Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:52 am

Gamma, it's day fucking one. No one is going to have an iron clad case. It's not a mystery when we tell you why we are voting for Espy. You may not comprehend why the votes based on logic but the reasons are not a mystry

Espy, I do not believe you.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:44 am

Deadlines

Lynch 1 Warning: April 16th, 8:11 pm PST - (expired on 2015-04-16 20:11:00)

Lynch 1 Deadline: April 20th 10:11 AM PST- (expired on 2015-04-20 10:11:00)

Major Day 1 Deadline: April 25, 6:00 PM PST - (expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Daily reminder: In 2 and a half days, it's time to start consolidating.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:12 am

@Mastina, Thanks. We need to talk about GiF. He's town but I can't explain why. He should be in the block.

I usually am never invited to townblocks so I am fine with it for now. You aren't conftown though but I am reasonably happy to say you're town for today and TTH is.

Get the votes and I will move to singer. I think both are likely scum.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:59 am

Singer, Shadoweh is not happening. All you've been doing is doubtcasting town. Stop your vanity vote.

@Mastina, Would scum Marquis really admit to being the most annoying scum I have ever seen, knowing I was looking for patterns in the flail. Also tjis flail from Marquis matches more her townflail than YnB. YnB had an arrogance to them. So what my wagon is entirely town, you're not going to lynch me type vibe. Here, I see someome frustrated, confusedand working with people. Maybe its next level buddying but I doubt it.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:06 am

@FFerylt, who would your townblock be?

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:17 am

You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?

Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:17 am

Forgot CDB there.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:17 am

and Oversoul.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:44 am

What happened since 1917 FFery?

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:49 am

DV being god tier town. Your words.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:59 am

No. I don't. Explain please.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:23 am

Mind meld?

Fuck it. VOTE: Singer

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:28 am

Sympathico is mind meld right?

Singer has been rehashing vanity wagons, complaining about the game statevthat makes no coherent sense, spending more time talking about people she will not lynch and has no desire to work with anyone. Espy at least tries rather than posting unless drivel that makes me want to be overly aggressive.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:38 am

Either are good votes, just Singer is really grinding my patience and I see nothing town about her.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:59 am

And here we go again, "no one's working together"...but she attacks the people working together

@FFery, I see similarities there. Maybe it's confbias but singer there really wante control there and Singer looks pissed because she's not in control here.

@Singer, If you intended to work with anyone you'd be reaching out, complaining less, and moving your vote off your vanity wagon.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:01 am

Post game Mastina you are going to have to explain how stubbornness works for you and not me.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:11 am

@Mastina, I would find someone checking me when I'm obvtown scummy too. He's wrong but I get it. Is it just that he disagrees on TTH?

Still laughing at the response to Vezok.

@Singer, Shadoweh is not getting lynched, no one else scumreads her. You on the other hand are awfully arrogant for being the second wagon. There has to be some other position you can take.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:11 pm

Oh my god. This is a powder keg. I want to start kicking people. Mastina's being stubborn. Bulba is threatening to go postal... I hope this goes well...

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:39 pm

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:46 pm

@GiF, Teammates can be invested regardless of the alignment of their team.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:52 pm

In post 2458, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 2456, Titus wrote:@GiF, Teammates can be invested regardless of the alignment of their team.

There's a difference between being invested and trying to figure out the game.

Yes but scum can not want ika here as well. Ika provides a unique perspective that is totally different from us eggheads. I have a special gelling ability I have with ika when we both know each other. So making that comment is not conftown.

Titus · Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:15 pm

How do you have a townread on AD?

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:13 am

In post 2467, vezokpiraka wrote:
In post 2412, mastin2 wrote:
In post 2383, vezokpiraka wrote:Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?
Like you're 5, and I'm an adult?

Alright.

Because I said so.

(What, that's what my parents did to me. No explanation, just 'because we said so'.)

THE FUCKING LISTEN TO ME. SINGER IS NOT SCUM.

Maybe I can agree with your tth read, but as long as you believe singer is scum we have nothing to talk about. I will try to discredit every single post of yours and will push for you to be lynched.

This really makes me reget pushing for you to be booned.

What is with this game when everyone

but the notorious hardheaded townie

adopts a my way or the highway approach?

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:03 am

In post 2476, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so I don't like all of the major wagon.
This must be FFXA v2.

In post 2477, Oversoul wrote:No one ever answered my question of why Espeonage is leading wagon
Also why was Vezok booned. That seemed not very good play and very odd coming from Fferylt from what I remember

FFXA v2?

Espy is tied for the leading wagon because he has had a lack of scumhunting and a refusal to take stances. Under pressure, the reason he reached for was many pages back.

Vezok was booned because he was the best option out of FFery's pool.

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:35 am

Off to do taxes...be back later.

TTH, you and I need to talk tomorrow.

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:31 pm

@TTH,

If you read my ISO almost even glance at it, you would know I thought people were tolefishing you and that yhe wagon that developed sucked. I want to draw you out of hiding and you become the largest wagon all day at the blink of an eye. Umm no. I don't think so. That means you're almost certainly town.

ETL, we had a big spat over amateur in our last game. She went as far as saying that people needed medication to understand me. That still hurts. I was right there too, so she'll need to bring reasons before I entertain that I am wrong from her. I am sure she's nice and has reasons but I don't rapidly forget blows that get under my skin. As for Anti, he might as well give you the reasons so Mastina's townblock works effeciently. Townblocks don't work if we undermine each other.

TLDR: Bring it into the open and let's talk.

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:17 pm

Where Singer?

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 2513, singersigner wrote:Also, now that it's been brought up, maybe you and Ffery should have a dialogue with BBT about our last game together since he was my scum buddy. What does he have to say?

BBT's reading my posts to make sure I play nice. I will ask him about your scum meta though.

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:02 pm

@ika, If they do, I have sucked. I thought you got my play and was deliberately having GiF lurk to slayer's without explaining coffeeshop. I start foreclosing lynches...if that wasn't your plan...whoops.
Who is scum then?
I like Singer scum too.

@Singer, will address you when BBT gives me that meta you wanted.

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:06 pm

@ika,

I hope TSO is on by about 23 hundred hours give or take an hour. I would like to talk to him, especially about that DLP game where the last lynch decided if Fonti or I won.

Titus · Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:35 pm

I was hoping to crumb to ika since you thought about having him replace in. Given we are not on the same page, might as well move us towards it.

Find my broken watch.

Titus · Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:32 am

@GiF, I am sorry if I insulted you. Given the influence ika has had on this game, I thought you were taking his adivce. I meant no offense by it.

The message to ika is meant to be convoluted to some extent. I was identifying I was using similar crumbing methods to a game on DLP where I played town siding survivor. If he follows the clues, I left him information thatmight be helpful. Given the amount of games I play, putting that in that manner is the best wayI can get a message to just ika without breaking a code mechanic.

I am frustrated that I am trying to work with you both but you not telling me what's going on. I feel like I am trying to play without a playbook and getting chastized for it.

That being said, if you are unwilling to communicate with me your plan, I will just say fuck you and go it with my other townreads. I will still protect you but it will be my way. Is that clear?

Titus · Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:35 am

In post 2582, TellTaleHeart wrote:Hello mastin.
Anti's wondering why you're not sheeping the vote he's endorsing if you're townreading this slot so hard.

I think Mastina's made it abundantly clear that conftown doesn't mean confright in her reactions with Ffery.

Titus · Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:52 am

@Singer

You used a lot of words to essentially say what has already been said about TTH and Shadoweh. The reasons suck then and they suck now. TTH checking DV is NOT alignment indicative. Nor was the sub out. TTH isn't the type to post a lot, but when he does, it generally is good. He's here now, and posting. I don't agree with his reads but he seems genuine about them.

The Shadoweh case depends on you being town and TTH being scum. I believe neither to be true.

