Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Malakittens]

HERRRO.

Not much to catch up on because I been following it.

I have to say currently the one thing that pings so far is MS' entrance to the game, however, I have to see if this gambit is likely to come from scum-ms or town-ms. Something about it feels off, but i don't know why.

Also i reaaaaally didn't like Zeb's role fishing in 30 , but because of the join date I might be meowing up the wrong tree, but I'll likely take a glance at his games after I post this. Although him explaining I'm getting a gut vibe because I can see him genuinely trying to scumhunt based off the wording. (I know stupid logic, eh??)

Ohaaaaaaai Huntress. Let's dance sooner than later, kay? (:

~Vote later on when I see fit.

[Malakittens]

Oh yay! Hi meow! Are you town?

Hi! Yes!

James May left
UNVOTE:
VOTE: nyanyanya because your name is hard to type.

Random Voting Stage is best stage!

Uh, why are you sad he left? He's now replaced with an active player that you can read and sort.

Why are you doing RSV.2?? I don't know in mind we are out of it , but I still don't know where I want to vote as of yet.

Ohaaaaaaai Huntress. Let's dance sooner than later, kay? (:

Hi Mala! The sooner the better.

Also i reaaaaally didn't like Zeb's role fishing in 30 , but because of the join date I might be meowing up the wrong tree, but I'll likely take a glance at his games after I post this. Although him explaining I'm getting a gut vibe because I can see him genuinely trying to scumhunt based off the wording. (I know stupid logic, eh??)

His one completed game shows it might be a playstyle thing. I'm in two minds about him but hopefully I'll have a clearer idea when he's responded to my questions. So far, the only conclusion I've come to is that he and MS are unlikely to be both scum.


In the meantime,

Vote: EspressoDan

Yeah I glanced at it last night before the power went off and my phone died. I didn't see anything 'terrible' in the ISO. So I'm just going to let him be and see what progesses.

Why is ms less likely to be scum?

Why did you vote EspressoDan? Was that an RVS vote? My apologies, but you do not appear to be in the RVS mood.

Gut doesn't like this idk why.

You shouldn't assume I have town-reads on you both, because I don't. You two are the only one's who have posted since we found our first scum.

Don't defend him with meta either. That's awful.

Now, sheep me.

Interesting. Remind me again why you have such a hate on meta?
So far I haven't liked your posting at all. For little things: call out people for soft defening, but in my eyes that exactly what you are doing.

[Malakittens]

Also ms can you knock this crap off please? Thanks!

[Malakittens]

Why did you vote EspressoDan? Was that an RVS vote? My apologies, but you do not appear to be in the RVS mood.

Nope; it wasn't RVS. He was avoiding talking about the game. As are Rambler and AssMuffin who must have picked up their role PMs otherwise they would have been replaced along with James May.

Hm. Hm.

Crap. I forgot whether or not town or scum you go after lurkers. I really don't remember you doing it in our hydras lately.

;;

[Malakittens]

Tbh I when I first read the ms comment I really thought he was tryin to gain a read on huntress and not soft defending NpAU

[Malakittens]

Okay. I'm not even gonna bother trying to argue that. I mean it's so wrong , but that's okay.

You soft defended Zeb in my mind.

How can I be unbelievably bad at reading you when a) I haven't really given you a read on you so far. I'm just engaging you. B) how you tunneled me and I reacted by tunneling you the majority of the game in your first game .

[Malakittens]

Yes, but it's not always going to stay like that. It's not random for me anymore, but that's my view. I feel like there's enough non fluff content to get out of RVS stage.

@BBT: when you questioned ms' vote on Zeb

[Malakittens]

Mmk

[Malakittens]

@Mala 89 Its arguable that nyanyanya isn't an active player also. He hasn't posted anything of substance either.

Well, I kinda saw this name pop up earlier today so I noticed he hasn't posted yet here. When I talking about the replaced/active player I meant me replacing James May. So you shouldn't be sad that he was replaced as now you have someone you can read etc.

I'm giving a little more time and then I'll probably start placing a vote. (Tbf I was hoping for more players to pop in so i'm waiting before I go into work now. ._.)

[Malakittens]

Why is this game so quiet?!?

VOTE: nyayyaaa

[Malakittens]

Ms knock it off please. I know you find it funny but it's really not

[Malakittens]

I'm not yet sure I'm okay with calling either of shin or Huntress town as of yet~

[Malakittens]

As much as I'm not seeing town Huntress I'm not seeing scum her either. So not ready for a vote there.

There's others that deserve better votes. One is the nyayayaa slot as he's avoiding this game.

I'm not really feeling GM-town either.

[Malakittens]

Also those who were in the game from the start. Were there Day 1 start PMs sent out?

[Malakittens]

Hi!

[Malakittens]

I just wanted to know if Nyayaya is avoiding the game because there wasn't a daystart PM or if it's possible it's due to an alignment thing.

@BC: Can you prod Nyayayaya?

How.. the fuck... did i do that..

It was mafia black, i swear

<:

[Malakittens]

Or we could do what people call a 'policy lynch'

NTY.

[Malakittens]

I think it's weird that MS is reading me as town so early.

Especially considering how hard I wound up burning him in the last game I was in.

Yeah ms has been pinging for a while.

~

@Josh:

Will you stop trying to PL? Or even try to push a lynch before half the game has posted content or even before I get to sort out Huntress/gm.

I want to get a solid read on the two players I have played with the most. Then go down the list.

[Malakittens]

Malakittens: A good amount of content, but not all of it actually useful. Also a good amount of prod dodges. 18 is okay, but if by my count only 6 are really game-based, it's not a good thing.

I'm not entirely sure why you are saying my posts are 'prod dodges'. I actually have not once gone in prod range because I have been posting daily. So which of my posts are considered 'prod dodging' to you?

All of my posts have been game based one way or another besides maybe one which was me saying "hi to Josh".

So yeah I take offense to this whole read on me in general.

[Malakittens]

Hi Josh!
In post 137, Josh_B wrote:
On the other hand, I'm really not feeling Town Huntress.

Why would that be?

Lot's of probing questions, not a lot of personal POV.

Fyi;

that's actually a characteristic of town-Huntress, but I shouldn't be quick to townread her yet because she knows what to dodge when playing with me and something she posted makes me lack confidence that we have yet to have a town-huntress.

[Malakittens]

So yay I'm scummy enough not to get NK'd! considering everyone is soft scum reading me one way or another.

Can someone explain how I'm actively lurking when my posts are pretty much equal in time stamps since I'm working everyday <.<

[Malakittens]

Huntress

can you explain your Zeb vote for me?!

I'm really trying to gather reads on the players I most actively know how to read, then the players who I have played with more and then go down the line with that.
So right now I'm trying to sort Huntress -> gm -> ms ~~ bbt -> uct -> Josh.
the rest of you are pretty new to me expect for peabody, Shin & Heph. I probably have played one game with you so I'm not really 'sure' how you would play besides the game we had recently completed.

I do have to say I'm gathering reads as content goes on even though I'm not engaging much with the current content.

As time goes on my reads will get a lot clearer though, but right now I'm keeping most of them close to my chest.

[Malakittens]

Zebulon is very new; since this is an open game I'm not down for lynching that dude


I saw newb town

[Malakittens]

Also Mala, can you stop fucking dodging my question to you in 183. This is the 3rd time I'm having to ask you.

Mixture of gut and meta really. GM and I have experience in playing together. I used to have a tell that I figured out on her while we were scum partners a long time ago, but since then that tell I think has been outted or at least less noticeable to spot in her scum play. I normally read town-GM by gut depending on how she reacts in certain situations, but I'm not really getting a town read nor a scum read. It's just that simple.

You and I also have experience together so I know that this answer won't sit well with you. Which is a reason why I dodged it because whichever way I answer with you is a double-edged sword.

(Also I will say that my post today was

kinda

a prod dodge as I was at a reunion earlier and I close on Sunday for work).

[Malakittens]

Here you go;

Yeah ms has been pinging for a while.

And what have you done to develop this read? Other than telling MS to stop doing the things you're finding scummy.

