Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[shos]

Except that's not the only reason. The simplest reason is he has done absolutely nothing town. Every other player has done things that I can call town. Ceph? Nothing.

Dude. You saynothing here.

Give me a single post by celh and tell me why it is scum. Saying "his posts" means nothing, because im not going to iso him simply because you said so. Ceph is a long ago townread of mine, so I am inclined to listen to what you and others have to say. But nobody actually tells me where to look.

[shos]

Ceph is a long ago townread of mine

Yet you've still not told me why he is town

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here

You're a much stronger scumread than any of the others, so I don't care whether you're here or not

Look, this is my interpretation of the situation:
1. me
A long time ago I had a townread on Ceph (at least 30 pages ago, it seems).
I have not seen anything scummy done by Ceph.
-->ergo, I am not willing to lynch him.
-->this does not mean I am still townreading ceph hard. this read faded away, I do not remember why it was there. BUT, trusting myself, I make the math of "previously townread"+"not scummy"="not for lynch".

2. you
you attack ceph like an eye-covered bull, but don't ever say why
you say that this scumread is stronger by far than any of the other scumreads of yours (e.g. me)

...
So no Wisdom, I don't see how this works. You need to explain to me why I should vote cephrir based on HIS POSTS. you don't make association tells without flipped scum. saying "his posts" is not nearly enough. direct me somewhere.

[shos]

So how do you expect me to follow you? :/

and then you go call me scum for "not changing my reads".

[shos]

So how do you expect me to follow you? :/

and then you go call me scum for "not changing my reads".

wisdom.? comment?

and that is null reck - he may be inventing, or he may be passing thoughts, as both scum or town.

[shos]

so here was me, sitting in the toilet, half asleep, reading.

and then I remembered why I townread ceph. it's because of his posts, wisdom. just like why you're scumreading him, lol.

[shos]

Wisdom, your confbias is extremely extreme. like really.

Ceph's posts made me feel sure about my T-bone read again and the crumbs he found to Gray's claim makes me super sure about my gray townread.

[shos]

^^^ this post is bad.


Wisdom: not that I don't approve of your move to Tbone, but, can you explain to me why?(trying to read YOU better)

[shos]

well, you started out by claiming to be all-worst result, and then took it back immediately when prompted? we still don't know if exists/who a tracker. Also, how does the flavor fit with the miller thing? when the mod fucks up the VC explains the vote switch, but not the miller.

[shos]

To explicitly full claim, because I think we should probably do that, I am a miller vote switcher. I can switch two players' control of their votes

My nonstandard miller thing basically says I come up whatever the worse result is to everything

. I think X/Not X investigations may have been mentioned. Not looking at it atm.

On Night 1, I did nothing
On night 2, I swapped shos with notscience

ceph what's your flavor name

when the mod messes up the votecount

So your miller is that you give the "worst possible result" to everything?

Does that include trackers?

Actually checking my role PM -- it's just to X/Not X investigations.

So for instance I would return guilty to FBI Agents.

hmmm.

[shos]

At first you claim non-standard miller.
Then you say you return the worst result to everything.
Then, when prompted, you take that back, saying it's just X/Not X.

so what's non-standard? and how does this fit flavor?

[shos]

I am a miller.

VOTE: LLD

One scum down.

Are you conditional

No. I do have non-standard wording.

could you elaborate on the "non standardness" of the wording of X/not X?

[shos]

To those controlling the score, can you give score of -10 to the one who is the most scummy in your opinion, then 9 to the next, then 8, etc...

[shos]

Phinepost

Guys that post is after getting Eddie's mesaage "i scynread tbone too"

[shos]

If you ISO bith of us around that yime you will see that I was talking about his message, and was trying to figure out who sent it to me. I also said atuff about this daystart.

Vasically, the conftoen comes for "why would scum have messager role"

[shos]

Tgat has relevance to my role

[shos]

hey guys I'm trying to not fall behind the game and all but gf is sick and she takes a lot of my time :/

I've read up, I don't have anything specific to say; you're all theorizing your momma over who can be what and with whom and all
this is wrong mafia play guys
scum are caught one by one.

In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.

sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.

it

really

doesn't look like any new arguments are being considered. it's all blabber of, we have X events, each one rates it differently by order of importance and alignment-telling level, and it's a dead end.


I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.

[shos]

ceph, I admit I might have missed a couple of things over the last 10 pages or so, my last few days were bad; but I still think what I said in that post is good. yes, I'm saying drop vanity wagons and focus on one scum by one, and not the entire scumteam by itself. Games are *usually* not breakable by looking at roles. we don't have copouts apart from NS - does that make it OK to have *SIX* wagons, each with 1-2 votes?

could you explain to me how focusing on 2-3 wagons is scummy in your opinion?
you extremely oversimplified my post when you mocked me over there. the idea is simple. really. is there anyone that thinks that ALL three of ceph, Tbone, and Iece are town? no? I thought so. so why not pick your scummy lot of these, and work with these?