I would like to see you takr a townread and defend them. Stick your neck out, risk getting burned if you are town.

Also, BBT said he didn't care for meta. Not surprised. He did link me to a past game. BBT and I both share a disdain for meta, so yeah.

Titus · Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:58 am

In post 2589, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh also for fun and stuff

@Titus: why is titus town?

Why am I town? I hate making towncases on myself but its important to ika so yeah...

Rather than riding on my backside, active lurking and forcing dichotomies between players to take advantage of them, I am trying to get my townreads to work together and defend each other like a coalition. I am still pushing my scumreads as I do this but listening and responding to arguments intelligently.

As for the crumb then, have ika pick a game for a crumb style. I will try to follow that.

@FFery I do have to agree with ika/GiF on telling you Ffery. Risk of interception (given no private history) is far too high and would gain little.

Titus · Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:02 am

I am basically trying to be stubborn on townreads only. It seems to be working so far...only Marwuis has a wagon on him.

Remind me the name of Open 569?

Titus · Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:06 am

Found it. Open 569 I was in abject pain from a car accident I was in. I didn't bus because my meta was to never bus but no I was throwing shade on all the major townreads there. I just cracked when I thought Sakura was pushing me for not replying fast enough.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:17 pm

@Cheetory - It is antitown for me to be direct with a few of your questions. I do not want attention on GiF but ika and I have a method of communicating. It's not perfect and not a code but we have a shared meta that expands about two years and at least three sites. So I'm not going to directly answer that unless GiF gets in trouble which will not happen IMO. I would rather be lynched than reveal that.

I think 507 was referring to Bulba's interactions with Espy and that he was oversensitive. Generally I read people by real time interactions. I need to use the word it less.

TSO's behavior started to seem more like he was emulating his hot headed nature rather than it being genuine. TSO tend to be hotheaded but not a unilateral actor IMO. Plus UT seemed pretty town at the time so it made me go wtf why doubtcast? His insistance on being booned later also was not helpful as whatever he'd do with it likely would not be good regardless of his alignment.

CDB appears to go after GiF, who I know is town. He disappears for awhile after that. It is highly unsettling in that regard but my team recommends waiting on CDB to do something beyond lurking because I will never get someone lynched based on them pushing town all and being stubborn without proof is bad.

@Singer, Stop with the discrediting. People have gone over the read. You have postured at every turn and stopped actually hunting scum. My team recommends not interacting with you to reset but I don't see how you could EVER flip anything but scum here. Zar, Empire, now you all had major issues.

As for meta, looking at personality to see aberrations is not meta. Otherwise everything is meta. Also people can have obvious meta tells. There are only a few with this.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:32 pm

In Uncouth, I didn't have a team advising me on how to get scum lynched. *shrug* After uncouth, people wanted different play. My reads are still front and center but following others leads as to how to communicate with otherss. Alch really liked the way I drew a wagon to myself to force the scums to make bad plays in playing with elements.

So the fact you say I sound wierd is a

good

thing. I do not want to sound like a lunatic but someone who is sane rational and followed. Unfortunately it's still taking mountains to get my own team to listen to ME so its rather frustrating.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:37 pm

Plus Alch's lynch was painful because I could say nothing because Titus is good as scum. My team thought it would save Alch to shut me up. Aside from people liking more, I am doubting how effective the advice is.

Which did I miss?

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:51 pm

One is answered as directly as I feel is right in paragpagh one.

Alchemist's thoughts should be in his post dump I did. Maybe I forgot to post it. Teammates reads generally are in area tags.

Missed the Shadoweh question. Shadoweh is town. Obvious scum singer is pushing Shadoweh. Shadoweh has been active, clear and hrlpful. She hasn't doubtcasted nor done anything particularly scummy. I would like more before obvtown but she's townie.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:57 pm

In post 2671, Cheetory6 wrote:And this one?

Cheetory6 wrote:ii) Given that you were vehemently hardcore against baneing, but made it clear you were just kind of going with the flow on that to not cause problems, why were you okay with baneing a townread? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to be okay with baneing only if it was on a scumread of your's?

Because if people had cop checks, they could check Bulba and prove me right. It wasn't a lynch and we had to bane to boon. Being stubborn would have just lead to no one but me being happy. Plus I like being proven right.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:58 pm

If it was a lynch, I would have resisted.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:04 pm

I did. My team told me I lost and nothing further would be protown by fighting.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:03 pm

In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:06 pm

Two days until lynch 1 deadline. If you're going to make a push on singer now is the time Gamma. I would prefer a singer lynch atm.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:07 pm

In post 2683, Espeonage wrote:Titus recent postings don't seem in line with how I would expect Titus to approach a game. She is a player that commonly does teaching hydras and usually likes to do things on her own terms. Being dictated to by her team seems off.

Well my way isn't effective. As long as I am not hanging my reads, who cares?

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:10 pm

In post 2693, Espeonage wrote:More time, lol. #more than a week.

We have two lynches. Ffery wanted lynch 1 deadline at 3/4 of day. That'll leave us 9 lynches for day 2.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:12 pm

In post 2694, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2690, Titus wrote:
In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Could have fooled me.

When's the last time you played with town me?

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:14 pm

In post 2696, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2691, Titus wrote:Two days until lynch 1 deadline. If you're going to make a push on singer now is the time Gamma. I would prefer a singer lynch atm.

You know, pushing this when there is an established wagon just adds hurry to something that is probably inevitable anyway. What is the pointof that? You have been harpingon all day about how we need to keep schedule and yet there is like no real reason to with the way this day phase has progressed.

Unvote, Vote: Titus

This is probs a scum lynch. Do this if I do get lynched pretty plox.

The point is having people who might actually not suffer from groupthink to comment.

If you are hellbent onbeing the only lynch train, I can comply but others actually might have differing opinions that ought to be respected.
The schedule makes sure we get two informed lynches.

Care to give a last readwaal?

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:15 pm

In post 2699, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2697, Titus wrote:
In post 2694, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2690, Titus wrote:
In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Could have fooled me.

When's the last time you played with town me?

That is relevant how?

You're saying town me does not get wagoned which is utter shit.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:26 pm

Espy have you ever won a game for town and still have town pissed at you? Have you ever repeatedly been ignored and insulted? Told the only way you can be understood is if people are high? Have people threaten to blacklist you and you have no idea what the hell you are even doing to annoy them? Watched town buy obvious bullshit, mislynch you and then mislynch your conftowns? Repeatedly get blamed for any wagon that starts on you? Get called possible scum for being passionate? Get your methods called shit and pure luck despite being right consistently? These are things that happento me routinely. At some point I have to look in the mirror and figure out what I am doing wrong.

I cannot just let people vote my townreads to lynch them but I have to have a new method of things. As scum its fucking easy. Let people eat their own shit arguments. People love you for it. I just tunnel someone and wham good to go. As town, I cannot allow townies to eat their own shit and engage in group think. So I will be damned if you expect the same old Titus. If I am sober, that is not happening.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:27 pm

In post 2705, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2703, Titus wrote:
In post 2699, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2697, Titus wrote:
In post 2694, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2690, Titus wrote:
In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Could have fooled me.

When's the last time you played with town me?

That is relevant how?

You're saying town me does not get wagoned which is utter shit.

I'm saying town you getting lynched for coasting is bogus because you don't get lynched as scum for coasting so why would it happen when you're town?

Because I am the mislynch du jour. I don't fucking now.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:28 pm

In post 2704, Espeonage wrote:Ok assuming that we lynch to timeline. What do you even think is going to change for the second lynch. More apathy. That is all you're going to get. Tbh I think this is one of those situations where the forced compromise lynch at deadline is going to create much more useful information than anything else.