Now, try again.

I really don't know know to read sonic. Majority of games sonic and I; I have been scum besides one where I I gored him throughout the game.

Also I wasn't telling him omg stop being scummy I was telling him to knock off things that were irritating. There's a diff

[Malakittens]

Also I don't know why I thought you asked me about GM

[Malakittens]

sigh.

Because of me only playing scum games with him I don't know how to interact with him. I don't. I couldn't read him in xmen and I was town. I just don't know how to go about it with sonic. Yes it's dumb, but after playing a certain alignment so long and finally starting to play with him as a diff role I just don't what to do.

What I have noticed is he tends to have a similar playsytle as myself.

[Malakittens]

He was annoying me with all the mason and VT bullshit. I think I made myself clear on that one.

[Malakittens]

Annoying you makes him scum?

For him it might. When I was scum partners with him he walked the thin line of my patience. I ended up blowing up his hydra partner in thread with my engaging which then got me frustrated. So yes him being annoying could potentially be a scum tell for him. I don't know for sure.

[Malakittens]

Nope, but good try!

Well you were pretty much going to vote me anyways because you know none of my answers to your questions would be satisfactory to you because you disagree with what tools I hunt with so~

[Malakittens]

I didn't dodge the question though. I ANSWERED IT. I don't know how to hunt him because of my default mindset in playing with him as me being scum against him all the time. I already answered it. You thought it was dodge because you don't understand it or you disagree with it.

Meta comes into this from experience. When I played with him as a SK he didn't annoy me and he was town and that was right before Xmen. Xmen I can't remember if he annoyed me. I need to go look back, but I remember him pissing me off in Xeno. We were both scum.

So yes meta.

[Malakittens]

He was annoying me with all the mason and VT bullshit. I think I made myself clear on that one.

[Malakittens]

Also I'm watching his interactions with GM very closely, even if I don't interact with him I can probably get a read off how he interacts with others. He's not playing to the same style as he was in Knight. I'm trying to spot the meta similarities differences from past games.

Also if I wanted to jump on a wagon without being oppurnitistic I could, but I'm not seeing anyone super scummy as of yet~

[Malakittens]

Bbt why the hell are you doing the same attack you did in the newbie game. This isn't your first game with me. I rely on gut and meta for Day 1. This is the same bullshit attack you gave me on the newbie game and you were scum there. So either you are right now playing stupid scum game or you are playing a stupid town game. I can't tell which because it's not like it's just me and you in this game that played that, but also that Shin is here too.

I need to mull that over.

@Script:

I haven't played with NPAU so no read there yet. Peabody I remember him from a recent completed game. His play feels a bit different , but I want to give that time. It was mainly because he was just tunneling on one person that game whereas here he isn't doing exactly that.

[Malakittens]

You do that. Use your great scum-hunting tool that is meta to determine my alignment. I look forward to this.

I was waiting for you to pull out the 'But I'm really bad at D1 card'. Good job.

Why the hell are you being so douchey-baggy. It's like its your mission to go ahead and discredit anything I said. I am likely not going to use meta to sort you, but I'm just saying that you are going into the same mindset that you did in the newbie, flat out. It still doesn't make sense from either alignment for you to do this. I'm trying to follow what you are thinking in your head and it's just not working.

P.S. I never said that. I'm just saying that I rely on gut for Day 1. I don't see how I said I'm really bad at Day 1 by saying I'm relying on gut/past meta-experience for reads. You are just trying to twist something to your adv and I don't like it.

[Malakittens]

Is this typical of BBT to fake convictions? To you who know him, my case may be weak if this is something typical of him. If on just a general player, I think faking a conviction is a scum-tell. I'm at the point where I don't know whether to continue pushing this or to focus attention elsewhere. He's been seeming more towny lately. I know an aggressive stance early game is something I've done as scum at least once. So from personal experience, I'm inclined to believe his early play is scum generated. His later play is much better.

BBT takes this stance whether or not he's scum. I'm pretty sure he does it to try and intentionally affect his meta, but it may just be a playstyle choice. Either way, it is unfortunately a rather confusing playstyle. I've not seen him policy/mislynched for it in any game I've played so far, though.

This^

[Malakittens]

Annoying you makes him scum?

For him it might. When I was scum partners with him he walked the thin line of my patience. I ended up blowing up his hydra partner in thread with my engaging which then got me frustrated. So yes him being annoying could potentially be a scum tell for him. I don't know for sure.

When was this?

Xeno. When you were in a hydra with Varsoon.

[Malakittens]

Wow that was a looong time ago.



Recent examples are more of xmen and marvel avengers

Yeah, but I'm saying scum you and that's the only game we ever shared an alignment, give or take. Also I forgot about marvel entirely and you were town there and so was I, but I replaced in and I think you were basically conf-town by then.

[Malakittens]

It's mainly explained in 282. Add to that his reads list, together with the fact that he can't back up some of his comments, means that Zeb may well be scum. I'm also looking at BBT and NPAU but I don't think they are scum together.

Why can't this just be like a newer player who just can't express themselves properly?

I'm just liking him for town gut wise. It's the little things on how he's posting that gives me new-town vibes rather than scum vibes.

[Malakittens]

The one thing solid I can say about GM that I do not like is her over-defensiveness with Sonic. Although our last completed game together she wasn't so defensive, but then I just checked a completed scum game too and she wasn't there either. Other than that it's really the only thing about GM I am not liking as of right now, but my ability to be able to read her properly has gone into a shithole because we haven't played together in so long ;;

[Malakittens]

Scripten, can you please change your avatar? Thanks.

I suppose I could. What needs changed about it?

It looks like a bad demon thing. Ew

What's wrong with that? I happen to rather like my Hell Knight avatar.

To be fair the only problem that I dislike about Sonic asking people about avatars and changing them is that I feel like he's reading too much into the avatar. I think he's trying to say that he might find your avatar scary which is giving him scum vibes. I might be reading too much into this.

Also I think the whole argument of you have a scary avatar so you are scum is stupid, imo.

Avatar mid-game changes are kinda cruel plus it also causes confusion.

[Malakittens]

Why the hell are you being so douchey-baggy. It's like its your mission to go ahead and discredit anything I said. I am likely not going to use meta to sort you, but I'm just saying that you are going into the same mindset that you did in the newbie, flat out. It still doesn't make sense from either alignment for you to do this. I'm trying to follow what you are thinking in your head and it's just not working.

P.S. I never said that. I'm just saying that I rely on gut for Day 1. I don't see how I said I'm really bad at Day 1 by saying I'm relying on gut/past meta-experience for reads. You are just trying to twist something to your adv and I don't like it.

Holy shit, how are you going to determine my alignment if not with meta?

I told you what I was thinking.

I questioned you. I was seriously dissatisfied with your answers. I voted you.

What part don't you follow?

Also, I hate it when one of my other scum-reads joins my wagon.

Patience my grasshopper~

Yes and I told you how I was feeling and you felt the need to discredit all of those things because you don't see it my way. Not to mention when one person says that he doesn't see it your way you felt the need to attack him too.

Yeah I always hate that too. (OMG we have something in common )

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

I really wish Hephaestus would contribute more so I can get a firmer read on him. That goes for uct too since I have a lot of experience and have a greater shot at reading him than Hephaestus.

There's one thing that bugs me about Hephaestus, but makes me wonder if he was prodded or beetle juiced into the thread.

[Malakittens]

Anything is better then being silent. In fact silence makes you look guiltier

[Malakittens]

Yes and I told you how I was feeling and you felt the need to discredit all of those things because you don't see it my way. Not to mention when one person says that he doesn't see it your way you felt the need to attack him too.

Yeah I always hate that too. (OMG we have something in common )

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

It has nothing to do with you not seeing it my way. Your answers were simply not good enough.

@Bold - You're doing it again! Saying MS is scummy, giving yourself an opportunity to jump on his wagon without actually doing anything/contributing any original thoughts.

What do people mean when they keep saying 'beetle juiced'?

I don't think my answers would have never been good enough for you.