"Because TS is scum too" - cool, ok, work with that tomorrow. the game is stagnating. in the previous weeks our posting rate has been MUCH higher imo. right now, it seems like a yes/no/but wait/no/yes bickering for 10 pages.

[shos]

yeah. it's a likely Tbone/iec/reck team imo, but this is based a lot on PoE.

[shos]

Reck's role seems fitting for scum as a way to deceive town; but why would he claim it if this was it?
and re:boner - I know the wiki says it's usually town but I really only have seen scum roleblocker, and I have <no> reasons to think he is town. Reck is *truly* fitting his playstyle - which I always scumread (kinda like ZZZX) but this time it's truly PoE. I don't trust that read as much as I trust t-bone.

[shos]

bah I'm not taking a 'too scummy to be scum' as a towntell. there were one too many (or a dozen) places in the game where by themselves I'd lynch tbone for them.

I am willing to consider voting reck though. but not now, I gotta sleep. I'm thinking I'll have good time to invest here on Sunday,.

[shos]

*hasnt read yet*
Metal just died and told me tp tell you that he lovea 3353, wisdim.

[shos]

No he's focusing elsewhere right now

[shos]

18. Each Day will have a deadline of fourteen real life days.

In the event deadline is reached before a lynch has occurred, no lynch will occur.

4. The Mafia have daytalk with each other. In addition, the scums' teammates will have read-only access to the Mafia PT.

As a start, these should be repeated in case anyon missed this

I'm just going to lay this here in case someone asks why I put this here

I MAKE ME LAUGH

[shos]

...mypoint is lets focus on any number of wagons less than 6?

[shos]

Because it was that way three days ago too xD

Ill consider soon at home

[shos]

do you see me wallposting

I read this with the sound of "You see me mowing...my front lawn..." etc lol


anyway, I'm home now, and Metal posted some stuff for me to say so I will do that in a sec and then I'll revisit Reck.

[shos]

also, OMFG magua, your pagetop-catching abilities are fucking beyond me. amazing.

[shos]

also, OMFG magua, your pagetop-catching abilities are fucking beyond me. amazing.

like, teach me, I wanna be you.

[shos]

do you see me wallposting

Metal Sonic's wall of win, in short

1. Reck is terrible and I should be voting him and he can't understand why I'm not
2. Metal agrees with me that Cephrir is town, but only leaning town. He says that the case might be that he just cannot read him butttt in general he says that what's in here is different from ceph's scum play.
3. Agrees with me that split wagons are terrible. He says, to which I agree - this is what I was saying - that split wagons point towards a town that is entirely is disorganized and ununited, and unless town suddenly finds a way to converges, scum will win.
4. I should help wisdom (what does this even mean??? will ask him)
5. I should vote reck
6. 3349 is superfuck and it makes Sonic want to slaughter cephrir despite the above
7. GI is incredibly obvtown and he doesn't see why people aren't saying it(???)(am I interpretting this right?)
8. Iece looks townie. He has no idea dunno why people are scumreading that slot
9. TS is terrible just like always but he's on the fence around this guy


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ugh so I'll redirect the questions that need to be redirected to sonic int he team PT

[shos]

ISOing ceph; starting from page 2, because I feel like 58 is enough

[shos]

he keeps posting.

3376 by ceph is a post that is indicative of town. rallying other town together to converge on a scum wagon.
also wis is his top townread and GI next.
umm...the action (3376) is indicative, so wisdom is town, not ceph, if I get it correctly. it also fits his reads so >_>

yeah. ceph is talking BAD about the action and it is a GOOD action so ceph is scumscumscum.

and I should vote reck again -_-


still plowing through that ISO.


pedit: lol @ reck vote on me
me hiding behind your claim? whaaa..?

[shos]

I can't buy his whole "oh let me scumhunt by not taking an opinion and talking about arbitrary numbers of scum on a wagon that may or may not be bullshit" plus his trying to push me as scum by hiding behind my claim

also if you don't know my opinion about ANYTHING you aren't reading enough

[shos]

I should be triple screening this lol
MS says it's based on one game. interesting tha Ceph says otherwise....
he just changed his read on ceph(not sure from what to what lol xD)
anddd tells me to vote reck again

to wisdom - proxying votes through the team PT is ridiculous? you will understand if you're town?
^^^^I honestly have no idea what's going on by now

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I'm not even a tenth of the way through his ISO and I already want to vote reck based off MS and his incredible misrep of me in post 3386.


pedit:
ah, game is alive again, I'm getting pedits! like.

