New York 180 (Endgame)

[Green Crayons]

kitz: goodmornign
ozgin: Cheetory6, kitz, dragon, T S O, ozgin
T S O: Marquis, green crayons [l-2]

9 alive, 5 lynch

(expired on 2015-04-21 21:00:00)

Who isn't voting in this VC?

[Green Crayons]

I count 8, but there's no "not voting" category.

[Green Crayons]

I don't think Marq is lynch worthy based off of yesterday's play.

There's probably a bit of "she and I did the same thing" involved, but her rapid-fire jumping back and forth between TSO-GC-Ozgin looks too un-calculated for scum.

[Green Crayons]

her / him ?

[dragonspawn]

Shinobi didn't vote.

I like good mornings invite. Marquises looked like sheeping.

[dragonspawn]

Unvote rather. I don't think kits and marquis are both scum

[goodmorning]

VOTE: shinobi

and gm we need to touch up on this. I let this read fall to the wayside with the TSO focus, but now that I'm feeling much much much more confident about my old reads around then I'm thinking this and/or kitz could be it.

I don't disagree, but I think there's more evidence for Kitz.

VOTE: shinobi

and gm we need to touch up on this. I let this read fall to the wayside with the TSO focus, but now that I'm feeling much much much more confident about my old reads around then I'm thinking this and/or kitz could be it.

I was the counterwagon to scum you imbecile.

Scum can also be the counterwagon to Scum.

I asked a million fucking times about 3P being something else than SK and all of you said SK is the only acceptable role.
This changes

everything

.

"The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). A second anti-town group can be given a separate Mafia family name, or can be a Werewolf group. There should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions, and no more than one Serial Killer."
-Normal Game

Everyone denied the "Visit Kill Role" suggestion.

OH LOOK A SCUMCLAIM

Also, seriously? I have screamed all this fucking game that Meta is bullshit. You're associating me with Piss out of the blue as an early bus, I counter-logiced it with the circumstance that something's wrong with House and you should look there instead, and now you use House Meta against me? That's some meta bullshit right there.

Nobody's said anything about anyone's meta.

kitz: goodmornign
ozgin: Cheetory6, kitz, dragon, T S O, ozgin
T S O: Marquis, green crayons [l-2]

9 alive, 5 lynch

(expired on 2015-04-21 21:00:00)

Who isn't voting in this VC?

Shinobi.

[Kitz]

OH LOOK A SCUMCLAIM

How is that a scum claim? I think you're just tunneling me at this point.
If this was a scum claim, I'd be all like "Hey fucks, I'm the actual serial killer".

I don't disagree, but I think there's more evidence for Kitz.

Nobody's said anything about anyone's meta.

How about, shut up? Your tunneling is rather blatant and annoying now, with excuses and tunnel-slips everywhere.
If you want to get me, be more constructive and stop contradicting yourself. Here's the 2 most recent examples on meta on House.

I should probably see if House claimed Scum with anyone other than Kitz.

Meta 1. This is Your piece of the meta. Otherwise, you wouldn't see it as a meta thing, it's a House related thing.

house busses his scum buddies like crazy when he is scum. I can see his sarcastic comments being truthful

Meta 2.

[Kitz]

Honestly, if it wasn't for that unvote, I'd tunnel the hell out of you.
If you were scum, that was the most stupid move you could've done.

This troubles me :
If this is the town, unwilling to look at player's claims and just sheep/tunnel, Town will not get anywhere at all.
In that case, I might randomly vote myself and watch scum jump on, because I'm not going to cooperate if half the players are uncooperative and unproductive to the actual game.

[Shinobi]

Kitz, you don't get to complain about being tunneled when you keep voting me for stupid reasons.

"Scumpoints for not voting Ozgin in a scum v scum cross, even though he was the counterwagon to scum the day before."
Fucking seriously.

[Kitz]

You backseat too much, you reserve the votes too much, you have objected the wrong players, you have scumread the wrong players, some of your reasoning didn't make sense at all, your reaction on my poking with you on a stick were a very big blast from you as if you thought I were a cop who found you guilty of scum.

[Shinobi]

Except none of that is true.


What is this nonsense?

[Kitz]

Except none of that is true.


What is this nonsense?

B PLZ

Spoiler:

you reserve the votes too much

Didn't vote at all since this vote, who mind you, were town, and it looked sheepishly.

my first thought was some sort of jailkeep

also this spec is ridiculous

VOTE: elusive

only thing i'm doing today

bye

I was literally about to post the same thing.

VOTE: elusive

Let's get this done.

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you have objected the wrong players

I know. I'm still waiting for Marquis to give his case because I don't like the Ozgin wagon and I'm having trouble finding alternatives.

The Ozgin push reads as a bunch of garbage but so does the TSO push.

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your reaction on my poking with you on a stick were a very big blast from you as if you thought I were a cop who found you guilty of scum.

I've also got a bone to pick with Kitz but I accept the fact that I could be biased in that regard. I don't know where her townread on me from earlier came from and it seems like her scumread is based on me not talking to other people, so I don't really know how that could affect her read.

Shin's scummier too.

And I'm taking kitz off of my townlean list for her #2402.

Lmao no it doesn't. You've been listing me as scummy for stupid bullshit since the start of day 2, and kept putting me as scummier because of imaginary reasons afterwards.