Lolnope.

oh, I get it now too.
If I say your name three time in the thread, you appear.
Why is it beetlejuice, and not candyman, or bloodymary?

It should be called "Comes when called".

Npau, why is it that you think it's bad that Mala doesn't have a serious vote down but you've completely ignored the fact that I haven't either?

Because I'm a hell of a lot easier to lynch than you are at this point in time.

[Malakittens]

Because I'm a hell of a lot easier to lynch than you are at this point in time.

A recurring theme which I find hilarious.

I wish I find it hilarious, but I dont. Although what I do find funny is that the chances of mislynching me on Day 1 is really low, very low and this usually just goes closer to lylo. So I'm always the topic of a lynch discussion, but it just doesn't happen.

@Uct:

Can you explain that town read on me please because it does not make sense.

Btw I saw BBT's last post to me, but im currently running into work and can not comment on it

[Malakittens]

Because I'm a hell of a lot easier to lynch than you are at this point in time.

A recurring theme which I find hilarious.

I wish I find it hilarious, but I dont. Although what I do find funny is that the chances of mislynching me on Day 1 is really low, very low and this usually just goes closer to lylo. So I'm always the topic of a lynch discussion, but it just doesn't happen.

@Uct:

Can you explain that town read on me please because it does not make sense.

Btw I saw BBT's last post to me, but im currently running into work and can not comment on it

[Malakittens]

In post 432, Malakittens wrote:
Also I forgot about marvel entirely and you were town there and so was I, but I replaced in and I think you were basically conf-town by then.

You couldn't use his town play from that game to help you determine his alignment in this game?

expect for the part where you ignored where I AM trying to use his play from another game that completed less than a month before that and before xmen. I already stated that his play was different from Knight, in which he was town there.

fucking hell read my posts before you start accusing me of not trying to sort him

[Malakittens]

you made a funny

What's funny (strange) is that the only thing you seem to post is funnies and comments on funnies. If you're going to replace in, at least you could play the actual game you replace into. You could be indifferent about a VT role, or you could be scum feigning indifference to a VT role. Keep it up and we might need to lynch you, if only to rule out the 2nd possibility.

*ping*

I really hate this post.

It feels like you are fishing a reaction on this one.

Like why can't he be a mason with less interest in the game. Why assume he's a VT?

[Malakittens]

Yeah ms has been pinging for a while.

This is the first time you scum-read MS, despite showing no previous inclination of this read even though he had apparently been 'pinging for a while', and you have yet to provide a valid explanation for this post to date.

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

Here is the second time. So, you still think MS is scummy and you've still done

absolutely nothing

about it.

As I said, you're just lining yourself up to be able to jump on his wagon, should it take off. You have provided no original thoughts/content on MS despite scum-reading him from 160 (even earlier with relation to your comment). You just make generic comments and sheep other people's thoughts.

No, like I already said if I wanted to jump on his wagon I already could have, but I'm not because I'm not sold on the fact he's scum. Yes, he's playing similar to his scum meta, but also his playstyle reminds me of my own. Which I know being a chronic softclaimer is perceived as scummy.

Also, I'm not sheeping other people's thoughts.

if I wanted to I could throw back the comment that you made at me when I replaced into the game was your pre-emptive "OMG MALA CANT READ ME WELL CARD", BUT I haven't. The reason why it was so pre-emptive is because we had one completed game together and I read you on the spot correct, so where's this I can't read you well card, coming from eh? So that pre-emptive dismissal you were giving me there in the start was totally incorrect.

[Malakittens]

Also I'm watching his interactions with GM very closely, even if I don't interact with him I can probably get a read off how he interacts with others. He's not playing to the same style as he was in Knight. I'm trying to spot the meta similarities differences from past games.

Also if I wanted to jump on a wagon without being oppurnitistic I could, but I'm not seeing anyone super scummy as of yet~

I didn't dodge the question though. I ANSWERED IT. I don't know how to hunt him because of my default mindset in playing with him as me being scum against him all the time. I already answered it. You thought it was dodge because you don't understand it or you disagree with it.

Meta comes into this from experience. When I played with him as a SK he didn't annoy me and he was town and that was right before Xmen. Xmen I can't remember if he annoyed me. I need to go look back, but I remember him pissing me off in Xeno. We were both scum.

So yes meta.

The reason why you missed it because they were the answers that you deemed 'unsatisfactory'.

[Malakittens]

Ps, Knight I was an SK with Penguin_Alien as a hydra.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=44578

In case anyone is wondering also for clarification~

[Malakittens]

Mala: (493) Wait a sec. There's no need for us to fish out masons. Why shouldn't we call out active lurking when it happens? I don't agree with that assessment.

expect for I'm not fishing out masons. I'm asking a simple question. Why does he only assume that he could only be a VT or a scum, why can't he be a mason also acting indifferently. I think it's a pretty damn question worthy of an answer though.

[Malakittens]

In post 495, Malakittens wrote:
No, like I already said if I wanted to jump on his wagon I already could have, but I'm not because I'm not sold on the fact he's scum. Yes, he's playing similar to his scum meta, but also his playstyle reminds me of my own. Which I know being a chronic softclaimer is perceived as scummy

.

Yet another wishy-washy read.

In post 495, Malakittens wrote:
Also, I'm not sheeping other people's thoughts.

Fantastic, why do you think MS is scum?

Can I have a reads-list now please.

PEdit - @Mala - Oh right, so when you were using the excuse of 'I don't know how to hunt MS, you were in fact, hunting MS?

No, not really. I just don't have a definitive answer to your question whether or not I believe Ms to be town or scum one way or another.

May I ask why you care to not take past experiences and apply them to current situations? I feel like we are going down the same rabbit hole we went down months ago, but you aren't stopping from doing it. You are probably going to go into the same tunnel like you just have an agenda to accuse my play of being crap because obv they conflict with each others.

I can't do a readslist right now. I am working and currently on my break from Shift 1 and have to go back to Shift 2. I might be home right now talking to you, but I needed to make sure I didn't burn the house down while cooking lunch, also i want to cut my apple. I'll be back in about 4 hours and try to get something solid before Chicago Fire. (yep my shows take priority over mafia)

Yeah, I was looking at past games, but not engaging him. Again if you read my posts you will see I don't know how to engage him because my default way as scum is to just ignore him half the time.

[Malakittens]

Can you explain that town read on me please because it does not make sense.

Same as I said before, I think it's genuine scumhunting when you spend time trying to figure out someone's alignment using meta with them in the past. In general, I take effort put into the game to be more townie than scummy (not that it's set in stone, as goodmorning wishes to appeal to everyone), and I'm working off of that.

Does it worry you that I give you a town read? Am I possibly buddying you?

to answer you, yes, it kinda does

[Malakittens]

Mala's line in 456 bugs me. The line about Hephaestus in particular feels... filler.

Anything is better then being silent. In fact silence makes you look guiltier

Hmm. This fits somewhere. Although I don't quite agree with this statement in general, this might be her guiding principle for the previous filler line. Unless you feel it wasn't posted for the sake of filler, Mala?

Neither was filler. I was giving my thoughts on him and his current replace-in.

Also yes I do feel like silence makes a person look guiltier. So I rather you post random thoughts you deem as shit rather than nothing at all because even if you post things that

you

deem as shit others might not think so and it gives me a way into someone's head.

Make sense now?

No, not really. I just don't have a definitive answer to your question whether or not I believe Ms to be town or scum one way or another.

May I ask why you care to not take past experiences and apply them to current situations? I feel like we are going down the same rabbit hole we went down months ago, but you aren't stopping from doing it. You are probably going to go into the same tunnel like you just have an agenda to accuse my play of being crap because obv they conflict with each others.

I can't do a readslist right now. I am working and currently on my break from Shift 1 and have to go back to Shift 2. I might be home right now talking to you, but I needed to make sure I didn't burn the house down while cooking lunch, also i want to cut my apple. I'll be back in about 4 hours and try to get something solid before Chicago Fire. (yep my shows take priority over mafia)

Yeah, I was looking at past games, but not engaging him. Again if you read my posts you will see I don't know how to engage him because my default way as scum is to just ignore him half the time.