[shos]

VOTE: reck

pedit: I pushed you? where?
and I did not say your claim is scummy, I said it fits as a scum role more than a town role, and even that was only after I was prodded by wisdom to vote you. MS has also been prodding me with a spear up my ass to vote you. and I've just went through a big chunk of your ISO(not only those 58 posts) and it appears that you did shit, I mean, cabd's content was better, and I have no idea how you have 260 posts.

[shos]

Ceph, are you talking about my post or reck's misrep, lol

MS says that ceph having 431(435 by now lol) posts really doesn't look apathetic, but you're wrong about you being able to look town lol
oh and @wis that was just ranting so ignore. no MS, I'm not paraphrasing THIS

[shos]

ahh no it's not
a scummy claim is what T-bone has done; claim a role that I see always as scum, say that you targetted X and then Y and then say oops, claiming acompletely antitown night actions, etc. What reck claimed is just a seemingly useless role. but it being town is -really- useless, and it being scum is -not- useless, because scum can try to use it to fool town as if there's a different mechanic there, or even to just fuck up the thread with people clogging it trying to figure out a pattern(which almost happened with me, D1, remember? when LLD shot me down from that idea).

[shos]

Reck's role seems fitting for scum as a way to deceive town; but why would he claim it if this was it?

This was what I said.

[shos]

Also let me just say: if I was actually scum and had this role I would've used it to fuck with people way more because I would've had a whole team that could've helped me update it and keep it on votecounts and stuff. I wouldn't have half-assed it to fuck with people or chosen to use a strategy that requires me to be around for every single VC or given up and started janking the scores around just to troll.

I mean you could argue this is "self-meta" but I don't think it is, I think it's just like... how would scum use this role, and how would town?

are you limited or can you change it every second? or every VC?
I also think the idea to actually check the score out got shot down SUPER quick so keeping up with it probably wouldn't have mattered unless I found a pattern in my team PT.

shos is actually right now that I think about it. It's a misleading thing and fits scum more than town

It's no more misleading than your anonymous messenger role, holy shit

and I disagree, because you know it's not the mod that's talking there. on VCs it looked just like mod work.

[shos]

Guys im having hard time catching up, my phone died and I am trying to keep up but i habe loooooaaaads to read

[shos]

Im onpage 150 and LOL @ Iece calling me active lurking like waaaaat

If Tier flips town this wagon is supet fuxkingly scummy. The wagon was created and rose to L-1 in seconds and it doeant look like theres any reason, while a SHITTY tracker claim and im still lolling over reck and tboner

Also the out of game meeting is completely null if its legal

[shos]

At 152. TS is on VLA.
Anecdote:
Last game I llayed, TS was *almost* lynched at d1 as scum,abd his wagon rpse to L-1 when he was vla xD

As of now I want to lymch iece. That role as town istoo powerful in clmbo woth a cop and doc.

[shos]

Iece, out of game communication is not allowedto be relevant

And we do have a cop, check bins flip

[shos]

Also i hv beenphonepoating on ym gfs phone for the last theee days so you punching my posts as active lurking js bullshit. I haf the most posts and content in the game prior to wisdom spamful entrance.

Your claim sucks vecaise you did say why tatget tbone iirc(why not a tpwnread??) and also that is a super piwerful role and this doesnt fit setyp balance if town. ESPECIALLY if yiu think tbkne is town.

We have a flipped doc and cop and claimed roleblocker and supertracker and i dun remember whay GIce claimed but it wasntvania either


Loads kf scumthis ga.e

Like theres 1 town 10 scum

[shos]

VOTE: iecerint

Idont buy that claim as tiwn AT ALL


I maintain a team of
{Iece, likely tbone, probably one of reck/TS}

[shos]

What the fuck

I havent been having lots of sex lol xD but yeah i was busy fighting with her

My theory is thatboth you and tbone are svum and your fakeclaims bith suck ass.

Tbones claim is roleblocker. He blocked a CLAIMRD NON-PR on N1 and DEAD GUY n2. He also claims to recieve a track reault.
You claim to have given him the track result *no reason*(why the fuck do you need to GUESS why you did that?) and given result to DEAD GUY onn2.

On top of the already existing scumreads on both of you I have a real easy time makong my calls here.

Choosing between reck ans TS will be done later.



Pedit: hmmm that bus. Interesting

[shos]

Rolea may be truthful; alignments no way.

Cop+supertrCker+roleblocker+doc+other roles? Bah. I do not.

We havesome p useless roleclaims and some powerful. I think these are all split between sxum and town.

Town having doc+cop wprks perfectly with sxum roleblocker actually. You being scum supertracker is very possible but coming tothink of it tbone scum RB fits muvh better. So tboneis probably a better lynch then you for today.