That's when you don't have reason. "Stupid bullshit" is "he's scummier"? Couldn't you have said that? You did not even see the reasons.

I want to kill Kitz.

Kitz is annoying me again.

Poking "Nobody Special", "Shinoby", "T S O" and "Aeronaut".

Literally the worst scumlist of all time.

I found it suspicious that Kitz kept coming up with 50 billion excuses to scumread me which gets tiring after a while. I have issues sorting newer players attacking me sometimes since it's hard for me to tell if them being wrong is a matter of newness or scumness.

So if we don't lynch either of those two players, who do we lynch?

I propose Kitz. It will be fun, if nothing else.

(I'm aware that feels don't make someone town but, with Kitz' life on the line, why not take a chance?)

I'd be pressing the issue harder if I didn't have the opportunity to get people to lynch Kitz.

I've also explained that killing Kitz would be grand because she keeps calling me mafia for little to nothing, and it seems like she keeps coming up with excuses to scumread me. She's been on about lynching me since day 1 and hasn't really ever gotten to it nor has she had any interest in questioning me.

And it suddenly evolved to "Since day 1".

The third, I didn't push a lynch on you.

Here's my read on you : You're not endangered. You have biased opinions. You have selective reading. You're defending lynchbaits and scummy players in a very oddly neutral way. Because of my poking and suspecting of you, you're now passive-aggressive and semi-tunnel on me, with just that as a basis and none else.

Because I'm conflicted about you, I'll leave this vote here. You say I've been meaning to lynch you, but here's the thing : I have never voted on you, until now.
VOTE: Shinobi

Everything you post is stupid.

Nobody fucking cares what you think about the interactions or how they matter at all. Kitz is voting me for bullshit as of right now and she was on the exact same spot on your lynch list as I was, and it didn't seem to bother you at all.

I can see these are words but I don't see how they coincide with actual things.

*Where is the lack of initiative?
*Where is the lack of direct discussion on "appropriate things" and where do you think my attention should be?
*Why does me "freaking out" about how many votes I have make me scum?

[Shinobi]

You didn't even fucking give me reasons. You've just been tunneling me all game over complete fucking nonsense like "he was wrong" or "he didn't vote the right people" even though it was a scum v scum cross and it didn't fucking matter who I voted anyway, and even then, I was the one pushing the Aeronaut wagon over almost everything else.

Read the fucking game you moron.

[Kitz]

Read the fucking game you moron.

VOTE: Kitz

[Shinobi]

Ugh. Don't do that.

Now I feel bad.

[Shinobi]

Kitz, I'm sorry if I yelled at you but it feels like you're not listening to a word I say about anything and it's starting to get really frustrating considering we're two months into this. At some point some kind of reassessment needs to happen and I'm getting annoyed that you're just using whatever ammo you can against me.

Can we make this happen or no?

[goodmorning]

OH LOOK A SCUMCLAIM

How is that a scum claim? I think you're just tunneling me at this point.
If this was a scum claim, I'd be all like "Hey fucks, I'm the actual serial killer".

I didn't even consider a reflexive element to the SK as being a possibility, though it does seem the logical conclusion now it's been brought up.

You

knew

there was one. So, looking back, did Ozgin.

I don't disagree, but I think there's more evidence for Kitz.

How about, shut up? Your tunneling is rather blatant and annoying now, with excuses and tunnel-slips everywhere.
If you want to get me, be more constructive and stop contradicting yourself.

There's no need to be rude.
I know it sucks being caught by associative cases, but there's really no call for that.

I should probably see if House claimed Scum with anyone other than Kitz.

Meta 1. This is Your piece of the meta. Otherwise, you wouldn't see it as a meta thing, it's a House related thing.

I was saying I should see if House claimed Scum with anyone other than you IN THIS GAME.
If he did it would dial down the likelihood of you being Scum.
That's not even close to meta. That's solely in-game actions.

house busses his scum buddies like crazy when he is scum. I can see his sarcastic comments being truthful

Meta 2.

That's not meta being used to say something new, it's just confirming that an existing point isn't impossible.

Nobody's saying "House always claims Scum with his buddies lol."

Except none of that is true.

No, you do perhaps reserve your vote a tad too much.

[Shinobi]

I don't see what I'm doing wrong with my vote tbh.

[Kitz]

I didn't even consider a reflexive element to the SK as being a possibility, though it does seem the logical conclusion now it's been brought up.

You knew there was one. So, looking back, did Ozgin.

It's the explanation of the first night, it's logical. Stop turning logic against me.

[goodmorning]

Stop turning logic against me.

Seriously?

[Shinobi]

I didn't even consider a reflexive element to the SK as being a possibility, though it does seem the logical conclusion now it's been brought up.

You knew there was one. So, looking back, did Ozgin.

It's the explanation of the first night, it's logical. Stop turning logic against me.

lol

[goodmorning]

So, Shinobi, what do you think? Scumslip or no?

[Shinobi]

That depends; are reflexive vigilantes a thing or no?

I honestly don't know the roles too well here on MS.

[Kitz]

Stop turning logic against me.

Seriously?

Yes, seriously. 3 attacks on first night and then either 1 or none. I was either thinking mass murderer (I couldn't find it on the wiki), so I thought it was the town role (off-site names) veteran / grandma / hateful. Everyone said no, one way or another.