I look forward to your reads-list.

I don't use past experiences because they're useless. You have stated on more than one occasion so far that I am playing like I played in our first game together. In that first game, I was scum. In this game, I am town. Can you see how past experiences can be not only manipulated if one chooses to do so but also fairly subjective to the person reading them.

Also, you're wrong. Although I'm not happy with your answers at all, I am starting to feel you're more likely to be town than scum. Not to mention, I am getting annoyed with lurkers/semi-active players contributing nada and making end-game as scum. There are also scummier players than you right now.

You can breathe again.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NPAU

i really hate that you are forcing my hand to post a reads list rather than letting me post it naturally. In fact I think me posting one will hurt me more than it will do good at this stage because it's going to show where I am at in terms of hunting people I'm not ready in revealing because of what I was exactly looking for.

You are, but I don't know you are town. So I can't take your word for it. Although you backing down feels a bit townish, idk? I mean I forced your hand the other game to back down by yelling at you in LyLo.

why am i more town than scum? I'm not satisfied with that comment.

I mean part of me thinks you might be town for backing off, but other part thinks you are scum realizing that my lynch might not happen as opportunistic as you would have liked it too and moved to someone who can

[Malakittens]

Hi Mala,

Reads-list please.

..............

Go read my last post

[Malakittens]

In post 433, Malakittens wrote:
Why can't this just be like a newer player who just can't express themselves properly?

Compare Zeb's posts in this game with his ISO in Newbie 1531. He seemed a lot more confident there despite being unfamiliar with the site

why the lack of confidence be from playing outside of the newbie queue for the first time? Why does it automatically default him to being scum?

[Malakittens]

But I don't feel like you're contributing much, so I want you to do something useful. I would find a reads-list useful.

I didn't back off you in LyLo because you yelled at me. It really made me wanna tunnel you some more but I had fake-claimed doctor so I obviously had nothing to do but vote the real doctor.

You're recent posts feel more town. Like, they're giving me town-vibes. That's how you explain your reads, right?

I could tunnel you to death as either alignment. I quite enjoy tunnelling people, their reactions can be very telling.

I am contributing. You just disagree with my contributions because they aren't up to your level of standards. I really don't want to post a reads list because I have one read that needs more time and once I post this reads list anything I had up in the air with the read will be out to people and what I'm trying to do is lost.

No, you stopped tunneling on me before you fake-claimed doc. It was one of those events leading up to it.

You are an ass sometimes you know that right? I can explain posts fully more than that when triggered because my gut usually is triggered by a post, sometimes it's not, but usually how a post comes off.

Might not be in your best interest as you already know I'm reactionary to tunnels and it often makes me want to tunnel back and I am known to have an attitude back and I'm trying to keep that in check because it hasn't been great as of late.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: BBT

[Malakittens]

I already said at this time no because I'm not ready to do so.

Stop being inpatient and let it come naturally.

[Malakittens]

OK.

Explain your vote?

You are reminding me of the newbie game where you kept asking for people's thoughts etc.

It has been bugging me yesterday, but today more so, So enjoy you get a vote

[Malakittens]

oh, I might be okay with a goodmorning lynch. She's posting elsewhere is somewhat of a scum tell for her~

[Malakittens]

You are reminding me of the newbie game where you kept asking for people's thoughts etc.

It has been bugging me yesterday, but today more so, So enjoy you get a vote

YESSSSSS!!!!! I really, really hoped you would use meta to read me and get it wrong. Meta sucks.

Is there something scummy about asking people to contribute? What am I missing here?

Because it's considered filler and hypocritical because you aren't giving a readslist yourself, but asking others for it.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: GM

In fact BBT you may take a backseat atm~

[Malakittens]

We went over this in the newbie game.

[Malakittens]

oh, I might be okay with a goodmorning lynch. She's posting elsewhere is somewhat of a scum tell for her~

[Malakittens]

Yep and you'll hate that answer too.

I used to be spot on while reading GM in past games. This happened because we were scum buddies and I faced her when she was a SK. There's a tone difference between her scum and her town game. Although lately she's been using similarities in the tones when I did a quick remembrance of a scum game and a recent completed town game, however, the lack of being overly defensive was missing in her town game.

Also she tends to stall a lot while being scum, which she's doing here. She's saying technical difficulties, but is able to post elsewhere.

[Malakittens]

GM

if you are town, indeed town, then do something other than defend yourself from Ms

[Malakittens]

I just ISO'd myself.

I didn't like some of Huntress' early posting but that's about it, I'm fairly confident she is town at this moment.

Nice. Except that I have been calling huntress town since the start of the game but at least you are improving

This might not be true. She might not be town, but I'm not sold on her being scum either, but sonic don't be super sure she's town, okay?

She's done both her scum tells, but has a tint of her towngame.

Usually when I waffle back and forth before a definitive read she's half the time scum. Usually can spot her towngame more quickly than this.

[Malakittens]

Anyways, I like josh's point. Josh can sit in the town pile for now.

[Malakittens]

uctriton00: Why do you read Heph as town?

Meta.

Unflattering meta, but meta. When he's vanilla townie, he is like, incredibly unhelpful. But when he's scum, he actually tries much harder.

He wasn't super unhelpful in T4T

[Malakittens]

jesus ms stop.

also im getting cold feet on a gm lynch surprisingly.

going to UNVOTE: gm

going to get my ducks in a row and then sort something out in my head and then present it to the jury.

See you after work

[Malakittens]

It was more due to the fast wagon and how it got to L-1. I didn't like it personally. So either GM is scum and her partners are bussing her awfully fast or she's town.

Plus the main reason is I want something to happen that hasn't happened yet which will influence a read on players or not. I want to hear people's thoughts and want that to happen rather than a hammer at the moment.

[Malakittens]

Yeah I realized that after the fact. Why in addition to the speed I'm getting cold feet.

[Malakittens]

Which makes it SUPER hard for me to put a town label on her. And I like Mala's meta read on GM because she provided reasoning that I am thinking might have truth to it (GM avoiding the thread as scum?).


However, the fast wagon helps in knocking her toward a towner side of null than a scummier.

Malakittens wrote:
GM

if you are town, indeed town, then do something other than defend yourself from Ms

I would think that someone who is unsure of her reads as you have stated you are, Mala, would want to cling onto a read you find more solid, ie GM. She seems to be fitting her scum meta according to you, so my question is this: Why are you coaching her here?

Well, when GM made her comment that if you think posting VC's counts as posting and she was right. I wasn't directly looking at the content of her posts, but the number of posts she made. I was aware that she was modding a large, but wasn't aware of her modding a micro.

That was mostly a reach out to GM. I wanted her to respond to me as town and if she was town to help herself rather than damage.

She was, but I was incorrect. Along with the pace of the wagon, some of my mild scum reads jumping on it and the incorrect direction of me thinking the posts in the micro were actual posts and not mod posts. I withdrew my vote.

[Malakittens]

Let's all lynch Hephestus. I feel pretty good about that right now.

Now, now let's not policy lynch, okay?

Let's all lynch Hephestus. I feel pretty good about that right now.

I want to agree with this. Heph is, at the very least, a liability to town later on. His lack of effort/contributions would be dangerous when we get down to the brass tacks.

That said, policy lynches based on playstyle suck because they're so likely to hit town. Lynching scum D1 would be nice for once.

This is what boils down to a comprised policy lynch. I agree that not having him in lylo is a priority, but I don't agree to the Day 1 policy lynch.

Anyways this post feels town~

Case on NPAU

Jumpy vote hopping (All of his votes so far have apparently been serious, as per (105)): (33) (105) (224) (320) (439)

Finds MS unlikely to be scum, (224) but, despite MS's playstyle not changing, he considers him scum by (521). Yet, he barely pushes at MS, which is a marked change from his other accusations. I also did not notice him voting MS. Considering how much his votes have jumped around, this is inconsistent, especially when he jumps onto GM in (634). After all, if he was changing his playstyle because it made him look scummy, he should have stopped vote-hopping by that time. (If he was town, stopping scummy behavior would have made sense. Even if it cast suspicion on him, it would ultimately make the game clearer for the town. Scum thrive in confusion.)