[shos]

Theres no way a follow the cop would be possible in TEAM MAFIA.

VOTE: tbone
I should never have left that wagon

[shos]

Shos, if your concern is that I am not really a tracker and T-Bone and I fabricated it (seems pretty risky), the chance of my being able to give someone a track N2 is high, especially if T-Bone is dead, since I doubt there's another roleblocker. Like at worst I'll give it to scum and it will become 1/1 if they deny receiving it.

If I were scum with T-Bone in the Iec/T-Bone-fabrication scenario, I probably would have had him claim a result today, too, or I would have him claim to have blocked me. This is because as scum we would have consulted the wiki amnesiac definition and known that it standardly goes to the same person each night.

1. Nit that risky actually. 2.but yiu CHOSE thedeadguy as your targets,bothof you 3. In orderto claim another reault you wipp need to favricate one. Ceph was safe since he claimedmiller. So instead you claim on rhibox. It all makes perfect sense - no far fetching. For him to block you he will need a reason. Not thay blocning rhinox is better...lol. And stabdard amnesiac goes to same person? Not random?


Fucking 3am

[shos]

Orrr you can use any if the dead or teammates as both ttack results receiver or the onr bejng tracjed etc etc

Can yiu target yiurself?

[shos]

Guys I decided that I practicallly don't care
This is, in my opinion, a 1v1 between Gice and Iece.

VOTE: iece

End of story.
Step by step.

[shos]

But dont hammer yet cuz ot appears i neglectes my teams pt and MS has wrote stidf there

[shos]

lol just got home and the game was open on page 139 xD
will post soon

[shos]

TS can that be a day action or only night action?
and because we have a flipped COP and DOCTOR and we have *TWO* extra people claiming investigative roles and this has no chance of being true.


pedit: I WAS NOT HOME.
and your wifom accusations are wifom on wifom, which is in general wifom.

[shos]

TS, hilariously unbalanced mafia was tagged as 'hilariously unbalanced'. this is TEAM MAFIA.

and Iece, it looks awful funny that you support Tbone and then the moment you are accused yourself you suddenly decide to bus, and bewonder yourself with 'what happened to my boner to lynching boner?'. it looks like you're trying to get me off your back by voting T-bone. could be bussing, yes, but I'm right now even more sure of you than T-bone.


pedit: wisdom <3


OMFG I GET LIKE 10 PEDITS ALREADY

[shos]

Cop is nerfed
doc is nerfed
grey's investigative value is limited
only the tracker isn't

The thing I'm having much more trouble with is the supposed town RB. I'm much more expecting that on the scum side, seeing the town is quite strong if all these town roles are true.

Even if one is false, the RB is still much more town power than any of grey/tracker so I really don't get how you conclude T-bone (and to a lesser extent grey) has to be town and Iece has to be scum

{T-bone, iece, TS} fits my head as scumteam.

more sure of Iece. if he flips scum, then Tbone surely is scum too.
TS seems scummy for his claim - I'd like more info on how you and your team made the decision to not use it yet; but the thing is that self-targetting seems to be a thing this game, I have it too...

[shos]

I'm in a little battle with myself here re: Tbone and TS
we have the flips and a damn good reason to believe Iece is scum but....

both Tbone and TS have claims *so fucking bad* that I'm having a really hard time to believe that with a 3-man scumteam and 12 players contributing, *this* is the best effort they could come up with. when I'm scum I think about my fakeclaims SUPER CAREFULLY. there's gotta be at least one of the 12 people involved in being scum here that has thought about this deeper.

maybe I'm completely offset.

[shos]

Iece - is 3979 at me? my team has vezok, molla and metal sonic
"we have the flips" is we know there's a cop and a doc.

am I the only one unclaimed? lolz

[shos]

I am

When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player

. basically I get notified at morning if I was targetted at night. as abilities, it counts as (A), as in, I target myself, too. I haven't been targetted at both nights so far, which confirms that wisdom's action is a day action.


pedit:
WOAH
Tboen might be town after all
can we haz iece dead

[shos]

yes, apart form myself obviously.
and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

[shos]

Where did reck disappear suddenly? he was superactive when he wagon was viable.

[shos]

*sigh*
ok let's make order.
1. I receive a PM only if I am targetted.
2. I did not receive a "targetted" PM (don't know how it looks like yet) after both nights.
3. I was given mollie's (? or eddie's?) message immediately on the start of D2. I had a little conversation with the mod in PMs, trying to figure out if this was a night or day action, and after failing miserably (the mod is very good lol) I decided that this was a night action. only after the full claim I understood that this was a day action. I'm guessing Eddie sent this immediately at the start of the day, because it was literally minutes iirc since daystart when I got the message.

anything still unclear?