If you think that you are going to get a thought out second lynch for today then you are on some pretty hard stuff. $10 says if I get lynched quickly here that one of the flops on to me will get lynched and there are too many of thse for them all to be scum so the logic is flawed to begin with.

We have a flip. That's what changes. We can look at the wagon which is more my field than hug it out shit.

#drunk Titus

Oh my team will have my head for this but I do not care.

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:33 pm

Let's say arguendo that you and singer are the lynches

Town and town - Look for scum in leadership and try a wagon that did not get traction.
E town and s scum - Who wanted Espy but not singer?
E scum and s town - Scum tried to influence but lacked it
Scum scum - Lurkers/Total no influence

Titus · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:34 pm

Good night.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:45 am

In post 2719, Gammagooey wrote:
In post 2691, Titus wrote:Two days until lynch 1 deadline. If you're going to make a push on singer now is the time Gamma. I would prefer a singer lynch atm.

what do you think I'm doing? I just made literally the biggest post I've made all game about why I think singer is scum.

Esp can you give a few more reads? cheet & shadow & CDB are all people I'd like to hear more opinions about.

You had a fight with singer which is great attempt at showing it but I am thinking more bulletpoints. Short and simple. I will add mine. Mastina can add hers. Big walls can get lost to some and quickly labeled T v T just for being walls.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:06 am

Umm you'd be dead?

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:11 am

Ohh, so basically if I am wrong, you would pay the other case no heed. Decent hypothesis. And if you're wrong? What then?

To me, Mastina makes a better case than you. You will probably get an Espy lynch but I am concerned given Gamma's balls to the walls effort that he got virtually no additional sheepage. He gets sheepage. Maybe it's a team mafia thing.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:24 am

In post 2726, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2725, Titus wrote:Ohh, so basically if I am wrong, you would pay the other case no heed. Decent hypothesis. And if you're wrong? What then?

To me, Mastina makes a better case than you. You will probably get an Espy lynch but I am concerned given Gamma's balls to the walls effort that he got virtually no additional sheepage. He gets sheepage. Maybe it's a team mafia thing.

We have completely opposite objectives about day 1. If I'm wrong, I'll course-adjust.

I don't think you will.

Also, I'm pretty squicked by how your playstyle has surface-changed without apparent impact on the underlying basis of your play. I don't think it can be totally chalked up to team mafia.

For example, you've tried to woo my cooperation in day 1.75 while working against me while avoiding direct conflict most of the game so far.

The last paragraph is accurate. My team has told me that getting into conflict is detrimental to the health of games. I've been working against you? How? I had my vote on Espy for quite awhile until Singer became unbearable. Did I ever push for Espy as town? No. I want everyone's opinion's on the table.

I don't get the first paragraph. Also I was pretty scnokered last night when I came home after games with llama and tool.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:25 am

That's fluff not marble.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:50 am

I am out for the day most likely. DnD.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:40 pm

Welcome Formerfish.

Mastina's no longer pushing Singer but FF with a long as fuck Day 1 and FF inherits a townread from me. FFery wants AD which has been a pretty consistent scumread.

Espy wagon falls apart.

I hate singer on AD wagon.
Espy's a survival vote.
TSO and UT are end the day votes.
Cheetory I feel good about despite his issues with me . FF and DV are likely town.

Looking at Espy wagon. The best townie thing about that is GiF.

Singer's not happening as much as it should.

VOTE: ActionDan

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:55 pm

*pulls hair out*

Ok, Mastina, you are literally asking me to tunnel on a lesser deadline with a day 1 that has gone on far too long to impose my will onto the group to fight a wagon I feel is largely towndriven to push what I want. That sounds like the exact shit that got me to universally hated as town.

You get the votes, I am there. No questions asked.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:13 pm

In post 2832, mastin2 wrote:For what it's worth, pie similarly to me likes how Dan's reacting to his wagon and thinks it's town.

Why?

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:28 pm

VOTE: Singersinger

Can Mastina pick one of the lynches and FFery pick the other as long as you don't pick in each other's townblocks? Conftown gets a lynch, my best townread gets a lynch. We all are happy and we get town cohesion.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 2839, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm going to be self-centered and say that it's entirely my fault that mastin is being overconfident about her reads because I said I wanted to sheep her after DoA.
Shit.

So why don't you?

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:33 pm

In post 2844, Cheetory6 wrote:So why don't I what? Sheep mastin?

Titus wrote:I don't really think singer is scum

Where the fuck did I say that? Certainly not any recent posting or it was a typo.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:36 pm

Cheetory, let me show you the posts in a nut shell why I think singer is scum.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:39 pm

In post 2261, singersigner wrote:The way I see it, no one is working together right now, no one is compromising, people are melting into the night, not being held accountable, and being stubborn about who they want lynched when, based on the fact that after 80 pages we still have 6-7 different people being voted. Your appeal to someone who can't even vote is lofty at best.

How can I flail when I'm discussing the motivations of someone who isn't even voting me? I'm in no danger of getting lynched. I'm not shouting at you. I'm not marginalizing you. I'm simply pointing out where I saw the flaw in your plan and asking you to acknowledge it.

In post 2267, Titus wrote:@Singer, That post makes no sense.

You complain no one is working together, yet you are complaining about me working with conftown.
You complain no one is compromising, while ignoring the fact I have been voting with my townreads.
You complain people are melting into the night, yet you don't explain what this means or who is doing it.
You complain no one is being stubborn while at the same time complaining no one is working together.
You complain about working with conftown because she cannot vote, as if that's a good reason not to.
You complain about no one pushing their targets while nitpicking me (who you won't lynch today) and not posting about Shadoweh.

You can flail because you don't feel you have a voice. That's exactly what this feels like. Oh and for good measure, I only have one vote and FFery does not want you lynched and Espy is the larger wagon.

This right here is it. Simply she's whining and bitching with no comprenisble train of thought and pushing wagons with zero shot of being lynched.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:49 pm

In post 2856, Untrod Tripod wrote:my kingdom for a dayvig....

I'd shoot mastin tho

Fuck no. That's a terrible vig shot.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:01 pm

In post 2862, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 2860, Titus wrote:
In post 2856, Untrod Tripod wrote:my kingdom for a dayvig....

I'd shoot mastin tho

Fuck no. That's a terrible vig shot.

you're really undervaluing the benefits of not having to read mastin's posts

I love Mastina's posting. She's blunt, direct and transparent usually. So it's a punishment to not read them.

Titus · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:03 pm

Umm Ffery it's about one day until the deadline for first lynch you wanted...so I don't think she can...

@UT, Not reaaly. Logic walls I love.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:43 am

In post 2885, Oversoul wrote:I kinda hate all 3 major wagons, but we get a second lynch today... hmmm decisions

If you hate all three wagons, go for whichever one you think has the least scum.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:45 am

I think there's maybe one scum on Singer (UT), possible up to three on AD given the speed of his wagon and scum possibly capitalizing on quicklynch desires and a couple possible on Espy...(yes I know that's too many scum).

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:11 am

In post 2888, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 2886, Titus wrote:
In post 2885, Oversoul wrote:I kinda hate all 3 major wagons, but we get a second lynch today... hmmm decisions

If you hate all three wagons, go for whichever one you think has the least scum.

bussing is a thing

Titus wrote:I think there's maybe one scum on Singer (UT), possible up to three on AD given the speed of his wagon and scum possibly capitalizing on quicklynch desires and a couple possible on Espy...(yes I know that's too many scum).
you can't possibly know this kind of thing right now. this is bullshit disguised as analysis.

