like the double claim, but didn't see it as particularly scummy. I then voted Aero, who I do find scummy, based on his interactions with Elyse, as I thought I had clearly stated.

Your voting based on some crap rule about mentioning one player and voting another is just that, crap.

You keep saying your voting me because of "my interactions" which you didn't like, but what exactly didn't you like about them? Just saying "I didn't like the interactions" doesn't give information to help anybody.

[Aeronaut]

You keep saying your voting me because of "my interactions" which you didn't like, but what exactly didn't you like about them? Just saying "I didn't like the interactions" doesn't give information to help anybody.

I think Elyse said it better than I could.

No. You said you would be down for a tree lynch and then changed your mind 10 posts later because you said people like reinoe hopped on for bad reasons. Then I pointed out you said that before reinoe hopped on, so you said it was because you didn't like how Majiffy was pushing him. Then I pointed out Majiffy only said "now vote tree" in between those posts and you now say "yeah, that and the like" and there are no other posts in between that can constitute as "the like".

And? I'm talking about two specific posts not even a page apart with drastically different opinions and no reasons to back them up.

And I'm not scumreading you because it's "convenient". It's because you can't explain your actions and become aggressive when pressured for no reason other than you're being a dick and trying to make me out like the bad guy.

So to be clear, you're just latching onto her argument instead of giving your actual opinion?

[Aeronaut]

In addition, there was your first read of TN as town which you couldn't explain when Majiffy questioned you about it. I think whiffling, as Majiffy calls it, is not good.

In the conversation with Elyse, you continued asking her for her reads even after she had told you. You seemed to be trying to divert her attention off of you.

Lol, that wasn't Majiffy. That was Mirhawk.

Shows how much you've actually been paying attention.

[Aeronaut]

But yeah, I believe in latching onto good arguments.

It seems to me like you're just skimming the game and latching on to the first thing you see. You didn't even say I was scummy yourself. You actually had to quote someone else's reasons because you don't have any of your own.

VOTE: Tex

As far as I'm concerned, Oka is still scum, but at least he's trying to explain his flawed reasoning. You're just sheeping up the wazoo.

[Aeronaut]

I actually don't like that Farside left out Oka, whose currently one of the wagons...

Farside, what is your opinion of Oka?

[Aeronaut]

meh

I have tree as a vi read

I don't remember my last game with psyche

and I could be persuaded for aero

You could be persuaded for anyone at this point.


Majiffy continues to give shitty reasoning or no reasoning at all for his scumreads. It's adorable.

[Aeronaut]

As for my lunch pool, I'm up for {Oka, Tex, NS}. The latter two are just sheeping, and Oka is pushing nonsensicle reasoning too hard. Majiffy is working his way up there too.

[Aeronaut]

As for my lunch pool, I'm up for {Oka, Tex, NS}. The latter two are just sheeping, and Oka

is

was

pushing

nonsensicle

extremely good

reasoning too hard. Majiffy is working his way up there too.

ftfy

my reasoning is perfEct

Lol

[Aeronaut]

As far as I see jiff he has not posted online since Thursday.
Curious to know if tree has played mafia before this site or is an alt.

This was in regard to you second part issue with tree.

InB4 he's a secret Wake alt.

[Aeronaut]

that is the lamest case ever and you know it

As opposed to your case on me which relies entirely on "zomg maj is pushing tree for [wrong reasons given!]"?

Alright. The last five pages have been people calling Majiffy out on his tree wagon and then NotScience saying LOLZ, WHATEVER YOU SAY MY LORD AND SAVIOR JIFFY, then random-ass fluff from NotScience and more of Notscience saying "Lets lynch Aero and Titus" without actually voting for anyone. Welcome to fucking apathy city.

Reads list upcoming.

[Aeronaut]

that is the lamest case ever and you know it

As opposed to your case on me which relies entirely on "zomg maj is pushing tree for [wrong reasons given!]"?

Alright. The last five pages have been people calling Majiffy out on his tree wagon and then NotScience saying LOLZ, WHATEVER YOU SAY MY LORD AND SAVIOR JIFFY, then random-ass fluff from NotScience and more of Notscience saying "Lets lynch Aero and Titus" without actually voting for anyone. Welcome to fucking apathy city.

Reads list upcoming.

Present a case.

Present a case? It's literally a fact. NS keeps saying "lets wagon Aero or Titus" without actually voting for either of us. Again, another person presenting an opinion without any weight.

[Aeronaut]

Maybe you missed the part where he's compromising with me on Tree today.

But that would require reading the thread, something a good percentage of this game apparently has no idea how to do.

What happens if Tree flips town?

[Aeronaut]

Like I said I fought for pages with him.
He truely see's nothing wrong with what he says.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

everyone else is an idiot then

bye I'm gone to church

VOTE: tn

[Aeronaut]

I... I just....

[Aeronaut]

you're making me look like a huge dick for attacking the wagon on you

Retweet

[Aeronaut]

Hey who want's to see a half-done reads list that is no longer sensicle?

[Aeronaut]

WHAT ARE YOU

[Aeronaut]

Tree, what are you even talking about?

[Aeronaut]

So... I sort of started this reads list a few hours ago. It basically gives my two cents on why Tree is probably town and why everyone else voting for him is a doofus.

Spoiler: Except about halfway through this happened:

Like I said I fought for pages with him.
He truely see's nothing wrong with what he says.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

everyone else is an idiot then

bye I'm gone to church

VOTE: tn

I explained.

but you're right, ZORMG GUYS NAKED VOTE MUST BE SCUM EVEN HARDER

Oh no!

What just!?

Soooooo..... I'm just going to give you the version before those god-awful posts. I guess this whole list is still relevant because the people on the wagon still made their votes before Tree came back and continued being a doofus. My reads stay the same.

I really don't know what Tree is anymore, but I'm sort of done defending that shit. I don't see a scum motivation, I don't see a town motivation. If you want to lynch him because he's a VI, be my guest.

--------------Reads List Pre-Tree-Inturruption-Of-2014--------------------

Is Me So Therefore Confirmed Town

(Nobody but me)

Leaning Town

Mirhawk
Aegor
gameplay506
Josh_B
tree (slight newbtown)

Null

Titus
Psyche
farside22
Alina
PeregrineV
T S O
Shaddowez
RoyalApe

Leaning Scum

Majiffy
tn5421
Elyse
Reinoe

Lynch Pool

notscience
OkaPoka
Texcat

=============== Town Lean ==================

I'll start from the top and work my way down. If you have questions on my reads, I'm glad to answer. Obviously nobody is "confirmed town".