[shos]

Also Shos' flavor claim is eerily close to Iece's...

could you make a list of all claims & flavors? I don't remember~

yes, apart form myself obviously.
and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

1. Mollie=Wisdom used her day message on Reck D1...it was instantaneous.

So I just forgot a claimed message I guess? Or he also has a delayed message, you're saying?

2. You expect me to believe that your idea of crumbing self-watcher who was not targeted is to claim self-watcher who was targeted?

1. it was on D2 not D1.
2. that was not a crumb. I was trying to figure out who was it that messaged me. wisdom confused my ass on this subject a LOT, but only later in the game, I think.

[shos]

yes, apart form myself obviously.
and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

1. Mollie=Wisdom used her day message on Reck D1...it was instantaneous.

So I just forgot a claimed message I guess? Or he also has a delayed message, you're saying?

2. You expect me to believe that your idea of crumbing self-watcher who was not targeted is to claim self-watcher who was targeted?

I would just like to note, I am laughing my ass off that Shos had just accused both myself and Tier for fucking up our claims and we're scum for it...and then proceeds to shit the bed with his own.

lolno?
you claimed actions that are just fucking antilogical. my role doesn't even have actions.
also as scum, I don't think I *ever* fucked up a fakeclaim, so if you consider this fucked up, ytou should be townreading me lol
the single time my claim worked against me was in Rocky Horror, where I just got unlucky not knowing the flavor, and I fixed myself up like a survivor and *almost* made through D1 after a basically gamestart guilty daycop my maestro. game was still won by tammy

[shos]

Shos: Whether I was targeted depends on what your definition of "is" is.

?????
what?

yes, apart form myself obviously.
and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

You received it during the day, duuh?

yes but I got it like *immediately* after day was started. timestamps are not allowed to be posted, but I check now and the difference between the gamestart pm and the message is *five* minutes.

[shos]

So the "I know I was targeted" referred to Eddie's message?

yes. that wasn't quote a "know" know. more like a 'sure' know, lol. I had no reason to assume otherwise. You should check with Eddie how soon from daystart he sent me the message, and confirm it.

[shos]

My flavor is

When The Mod Gives Results To The Wrong Player

.

I am

When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player

.

lol holy shit

[shos]

So the "I know I was targeted" referred to Eddie's message?

Shos: Whether I was targeted depends on what your definition of "is" is.

?????
what?

My inference at the time was that your defense to the apparent discrepancy was that you were saying that the person you were referring to in that message was yourself. The wording is a reference the way that Clinton claimed he didn't lie about having sex with Monica Lewinsky. This is why I thought it:

yes, apart form myself obviously.

and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

Bold added. It reads like you were saying that your comment D2 referred to you watching yourself N1, which sounds so utterly ridiculous that I pre-mocked it before that:

inb4 "Oh, I meant that I targeted myself."

that was not an answer to what you asked, it was a comment on the "inb4" thingie.
for explanation of the "discrepancy", see my later post. I still don't understand what the "definition of is is" is about.

[shos]

Day 2 start was at x:12 (1393)

Eddie's message was sent at y:33. I have to convert the times to check if x=y, but either way it's not five minutes.

are you able to send the action during the night?

you should ask eddie literally. he should confirm everything I say.

ask him when he got the 'day start' PM and compare to THAT; not to the actual opening of the thread.

However, there's also this:

also I know that someone targetted me tonight.

shos, explain.

Tgat has relevance to my role

Are you sure that wasn't you being targeted by Rhinox?

I'm not getting the point
of COURSE it has relevance to my role, is that not clear?
and yes I'm sure I wasn't being targetted by Rhinox, lol. that is regardless of my role - if he was loud and I was the target, I would receive ANOTHER message from the 'loud' part.

[shos]

To be clear, he's contrasting that with this. Here's Wisdom's post before that one:

Re: the shos thing

shos is telling the truth that the "conftown" thing was about me, not Rhinox.

Spoiler: Relevant Quotes

yes

Though shos is less likely because he didn't seem to know it was Eddie, unless he was faking it

nope, definitely didn't know. I was all yes/no/yes/no, when I said you might be conftown but then you confused me again so no and then yes and no and FINALLY you fully claimed so yes.

I asked you if you're talking about the "thinkin" thing and you said no. Eddie used that word

But still, why would that make me conftown?

yes

Though shos is less likely because he didn't seem to know it was Eddie, unless he was faking it

yeah I didn't actually attempt to hint at the wording of the PM, I didn't get that you did. And I figured it would make you conftown because being a scum messenger is completely useless?

Iece, I am still not getting the point.
these quotes show that I did not know WHO sent me the message, and that wisdom tried to hint with the WORDING CONTENT of the message, and I didn't get it because I was talking only about the CONTENT ITSELF.