There's a difference between thinking and knowing. I can feel a wagon has a lot of town composition without knowing everything. If you took all of mygut feels, there's five scum. Since only four, obviously I am not purporting to know anything. You know I look at votes and say what I think on wagons. I have always said VCA is fallible without a scumflip. Why are you trying to make me sound more confident than I am?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:36 am

What the fuck? How do you call talking in circles, pyshing lynches that will never go throufh and throwing shade on people you aren't trying to get lynched "halfbaked reasons"? Also what makes you think I am not pushing Singer scum?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:38 am

In post 2896, Cheetory6 wrote:I seriously don't get why people are townreading Titus atm.
I'm super fucking wary of just about everything she's done lately and her stance on baneing Bulba is scummy as heck and I'm honestly really annoyed people have been ignoring that -.-

Really, so you are complaining that I didn't devolve the game to have my way? No. If we wanted a boon, which everyone agreed to, we had to have a bane. Bulba was a universal scumread. Figuring out if I am right or you all were is pretty protown. I have a hard time believing you would have stalled the game Cheetory. Those were the options.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:39 am

In post 2898, Cheetory6 wrote:Sorry if I call them halfbaked after I respond to them and you ignore my response.
Golly.

Gee what did I ignore?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:47 am

Cheetory, I have said my reasons like 500 fucking times. I have gotten to the point where I am quoting myself. The fact you think I am not defending my positions is ridiculous. I am trying not to devolve this into a screaming match but you are intent on stating things that are outright false.

You are right. I did want recognition if Bulba is tiwn or a reset if Bulba is scum. It fucking moves the game forward. You bet your ass ego and being right are important to me. I want to be proven right that my reads are good as town. So yeah I wanted fucking towncred but moreso I wanted credit for being right. Plus if I was wrong, I would be fucking proven so. That also is important because then I could figure out who to fucking sherp. This situation is literally the worst because I have two fucking townreads wanting two separate wagons and I don't know who to follow. I want to figure out who to work with.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:51 am

In post 2902, Cheetory6 wrote:
Cheetory6 wrote:Why is whining and bitching scummy?
I honestly am inclined to agree with her that fleshing out reads with ffery is good, but your hydra/mechanics talk with her felt unnecessary.
I can see her POV on the lack of cohesion in the game given that AD is the first wagon that's happened since TTH which died off almost instantly because everyone was super fucking scared of it growing too fast.
I don't see anything in her ISO as 'flailing' as you've termed it.
I don't get this case at all. I get why people find singer scummy. I don't get why people found Empire scummy beyond his interactions with Tammy occasionally being a little dumb at times. I just really don't get it. Because I read a lot of how Empire was playing as being townish.
I also think it would be ridiculous just how much their team has had a stake in this game like. Their team is so open about their reads and stances and they're consistent in a way that just doesn't make any sense to me as coming from scum.
This isn't like a hard townread for me, but like I don't think it's particularly likely that singer is going to flip scum.

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Whining and bitching about two opposites is scummy. Complsining about people working together AND complaining about stubborn heads refusing to work together is scummy.

If you don't see Singer complaining about lynches that will never fucking happen and pushing people she doesn't want to lynch as flailing, then we define the term differently.

The rest of this is read disagreement.

I literally have said all this before.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:53 am

In post 2907, Cheetory6 wrote:And how do you not know who to follow? You think singer is scum and you think mastin is town and you're voting for singer. How is there any internal struggle?
I am pfffting so hard right now.

Ffery is confirmed town but pushing a weaker scumread (AD). Mastina is very town but pushing a higher read. There is always conflict in that situation because town does not mean right.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:54 am

In post 2906, Cheetory6 wrote:If you're town, then actually engage me instead of copping out with this bullshit of "oh man I am trying not to argue with anyone this game" because it looks so fake to me.

What do you think I am doing? Posting cat pictures?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:59 am

@FFery, So your read is based on what Empire did? Well that post leads me to a couple questions. First, if they know each other well enough to skype chat, wouldn't they know each ither well enoigh to fake each other's reads?

Why is the Mastina read unnecessary antagonism? A lot of people feel that Mastina's walls are unbearable?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:08 am

Sorry, I thought that was referring to Singer's complaing. Hence why the second sentence about Singer. I didn't seriously think you were scumreading me for trying to be a better town.

No I am not going to policy lynch TTH for not pushing a main wagon. Stop cherrypicking. It's the complaining, being nonsensical ABD pushing sudewagons that makes singer scummy.

You are doing the equivalent of Titus says she wants a BMW because great wheels, power steering and safety. Gee will you want a motorbike next? They both have wherls?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:12 am

In post 2916, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2913, Titus wrote:@FFery, So your read is based on what Empire did? Well that post leads me to a couple questions. First, if they know each other well enough to skype chat, wouldn't they know each ither well enoigh to fake each other's reads?

The DV read involved a real-life convo with DV. At least one other player who was at that meet-up is in this game - espeonage. The inclusion of that comment means it really happened and RegFan really brought it up in a discussion.

Why is the Mastina read unnecessary antagonism? A lot of people feel that Mastina's walls are unbearable?

he singled it out as the sole comment about mastin in his massive reads list. That's unnecessary antagonism.

You played with scum-empire in the ASOIAF game. That was another game where his scum-consultant style of play came out at times. look over some of his reads lists in that game and see what you think.

I have quoted a meet before as a fakeclaim in Sabotage in case I got tracked to obvious town. It failed though. So a conversation IRL from a meet carries little weight. Sangres should remember.

If you can't come up with something antagonize...

Wait Empire was scum there? I remember me Ceph and lurking AB.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:13 am

In post 2918, Cheetory6 wrote:Nice to know you can respond to a point that I admit is unfair but not the one that isn't.

I responded to both your points. Seriously dude, chill.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:15 am

Umm duh? I am going to look at that game again.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:21 am

How am I moving the goalposts?

I was literally going back to find who was Empire. I don' t want to pick sides, I want to work with both of you. That's why I want you two just to pick a lynch each,then I do not have to choose.

Also, appealing to authority is literally the least persuasive argument to me. Yes you're strong. I respect you but that says nothing about your reads this time. Every slot here is strong.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:23 am

Mastina's strengths match up with mine.

For someone great at reading behavior, what made you think threats and bullying were more likely to get me to follow you?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:40 am

That's not moving the goalpost Ffery.

My understanding was that you implicitly argued that Empire did not twist or use a rl convo to get ahead. It's not enough that an RL convo exists to make a readwall not come from scum but something incapable of being ysed by scum. I was saying tour argument had a fallacy because scum can use rl discussions just as much as town.

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You have gotten me fleshing out arguments, trying to improve my game, giving you the best platform to do what it is you do. You know as well as I do that I do not sheep lightly. If I am picking between two townreads, why shouldn't I pick the one I agree with? The one that has actually tried to include me in discussions despite disagreeing with me? The one that doesn't berate me? Mastina makes me feel good about following her. You make me feel as if I would be checking a box on my tax forms that hurts.

There's a difference between working with people and being a proxy doormat. Maybe I am not great at working with two townreads at the same time. But hell atleast try to work with me rather than expecting unwaivering obdience. That never comes ftom me.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:42 am

I am sorry you are furious. I hope you at least postgame see I was trying.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:53 am

It has never failed? Ever?

Well...that is actually helpful that is has never failed. It's one thing to say you're strong in something. It's quite another to do something

without fail

.

VOTE: Unvote

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:54 am

I don't think your argument is even valid as stealing from other player's scumgames is goid but I am not going to argue with failproof. At least not now.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:55 am

The whole it never fails is the exact thing why I never wanted to lynch Egg in Uncouth. Yes you thought my reasons for the VCA was shit but I was right. I owe you the same courtesy.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:58 am

Really UT, you want to lynch Singer after that? Confirmed town pushing something that never fails and you want to go against it...why? That seems fucking shitty. I think there's something else underneath that Ffery finds in Empire and then tailors it but a 100% accuracy rate should not be fought against.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:01 am

FFery, do you still think AD's post was town? Should we lynch Espy? Where are you atm?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:07 am

Oversoul, what are your thoughts on Bulba, TTH and Mastina?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:21 am

Waiting on Ffery's response GiF.