Mirhawk

started off pretty lurky, but has given some good points on Oka Poka and Majiffy. He is also listening to logic quite a bit more than the rest of us, when he changed his vote because Psyche had given him some actual good points. This struck me as really townie to me, because he's listening to the town instead of having his own agenda.

I liked

Aegor

's intro post (not the one where he said he forgot the game was existant, the other one where he gave reads). He calls Tex on his BS non-reason vote, and correctly questions the stupid tree wagon. He hasn't interacted a lot besides that, but what he has done has seemed pretty townie to me.

Gameplay

's setup speculation / "Bannable info" was a bit unnecessary. However, I really liked his response to everyone deciding he should be lynched. He is leaning town for now.

Josh_B

hasn't actually talked much, but he's striking me as towny when he does talk.

Psyche

started off extremely not helpful, with distractions and the such. However, he has lately come to his senses and is one of the people questioning the tree votes. I'll talk about my exact thoughts about the tree wagon below.

Tree

, everybody, is not scum. People who are lynching him because he's a VI, then if that's the way you vote, I guess that's how you vote. I don't agree with it at all, and I don't think we should be lynching him. However, it's those that claim that your voting him because he's scum that I'm interested in. Let's take a look.

Spoiler: These are the posts in question, correct?

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

This post was pretty obviously a joke. I don't know how you guys see that. Even if it wasn't, what's the scum motivation for doing something like that? An Innocent Child is supposed to be confirmed at the start of the game by the mod, and that obviously didn't happen. What would scum tree gain from claiming something that we already know isn't true?

VOTE: Tree

Just because you're cool enough to vote the IC doesn't mean you're not scum.

VOTE: Majiffy

Again, this is a joke. Not a very good one at this point, but still just him being idiotic.

Of course I'm not an IC, just look at the last votecount. I claimed IC to see what people did with it and I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care. Most people ignored it which didn't do much. Also I thought alts weren't allowed in Normal games?

At least the ball is finally rolling!

Kill: Majiffy

This is, once again, a "PR claim" that is easily and obviously disproved when Majiffy was still fucking alive. Why would scum tree out himself like that and make a claim that we all would figure out was fake immediately? He wouldn't.

Basically, I honestly think those were tree's attempts at reaction tests. As shitty as they were, they showed us how easily scum would jump onto him to try to get to N1 faster. He's not scum, and the people using this as a reasoning for why he is are spewing out bullshit.
Tree is leaning newbtown for me.

=============== Null ==================

Null. These are in no particular order. Half of these people are lurkers and the other half are people whose alignments I can't really figure out yet.

Titus

is an example of this. He obviously has not been present most of the game, and hasn't said much since he's got here. Null.

Psyche

was providing a hell of a lot of apathy in the beginning of this game, but he's slowly come out of the shadows lately and is using some real logic.

Farside

's push on NS and Majiffy's crappy wagon earned her some town points, but she hasn't much else this game.

Alina

has been extremely quiet. I usually agree with what she's saying this game, but something seems... offish. She's also lurking with is unusual for her, but when she is present I generally agree with what she's saying.

Perv

and

TSO

.... I sort of forgot they were in the game, to be honest.

TSO

hasn't said much since his wagon ended, and Perv just hasn't said much in general. Same with

Shadowwes

and

RoyalApe

.

============ Scum Lean ==================

Reinoe

is ... I don't even know what he is. Drunk is what he is... or was. He started out this game all Village Idiotic, but suddenly he's up and at 'em, suddenly ready to lynch scum. What the hell? Did he come into this game having decided to play up the VI card, but then when he realized that it wouldn't work, switched over to down-to-business Reinoe? It reminds me of his scumgame in NY175, honestly.

--------

I ragequite here because of a mentally challenged Sudowoodo. Sigh... I'll finish tomorrow I guess.

[Aeronaut]

Still barking up that "there's no scum motivation to the gambit!" tree, huh Aero?

There's not. Who gambits D1 with no votes on them?

[Aeronaut]

Scum want to WK him

Hold on.. are you admitting that you think he's town?

[Aeronaut]

Reinoe can you link that game?

[Aeronaut]

I would be willing to consider an Aero lynch.

No, because I will use my Jedi mind tricks to dissuade you. oooooo

Null. These are in no particular order. Half of these people are lurkers and the other half are people whose alignments I can't really figure out yet. Titus is an example of this. He obviously has not been present most of the game, and hasn't said much since he's got here. Null. Psyche was providing a hell of a lot of apathy in the beginning of this game, but he's slowly come out of the shadows lately and is using some real logic. Farside's push on NS and Majiffy's crappy wagon earned her some town points, but she hasn't much else this game. Alina has been extremely quiet. I usually agree with what she's saying this game, but something seems... offish. She's also lurking with is unusual for her, but when she is present I generally agree with what she's saying. Perv and TSO.... I sort of forgot they were in the game, to be honest. TSO hasn't said much since his wagon ended, and Perv just hasn't said much in general. Same with Shadowwes and RoyalApe.

Going to start with the nulls, since they are null.

I'd put Pysche in townish pile, along with Farside. There is stuff in their posts that I don't think scum would bother with.
TSO is never this quiet.
I like Shadowwes' posting as town, and their 371 catchup was so full of content that it made TN's 240 look that much worse.
Royal has no posts except some off-the-wall Elyse argument that has no purpose and no conclusion.

For those, I'd lean both Royal and TSO towards scum.

The last is Alina. I'm curious how you find her "quiet" when shes got 5x the posts of Aegor, and 80-85% of them is her scumhunting. What am I or you missing? (and she's a townread, in case there is any confusion)

The difference between Alina is usually really vocal about everything. She has said she's just really busy lately though, so I guess that makes sense.


Whoever asked about Elyse, I actually think she's null/leaning town. I started writing that list during my fight with her, and I guess I meant to move her up. She legitimately seemed scummy to me then.

Now, compared to some of these other scrubs, she's providing actual reasons for what she does. I don't necessarily

agree

with those reasons, but she's trying. I didn't like her tunneling in the beginning, but her thing with me seemed to bring her into action. Wooo.


I'll finish up that list at some point today. Sorry its weird and broken up.