I feel like an entire scumteam is attempting to punch holes to get me mislynched, lol. look at the sudden cooperation between Tbone and Iece.. astonishing.

Shos it's simple. Why did you claim that you knew someone had targeted you at night...and then claim that no one has targeted you at night?

because I had no reason to think it was faulty. I got the message *SO SOON* after the game started, that I was 99.999% sure that it HAD been a night action.

[shos]

I cannot ask Eddie, he is not part of my team anymore. But as I said, I believe you on that part.

I don't believe you on all the others. Are you claiming you did not trust the mod result that you were not targeted by anyone?

I'm only supposed to be getting a PM if the answer is yes, so I assume no message means no. I had a PM conversation with the mod about it early D2 but he's like a rock, and I couldn't get any clear answer from it. I assumed, at the time, that me getting the message was enough for a "you have been targetted". as I said - I do not know how a "you have been targetted" message looks like. only AFTER you had claimed your day ability it became clear, and you had your D1 message to confirm that it is DAY message, so I knew I could believe you. hence my townread on you practically all game.

omfg stop peditting me

[shos]

You getting a day message isn't relevant to your role.

For example, if Wisdom sent me a message and I knew that someone had sent me something, I wouldn't say "that had relevance to my role."

You said this D3.

I WILL REPEAT IN CAPS IN CASE YOU CANNOT READ NON-SHOUTS

THE MESSAGE CAME AT THE START OF THE DAY

NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT

I THOUGHT IT WAS A RESULT OF A NIGHT ACTION

[shos]

Also wait a second, Iece is right. You said that D3, not D2, meaning you were talking about N2. Eddie sent you the message at the beginning of D2, meaning your supposed dilemma was between N1 and D2, not N2.

context, I think? I have no reason to think anything targetted me on N2. if anyone wants to CC do it and let's 1v1.

[shos]

I DID NOT THINK IT WAS A NIGHT ACTION AFTER WISDOM FULLY CLAIMED.

ME SAYING IT WAS ROLE RELATED WAS TLAKING ABOUT THE POOOOOOOOOOOOOOST NOT ABOUT THE CONTENT
AT THE TIM EOF THE POST I DID NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT KNOW THAT

OMFG GUYS READ STUFF IN CONTEXT


/pissed off

I'm going for late lunch. I'll be back in about half an hour to BREAK MY FUCKING MONITOR GODDMAIT


PEDIT OMFG I DONT KNOW WHEN TH EPOST WAS I JUST TRUSTED WISDOM RIGHT NOW IF WISDOM IS WRONG THEN I DONT EVEN GET HOW I AM BEING ACCUSED OF ANYTHING



CAN WE FUCKING STOP LETTING SCUM PISS ME OFF IT PISSES ME OFF


STOP FUCKING PEDITTING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IM TRYING TO POSTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[shos]

You getting a day message isn't relevant to your role.

For example, if Wisdom sent me a message and I knew that someone had sent me something, I wouldn't say "that had relevance to my role."

You said this D3.

My role states that. was I not clear. Jesus. (<<<said the jew, btw, shows you my wtfness right now)

Iece, I honestly think by now that you're just repeating a thousand questions in different forms and contexts to get me confused and prey on it. you're half-bussing a partner but work really hard to getting a different, new town wagon to rise.

Wisdom, explain to me the Tiershift vote? also has he claimed? I don't remember by now?...because I remember when reading up that the first three votes were basically reasonless, and they all looked very random to me, especially while he's in V/LA.

The fact that Iece is voting T-bone and not Grey

*proves*

to me that he is scum. I am like 100% sure of that right now.
if Iece was town, he would

know

that there exist a *TOWN* tracker, cop, AND doc. with this, voting a roleblocker (which can interfere with their results) over another claimed investigative PR (GreyICE) who does NOT interfere with their results, is 100% countering logic if you're basing your vote on setup speculation, which he did.

Iece.
Explain to me your T-bone vote.
like, I know why one objectively may think he is scum(obviously), but explain to me how you're voting him over GreyICE?


pedit: ohay ceph is here!

[shos]

eh, that quote was not supposed to be there, it was supposed to be 4116

[shos]

oh my god this game is so confusing

unvote

can we also have someone unvote from tier until I make sense out of it

[shos]

I'll make order.

[shos]

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	Switched shos and NS' votes on N???

I gotta go and haven't finished - if anyone is willing to keep going I'll be happy, otherwise I'll continue later

[shos]

I know that wisdom, but this way it looks better, clearer, and has more details.