There's some scummy wording and opportunistic attacks in those posts, too.

I also find it interesting just how fast the NPAU wagon broke up and how fast the GM wagon grew at the same time. I'll go back and see where votes changed from one wagon to the other and check if my thoughts match up.

Jumpy vote hopping is not a scum tell. I have seen both vote-jumpy town and scum; so it's a null tell, imo.

[Malakittens]

So I really hate being on the fence about Huntress. Like I hate it literally.

Some of her posts have given me scum-gut feels (the whole Zeb thing, which I have already commented on), but then there is other posts by her that make her feel town. Such as the questioning which I have also pointed out because that does fit into her town meta. What I really don't like currently is how she hasn't made a comment on the BBT v I argument, which I expected town-Huntress to have taken a side. I have faced a few games where she has barely taken a stance on me besides knowing me for a while and probably having the vast meta to pretty much read-me-like-a-book. Although, I have also seen town her not make a read on me besides gut. My issue frankly is that she hasn't made one comment on my posting which makes me question whether or not she can't read me this game or she's trying to stay silent on it and sweep it under the rug. Either way it's been bothering me for a while so I was hoping that her current read through would give me a glimpse of her stance on BBT v I discussion.

I have a feeling that scum are trying to ignore the elephants in the room (BBT v I) because right now him and I are practically firing up at each other which is/can be a smokescreen for scum if it's used right.

I want to say Shin's 583 felt town because he took a stance on it. It gave me townvibes.

I'm fighting all urge to wagon BBT because I don't want to tunnel. I'm trying to get out of that very habit because it distracts me from things that need attention, but I'm just getting flashbacks from the newbie game, but I do need to set aside time and do a meta rundown on him because I have not been in contact with him being town besides the one game I replaced in while being scum and didn't read a whole lot of the game or if I did I skimmed through it.

Peabody's posts feel a hell of a lot different than our last completed game. I remember making a comment about how there was a lack of a vote by Peabody in that game, but the difference between that game and this game is that he has moved his vote around more than he did there.

Uct's posting HAS been bothering me. His read on both Heph and I through meta seems a bit like a defense. Although Uct can you give me a rundown on why you think Heph is acting towards his town meta rather than his scum meta while being useless?

I have gotten townvibes from Josh in the beginning of the game, but that has slowly faded and I'm more leaning towards scum. I don't like how he's trying to throw the word policy lynch down. I feel like he's more using his vote as a comprised vote rather than trying to hunt for actual scum. (Idk if that makes sense) Seems like he's trying to keep out of the spotlight and go for an easier target rather than using his vote and pushing someone harder.

I'm going to stop here for now and throw a vote on Josh because my computer is about to die and I'm too lazy to plug it in before it does so.

VOTE: Josh

[Malakittens]

I didn't say you were town now had you actually read further than just was getting town vibes.

Town mala is quick to unvote. Just never in a game together, granted we were in a full one and a half of one before you replaced out in both. So unless you did major meta research you haven't seen a scum Mala so how do you know how'd I act I was scum without knowing first hand my meta. I think you are trying to soft sling mud without backing yourself up~

[Malakittens]

Yes well you wanted a reads post, but instead you got a 'my computer is about to die stream of conscious post' that I wanted out to say how I feel about certain players.

Huntress and I know each other before this site so her not commenting on our interactions is pretty daming. There's things I want her to address in it also so it's not all irrevelant.

Also you aren't lynchin me so gl trying <3

[Malakittens]

No because my reads are still in the stage that I call 'waffle' stage. Which is how I do sort my reads out. Exactly how I'm doing right now. If you try to get me to put someone in anorher category I can't promise you after a few posts it will still be in that same one and then you can use the reads list you forced me to post into me being scummy.

Also I was waiting for huntress to comment on us. That's what I was waiting on because she tends to ignore me as scum and interact very little so I was waiting for a reach out from her.

If you look at my posts to Josh you can see that I was never okay with his whole policy lynching. Just ISO go ISO me on that one.

Ok you can I have totally different game styles. Doesn't matter any games that we play we are always going to fight so I'm just gonna probably avoid you. Not because I don't like you or anything, but we conflict which would be a major problem in any game we play especially if we were to be the same alignment.

I need to go to work now.

[Malakittens]

Yeah I have never fully understood why people do it, but I'm guilty of doing it myself accidentally sometimes

[Malakittens]

@Desa:

I know that people do it. I fully witnessed players doing it in either a QT etc. I just never found it useful to myself to do it. I rather have a flip. I did it once on a game, but that was because I was in a full on tunnel and convinced myself this person was scum and to go on my own personal mission to seek out every single one of his scum buddies.

[Malakittens]

Mala, you going to respond to 696?

i did say I was going to just ignore you because I'm sick of being fired up everytime I come into this thread and see a post by you because you don't see that it's a playstyle clash that's affecting your read on me.

WE PLAY DIFFERENT, END OF STOREH.

[Malakittens]

Some of her posts have given me scum-gut feels (the whole Zeb thing, which I have already commented on), but then there is other posts by her that make her feel town. Such as the questioning which I have also pointed out because that does fit into her town meta. What I really don't like currently is how she hasn't made a comment on the BBT v I argument, which I expected town-Huntress to have taken a side. I have faced a few games where she has barely taken a stance on me besides knowing me for a while and probably having the vast meta to pretty much read-me-like-a-book. Although, I have also seen town her not make a read on me besides gut. My issue frankly is that she hasn't made one comment on my posting which makes me question whether or not she can't read me this game or she's trying to stay silent on it and sweep it under the rug. Either way it's been bothering me for a while so I was hoping that her current read through would give me a glimpse of her stance on BBT v I discussion.

I saw your exchanges with BBT as more about a clash of playstyles than anything else, but your reactions looked town to me so I didn't feel the need to comment, especially as I was already arguing with him about something else (Did you comment on that? If you did I think I missed it.). What about it did you expect me to take a side on? If it was the use of meta I gave BBT my opinion earlier that meta is a good tool. Although in your case a gut read seems to work better for me and it's currently saying town.

Do you think BBT is scum? You voted him briefly but I got the feeling that was more out of frustration with him than out of suspicion. I've got a null read on him at the moment.

By the way, that "vast meta" you speak of consists almost entirely of games in which you were town. There was one scum game early last year where you were lynched fairly early before I managed to get a proper read on you, but that's about it.

I'm more opening up to this is a playstyle clash. I thought maybe it was because he was scum, but I keep waffling on that read. I do have to do a run on his town meta, but I'm not really finding the time plus I think it's a waste of effort if his sig holds any truth.

I read your arguments, but I didn't respond to it at all no. I just didn't find that it needed a response, but I agreed with some of your points you made while questioning him though.

It's more he's annoying me in a little bit of a way. He reminds me a lot of Sets. (I'm not going to lie on that one.) I'm bouncing back and forth on him. Part of me wants to call him scum because he does remind me of the game he was scum in the newbie, but I do need to meta. I should probably do it now instead of trying to find time during the week which I know won't happen.

Right, but that still is more than they have access to in a way. (:P)

[Malakittens]

@ BBT: I'm trying to work out whether you have a genuine reason to call MS's play scummy, or whether you just used his playstyle as an excuse to vote him. You haven't said that you have any problem with his individual votes apart from the one on you, so it looks like you just threw out a buzzword - vote hopping - and called him scummy for it.

Okay.

Thanks meta'ing because I actually find this interesting.

Can you do me a favor and read this post. It's from a recent finished newbie of his (he was town there).

I just find it interesting that Corrino actually called him out on it and he never did answer it or if he did it wasn't quoted. I find it both odd and amusing all at the same time.

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Either way it's prob not relevant and I'm also misreading it

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No because my reads are still in the stage that I call 'waffle' stage. Which is how I do sort my reads out. Exactly how I'm doing right now. If you try to get me to put someone in anorher category I can't promise you after a few posts it will still be in that same one and then you can use the reads list you forced me to post into me being scummy.