GiF we finished Uncouth mafia where I was yelling about how my vca never failed when finding conftown given certain facts. Ffery is saying hers, never fails. Rather than arguing, best to not vote HER conftown. The never fails is important. Otherwise I just have two confident dueling townreads.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:30 am

In post 2943, Untrod Tripod wrote:never fails only means hasn't failed yet

this is a behavioral game, for fuck's sake

This is an informational game. Behavior is just one subset.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:31 am

Do you have any evidence that Empire fooled FFery here? No. Then shut up. We are not lynching Singer.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:30 am

VOTE: ActionDan

Ffery, I don't give a shit about group think. I give a shit about you never failing to read Empire and not treating you the way I felt in Uncouth.

I am glad you are trying to reach out to Mastina though.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:01 pm

Ok, we're fucking the whole deadline thing. Ffery hasn't said it, but logically implied such. If she needs a day and a half to do what she wants, that's not fitting into this time.

VOTE: unvote

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:14 pm

VOTE: Espeonage

Can we swing this FFery?

@FFery, regarding 2973, if TTH doesn't confirm themselves as town, what's your position on them? I think this is an exercise in futility given my townread on them, but you won't be around to ask if I am wrong tomorrow.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:14 pm

In post 2983, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2979, singersigner wrote:What do you mean what happened to our Shadoweh read? We...still have it?

As in why is it so terrible?

We've made pretty good progress. We're pretty sure we want to see the color of TSO's card flip.

So you want to lynch TSO now?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:15 pm

**To be clear, what's your position on them means how far would you want me to go in pushing them, hypothetically?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:25 pm

FFery, if you're not going to be forthcoming, then you're going to make it harder to follow you. Just be patient with me please.

VOTE: unvote

Is there any chance you and Mastina can agree on a lynch candidate?

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:57 pm

In post 2992, Shadoweh wrote:Re: TTH, I figured out what her role probably is. Please stop having this discussion. It's not going to be vig, unless you really think TTH was planning to fakeclaim killing a town Deasvail and then coming in tomorrow holding up his townie corpse with a happy face.

ROTFL...

This made me laugh.

Titus · Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:00 pm

In post 2994, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2990, Titus wrote:FFery, if you're not going to be forthcoming, then you're going to make it harder to follow you. Just be patient with me please.

VOTE: unvote

Is there any chance you and Mastina can agree on a lynch candidate?

I think we will agree on a lynch candidate with Mastin.

And I think we'll be very forthcoming, transparently so, very soon. probably tomorrow.

Please do. If you agree, I'll vote them. No more tension of which townread to sheep, unless you pick GiF or the townblock (but Mastina would never agree to that anyway).

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:58 am

Mastina, can you link me to Tales since it fuels your scumread? I highly disagree there. I tend to only recall games I have been in. This doesn't look like GundamSeed DeasVail though.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:00 am

In post 3006, DeasVail wrote:Ok, I've read up and really I just want a lynch. I still want to vote for AD because I can't think of anyone better to vote for and I don't want to be scrabbling around trying to find a lynch and have it end up being I'd much rather not lynch such as Singer/Espe. I also still don't really see much that's town about him, though I guess my hurried catch-up could have something to do with that and I'll look again. In any case, I wouldn't mind if, you know, we could get that wagon fired up again. I'm really sorry about my lack of involvement lately and I think I'll sort the reads out that I've been putting off after the first lynch (though at the rate things are going it may very well be before).

Ffery, if I could have Nacho's read progression on AD that would be pretty cool, but I understand you guys are busy and so please make this low priority if anything at all.

Why are you asking FFery to do something and then saying it doesn't matter if she does it?

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:12 am

In post 3007, singersigner wrote:
In post 3002, mastin2 wrote:
In post 2976, fferyllt wrote:
Regfan

You are breaking our hearts with this tammy fixation.
Not sure whether it'll make the heartbreak better or worse, but it'll be different when you see that he wasn't doing it with a town mindset! (Regfan is singer's team, no?)

If you're scum I'll understand (hint: we think you're pretty scum!)

If you're town, it's gunna give me such sweet satisfaction to prove how wrong you are.

Either way, I call it a win.

Mastina is not scum. Why does everyone who doubts you wind up in your scumlist?

If you are town and lynched, how can you consider that a win? Doubly so with a team backing you?

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:48 am

Ffery and Mastina agree on TSO.

VOTE: TSO

Seriously, this should take off.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:52 am

AD, Vote TSO with me.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:56 am

^^ Totally wrong account.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:36 am

Mastina, can you compare Gundam Seed as well? That's my basis for the townread on DV. She doesn't look the same here.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:47 pm

In post 3053, mastin2 wrote:Not really. I wasn't in Gundam Seed that long if you recall. *grumble, grumble, gripe, gripe, scum dayvig is a horrible role*

(Incidentally, a common trend between Tales and Gundam is that I had excellent reads in both. )

I totally subbed into that dayvig slot back when I actually cared to read on subbing in.

I'm looking at Tales now.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:26 pm

In post 3086, fferyllt wrote:I haven't checked your prior games. how much have you played with her?

Not much at all, but he's modding an ongoing I'm in. So I'm a little reluctant to engage the TSO/Titus theory until that game ends. It likely does center on the bad assumption I am scum though. This does flow logically as I think Cheetory realizes this. I can see the gears turning there.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:30 pm

In post 3091, Cheetory6 wrote:I watched Survivor and vaguely followed Pastry game after I replaced out.

God, another ongoing... seriously Cheetory. :S

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:32 pm

Oh no wait, BBP just ended today.

That game was a train wreck.

We had an unkillable, unblockable, serial killer with a track who got a guilty on Reck N1 for making me the ideal first flip. Literally, that role was broken as fuck. I was just basically trying to keep my head down in that game and not piss anyone off. There was mathmatically no way for mafia to win that though.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:43 pm

FFery,

Do you look at what's possible and work backwards or do you look at what's likely and make assumptions based off that?

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:48 pm

In post 3099, Cheetory6 wrote:
Titus wrote:It likely does center on the bad assumption I am scum though.
*twitch*

P-Edit: But are you not at all worried that she might be tryhardscum going hardcore for breaking her usual scum-meta tells/avoiding her typical stubborn towntells to avoid getting lynched? Because I really really really get the impression that the lack of argumentativeness is coming from a place of "I want to see active but I don't want to piss anyone off and get lynched" rather than what she's pushing as "I want to work with people".

So I get into a bitch fight with you, disagree with Mastina's reads, fight with Espeonage, anger FFery to the point where she's yelling at me, because... I don't want to piss anyone off. Back up.

I am a try hard as any alignment. So you do get points there.

I do want to piss people off less and actually be great town and solve the game. I'm actually failing miserably and my team has told me that in no uncertain terms.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:49 pm

In post 3100, Cheetory6 wrote:Like, I'll trust you if you disagree with what I'm worried about here and focus on other things, but I'm having a hard time getting past this nasty gut feeling that Titus is not playing on the level and I don't really have anyone to talk with about it because my team isn't read this game at all anymore q.q

When the game you're modding ends, I'll walk you through the difference between my scum game and town game using examples you'll be familiar with.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:55 pm

Yes. I already mentioned waaaay back in minor day 1 that I was going to try to hold fast to my opinions but move the game forward. Baning Bulba does that. I get the fact I lost the argument on Bulba being town at that point. We needed a Bane to get a boon. Bulba was the only bane getting through.

It would have been fucking easy to say, gee I'm stubborn and just let us bicker and chase our tails and not get a bane or a boon.

That's not happening.

You've stated that. You're also stating things that are off from my town game, but the game you've referenced, I was confirmed scum (your game and Butcher).