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	Switched shos and NS' votes on N2
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability N2: notscience does not have a night ability
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked ????, gave to Rhinox
notscience			Hated	GreyICE says he has no night actions
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Modified Self-Watcher		The ability counts as active. Not targetted N1. Not targetted N2.
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Cephrir N1 Blocked Rhinox N2
TierShift	"When the mod forgets to send a role PM"	1-shot self-inventor		1s ability has yet to be invented
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

any relevant info I forgot?

[shos]

*Sigh*
wisdomtunnel is neverending Tier, you should know that lol

so let's see some analysis.

[shos]

hopefully I'll get to it today, busy fighting with gf again, lol, no hammers yet please.

considering Reck is not currently voting, I'd again appreciate someone unvoting till I get my words in

[shos]

Oh that's true

my bad
will be here in a few minutes I hope

[shos]

so much for 'having lots of sex' lol xD
I'm just not going to finish this argument in time so I'll get it tomorrow.

will, again, be happy if we could lynch scum today rather then tomorrow, and as such I want an unvote

[shos]

Hi shos please respond to the relevant stuff I've been saying

Others please read
This drives me nuts

morning
what are those? I don't recall any.

reminding everyone that phone broke down, aka I'm offline when at work(back in...11 hours?)

[shos]

ok, so here's the schedule
I have some paper to hand in tomorrow for university
and a kung fu training
and I need to put my phone to repair
If I get to do what I want today, I will, if not, tomorrow

[shos]

*ignores*
I have no time for that shit

[shos]

wooh! time~!

[shos]

Seriously guys, shos is scum.

Look at rhinox, who was extremely right about shos's first few day 2 posts. Rhinox, who seemed pretty malleable except for his shos scumread. He's dead now.

That's not a coincidence.
Let me get the post I'm talking about for you.

nop
I'm just a little dazzled at how the hell the katsuki wagon went through
I went to sleep thinking that 99.9999% cabd dies. This suggests, imo, that cabd IS actually scum; but it could really just be coincidence - both wagons were high.
if cabd flips scum, I'm gonna swarm through the katsuki wagon for scum.

This is so cheeky-scum posting. YOU voted kats. You pushed for kats lynch. "oh tee hee kats got lynched? wow thats surprising totally didn't expect that" please... so fucking cheeky.

We need to have a talk about a few things shos.

1) Explain this post:

@mollie - you're going to have to look for yourself, if you know what I mean

2) Why were you so averse to voting Cabd? Over the last 48hrs of D1 you called Cabd scum, you said you would hammer either cabd or kats and reiterated that throughout the day. You called for town to focus in on Cabd or Kats because "ZOMG NO LYNCH" but then you tried to speed wagon tbone and humored the thought of a speedwagon on ceph even closer to deadline. By the end of the day you were all "rah rah everyone vote kats nao" and when you went to bed you seemed dejected cabd might get lynched with your whole "fuck it don't care just lynch cabd". And now today after you waffle on Cabd in 1401 you call him useless lynchbait who is only maybe scum but only because of the kats lynch. But back in 1071 you said Cabd was scum. So what happened between 1071 and 1401 that made you think Cabd is town, expect maybe only scum based on not his play but kats flipping town?


to be continued...

Can you guys at least listen to a confirmed town player, who was killed and had shos as only serious scumread?

At least, like, try to read my posts and comment n them? Reck? Ceph? Grey? Iece?

So what you're saying is that I am scum and killed Rhinox because he was scumreading me? wouldn't scum, supposedly, attempt to kill the tracker if the tracker was truly town? do you think Rhinox would have been a good candidate for being the tracker?
come on, TS, you suck this game.
The post Rhinox quoted was taken out of context, I was not surprised that kats died, rather I was surprised that it prevailed over cabd on D1. When I went to sleep at the night of D1's lynch, I was literally 99% sure that cabd was going down. and I've already explained that 774 was talking about an ongoing game, so I had to wait it out until it's over. YOU WERE IN THAT GAME. you're town. don't make me fucking hammer you. This rhinox theme is an appeal to authority which is not quite an authority because a dead player does not make him right.

[shos]

Let me get this straight

1.Shos claims he has been targeted at night
2.Shos claims a role that informs him if he's been targeted at night
3.Shos claims not to have been targeted at night
4.Shos claims he thought he was targeted at night because he received the message early in the day although he did not receive a confirmation he was targeted

This stinks, shos. And do you know of what this stinks? Of the EXACT same thing as my voyeur claim with unmatching crumb in shameless mafia.

I don't see why anyone thinks this is a logical sequence of events. If he were the actual role he claimed, he would NOT have claimed he wasn't targeted.

I can bring up the reference to how shos caught me with a bad crumb to my fakeclaim if anyone wants me to.

But shos, I'm going to catch you here.
VOTE: shos

Really guys, just look at it. He would not EVER post the 'I have been targeted' because that is a fucking crumb if you have this role. And not a crumb of what he has actually claimed.