Also I was waiting for huntress to comment on us. That's what I was waiting on because she tends to ignore me as scum and interact very little so I was waiting for a reach out from her.

If you look at my posts to Josh you can see that I was never okay with his whole policy lynching. Just ISO go ISO me on that one.

But you said that you should be able to read Huntress and GM due to how much you have played with them. We're nearly 30 pages in and you're null on both of them...how do you think that looks?

I agreed you did not like Josh's policy lynching, in fact, I outright stated it. What I asked was; why are you voting him now for it and not way back at 160 when you complained about it?

You still didn't explain how your town-read on Josh changed to a scum-read, can you do that please?

*should* doesn't mean I always can.

I used to play with GM a lot, but we haven't really crossed paths since my time on my alt. Maybe one or twice after that and she's picked up some of my tells I had on her so they are no longer able to be used very accurately.

As for huntress read. that one also takes time, but sometimes I can pretty much gut read her. For instance one of an old newbie game I think by page 4[?] I had her as a really strong town read via gut. We had also faced each other in a micro and she was scum and I just sat reading her as null-town until like after she was hammered and I realized that she was flipping scum. -__-.
I think it's I need to figure out what motivation her posts are coming from and which likely alignment she is in order to read her.

It looks bad, but I really don't care because once I do get a read on them the game will become easier. Also I'm leaning on reading GM as town and I think I like that read.

I had a sligh town vibe on Josh from the effort in his 615.
It was just one of those posts that actually felt town because it made a point that NPAU could actually be town because of the amount of people scum reading him.

in his post 669 I didn't like this line:

I'm half tempted to vote NPAU in hopes that there has been bussing.

I hated it in fact. Like I said it felt comprising even though I doubt he would have actually gone through with it, but it felt off/odd. etc

i answered your question because i was in a giving mood, enjoy~~

[Malakittens]

I thought it looked like I influenced your read on GM, but that's okay!

[Malakittens]

Yes, but if you read my posts Josh you will realize that my scum read on Nyayayaa had merit. Nyayaya was obv posting elsewhere and fully aware this game was ongoing. (I asked the day start PMs to make sure he was aware the game started)

Your omgus read/vote on me is noted though!

[Malakittens]

It should considering the activity in which I thought was content in other games just turned out to be mod posting.

Does that change anything bbt?

[Malakittens]

Uh Gm is contributing. I fail to see how she's not now. She might not have been before but she is now.

Please tell me where she isn't scum hunting.

[Malakittens]

I seriously don't know what to do with Shin v Uct. I don't know why he also added my name in the mix. <_<

[Malakittens]

Lolno. It won't happen.

Josh. There can be games I hop a lot others I dont. It depends on how I'm approaching the game scum hunting wise etc.

Please tell me where I omgus voted you. I was not really liking your posts at all besides the one that felt town, but its something scum or town could do either way.

Also I voted hopped more than you are making out to not have hopped. Voted my RVS then nyayayaa, then bbt, then GM then you.

So yeah anyone who I was trying to read or actively hunt. So all my votes have had reasons besides maybe BBT with the votes.

[Malakittens]

Shin -- I didn't like the defense in the newbie game and I sure as hell don't like it now. T_T

At first I misread NPAU's post thought he was saying he was okay with the lynch on himself. Which felt like AtE, but reading back on it further is not what he said at all.

I'm off today so I'll prob look through the game a bit more, but deadline is close so we do need a lynch. So I'll put my vote to the NPAU wagon if needed.

[Malakittens]

If it makes you feel any better my null read has become a town read on huntress!

Be happy I didn't just reply something snarky to your snark remark BBT.

[Malakittens]

Uh, Des, I'm getting reads by players interactions. I scum hunt my way and you scum hunt yours.

My newest two top townreads are {GM & Huntress}. Huntress because of her interactions with NPAU is town-motivated and other half is I'm gut-leaning towards town-Huntress.
My third townread is Shinobi is actually playing very similarly to how he was in that newbie game. His defense of his townreads, the way he's going about hunting. The only thing that was off was his interactions with Uct.

I'm also leaning town on Scripten.

I want to vote Heph, but that's because of the slot owner before Heph. I already raised points on him, but what's stopping me is Josh being on the wagon. Plus I'm not entirely sold on town-Peabody. Heph does feel a bit different than Tit for Tat, but if Uct is right about his meta it could because of a role rather than alignment difference. In Tit For Tat Heph was a town-backup-rolecop.

I wouldn't mind lynching NPAU for a deadline lynch, but I'm not really seeing everything that people are seeing from him. Plus Josh raised a decent point that I agreed with at the time.

I don't really know what to say on Ms. He really feels different. He was active and now it has slowly died and I haven't really seen that from any games I played with sonic before. He's either has been active in games and stayed active or he was inactive and kept that activity throughout the game.

I already have given my thoughts on BBT and Josh. Those are deff on the strong side of my scum reads.

Huntress made a decent point on Uct is how he panicked when being questioned/voted by Shinobi. That was only after one vote and I did not like his defense. My gut is leaning scum, but he has actually done things prior that I have liked. So I'm just going to leave him as null until I can figure out where I really want him to sit.

Dave I am just putting you in the weak-town pile. I had liked Zeb really early on and I have liked things that you have done, but I don't really trust myself to have read Zeb wrong early on.

Anyways that's where I'm sitting in terms of reads.

[Malakittens]

Right because of I go to reply to that via quote it's going to be a wall, nty.

1. I already just commented on what I thought about Shin v Uct. Read my last post.

2. Thanks for the misrep on there. I don't have to vote someone to attempt to engage them. I engage without voting in order to read someone. I watch their interactions with others.

3. I already stated in my last post that the NPAU case doesn't make sense to me. I have tried to understand it, but I'm just not seeing what others are seeing. The one part that I did comment on felt off. It wasn't something majorly alignment telling because players act differently to being resigned to a lynch. Also I never did say I claimed that I could read NPAU. I already said that GM was a major one I could read like a book in the past and also Huntress.
I don't really do cases. I'm not the best at explaining gut feelings. So trying to pursue or lack of persuading someone to vote someone I'm voting isn't really a scum tell for me.

[Malakittens]

Sigh.

It feels genuine. I still don't like it took her near 2 weeks to present it, but w/e.

UNVOTE:

Because I don't really gain reads off the bat type thing that people think I do. I try to establish a type of pattern before condemning them. I like to look for meta differences/similarities etc. So yes it takes me normally that long to do a readslist like that.

[Malakittens]

Well reading back to BBT's one link I just realized that Uct never did answer a question in regards to Heph and his meta.

[Malakittens]

Mala, if you are town, we should be working together to lynch someone that we both agree is scummy. How about you also get on this wagon and then we can talk about feeling stupid for not doing it earlier.

Your commitment/non commitment is disturbing. Up until the GM thing, I definitely thought you were town. Now I'm seriously starting to wonder.

You said that you jumped off the GM wagon because your scum reads were on it. With your updated Scum reads I have to ask which came first on the GM wagon
BBT
or
Malakittens

I really think that you should be voting whatever scum read you had from the GM wagon and not dicking around with this other nonsense.

I never stated that I went off the GM wagon because my scum reads were on it. Please quote where I said that. I said that I didn't like the pace of the wagon. If scum were on the wagon it was towards the end and maybe BBT.

Nope due to your tone I'm happy with my vote on you now. You are getting jumpy, defensive and overly aggressive because I'm voting you. While trying to use clear misrep for my actions on leaving the GM wagon.

[Malakittens]

Josh I posted a read list back in 891 .

Should answer your own questions on that matter.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Npau

[Malakittens]

Dont reference that becsuse thats ongoing. Seriously

[Malakittens]

Kek

Yeah the GM shouldnt kick off imo.

His last post didnt read town to me, but im biased in a way im guessing.

[Malakittens]

Scum GM would have already voted Npau to save herself

[Malakittens]

Bbt im really confident that GM is town.
Plain and simple.