[Aeronaut]

Oooh is it me?

[Aeronaut]

Oooh is it me?

Nah, scum like you have reasons for shitty reads

You say I'm scum, but you're voting someone you think is town... Hmmm...

[Aeronaut]

Majiffy is one vote. One single vote. Why the hell do you need his help to lynch Titus? Is his one vote really worth losing an entire day?

[Aeronaut]

@Gameplay
Nobody knows the setup yet.

So that's possible, but unconfirmed.

But according to Reinoe it's a known setup. Duhhhh

You know, this is just not gonna get anywhere right now. Honestly, I keep forgetting we have like 22 people, and right now tree isn't helping the town, and probably won't be in the future. I made this mistake last game. It's not like we're in Lylo, and this lynch will give us information.

Vote:Tree

If you had come back from being a lurk ball after two days with like reads, some sort of quality anything, I wouldn't be voting you. But you've made it very obvious your not going to help anyone.

I still stick by my reads list based on the tree wagon, though. The people who said they were voting for him because he was scum need to be looked into.

I'm gonna go take a shower or something

[Aeronaut]

It's just additional information so that you don't forget to string up Psyche when I die tonight after tree flips town.

I cannot respond to this post because it's bamboozlingly bad.

@Gameplay
Nobody knows the setup yet.

So that's possible, but unconfirmed.

But according to Reinoe it's a known setup. Duhhhh

Commander, commander, we have confirmation regarding Aeronaut not reading the thread!

You know, this is just not gonna get anywhere right now. Honestly, I keep forgetting we have like 22 people, and right now tree isn't helping the town, and probably won't be in the future. I made this mistake last game. It's not like we're in Lylo, and this lynch will give us information.

Vote:Tree

If you had come back from being a lurk ball after two days with like reads, some sort of quality anything, I wouldn't be voting you. But you've made it very obvious your not going to help anyone.

I still stick by my reads list based on the tree wagon, though. The people who said they were voting for him because he was scum need to be looked into.

I'm gonna go take a shower or something

Tree is town, and everyone on the tree wagon who thinks he's scum is scum, and you're voting tree for policy, despite not voting reinoe for policy.

You hypocrite.

Do you really see a Reinoe wagon starting today? Reinoe can die tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

In addition, there was your first read of TN as town which you couldn't explain when Majiffy questioned you about it. I think whiffling, as Majiffy calls it, is not good.

In the conversation with Elyse, you continued asking her for her reads even after she had told you. You seemed to be trying to divert her attention off of you.

Okay so another thing I noted that tex lied here.
He stated that aero didn't respond about his town read on tn, but aero did respond in the very next post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6137639

I did NOT

LIE

. WTF are you on about? I did not say that Aero did not respond. I said that Aero could not explain. This is where Aero said that he could not explain.

Being perfectly honest, I was phone posting in a McDonald's toilet stall. I don't really know what I was liking at the time. Looking at it now, It's sort of just TN calling people pet names. I agree with "Townreads are preferable to scumreads this early in the game", although that point has long passed by now.

Lol you just said I couldn't explain and then quoted my explanation.

[Aeronaut]

If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

Farside, I get that you want me to be scum to prove that your crap rule about mentioning one person, even if it is the lynch leader, and then voting another is not a crap rule. But I don't get why you seem to be tunneling me. I'm too lazy to go back and see how many other times in this thread that someone has talked about one person and then voted another, but I feel certain that it has happened. Why are you so focused on me to the point of making up stuff about me lying?

Aero, do you think that "I don't really know what I was liking at the time" is an explanation?

You asked me what I liked about TN's post right? I simply didnt really remember what i had liked, but i shared what I thought about it now. Thats an explanation.

[Aeronaut]

Can you explain why you asked this:

So yeah

he's town

moving on

I get that Gameplay's theory on a mountainous game makes it look like he is vanilla town. And I've never played with him before, but isn't it worth considering that he's scum who made this whole thing up to look like vanilla town?

Did you have a scum read on gameplay I missed?

I certainly don't have a town read on Gameplay. And so I disagreed with NotScience's dismissal of him as town. Is this just another example of your hyperfocus on me?

I've talked about more then you, if you read the game at all.
How about your other scum reads, since all I saw was a follow elyse and not town read on gameplay.

Vote: tn

Uh... Farside? What's with the random vote change?

[Aeronaut]

Tn is scummy

That's some cracker-jack reasoning you got there.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: aero

btw

What happened to tree?

[Aeronaut]

9. AERONAUT- Opportunism, people he wants dead consisted of tree and 2 sheep and oka, weird interaction re:tree, etc

You really, really should not lynch me. I'll address your reasons in reverse order, because that's how I role.

Spoiler: NotScience just Scumslipped!

weird interaction

I want you to link to me the "weird" interaction. How was it weird, What was weird about it, etc.

people he wants dead consisted of tree and 2 sheep and oka

So your calling yourself a sheep... good. And your also saying that I am scum because I want Oka and Tree dead? Really?

That's funny, because you also want them both dead.

It even says on your readslist. Care to explain that?

Opportunism

Tell me... How is my vote oppertunistic, yet Mirhawk did the same thing, and you did not care then?


Basically, all of those reasons are invalid. If nobody can see that, then they're crazy.

[Aeronaut]

He didn't actually, I may have just titled that so that everyone would read it. But seriously, look how fucking contradictory that is. It's as good as a scumslip.

[Aeronaut]

You've spent the fucking game doing nothing but than what Majiffy has told you. You're hiding behind him so that you don't have to provide actual information, and if it's wrong, we'll just blame majiffy. That reads list was only the reads you wanted to give. I wouldn't be surprised if the people who's reads are "WTF who're you" are your scumbuddies.

[Aeronaut]

You really don't want to lynch me, Notscience.

[Aeronaut]

Nobody's going to vote for you NS, becauze apparently nobody can see past the steady stream of bullshit.

Tree dies today, and when he flips town, NS dies tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

I'm done with you. Everyone else, feel free to look at at my posts and read between the lines. And look at his and see the bullshit.

[Aeronaut]

NO I DON'T FUCKING GIVE UP. I'm sick of the scum being in charge of this game.

You refuse to answer my question. What was the "Weird Interaction" between me and tree. You just ignored that one. What was weird about it? Give me links.\


And then I'll answer you.