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:56 pm

In post 3104, fferyllt wrote:
In post 3097, Titus wrote:FFery,

Do you look at what's possible and work backwards or do you look at what's likely and make assumptions based off that?

I have a wiki page about how I approach scumhunting/townhunting.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... TermsOfArt

The short answer is this:

alignment + role + long term goals (not tied to one game) --> motivation --> in-thread behavior

What I see is the behavior. It's a reverse engineering task to get from there to alignment.

there are other aspects of the game - the setup, the way wagons form and fade, mod meta, player meta, and how real life is impacting their play, etc. For me, though, the meat and potatoes of the game are summed up by that algorithm.

You see, I approach the game exactly backwards.

Find the box of what is possible first using the setup, votes etc. Then I look at role consistency. Then I look at motivation. Then I look at behavior (which meta is a part).

That deduction is how I work.

That deduction is also how you detect my alignment.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:02 pm

In post 3110, Cheetory6 wrote:Game I'm referencing here is Survivor.
I don't believe your stance on not defending Bulba against the bane. I really don't.
Like, the level of commitment you had to "I don't think we should bane" vs "I don't think we should bane my main townread" is just not on the same level and it just doesn't jive to me.
And nothing you've done in the last two hundred posts really pinged me as being all that town.

Yeah, and during survivor I also had uncouth. I had a lot of yelling and a lot of getting ignored. A lot of not getting my scumreads lynched and having to fight tooth and nail to save my townreads. Rather than turning Bulba into a mini Egg situation, I said fuck it Bane him. I lost the argument on a Bane, at least I can get shown right that Bulba's town.

Don't you find it funny that there hasn't been much of any push on Bulba after he was baned? Everyone was saying Bulba was scum, but now that he's baned, literally no one's pushing Bulba scum. It's not like his play's changed at all..

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 3114, fferyllt wrote:
Titus wrote:
In post 3104, fferyllt wrote:
In post 3097, Titus wrote:FFery,

Do you look at what's possible and work backwards or do you look at what's likely and make assumptions based off that?

I have a wiki page about how I approach scumhunting/townhunting.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... TermsOfArt

The short answer is this:

alignment + role + long term goals (not tied to one game) --> motivation --> in-thread behavior

What I see is the behavior. It's a reverse engineering task to get from there to alignment.

there are other aspects of the game - the setup, the way wagons form and fade, mod meta, player meta, and how real life is impacting their play, etc. For me, though, the meat and potatoes of the game are summed up by that algorithm.

You see, I approach the game exactly backwards.

Find the box of what is possible first using the setup, votes etc. Then I look at role consistency. Then I look at motivation. Then I look at behavior (which meta is a part).

That deduction is how I work.

That deduction is also how you detect my alignment.

none of that stuff exists in useful quantity until late game. I die night 1 or 2 with distressing frequency. hence my approach - try to maximize my usefulness in the early game.

I agree. That's why I suck at the early game and I'm trying to work on it and defer in the early game.

My behavior based reads, let's just say it, suck.

Invariably, I can narrow scum to a pool in my VCA and I always pick wrong. Survivor, didn't pick DGB as scum. Uncouth, picked AP over UT as scum. It happens.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:06 pm

In post 3118, fferyllt wrote:
In post 3115, Titus wrote:
In post 3110, Cheetory6 wrote:Game I'm referencing here is Survivor.
I don't believe your stance on not defending Bulba against the bane. I really don't.
Like, the level of commitment you had to "I don't think we should bane" vs "I don't think we should bane my main townread" is just not on the same level and it just doesn't jive to me.
And nothing you've done in the last two hundred posts really pinged me as being all that town.

Yeah, and during survivor I also had uncouth. I had a lot of yelling and a lot of getting ignored. A lot of not getting my scumreads lynched and having to fight tooth and nail to save my townreads. Rather than turning Bulba into a mini Egg situation, I said fuck it Bane him. I lost the argument on a Bane, at least I can get shown right that Bulba's town.

Don't you find it funny that there hasn't been much of any push on Bulba after he was baned? Everyone was saying Bulba was scum, but now that he's baned, literally no one's pushing Bulba scum. It's not like his play's changed at all..

And your approach in that game was a big part of why you alienated players (like me) who otherwise would have worked more with you.

And let's not forget your efforts to get AP lynched and to save scum-Brantz.

Your chosen path wasn't the only way to win that game, and I'd argue it wouldn't have come to lylo if you'd listened to me about AP.

Maybe. I did. I was wrong. I haven't quite figured out the right approach, but I've enlisted my team to watch for the emotional tells daily and try to tell me when I'm messing up.

Occasionally, I pick something up, but I don't work on that wavelength.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:10 pm

In post 3119, Untrod Tripod wrote:holy shit they're still posting

Yes. I'm actually learning something from this. So please don't scold me for that.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:12 pm

Well, good luck on your exam. I'll be here when you're ready to talk. Obviously, that's not now.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:48 pm

@Singer, supposing that's true, that's not true for a majority of the people pushing Bulba scum. The pattern has changed.

Also, yes, you're not likely to get the meta references. Sorry about that, but it's simpler to refer to games rather than fall prey to the "As you know" trope.

@All, let's get this TSO lynch done. We can have two lynches today, but we have to get one done first.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:53 pm

In post 3127, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 3122, Cheetory6 wrote:UT is being dum about people posting in a game of mafia
it's been 126 goddamn pages with NOTHING gained

it passed the point of mental masturbation like 50 pages ago

But mental masturbation is the best kind...

inb4 can't tell if serious

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:10 pm

Dude, you didn't meet me when I was in NC. Spiderwoman is actually pretty close to my build.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:57 pm

In post 3132, Untrod Tripod wrote:when were you in NC??????

A few months ago I swung by the commune for a day or two because of wedding I was attending. It was cheaper to drive out to the commune than fly back sooner. Twas fun.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:58 pm

I've actually played more f2f games with Singer than mafia games which is interesting because mafia games in face to face I suck at as it's all emotion and reading people.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:01 pm

In post 3139, singersigner wrote:
In post 3136, Titus wrote:
In post 3132, Untrod Tripod wrote:when were you in NC??????

A few months ago I swung by the commune for a day or two because of wedding I was attending. It was cheaper to drive out to the commune than fly back sooner. Twas fun.

Yeah! It was around Memorial Day or something. I think that was the first time we met Antihero and we haven't seen him since???

We tried playing True American but it got a little dark and less fun for the people not drinking, but we'll have to do a redo if/whenever you make it out again.

Definitely. If you are on the west coast, swing by my place too.

But seriously, we should stop this. It's spammy.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:14 pm

In post 3143, singersigner wrote:
In post 3137, Titus wrote:I've actually played more f2f games with Singer than mafia games which is interesting because mafia games in face to face I suck at as it's all emotion and reading people.

That's kind of funny because I feel like I'm the exact opposite. I'm much better at f2f because I think people can be more calculated as either alignment on the forum and I'm pretty terrible at trusting my reads even when they're right. You seem to be fairly emotionally engaged on the forum, though, so what makes the difference for you?

Preview Edit...
You call it spammy when I responded once about it...

Also, there are still three votes to lynch and several people haven't even commented on the wagon. We need to do it pretty soon if we want to take advantage of the second lynch...

There's a difference between emotional engagement and reading people well. I'm always emotionally engaged when I play. I usually do better when I can compartmentalize and look at just the facts. In f2f mafia, you have body language to determine who is town or scum but there are a few things that translate well. For instance, one player on the forums (name withheld obvious reasons) tends to be quiet as scum online and in face to face. Usually, there is no such transfer and face to face.