Npau knows better than to reference an ongoing game. So why he did that, got away and got townread for it is bizarre

[Malakittens]

If w get a no lynch im blaming those who didnt want to move their vote to NPAU

[Malakittens]

I didnt?

Npau needs two votes; gm needs 4?

[Malakittens]

You know who I think might actually be scum? Huntress. But that's for another day and and after more analysis.

I just see an aggressive defensiveness in her posts that look like something I do when I'm scum. That's all I'm willing to disclose for now. Since I'd have to research and junk.

No i used o think that also but its not

[Malakittens]

Uh npau is dead..

Vla til monday. Birthday trip upstate. Might be on at night depending on everything ~

[Malakittens]

So it looks like i won't really be here til we are leaving monday night. The net keeps kicking me off. Ill try to follow when i can, but no promises.

I read Wisdom's posts and he feels a lot more town than sonic ever did so i dont get GM's comments towards Wisdo right now.

[Malakittens]

Also thank god that Wisdom is here. Him and BBT are very similar so im hoping maybe they can talk sense into each other when things get rough.

[Malakittens]

Wisdom explain to me how you are townreading Heph for me?

[Malakittens]

BBT right now I'm not confident in leaving my vote anywhere when I barely have stable internet in case a yoloQL appears or some voting shenanigans happen. I'll vote when I'm home in my bed on monday night until then you get unstable internet posts when I can post.

[Malakittens]

Wisdom can you do me a quick favor especially if you are the meta person type. I *think* you are semi open to it, but can you look at two games of BBT that I have played with.
One is a micro that just completed modded by Micc, the second is a newbie game and it will be one of his first games on site, but i forget the number and the mod off the top of my head.

Can you just read his ISOs and tell me which one you think mirror his current play because I'm really undecided. I feel like part of his current play here might be his scum play, but then sometimes I see a glimmer of similarities of our recent encounter.

[Malakittens]

Although I keep forgetting that BBT townslipped pretty hard at the start of Day 2. WHY CAN'T I GET THIS PARANOIA GONE?!?!

[Malakittens]

yes you did.

Wisdom just ignore me - everytime I start going on and on about BBT being potentially scum remind me of the townslip~

[Malakittens]

Uct and NPAU may be good wagons also. These are based on reading Scripten's ISO now that he be dead.

[Malakittens]

holy shit shut up BBT

[Malakittens]

No really, stop asking what someone's thought process of the masons are. It's not town-motivated. Just leave it be, please.

[Malakittens]

BBT threatening to replace out because he wasn't being listened to feels.. fake....? I guess you can call it. I remember skimming a scum game and he did the same/similar thing. Part of me wants to vote BBT, but then parts of me thinks that he's been townie at times so as I'm still on vacation and don't want to throw a vote down I'm going to hold off.

Wisdom/Huntress/GM are still up on my high town list.
I still wouldn't mind lynching Heph.
Josh and peabody or even dave I wouldn't mind voting either at this stage.

I need to reread some of Scripten's games. I think he might have been killed off due to being familiar with certain players and I want to draw that connection.

(so glad that i decided to copy and paste this before tying to send as it kicked me off and ate the post. >.>)

Wifi

[Malakittens]

;; Dave & BBT are the only two major connections that are common from 2/3, josh from 1/3.

[Malakittens]

Deadline Josh and I wasn't lynching GM who was the counterwagon and a strong townread. Which did you want me to do, contribute to a no lynch to avoid lynching neither?

[Malakittens]

I already looked at them Wis, one step ahead of you man.

[Malakittens]

It could also indicate Dave-scum too.

[Malakittens]

Yeah, but just because BBT has the most common games doesn't mean he's scum. It could just be familiarity and if they are scared of the player. So BBT, Josh and Dave could be scum, but I doubt it's all three of them.

[Malakittens]

My bad. Dave is 1/3, don't ask me where I got the second game. >_>

[Malakittens]

Fuck Josh, do you know how stupid, baseless and not even helpful in what you just told me to do. I don't see how less than 2 days to the dead line you wanted me to switch my vote to contribute to a no lynch to avoid lynching someone who I thought was maybe town and someone who was strong town read. I have come to the conclusion that no lynching is worst than lynching someone Day 1 regardless of your "feelings" for them are.

Please tell me how no lynching day 1 would have helped the town...?

[Malakittens]

Fuck Josh if you think thats fucking why i voted npau then you are either fucking dense or misrepping me up the ass. Which is it?

[Malakittens]

Josh remind me why you are town again? Besides the whole I got a 'town role PM'.

[Malakittens]

GoodMorning
Malakittens
Davesaz
Uctriton
Peabody
Huntress

That leaves
Wisdom
Hephestus
BlueBloodedToffee
Shinobi

Wisdom is prob-town. Switch Peabody with Wisdom and unsure on Uct, but I think Shinobi is also likely-town.

[Malakittens]

Shin how the fuck is that a scumclaim

[Malakittens]

Prod dodging, will get here tomorrow after work.

[Malakittens]

Why would a scum!Wisdom change his reads from Josh when he was at L-1?

UNVOTE:

(^so nothing happens yet)

Prob not

[Malakittens]

Ugh never.

[Malakittens]

I want to see a hell of a lot more from Mala after her V/LA. Those posts were awful.

More from GM aswell.

Oh shut up. They weren't awful considering your posts at the time I was commenting were pretty bad, but please do explain how they were awful.

So Huntress post with her reads DO come off as more town-Huntress then scum-Huntress so my read on her has strengthened. In addition she's not doing her little scum tell thing so yeah~

BBT I have zero clue on why you are voting Wisdom, but it just a horrible vote that you should consider changing it ASAP. Like seriously this isn't scum Wisdom and you both act so similarly it's incredible.

I also had a theory that would indicate BBT-town and no I'm not sharing it with the class as of right now, but my willingness to jump on the BBT train has decreased.

[Malakittens]

Uct for me is becoming more and more scum in my eyes.

I don't like the change of his read on Heph. This seems really opportunistic IMO. He hasn't answered a question that I asked him back in D1 in regards to a comment that he made on Heph. This seems to me that he can't back up what he was trying to convey back in D1.

VOTE: Uct

Shinobi this would be the time to explain Uct-town because I'm not seeing it.

[Malakittens]

T_T

why are you voting my townreads, WHY.

Shinobi is town, Uct is scum and I'm being sheeped-ish.

[Malakittens]

My original read on mala was based on legitimate effort from her, which is too much for a scum to be going through IMO

What do you think about the quote below Uct?

Malakittens

- I played a game with her recently where she relied heavily on meta, but ended up as scum. I don't know how a town-Mala plays yet.

Taking a golden nugget from GM "Effort is not indicative of alignment"!!!

[Malakittens]

Shinobi is town

Why?

Gut, meta, super gut feeling.

[Malakittens]

Thanks for the replace.

And Mala, are you referencing BBT as a town read? Or did you only mean Shinobi?

BBT is a townread as well as Shinobi.

Hooray, there's actually a player in the Heph slot.

Mala, I need help . I can't get my head around the hephestus situation. DP1 it was completely ignored. Recently it seems to have gotten some support, at least in name.
Would you say that Heph has been ignored townie, or ignored scum?

I don't recall either of us being attacked for scum reading him. But there wasn't any support for it either.

I think Heph might be lurking/replacing out regardless of alignment.
He could be both I guess, idk I wanted to say his slot before he replaced lurked and I really thought it was scum lurking, but at this point I don't know anymore.

Kind of busy atm, will post more when I have time.

@Mala: I still need your opinions on the Wisdom/Josh fight.

TvTish.

[Malakittens]

Wisdom is town. As I said I remember seeing him and this doesn't feel like Wisdom-scum.
Josh's posts have gotten better tbh.

[Malakittens]

So yeah my townpool reads look like this {GM, Wisdom, Huntress, BBT, Shinobi, {josh}}

[Malakittens]

So yeah my townpool reads look like this {GM, Wisdom, Huntress, BBT, Shinobi, {josh}}

You're missing at least one definite, really obvious townie. And it's more important to know which of the not listed people is your biggest scum read.

