Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

[mykonian]

This is making sense to me right now. Does anybody have a good reason why we should lynch today instead?

town shots at least have a chance of hitting scum. Nightkills don't. The more town shots you get in, the likelier you are to win.

Your worst case only looks better because you look over limited time, in the end you actually get in a worse situation because scum gained a kill overall.

[mykonian]

that's one awkward quote.

Either way, I'm not entirely happy with how many people are directing pisskop and how much he talked about his shot in thread. That's his part of the game, I have no clue why so many people are trying to get scum to know more.

[Elyse]

Add metal jumping on any wagon he can to reasons he's on the scumpile. He should be pushing his strongest scumread but he's willing to lynch basically anyone except IL which is weird as hell and if he flips scum IL could be his buddy. As a VT, metal's behavior seems a little off.

[pisskop]

Whats the VC?

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote Count 1.18 - up to post #1228.

metalcyanide [4]: Aquanim, Boonskiies, Elyse, toolenduso(L-2)
InsidiousLemons[4]: eektor, mykonian, pisskop, TheDudeAbides(L-2)
Mykonian[2]:RadiantCowbells, Metalcyanide
Not Voting[1]: InsidiousLemons

With 11 alive, it requires 6 votes to lynch.
Day ends on Thursday, March 19th at 5:10 PM USA Mountain Time, or when a lynch occurs

[Metalcyanide]

Add metal jumping on any wagon he can to reasons he's on the scumpile. He should be pushing his strongest scumread but he's willing to lynch basically anyone except IL which is weird as hell and if he flips scum IL could be his buddy. As a VT, metal's behavior seems a little off.

I did push RC and Boon as much as I could. No one cared. So in order to avoid a no lynch I'll jump on a wagon no problem. If we no lynch I'll push RC and boon again D2 but for now I think we need a lynch even if its me.

[eektor]

I believe the VC is 4 and 4 on metal and IL. If necessary I will move my vote to metal.

@Metal I don't understand why you aren't voting for IL. It is down to your lynch or IL and you think IL is more town than you are?

@Elyse You might be right between the two of them being scum buddies. If they are both scum, I wonder if it is IL that has a better power.

[eektor]

@Mod Is that the right VC. I thought pisskop and TDA were voting IL.

[Metalcyanide]

I believe the VC is 4 and 4 on metal and IL. If necessary I will move my vote to metal.

@Metal I don't understand why you aren't voting for IL. It is down to your lynch or IL and you think IL is more town than you are?

@Elyse You might be right between the two of them being scum buddies. If they are both scum, I wonder if it is IL that has a better power.

I don't know if he is town or scum. Early game I thought scum then I switched to a town read then he went away. I don't like to vote for someone who legit can't be here to defend themselves, unlike someone like boon who just isn't playing.

If we get down to it I'll hammer IL to avoid the no lynch.

[mykonian]

Add metal jumping on any wagon he can to reasons he's on the scumpile. He should be pushing his strongest scumread but he's willing to lynch basically anyone except IL which is weird as hell and if he flips scum IL could be his buddy. As a VT, metal's behavior seems a little off.

I hear you.

I could hammer. Not as if it really changes anything, I guess. Metal is pretty locked in as far as I can see.

[Aquanim]

This is making sense to me right now. Does anybody have a good reason why we should lynch today instead?

town shots at least have a chance of hitting scum. Nightkills don't. The more town shots you get in, the likelier you are to win.

Your worst case only looks better because you look over limited time, in the end you actually get in a worse situation because scum gained a kill overall.

No, that is not how it works in this case. If Pisskop shoots town we lose a mislynch, so we would gain no town-controlled kills overall and lose a day for discussion.

[Aquanim]

I'll also note that Mykonian seems to

know

I'm town. I'm probably not the best judge of this - does anyone think that is an unreasonable position for him to hold if he's town?

I assume you to be one.

I kind of want to but I don't think there'd be six votes for Mykonian and trying to switch at this stage feels like it'd be inviting a no-lynch. I'll be sorrier if Metal's town than I would be if we lynched Mykonian and he flipped town but...

But this post gets hilarious in that context. I love hypocrites.

I don't even follow what your point is. The latter post was talking about the hypothetical case where either of you flips town. In general I prefer to lynch people where I would be minimally sorry if they flipped town, but due to practicalities I'm making an exception today.

I can't help but notice you trying to change the subject away from you being caught in a lie in this post, too.

Really. Let me go and see what other people in this game thought of our little discussion.

Yes, I agree with you in that interaction.
...

...
-Aqua makes a good point about Metal's stance on Taly, but I think eektor's stance on Taly looks worse:
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So basically your point there still makes no sense, as confirmed by other reasonable people in this thread who I would

a priori

expect to side with you over me, and you're trying to spin it as me throwing a tantrum.

[Aquanim]

...Screw it, let's get a show of hands.

How many people who are here would policy lynch Boonskiies?

[mykonian]

oh, your tantrum was quite real, don't worry. You don't go "unless someone else wants to talk to me, I'm done for now" if you are perfectly calm still

Even in the same go as when you push me, you are already admitting you do it moreso because you are annoyed by me than because you think I'm scum.

Tantrum seems like a perfectly applicable word, actually. Ty for mentioning it.

[Metalcyanide]

*raises hand*

[Metalcyanide]

seriously we need to kill someone

[Aquanim]

oh, your tantrum was quite real, don't worry. You don't go "unless someone else wants to talk to me, I'm done for now" if you are perfectly calm still

Even in the same go as when you push me, you are already admitting you do it moreso because you are annoyed by me than because you think I'm scum.

Tantrum seems like a perfectly applicable word, actually. Ty for mentioning it.

So, every one of these sentences is wrong too. Being on this side of my screen, I know when I'm throwing a tantrum, and I wasn't. I realised that talking to you further was a waste of my time since you were just going to keep insisting I was wrong with no interesting argument to the contrary.

You are irritating me, indeed. The last two players I encountered who irritated me by claiming things about my actions and my play that were incorrect were both mafia. I'm willing to take that heuristic out for another spin. (I don't recommend that heuristic to most people, by the way, but given my particular mentality and playstyle it works for me.)

You're still dodging the part where Elyse and Tool agreed with me that my point had merit, and thus that your argument against it did not.

[mykonian]

oh, totally

(to both of you)

[MonkeyMan576]

@Mod Is that the right VC. I thought pisskop and TDA were voting IL.

Fixed.

[Aquanim]

Well, if you still don't want to talk about that, I think I've adequately made my point.

[MonkeyMan576]

Day 1 ends in 2 1/2 hours.

[mykonian]

Well, if you still don't want to talk about that, I think I've adequately made my point.

Well, we went over it again, ended up on the same result. I've tried to explain the difference between scumminess and weird, you find ways to convince yourself weird is scummy. Of course it's not going anywhere, argument doesn't change with what the feelings of others are.

Only one way to find out, isn't there?

vote metal

I'm saying I hammered town. Still think he's scum?

[Aquanim]

That's not the hammer, apparently.

Even if he flips town, your idea of defending him was to nitpick a single point in the argument against him (totally ignoring the other points), and the lynch you tried to push instead had the argument that... "IL made a listpost". You won't be off the hook.

I'm less convinced he's gonna flip scum than I was a few days ago, but since the town screwed around for the last few days we're now committed whether you or I like it or not.

[pisskop]

We should lynch today. We are not nolynching. I will hold my shot.

Say we no lynch, will you use your shot?

Why?

[mykonian]

aww bummer, there go my style points.

the lynch you tried to push instead had the argument that... "IL made a listpost".

You'll appreciate it in a couple of years