Because people are more calculating, forum mafia is easier for me as I respond to mental chess matches better if they are logical ones. You can't exactly do a VCA in a face to face game.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:10 pm

In post 3149, Shadoweh wrote:This is just another random lynch that won't give much info if it's town. :/ TSO was v/la for a week, it's not weird that he dropped off, and I thought he was active and townie when he was posting. However since this seems to be Dan vs TSO I would rather vote TSO. I do not condone this. >:| He had best claim, we were suposed to have lynched by now. Setting the deadline later was stupid, we'd already had Fake Day 1 and we should have known we have special procrastination powers. I wish I had considered that sooner. At least we're learning when this presumably happens again tomorrow.

There's a reason I wanted deadline at mid point. *shrug* Longer day 1 worked better for confirmed town though and she's only got one day to do her thing. I can adapt to that for one day.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:11 pm

Oh you need to vote Shadoweh.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:20 pm

@Oversoul, I get your pressuring Singer. I like it but now's not the time. We need to get a lynch now. That wagon is rejected by Ffery, so it's not going to happen lynch 1 and not likely at all today.

Please vote TSO or explain why you are not.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:27 pm

In post 3155, singersigner wrote:
In post 3153, Titus wrote:@Oversoul, I get your pressuring Singer. I like it but now's not the time. We need to get a lynch now. That wagon is rejected by Ffery, so it's not going to happen lynch 1 and not likely at all today.

Please vote TSO or explain why you are not.

Ok, did you even read his post? How did you get pressure out of that??

How could you not? Oversoul's basically criticizing your lack of red of Gamma.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:54 pm

@Shadoweh, Why the reluctance to put TSO at L-1 when you think a lynch is overdue?

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:57 pm

In post 3157, Formerfish wrote:Finace was in the emergency room tonight. I did not have time to do anything.

That's unfortunate. I hope she or he feels better soon.

Titus · Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:58 pm

L-1 is not a hammer...

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:09 am

We are the fourth largest day 1 ever.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:56 am

VOTE: Vezok

TSO was willing to make sure no PR got the boon to stop Vezok from getting it. I want to know why.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:05 am

I don't get why TSO had such a resistance against Vezok getting it. If TSO got the boon, no PR could get it. I don't get why TSO thought Vezok getting it was horrible.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:09 am

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:19 am

In post 3210, ChannelDelibird wrote:
In post 3204, Titus wrote:I don't get why TSO had such a resistance against Vezok getting it. If TSO got the boon, no PR could get it. I don't get why TSO thought Vezok getting it was horrible.

You're right. Maybe we should lynch TSO

Really being a smart ass is not helpful.

What's so retarded about saying gee someone flipped town and had a really strong scumread and taking another look?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:22 am

I don't know he is. I am wanting to get some pressure on him and re-evaluate. Someone feeling that strongly should be looked at. It's the exact thing I'd want in his place.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:24 am

**Someone feeling that strongly, meaning that if I had a scumread I was willing to be anti-town as fuck to push, I'd hope y'all would look at them with fresh eyes.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:45 am

@Singer, Yes, doubly so given FFery thinks your town if it was that early.

Oh and I did follow up with Shadoweh not voting TSO.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:50 am

Ok, do you people want me to be ultra stubborn and never reconsider, or find it weird when I do?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:59 am

VOTE: unvote

I don't have anything yet and pressure voting isn't going to get anywhere given the reaction I just got. I'll go take a look with my team. There's a maxim, treat others the way you'd want to be. I've had pushes (InuYasha) that others thought were terrible and I would have loved for someone to just take a chance on rereading. Apparently I did it wrong.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:25 am

Why Aronis?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:26 am

*shrug* I give up.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:32 am

*holds back rant*

We are not lynching Mastina.

@CDB, yeah it's in her ISO. Cntrl + F plus Shadoweh scum should find it. She has a case on TTH and Shadoweh in the same post.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:08 am

@TTH, I love the push on Singer. The only part of the townblock that seems to be dysfunctional is you. Bulba, Mastina and I seem to be working together quite well. You're included because the wagon on you was shit and we all know that. Mastina's actions don't seem to work a scum agenda at all to me. Yeah, I know behavior blah blah blah. Not my strong suit. Yet, Mastina and I both operate on logic much more so than emotion. So the fact I'm syncing up with her is something I like, a lot.

Well I should highlight I am apparently dysfunctional as a default state to some, but coordinating and working together is not something we've really struggled with. We're disagreeing on things and hashing them out.

The only way Mastina could be scum to me is if you made some next level moon logic about Mastina being able to mirror my reads, fake a townblock so I would love her, and somehow fit that to a scum agenda. I don't think I need that level of manipulation to be fooled in the early game. The efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

So yeah, I'm not seeing Mastina as scum here.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:12 am

In post 3237, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 3236, Titus wrote:I love the push on Singer. The only part of the townblock that seems to be dysfunctional is you. Bulba, Mastina and I seem to be working together quite well. You're included because the wagon on you was shit and we all know that.

So that's how we ended up on a TSO lynch?

Give me a break.

We ended because that's where Ffery and Mastina could agree. They couldn't agree on anyone, and no one was getting lynched. Ffery made a big deal about Singer being town. Everyone knew she wasn't getting Singer. I also pleaded with Mastina to actually work with Ffery.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:31 am

In post 3239, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 3236, Titus wrote:The only way Mastina could be scum to me is if you made some next level moon logic about Mastina being able to mirror my reads, fake a townblock so I would love her, and somehow fit that to a scum agenda.

As opposed to TSO's vezok read being particularly sheepable because...

It was meant to be investigating. I got one hell of a reaction, I can say that.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:40 am

In post 3247, TellTaleHeart wrote:vezok hasn't posted once. >_>

Sometimes reactions from others tell one hell of a picture. A lot of people complaining I don't listen to others, and then complaining when I do want to investigate something, says that it might not be me investigating but

who

I was investigating.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:36 am

I'll just say TSO was not blade. I detected him. I was trying to pass that message to GiF. *sigh* I'm not sure if it matters right now, but it might later.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:00 am

In post 3256, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3063, T S O wrote:But whatever. I know Nacho is pushing this. It's becoming a sitewide thing where Nacho is fucking lynching me in every game we play and he's always wrong.
This really seems like scumposting.

You know TSO flipped town right??

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:01 am

Mastina, what do you think of TTH pushing on you?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:40 am

@Mastina, what do you think of lynching Aronis? Did you look at Gundam Seed? Does this DV look different to you?

@FFery, I'm little reluctant to go lurker lynch again.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:50 am

@TTH, Do you think there's more?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 3286, singersigner wrote:
In post 3280, Titus wrote:@Mastina, what do you think of lynching Aronis? Did you look at Gundam Seed? Does this DV look different to you?

@FFery, I'm little reluctant to go lurker lynch again.

Did you really just qualify TSO's lynch as a lurker lynch?

Yeah. It wasn't his fault. He v/laed but his lynch had the hall marks. Little recent conflict and just unliked. Aronis doesn't really have much, no one would really defend him (well there's not much defending him). We should be lynching someone who has had some conflict with their slot.

I'd like to see if Ffery and Mastina can agree with someone with a bit more recent conflict. Someone who we can look at their reads and go gee that might be a good or bad idea. Someone we can adjust or refine our reads.

I don't think anyone's doing that based on the TSO flip.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:03 pm

The only reason not to claim signs and detects is it helps scum. TSO is dead so it's not like scum could kill him. If the mods randomly assigned an equal amount to each sign, then knowing TSO's sign is helpful plus that helps me work with a certain townread as long as I don't have to explain my specific crumbs.

Scum killing me makes no sense with you tunnelling me.

So are you ready to sit down and talk Cheetory?

@UT - Based on what policy?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:21 pm

In post 3301, Cheetory6 wrote:Nah I hope scum kills me is what I meant.
I can think of a few reasons why you wouldn't claim a detect as town.

I'll respond to shit if you want to ask me things or address shit I've said before, but I'm really not in the mood to think too hard about engaging you right now and really I shouldn't even be posting right now, but I don't want to sit on no vote when there's only a few days left.