[Aeronaut]

He didn't actually, I may have just titled that so that everyone would read it. But seriously, look how fucking contradictory that is. It's as good as a scumslip.

So you didn't necessarily

lie

, you just misrepresented the truth to fit your own agenda?

He called himself scum. That constitutes as a scumslip.

[Aeronaut]

Are you actually claiming scum right now?

[Aeronaut]

I am scum

Good enough reason for me.

VOTE: NotScience

I don't know why you'd outwardly claim. Were you sick of the pressure?

[Aeronaut]

I have bolded it like 3/4 times in the past 2 pages

I meant before you starting trying to egg him on.

He said I was scum for wanting Tree and Oka dead, and then said he wanted Tree and Oka dead. Scum.

[Aeronaut]

If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

This basically sums up why we should lynch Aeronaut.

He's (or was) voting tree, someone who he is expecting to flip town (and yelling at NS for doing the same thing), and even if that person flips scum, he will accept his lynch the next day.

So if Aeronaut is town, this plan GUARANTEES the death of at least one townie from his PoV. What the fuck is that? What townie would vote for someone and accept his own lynch if that person flips scum?

It makes no sense.

Aegor, twice in NY175. It's called a 1-1 I believe.

[Aeronaut]

One moment.

[Aeronaut]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6034475

It's like that post and then like two or three after it. He does it, and then explains it. Aegor ended up being Cop.

[Aeronaut]

No.

He should still die today, though, because he isn't going to help the town. I hated the wagon because of everyone's reasoning on his initial posts, and I figured he could come back and keep being useful. Instead though, he came back and continued being stupid and distracting, so I decided screw it. He could di, we'd see his flip, and then lynch Majiffy and NS for pushing so hard on the reasoning that he was scum, which is bullshit.

[Aeronaut]

So basically

Do the exact same thing as the person he's trying to call scum is doing.

Why is this still alive?

Why can't you write in paragraphs?

[Aeronaut]

Read. Between. The. Lines.

[Aeronaut]

Read. Between. The. Lines.

If you are softclaiming or something you can stop. There will be a time to claim when you get run up to L-1. Which will be soon.

Otherwise stop being cryptic and respond to what I'm saying if you want to try to fight your impending lynch.

Did you ask me a question?

[Aeronaut]

Alright, I disappeared, everybody. Sorry, I needed to get away from the game for a few hours.

If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

This basically sums up why we should lynch Aeronaut.

He's (or was) voting tree, someone who he is expecting to flip town (and yelling at NS for doing the same thing), and even if that person flips scum, he will accept his lynch the next day.

So if Aeronaut is town, this plan GUARANTEES the death of at least one townie from his PoV. What the fuck is that? What townie would vote for someone and accept his own lynch if that person flips scum?

It makes no sense.

First of all, me saying that was really just me acknowledging that I was pretty fucked if he were scum. I wasn't making any sort of deal. You asked me who would do such a thing, and I answered. I didn't really expect anything out of it when I posted it, it was more me talking to myself than anything. Lame, I know.

I just explained how you basically scumclaimed. What you did makes no sense for any townie to do. Do you have anything to say to that?

It doesn't make sense for scum to do either.

I asked you a question. Swamp land question.

It has been answered.

Royal, do me a favor.

Who does Aero want lynched?

Why does aero want them to be lynched?

>.> I'm pretty clear about these in my posts. The answer is you and tree. Tree, because he's anti-town. You, because you're scum, and making a joke of this game. I'd be alright with Reinoe at this point too, because he's a fluffy sheep lately too.

Aero what is your read on reinoe?

Reinoe is leaning scum for me. He spent the first part of the game providing nothing but fluff and uselessness, then he was useful for like three posts, then he's been quietly commenting on things without giving a real opinion. He's basically changed his gameplay three times this game, and I don't like it. Leaning scum for me, definitely.

Vote Count 1.6

Aeronaut (7):

T S O, Psyche, notscience, Majiffy, Shaddowez, Elyse, texcat

Tree (4):

tn5421, reinoe, OkaPoka, mirhawk

OkaPoka (3):

Gameplay506, Alina, Titus

tn5421 (2):

PeregrineV, Farside22

notscience (1):

Aeronaut

texcat (1):

Aegor

Elyse (1):

Josh_B

Titus (1):

Tree

Not Voting (1):

RoyalApe

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!
~ Deadline expires 9/3/14, @8am central.

1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.5

Lol Wake.


Anyway.

[Aeronaut]

>.> I'm pretty clear about these in my posts. The answer is you and tree. Tree, because he's anti-town. You, because you're scum, and making a joke of this game. I'd be alright with Reinoe at this point too, because
he's a fluffy sheep lately too.

"Making a joke of this game" How? I'm still waiting for the detailed list of bullshit you say I'm spewing.

Alright, for one, why not state your reasons for voting me in one single post, instead continuing to try to push and pressure for three more pages? What were you trying to accomplish by continuing to fight with me, and by trying to get me to vote for you? I've been mulling that over, and I really don't get the point of that at all.

[Aeronaut]

I think the Aero wagon is scum motivated. The scummiest on it so far are Shadow, T S O and NS.

VOTE: Shadow

Going after this or Oka for now.

To be fair, Shadow's vote on me was during RVS. Not sure if he should get lynched for that.

[Aeronaut]

He's made several claims against me, and when asked to back them up has provided nothing.

Really? I think that was the other Aeronaut.

So the reason you're voting me is because I'm voting you?


In actuality, my reasoning for voting Notscience was because he was sheeping anything he could. However, he's obviously stopped doing that, so ehh, I guess he's not really in my lynch pool anymore.

UNVOTE:
P-edit: Oh, hey there

[Aeronaut]

Look at his REACTION to the push on me. First I'm scum, then look at his softclaim TO ME. His scumread. Does town softclaim like that to a scumread? No.

I don't know if you've noticed, but there are twenty other people in this game that aren't you. I wasn't saying anything directly to you so only you could see, because everyone can see it.

[Aeronaut]

You really don't want to lynch me, Notscience.

Once again, everyone can see it. Don't know what your trying to get at.

[Aeronaut]

town. Note-

he still thinks tree is town, just doesn't want him alive.

What alignment do you think Tree is?

[Aeronaut]

Town.

I've said it all game.

So you've thought tree was town all game, but you were voting for him anyway. That's what your saying?

[Aeronaut]

Yep.