Enlighten me then?

My biggest scumread is Uct; the person I'm voting.

[Malakittens]

ALSO I'M ANSWERING THE PREVIOUS POST GIVE ME TIME OKAY.

[Malakittens]

@Mala, it's important for us to have a detailed explanation of your BBT and Shinobi reads, because they're coming up a solid scum read for multiple people. I in particular could use some input because I'm seeing multiple sets of people who could be town who are agreeing with each other or could be scum together

I really never do detail, but sinceeeeeeeeee you asked sooooooooo nicelyyyyyy and I'm in a good mood.

Shinobi is because there's been shimmers of town-Shinobi. His early defense of me felt like conviction and a very similar parallel play that he did in a completed newbie game.

Also these posts are what I like from early game:

Okay, let's move on from the fact that I think that question is dumb and I'll give you an answer even though I really don't want to:

Because ISOing players during day 1 isn't going to produce much in the way of findings, especially when you can just read the thread and glean the exact same information but with better context. Using an ISO this early is needless busywork and it's just generally better to ask questions and play the game. Even if you didn't want to talk much, reading the thread is still better because looking at a pure ISO doesn't give you the same quality of read because of a lack of context.

And that isn't even getting into the fact that nothing of importance has actually warranted an ISO dive, in my opinion.

So how does this answer make me readable in any way? How does this help you figure out my alignment?

I haven't really been paying attention to this game much, so consider this somewhat of a prod dodge/catch up post.

BBT vs Mala looks almost exactly like a bog-standard TvT fight: lots of point-by-point analysis being done on each other and lots of passion from both sides. I'd really like you two to stop fighting and to move on to something else, because it looks like you two butt heads every single time you're both in the thread.

I can't even remember where my vote is or why I put it there, so UNVOTE: .

NPAU is scummy for the following reasons: his frequent vote swapping/shoddy reasoning is more in-line with spreading doubt rather than solving the game, but somebody probably already pointed it out.

Someone is going to have to explain the GM wagon to me at some point, and preferably in non-MS terms. Mala's case seems okay but some evidence would be great.

Also, if the people calling me scummy could, like, shut up, that would be great. I'll get more up-to-date at some point.

I hate how everyone is drawing associative reads from everything.

I'm looking at them and they all look dumb. Maybe it's just me.

Stop worrying about Mala because Mala is town. That entire conversation is basically nothing more than useless meta arguments combined with playstyle clashes, which results in nothing but meaningless white noise. If Mala is somehow scum here, then whatever the fuck you guys are doing basically just gave her a lot to talk about. We are not lynching an outspoken/active player on day 1.

Instead, let's focus on the guy I'm voting. The guy who was posting here not even a minute before I was and then immediately fucks off when I pressure him.

And no, the only thing that bothered me was D1 with his fight against Uct. Other than that I found nothing "scummy" about his play.

Yes, I like to overly trust my really early towngutreads. TRADEMARK OF MALA.

[Malakittens]

Also I been back and forth on BBT, but I feel like every game we had since our newbie our playstyles clashed. His tunneling didn't feel like super scummy, but more so frustrating to me. The only thing that bothered me about BBT was the asking for reads which he did over and over again in the newbie game where he was scum.
He also townslipped IMO in the beginning of D2. I know it's weak, but if he was scum and he was talking to his partners about who we should kill etc he would have remembered that someone was dead.

[Malakittens]

He reached out to me. That felt town surprisingly >.>

RE:Joshtown

[Malakittens]

Because he thinks you two are scum and he thought so on his own, long before I said anything. So he doesn't care in the slightest that I'm also pushing you, because he realizes he might just be wrong about scumreading me.

-________-

really wisdom WHY

[Malakittens]

b/c its a pet peeve of mine.

[Malakittens]

I used to be like whatever at it, but then I once questioned someone and someone else answered for him and then it got me so fed up. >>

[Malakittens]

awjqnwjnqwrnqwr.

Just saying.

So I might be on the wrong track about Uct if I'm right on something.

Gonna hold off from an Uct vote until I can find time to sort something out.

UNVOTE: Uct.

I might be willing to vote NC as his posts so far haven't swung me one way or another.
Still okay with a peabody vote/lynch.
Not okay with a vote on Huntress, Wisdom or GM. Don't want to vote BBT or Shinobi if I can avoid it.

-__-

I hate this game because I don't really know where I want to go, but I'm pretty sure at least one of these wagons at this point are probably on scum, which makes me sad because most of these wagons are townreads one way or another.

Should be back on Wednesday as I have a 12 hour today (tuesday).

[Malakittens]

=\

Wisdom being replaced.

@NC:

Why are you getting so defensive over my thinking your slot is scum for lurking. It is because it's true that you are scum and my reasoning was right?

[Malakittens]

VOTE: NC

Chooo,chooo away~

[Malakittens]

Just because someone claims someone else is town doesn't equal masons josh. If that's the case any game that I played with anyone who I have mAjor experience would mean I would have a mason read on them. :p

I don't see how BBT and shin town reading each other means they have to be masons. I don't.

[Malakittens]

In post 1945, Malakittens wrote:
So I might be on the wrong track about Uct if I'm right on something.

Gonna hold off from an Uct vote until I can find time to sort something out.

Any news on this yet?

Yeah. I'm not as comfortable with the Uct lynch as I was days ago. You shouldn't be either.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Peabody

[Malakittens]

I have Mala, GM, and Davesaz as town.
Peabody is town, but I'm less sure.

That leaves BBT and Shinobi claiming to know that each other is town, but claiming to not be masons.
And that Leaves
Wisdom/MS and Nero/heph claiming that each other is town.

I'm definitely thinking that one group is scum. Are they scum or are they masons? or are neither of them scum, and neither of them masons.
It's like it's multiball only one team is town and one team is scum.

I'm probably just going to end up on Peabody at the end of the day.

I just don't see any other alternatives that make much sense right now and I'm willing to trust that Mala is reading the current situation more accurately than I am.

Okay, seriously "what" to both of these posts.

Especially what to Shinobi. What are you trusting me in regards too?

[Malakittens]

@mala. I can't tell the difference between hiding scum and hiding masons. They both have the same informed minority features. I'd say this game is like multiball, but one of the scum teams win with the town.

if you are town you shouldn't even be hunting for the masons at all. I can understand actively trying to make sure not to wagon them is a thing, but it's annoying and makes you go crazy. It's exactly why I can't think of a mulitball game as multiball because if I hunt for Mafia Team X and Mafia Team Y, I doubt every single one of my reads and go crazy in thread. I'm always the worst player in a multiball game. So just don't go looking for masons even if you think it might be a good thing to try and avoid them.

[Malakittens]

Eh I'm probably the last person you want to sheep atm.

[Malakittens]

@Hunt:

I'd point out why I feel that way at a later time, but right now isn't the time to do so. I'm being vague for a reason.

[Malakittens]

I said so

[Malakittens]

Your welcome!
I'll explain in like D3 if you want.

[Malakittens]

Sorry watching TGW. Trying to get caught up by Sunday so I can watch it with Chamber.
I'm not really confident persay. I just feel like the chances of me dying is slim.

[Malakittens]

Dear beast,

huntress is not a double voter <3

Maybe this is a super secret bastard game where they are. You don't know.

Fixed

[Malakittens]

So I might be on the wrong track about Uct if I'm right on something.

Gonna hold off from an Uct vote until I can find time to sort something out.

UNVOTE: Uct.

Do you expatiate on this later?

As I told huntress this wouldn't be the time to say it.

[Malakittens]

Ill be here later.

Peabody it's because a lot of the competing wagons to you are townreads you aren't so I'm voting you

[Malakittens]

That wasn't my intention, Huntress.

Shinobi, I don't think a Josh lynch is feasible and BBT is a much better lynch in my opinion. I'm keeping my vote here.

hm.

[Malakittens]

Bah!
Happy Catoween!~

[Malakittens]

I'm sorry