Given Pastry and Dreams are over,I will address you on the point where I felt you were fitting evidence to me being scum. While we were lynching TSO, you were attempting to make sense of a Titus/TSO scumteam. Meanwhile, I was off bussing my buddies in the game you were hosting. Then, I was in Pastry which just ended. I happened to be scum there as well and lost due to an invulnerable tracker. Those games are much different than here but I am concerned you are tunnelling out of fear. Generally trying to fit facts to a theory doesn't go well.

Is there anything else you feel I missed?

Also I was against massclaiming trace or detect but my particular act hurt no one but possibly me.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:22 pm

In post 3307, GuyInFreezer wrote:VOTE: Titus

What the hell?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:25 pm

In post 3309, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 3300, Titus wrote:@UT - Based on what policy?

is that a serious question?

Yes.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:36 pm

Cheetory, I am much more awkward as town than scum. No one understood my DGB read. DGB was indeed scum and I was wrong there.

I couldn't explain my scumread on Espy so it was awkward.

Look at Butcher. He was gambity but smart. He pushed shit and was smart. I told him be more town, I was hoping to see more of Butcher like behavior. I haven't seen it. He has just come on and started fights and also should see this isn't the same Titus. He's jyst been voting popular shit. Town Espy is off the wall much like ika.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:37 pm

Butcher was ongoing at the time ftr.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:41 pm

UT, Mastina's posts are my favorite to read and there is nothing wrong with them fmpov.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:45 pm

Don't you have some sort of read?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:48 pm

Why? I have no idea where you stand on anyone.

Why are you focused just on catching her? This is supposed to be a search for truth.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:11 pm

What are your current reads?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:25 pm

VOTE: Unipod Tripod

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:31 pm

In post 3334, singersigner wrote:Titus, what was the point is telling us what TSO was
not
?

So we can have a database and see what claims are fake or real.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:34 pm

Wow all the people I have had significant conflict are voting me...

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:06 pm

@Shadoweh, thoughts on bulba mastina and tth?

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:12 pm

Look at me, aronis, ut and vezok.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:18 pm

In post 3342, Espeonage wrote:
In post 3319, Titus wrote:Cheetory, I am much more awkward as town than scum. No one understood my DGB read. DGB was indeed scum and I was wrong there.

I couldn't explain my scumread on Espy so it was awkward.

Look at Butcher. He was gambity but smart. He pushed shit and was smart. I told him be more town, I was hoping to see more of Butcher like behavior. I haven't seen it. He has just come on and started fights and also should see this isn't the same Titus. He's jyst been voting popular shit. Town Espy is off the wall much like ika.

I also don't have an Innocent Child to fall back on after pulling stupid gambits.

No but you have a seasoned player base that can read a gambit ex post facto. Hell, one of the best convoluted gambiters is here and before you think I am arrogant, I don't mean me.

Your actions should still be gambity because town shouldn't give two shits about dying.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:21 pm

If we're both alive, give me something. Let me see those wheels turning. My team wants me to give you a chance to avoid tunneling due to opposing playstyles but give me something that looks like town you. I don't see it.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:27 pm

I always see you say off the wall shit I don't understand. Maybe the word gambit is off. That thing you did where Seraphim and I gave bad responses. Trust town to have your back as town. I want to see you think. I am seeing you flail to survive which isn't really giving me an ability to read you.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:31 pm

In post 3350, Formerfish wrote:
In post 3341, Titus wrote:Look at me, aronis, ut and vezok.

Why to each? You voted UT right? Why?

Because we're at this point and all I remember is he's friendly. He couldn't just pop some reads or quote a read post.

Those are the major theoretically possible wagons.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 3351, Shadoweh wrote:Titus, why are you asking me these weird reads questions? You have no intention of voting me and those are all townreads of yours. I think Bulba improved townwise and that he's going to get either clopped or cacked anyways, TTH it'll depend what happens tomorrow but, I don't want to lynch her, and I don't want to talk about mastin. Grey wants to know how she could think all the wagons yesterday are scum though.

Because I want to bring you into the block. I have asked you that to see if that's possible. I really like you and your posting. So yeah..those names are the block.

Mastina had one condition for inclusion. We all townread each other.

Obviously there's an issue with TTH atm but still a PoE town block is a good idea.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:35 pm

In post 3355, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 3353, Titus wrote:He couldn't just pop some reads or quote a read post.

are you serious? ten-ish minutes elapsed between you asking for them and you voting for me

you can't be serious

It does not take 10 minutes to state reads if not doing a full reads list.

You can still answer the question.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:40 pm

Not really. You haven't pushed anything in awhile. I have said I needed more from you.

You can still answer who you're scumreading. It's not a wall question. It's simple.

My scumreads are
My townreads are

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:42 pm

Also if you think that I am PoEing the entire game day 1, that's farcical. PoE townblocks occur over many game days but have their foundations in Day 1. Sure I might be awkward and clumsy but at least I am fucking trying.

Titus · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:50 pm

Wow, a post from Singer I agree with. I am going to bed on that note so I can try to reset on Singer for Ffery.

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:07 am

@TTH, You go from pushing Mastina to expecting him to jump pn your wagon on DV?

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:46 am

In post 3361, Untrod Tripod wrote:anyway, I already gave some, but I'll expand a bit further

Cheet I think is pretty town atm. Gamma seems pretty town. vezok I've been feeling better about lately so we can call him a tentative townread. GiF I was townreading but is sliding. bulba I was feeling weird about but honesty can't remember why. shadoweh seems oily to me but I'm not worried yet.

for scum my pool is singer, titus, mastin, gun to my head mayyyyyyyyyyybe oversoul but that'd take some work

But he'd vote DV.

Someone who Mastina scumreads.

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:53 am

Yeah but that's twice in a few pages UT would vote a scumread of Mastina's (singer and DV). Yet he's scumreading Mastina. DV wasn't even on UT's radar in his last post. UT mentioned most people that were. It looks like UT solely wants to be on the popular side of things. All his reads, have been mentioned by someone else for reasons.

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:01 am

In post 3397, TellTaleHeart wrote:DV's the popular side of things now?

Yeah, look at the posts since the TSO flip and tell me DV is widely townread.

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:06 am

In post 3398, Untrod Tripod wrote:yeah no.

a. I'm not really scumreading DV. I don't really have much of a read on DV and while I'd vote on the wagon if I had to, I was mostly just saying that so TTH would know I'm in support of her
b. I've been super duper fucking clear that I'd vote mastin for policy, not alignment
c. this is pretty sad Titus. Are you so scared of someone pushing back at you that you're resorting to this kind of bullshit? just nightkill me.

A. So you'd vote popular things that you don't even have a scumread on.
b. 3361 says you also scumread Mastina. If you thought you were both town, you shouldn't be down for lynching her. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
c. We're resulting to ad hominem. You can call me crazy now. Illogical. You can do better than suggesting I am afraid because anyone who knows me knows I value myself less than my townreads

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:13 am

@TTH, I do. Name anyone townreading DV but me.

Also, are you implying Aronis is scum who knew TSO was town and therefore whiteknighted?

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:16 am

TTH, I like your case but I do have concerns that Aronis is an easily lynch. Is there foundation for Aronis townreading TSO prior to FFery and Mastina wanting them lynched?

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:21 am

In post 3410, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 3402, Titus wrote:If you thought you were both town, you shouldn't be down for lynching her. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

I'm not sure you know what policy lynch means

We don't policy town. Period.

Mastina's a scumread of your but you hide behind policy.

Titus · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:25 am

Yeah there's no support for a TSO townread in Aronis's ISO. He just says he won't vote TSO after pushing Dan because deadline. Not much difference between Dan and TSO as neither were around (although TSO was vla).

UT defending Aronis makes me feel better about an Aronis wagon.