Unlike you, I had another reasoning behind the vote.

but of course, you're going to try and twist this to make me look back so yep!

Your reasoning is that you needed Majiffy's

single vote

to help you vote Titus tomorrow. How does that make any sense? Why do you

have

to vote with Majiffy?

[Aeronaut]

Nope.

My reasoning is I need his vote and voice and the people on the wagon to help lynch titus tomorrow.

pedit-

Why does town have to try to look like anything?

Because if you get lynched as town because you weren't being serious or you looked scummy, then you've failed the town and hurt your wincon. Basic Mafia.

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, what's your read on TSO?

[Aeronaut]

can you gimme your reads and an explanation for each of them so substantive than you think they might even convince someone to agree with you, at least as far as you can

I think you're town for the defense of me- not that I haven't considered you could be whiteknighting. Mostly a gut read, as in I know it's true but can't really explain why.

I've been coming around to Majiffy being town. Pretty sure this sort of "explain my scumreads badly or not at all yet expect people to sheep me and yell at them when they don't" playstyle represents his typical town play.

I think notscience is town mostly off of gut and the way he approached the Aero scumread and wagon - I see it as something too risky for scum to be doing, and how he reacted to gameplay also looks like reasonable town.

I've also liked how farside seems to be thinking through things completely. I can see a clear thought process in her posts which means she's definitely trying to figure things out.

As for scumreads, I still think tn's stances regarding me and Majiffy are not just unreasonable, but they look fabricated too. It's like he's forgetting whether he's trying to push me as a town policy lynch, or a straightup scum lynch. And again, notscience's Aero case is good but I'm comfortable with my tn vote.

I have to go now, sorry if I'm missing anything in the post previews.

Wow. Tree came back and started playing the game again. That's.... surprising.

Someone vig Gameplay please.

And TSO returns in a blaze of glory.

Gameplay, you don't seem to get some very basic tenets of Mafia and I don't give enough fucks in this game to teach you.

We've played one game together; I replaced in and -immediately- called both scum out alone. I died the same night. You mishammered in LyLo.

So I'm not going to give you any leeway on anything unless you actually start making sense. You're making 0 sense this game and it's really annoying.

Which things is he saying that dont make sense?

I think aero might be scum I am not going to argue with the wagon or join the wagon at the moment as I don't really have a strong opinion of it.

What do you have a strong opinion on?

So you voted Aero for having bad votes but you didnt vote NS who was voting a townread of his ?

Aero voted for someone that he not only thought was town, but would be willing to be lynched himself if that person flipped scum.

Like I don't understand why you keep bringing up NS as if he's worse than Aero and your defense of Aero sucks.

I don't get why everyone needs new, original reasons

to hop on a wagon

. I certainly don't expect people to find more scummy stuff about Aero when I'm trying my hardest to do so to get him lynched. Should I stop scumhunting so other people can find stuff and have justified spots on the wagon? It's bullshit that the wagon is falling apart when I've brought up so much stuff about him just because other people are sheeping me.

It's because your entire reasoning for voting me is a literal joke I made. I never said "Hey, lets make a deal everyone", I said "I'll laugh and accept my lynch if he's scum" because at that point, I had defended that guy to death. You're starting to get incredibly nitpicky, and you're resorting to random things like that to lynch me. It's getting ridiculous.

And hypocrisy isn't scummy.

I just want everyone to read that sentence a few times. In what world is hypocrisy not scummy? If you were to vote me for voting for tree,

while voting for tree,

then you'd be pretty fucking hypocritical, and you'd be scum.

@Aero

It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now

. I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

Um... are you rolefishing? I mean, I'm obviously very close to being lynched, but it would seem very easy for scum to ask for my role, then back off the vote as you said, kill another townie, and then kill me in the night.


Right now for me, Elyse is starting to make me uneasy. I'm pretty sure she had other points, but she keeps harping on the other one. It's weird. Mirhawk is acting really different than NY175, and the was sort of rolefishing. Don't like that. TSO is along for the wagon ride, weeeee! Tree came back and is being helpful again. Why, tree why? Why now? Why not yesterday? Whatever. If he's helping the town again, I'm not voting him.

Oka, on the other hand, is boggling me.

VOTE: OkaPoka

Once again, he comes in, says "Hey guys, I'll probably vote someone soon but I don't have an opinion on anything so yay!!!!" and we're all just supposed to ignore him. I played as an Serial Killer last game, and this is completely how I acted. He's giving opinions without giving opinions, but nobody really cares apparently. Great. I'm still scumhunting, are you? Or all you guys still saying "Lol Aero is scum because he's scum"

[Aeronaut]

Actually doing this:

VOTE: Mirhawk

Tso can be a little longer. His reaction didnt give me the feel of scum. Still keeping an eye there.

Pedit: um reinoe not this vote

Eh, yea. He's playing a lot different than NY175. Seems way more nonchalant.

Mirhawk, what's your opinion of OkaPoka?

[Aeronaut]

Ehh, Texcat is in my lynchpool. If anyone is wondering, it's still {OkaPoka, Reinoe, Texcat}

Aegor, explain to me why he's scummier than Oka.

[Aeronaut]

Um, Elyse are you Rolefishing right now?

The fact that you "didn't make a deal" is irrelevant, Aeronaut.

You voted for tree, someone who:

-you called town
-you said you hated the wagon on him
-you criticized NS for joining the wagon on him despite townreading him (

I can see that point

but NS at least had a reason [compromising with Majiffy])

First point. You understand that half the people on that wagon called Tree town, correct? Including Notscience, Tn, Mirhawk, etc. Irrelevant.
Second point. Yea, I did. Then he came in and decided to come back and be terrible, and suddenly the wagon didn't look so bad anymore.
Third point. So this is one of the things that I'm scum for, but you agree with it? What?

Also, this is the last thing I'm going to say on the "I need Majiffy's vote" matter. That's a shit reason and we all know it. C'mon now, Majiffy is one vote. There's 21 people in this game, and we don't all need Majiffy's approval to lynch somebody. If Notscience actually feels the need to have somebody vote with him so that it doesn't look he's manipulating the town, I think we all need to take another look at Notscience. C'mon people, I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.

and

then you said you would lynch yourself if he flipped scum.

I want you to find the post where I say I'll lynch myself. Yea, if I were to vote for myself, that would be anti-town AF. I didn't say that, and never will vote for myself. Because that's silly.

You even admit that it's a joke

. C'mon now, Elyse. Stop trying so hard. Find the post, and then stop misrepresenting me.

And you still had an awful change in opinion on tree that you lied about three times and then tried to pass off as "a gradual read change that happened when you thought about the wagon" which I call bullshit on. Like you should be lynched already and people making excuses for you and trying to derail the wagon makes me even more confident in this read.

How many times has NotScience changed his opinion on tree? I have to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure he just called him scum again. Again, you're just not making sense.

This is especially to gameplay like what the fuck is that Mirhawk vote? You're the only one voting him. Do you seriously expect that lynch to go through?

I seriously think it can go through, There is plenty of time we don't need to rush lynches.

For what? Saying that Aero needs to cut the softclaim bullshit and we should run him up to L-1 for a claim?

Better string me up too!

Elyse, you're trying awful hard to get a roleclaim out of me.

You understand that you are hardcore role fishing right now

, correct? Like, Hardcore. I'm really not liking it. I was honestly reading Town on you but the more you do this, you're getting more null.

[Aeronaut]

It's not rolefishing when you've plastered that you have a role all over the game

It's antitown wifom now to keep it hidden.

Oh, yes, of course it is. I could be Bulletproof for all they know. They base their kill off of having more information. You people trying to get it out of me before I'm at L-1 is horrible. Just because you can't put a wagon together doesn't mean I need to die in the night.

[Aeronaut]

I'll read that entire wall later when I have the energy

but

I WANT TO GET YOU TO L-1 TO CLAIM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SOFTCLAIMING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER AND IT'S SCARING SOME IDIOTS FROM VOTING YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

I don't know what you expect me to do about it, or why you're in all caps. What am I supposed to do, be scummier? Sorry :/

You really enjoy tunneling. I feel like you should pay attention to whats going on around you some more. By all means, keep your vote on me, but pay attention to the reactions of the people on your wagons for late game.

[Aeronaut]

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

[Aeronaut]

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

Can we lynch tree now?

Tree's trying though. He's helping town more than Oka, because Oka won't give an opinion.

P-edit:

[Aeronaut]

Who else is in the hood

Are you seriously asking that? C'mon now.

[Aeronaut]

Wouldn't scum want to target a group of people who can talk privately with eachother, day and night?

[Aeronaut]

They can out themselves if they want.

[Aeronaut]

Ok this shit with Aero is just going over the top. Scum really don't want to let go of it, do they?

So Aeros softclaims all over the place and makes it reallly obvious he's a PR but then it's my fault when he comes out and says it? And I wish he would have just full claimed because this whole "I'm a PR but won't say which" bullshit is getting old.

Yay

ns is so smart

swoon

ns have my babies

yay

If it's more than 2 people you obviously have scum in the hood.

Even with 2 you probably do.

So.

Yeah this.

If I was in a neighborhood and town I would be focusing on the other people in my hood because it's more than likely there is scum there.

Also, Aero, why would you full claim in the neighborhood? I don't get that at all.

Because they were going to lynch me otherwise.

I guess in retrospect, there is actually probably scum in there. I figured if I claimed only in there and died N1, we'd know that there would probably be scum in one of those people. If I didn't die, we could pretty safely assume they were town.

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, no I didn't. Everyone is just assuming I did :/

[Aeronaut]

Scum got two PRs D1. Great job guys.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: aero

Yay

[Aeronaut]

It's alright. They just want me to get to L-1 to squeeze the role out of me.

[Aeronaut]

Alright, fuck this sitting here and twiddling our thumbs.

I am a Town-Aligned Gunsmith. I investigate a person every night, and then I get either "Gun" or "No Gun". That is my role., it's sort of lame.

[Aeronaut]

Bolding it so skimmers can see.

I am a Town-Aligned Gunsmith. I investigate a person every night, and then I get either "Gun" or "No Gun". That is my role., it's sort of lame.

[Aeronaut]

Lol wut Titus

[Aeronaut]

Yea. It's only things with a gun.

[Aeronaut]

Hold on, did Titus hammer me?

[Aeronaut]

He go hammered already

I doubt it. But if I did Aero is flipping scum.

Aero should know how pwerful his fakeclaim was. Any player not familiar with a role checks the wiki.

It's more a matter of opinion, really. I checked the wiki, and it doesn't necessarily town confirm or scum confirm anyone.

[Aeronaut]

You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

>.>

Elyse is town, as much as I hate to say it. Her reads on me were a bit wishy washy, but I don't think they were fabricated. She also is not the sole person responsible for outing me. It happened, we should get over it.

[Aeronaut]

Ugh, Titus is gonna vig me, isn't he?

[Aeronaut]

Whoops, my bad, I know you're a girl Titus.

[Aeronaut]

Alright, I actually don't agree with Aegor here. Elyse and NS helped, but ultimately it was my decision to claim. I don't understand why Josh would claim. That's not anyone's fault but his own.

[Aeronaut]

It was last night/yesterday evening. Not sure which post number we were at.

[Aeronaut]

josh I don't think he had claimed already by the post you're quoting. that was the very beginning of the game almost.

Ok then I have some questions. When are neigborhoods typically open, and do neighborhoods typically have daytalk?

They are always open, Day and Night.

[Aeronaut]

They begin at game opening?

Also this, http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor
Thus, Neighbor is a fairly low-tier

power role

that amplifies the skill of its players

Yes, game opening.

A neighbor can be both a neighbor and a PR.

[Aeronaut]

wow.

@NS

I called you derpy because you decided to vote for someone you didn't even think was scum. In my opinion, that's pretty derpy.

@Aeronaut

Did you breadcrumb at all? I assume not, since you likely would have mentioned it in your claim, but still.

Not sure who I feel like putting my vote on now. Want to take a look at some people again so I can get a better idea.

>.>

Oh hey, notscience, you were in that Alice In Wonderland game. What are are your thoughts on Gameplay and Aeronaught (and the mysterious third member) treating their neighborhood like a masonry?

I know it's not a masonry. It's an advantage, though.

[Aeronaut]

Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?

[Aeronaut]

Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?

If I were a gunsmith I'd pop a boner so hard I'd be dizzy after reading my role pm and each time after.

Eh. After being an SK in 175 with bulletproof or innocence, though, that shit was cool.

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut that's not an answer that's a blank space

Aeronaut that's not an answer that's a blank space

Did you ask me a question? Sorry I actually must missed it

[Aeronaut]

Aero I have one question. Why did you softclaim in the first place?

Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.

[Aeronaut]

@Aero You quoted it lol.

Did you breadcrumb anywhere or?

There is five people in the neighborhood. I don't think that information hurts us in any way, so there's no reason for me not to share it.

[Aeronaut]

9. AERONAUT- Opportunism, people he wants dead consisted of tree and 2 sheep and oka, weird interaction re:tree, etc

You really, really should not lynch me.

You really don't want to lynch me, Notscience.

I'm done with you. Everyone else,

feel free to look at at my posts and read between the lines.

And look at his and see the bullshit.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6034475

Read. Between. The. Lines.

I think that's probably all of them.

[Aeronaut]

Above is answer to Alina.

Reinoe what is that a quote from?

[Aeronaut]

Oh, okay. Welp. I was just wondering if one of your posts spelled out gunsmith or something. xD

I actually considered it, but I was lazy AF. Next time.

[Aeronaut]

I feel as if I'm responsible for this game having 70 pages on D1. Sorry :/

[Aeronaut]

It's basically the same as taking five random people from the game and saying "there is probably at least one scum in this pile."

[Aeronaut]

Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.

You were arguing with notscience though. He has all the credibility as a squished toad. Why did you feel threatened?

I don't understand your thought process. You thought that maybe scum was too stupid to notice the claim and town wasn't?
There also no benefit to claiming before it's absolutely necessary, why didn't you wait?

I dunno, people tend to be believing Notscience this round. I feel as if he has a pretty good voice in the town.

During NY175 Aegor did a similar thing, where he said "I'm 100% sure this person is scum", and people believed him and voted with him. The scum only noticed him once I (pretty stupidly) didn't get the message and completely called him out. I decided I'd go for subtlety. Didn't work.

I was at L-2, and all it took was one more person to claim. Someone was eventually going to do it, so I figured why sit here and bitch for another day. It was just creating apathy. No need to delay the inevitible, not to mention everyone had caught on at that point.

[Aeronaut]

We could just run up gameplay and make him claim or eat rope

Why would we try to get more people to claim then already have?

[Aeronaut]

We could just run up gameplay and make him claim or eat rope

Why would we try to get more people to claim then already have?

Come on rolecop. We know what you are.

Titus was your claim legitimate?

[Aeronaut]

Titus, do you actually have town reads or are you just suspecting everyone at this point?

[Aeronaut]

Tree

My acceptable lynch list

Aero (duh)
TN
NS
Elyse

You're cleared bc of being Aero's counterwagon. Scum wouldn't feel a need to counterwagon scum you with scum Aero.
Gameplay is pretty obvtown
Mirhawk is townish
Reinoe is prob town for the same reaction I had (minus vote)

TSO and PV need to clarify their alignment status as I need a base to operate from in this game with people who get me and are respected well.

Oh whoops, found it.

[Aeronaut]

We could just run up gameplay and make him claim or eat rope

Why would we try to get more people to claim then already have?

Come on rolecop. We know what you are.

Titus was your claim legitimate?

Why? Are you paranoid that I've got you? I'm just a bad ass bitch.

No :/ feel free to investigate.

[Aeronaut]

Sigh... No it wouldn't. There can be both.

[Aeronaut]

@notscience
Frankly I think you're hoping that one of them is one of your scumreads and you're looking for something to add to your case.

@Psyche
I think that there may or may not be scum in the neighborhood.

How many scum do think are in the neighborhood?
If there's two there's a slightly higher chance of finding scum then from the general populace.
If there's one it's a lower chance.
If it's none then it's obviously much lower.

We obviously don't know which, so I fail to see how this can help.

Besides if town are doing their jobs they're looking for scum in their neighborhood anyways.

Uh... Yea I know that there is probably scum in the neighborhood, but the key word is probably. We don't know for sure, so there's no was it's going to help us scum hunt very much.

Titus is being overly aggressive.

{Oka, Titus, Reinoe}

[Aeronaut]

Eh, yea TN is being really different than NY175, but maybe that was just because she was in a hydra. Eh, dunno if she needs to be lynched today, although she's also being overly aggressive.

If that's how Titus usually is, then I guess that's just Titus.

I'm keeping my vote on Oka for now. He's provided literally nothing useful in a very long time. These are his latest three posts.

How isn't tree dead yet?

We test if Aeronaut is bsing it tmr.

Today we lynch tree, or titus, or gameplay.

Why isnt tree dead yet?

Tree wagon is dead IMO. Oka is just pushing it because it's the biggest wagon that isn't me. He needs to die today.

[Aeronaut]

Aero, I'm a male.

Why do people think I'm a girl?

Oh wow, that's embarrassing I'm sorry.

It's because of your avatar. Seriously, really sorry about that

[Aeronaut]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

Elyse, if I remember correctly, you said you thought this was a joke a few posts ago. Now you think it's serious again?

@Okapoka, why exactly do YOU think tree is scum? It's easy to say "Why isn't tree dead yet"

[Aeronaut]

Texcat looks like newbtown to me, honestly. It was a bit of an eh vote, yea, but it doesn't strike me as super opportunistic since it was the beginning of the wagon.

P-edit: Wake is the mod

Oh wait, that's the joke

I'll just show myself out

[Aeronaut]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

Elyse, if I remember correctly, you said you thought this was a joke a few posts ago. Now you think it's serious again?

@Okapoka, why exactly do YOU think tree is scum? It's easy to say "Why isn't tree dead yet"

I know it's a joke.

tn is arguing that you were scumreading tree when you said this and I'm saying that you weren't.

Can you clear that up yourself? Tn is saying I'm lying when I'm actually not and he is.

Yea, I thought Tree was town at that point. I was voting him as a policy lynch. Elyse is being truthful, TN.

[Aeronaut]

It's not so much a plan as much an inevitability. Either he'll have a no-gun report on a scum we end up lynching, or he ends up fucking himself by clearing townies and POE.

Especially since ~someone else~ have been crumbing cop, that person can look at my role tonight.

[Aeronaut]

Nah. There's likely a doctor

who

[Aeronaut]

Out of curiousity, when did you figure out I was crumbing cop? I know you did.

I'm fairly sure you said something along the lines of "We'll find out you're scum tonight when I investigate you".

I don't actually think your a cop. Why would you crumb it if you weren't in danger of being lynched? You should have kept quiet about it, investigated me tonight, and then had me cleared for tomorrow. What's your reasoning for that, really?

WHY ISNT TREE DEAD YET?????!!!!!????!!!!!

You understand that these five words have been the only thing you've contributed in a long time, right?

[Aeronaut]

I didn't say I was going to investigate you. I don't investigate known scum. Tis a waste. Please link the post for my records.

My reasoning would reveal if I am a cop or not.

I thought you said something along those lines, I just skimmed through and didn't see that, so I guess I was mistaken. My bad.

I don't know why I'm "known scum" to you. Nobody is known anything at this point.

[Aeronaut]

Elyse, your case on me is terrible. You should be voting someone who is scummy (tree), and I have done pushed against players I thought were scum. I have done a lot, and by that thought process you should kill ns.

Why would we skill NS?

[Aeronaut]

....
Alright, going to go into some non-gameplay mode for just a moment.

It's really fun being talked about like I'm some sort of prisoner who you're debating how to kill. Let's kill him today! Let's kill him tomorrow! Really, it's great. Keep that shit up.

First of all, everyone needs to be less aggressive and awful to eachother. There's literally no need to be calling people "Princess", saying each other are uneducated, and flat out saying "Fuck you". Seriously guys, I understand this game gets incredibly heated. But it's getting ridiculous, and it's turning me off the game. I won't replace out, but you all need to chill out and treat each other with common human courtesy.

-----
Back to gameplay mode.

I've noticed that there is a group of people forming who are basically just saying "Why isn't this person dead yet". Now I had already mentioned Oka, for literally only saying the same five words for fifteen pages. However, I've noticed that Aegor is doing basically the same thing with Texcat. Hardcore tunneling, I mean. Then we have Titus who admittedly is giving a lot of information, but hasn't given a read on anyone else in a very long time, and whose argument basically boils down to "Let's lynch Obscum Aero."

So I have questions for the three of you.

@Okapoka, what are your scumreads besides Tree?
@Aegor, what are your scumreads besides Texcat?
@Titus, what are your scumreads besides Obvscum Aeronaut?

You guys can answer whenever, especially Titus. I legitimately hope your back feels better.

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut. My lynchable scum is you. I am not answering your question bc people might insist on me compromising which I have no intent of doing.

Shitttt

Derp

Ooooooo hydra slip.

I should probably go post in that game.

So you're telling me you have no other scumreads except me? I mean, I'm not going to compromise but I still have three other public scumreads other than Oka.

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut. My lynchable scum is you. I am not answering your question bc people might insist on me compromising which I have no intent of doing.

Shitttt

Derp

Ooooooo hydra slip.

I should probably go post in that game.

So you're telling me you have no other scumreads except me? I mean, I'm not going to compromise but I still have three other public scumreads other than Oka.

When you get a chance, go over Reinoe and TSO and tell me what you think.

Will do, I'm actually camping with the fam at the moment, but we have wifi and everything so I should be able to hit that up tonight.

[Aeronaut]

Nothing Aero. I make 3 - 4 bad tpos per game.

And yeah Aero's claim doesn't have a shred of evidence.

What other evidence could there be?

[Aeronaut]

Nothing Aero. I make 3 - 4 bad tpos per game.

And yeah Aero's claim doesn't have a shred of evidence.

What other evidence could there be?

You have play radically inconsistent with your role. Fishing for counterclaims. Playing survivalist ALL FUCKING GAME LONG.

I do not need a gunsmith pm to know you are scum. Anyone should know you are scum.

When have I ever fished for anything? It's not my freakin fault Josh decided to randomly claim RB.

What I see here is you refusing to actually scum hunt. You tunnel on me so that you don't have to scumread anybody else.

I'll ask you again. Do you have any scumreads besides me? Because if you say no, I'm going to assume you're scum trying to avoid giving real opinions.

[Aeronaut]

Oka should be lynched today, Texcat should not.

[Aeronaut]

Oka seems new scum to me, and Texcat seems new town to me. I have reasons from another game why he's not scum, but I can't discuss it yet.

[Aeronaut]

whatever

im a doctor. good job guys

Is that five now?


I guess I'll unvote you if nobody CCs that by morning.

[Aeronaut]

Alright. Was about to yell at everyone for the shotty Tex wagon, but apparently thats done with. Why we voting Aegor now?

Also, @Alina, I checked mah wiki and the <3 has been recieved

[Aeronaut]

Honestly, thats just how Aegor sort of acts though.

@Josh I dont recall asking who we were lynching. Feel free to keep tapking about who you

would

lynch if there wasnt a better wagon, though.

[Aeronaut]

I left the game for twenty four hours, and Aegor was lynched? What?

>.>

Actually Reinoe would never lynch a pr.

VOTE: Reinoe

Um.... what?

Titus, Mirhawk, reinoe, notscience

these people should ashamed of lynching a claimed pr.

I will lynch Mirhawk, reinoe, notscience, due to they aren't prs. But my FOS still stands.

You voted for him too. Your theory on who is the scummiest is based on that wagon, yet you were one of the people on it too. How is that any sort of argument?

Also royal is in our nb. He never posted anything in the qt since the beginning of the game. Also we are 4 members

I'm aware of being a neighbor, but I haven't seen anything about a separate area for posting?

lol

So, I found my neighborhood link. I obviously didn't read that pm close enough. That should help give me a different perspective. I thought some people had neighborhoods and some didn't.

LOL

I think it's pretty weird that the gunsmith didn't get killed, Soo... Aero, What information do you have for us?

I investigated Titus.

She has no gun.

That being said, Serial Killers do not have guns. I guess they have knives or something? I don't know. Either way, Titus isn't part of scumteam, unless there's some weird gunless mafia role I forgot about.

I still don't really trust her, is the problem. She's being overly aggressive/defensive, throughout the game, something I feel like an SK would be more inclined to do since they don't really have buddies to back them up.

I feel like we should look into the TSO death a little more. I don't understand that kill. Elyse was pretty town, but TSO was just being sheepy. I want more closure on that.

And yea, our neighborhood has four people, not five. My b.

[Aeronaut]

And how do we know Titus is telling the truth?

[Aeronaut]

Or your lynching a Gunsmith who can clear people for you late game.

[Aeronaut]

Alright. This wasn't my finest hour.

Sorry team, I'll be rooting for you in the dead QT.

Imma go cry softly now