He explained it and it makes perfect sense.

and this.
In short: I had a small fight with the mod in PMs because the *DAY ACTION* that I received was gotten *LITERALLY FIVE MINUTES* from when the day started, so I was sure it's a night action.

READ THE FUCKING THREAD

[shos]

And you know what, if you wanna talk meta - fine. That fakeclaim of yours over there was straight up countering what you said - just like I did here, supposedly - but over there you argued that "this was your crumb" - which is bullshitness of bullshitting bullshitters which are bulls. like real bulls. with big balls. eatable. What happened here is merely a confusion. if you *truly* want to make sense of my claim, follow the timestamps. Wisdom can confirm that all that I have said so far fits. if you think I'm lying, go ahead, vote wisdom(lolz)

[shos]

You can let MS' input go, his comments are practically irrelevant by now, they were posted for pages 130-something and we've passed that. I deem it unworthy~

And Ceph Tier has been playing to his town meta so far, and I haven't had a reason to vote him until now. this wagon on him grew with no resistance and no reasoning, so it is suspicious. I'll analyze his role claim in a moment.

[shos]

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	Switched shos and NS' votes on N2
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability N2: notscience does not have a night ability
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox
notscience			Hated	GreyICE says he has no night actions
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Modified Self-Watcher		The ability counts as active. Not targetted N1. Not targetted N2.
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Eddie N1 Blocked Rhinox N2 Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere.
TierShift	"When the mod forgets to send a role PM"	1-shot self-inventor		1s ability has yet to be invented
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

Is anything wrong, or is there anything to add?

[shos]

So. Assuming this table is complete and correct:

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	Switched shos and NS' votes on N2
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability N2: notscience does not have a night ability
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox
notscience			Hated	GreyICE says he has no night actions
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Modified Self-Watcher		The ability counts as active. Not targetted N1. Not targetted N2.
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Eddie N1 Blocked Rhinox N2 Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere.
TierShift	"When the mod forgets to send a role PM"	1-shot self-inventor		1s ability has yet to be invented
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

let's see; deal with the dead first:
1. Bins, dead cop. He's conditional - we don't know the condition - and we also know that Katsuki was a Miller, so that makes him less powerful than a normal cop.
2. Cabd and Katsuki's roles are practically stupid-non-vanillas that are completely useless.
3. Rhinox was a loud doctor. That is superior to a doctor in the fashion that it's both a doctor, AND confirms itself as one to the target. However, it may also let scum know about it if the target is scum. Still stronger than a regular doctor IMO.

1+3 *may* create a follow the cop strategy- depending on the condition...Howeverrrrr

living players:
1. Tbone: roleblocker.
This fits perfectly imo as scum counter to the above. if this is town, then it makes town *really* fucking strong, even without regarding to other roles.

2. Iecerint: Modified Amnesiac Tracker.
a super strong investigative, no questions asked. a full tracker, can confirm itself to others by sending them the result, and can bypass this mechanic by sending result to self if needed. there has to be *AT LEAST* oen scum in these two roles I have just mentioned; if both are town, scum have to have some super extra strongman ninja godfather or something.

3. GreyICE: Night-action cop.
This is a meh-but-still probably strong PR just as well. positive result means absolutely nothing, negative result is powerful. So this cannot catch scum, but it can confirm town. I'd argue that of the three roles I've just wrote down, 2 are scum.

These are three roles that make town super duper strong, even if only 2 are town, arguably even if only 1 is town. All three roles fit as scum roles, too.

4. Cephrir, notscience, shos ,wisdom, reck: useless
All these roles are again practically useless, and seem to just be there to make the person not-vanilla. This seems to be a trend, I can buy these claims.

Reck

's role can be used to decieve town. Wisdom's cannot, no, reck, stop saying that. My role is pretty stupid imo, I dunno, at first I thought it is really awesome but then I realized it's just...not. Ceph's extra part of the role which is being

miller

hinders the cop(s) and possibly the tracker too, so this can be a part of the balancing shit if only 1 is scum of the three roles mentioned above.

5. Tiershift: TBD
I would agree that waiting two nights to invent is not optimal, but I would also agree that inventing on N1 is probably not what the mod planned to happen. if that were the case, it'd just be an even-night role or 1-shot even-night, with no need to invent. The self-targetting theme fits my own role, so I'm also inclined to believe that claim. it may be scum too though, maybe there's a hidden part that says it gets stronger the longer he waits and he's just scum and not saying it. dunno.

6. notscience: hated+???
The fact NS hasn't claimed yet looks wierd to me. he has a confirmation from GICE so he lives either way, but....what would you guys think about this slot if GICE ever flips scum?

~~~

course of actions.

1. I think that we should be focusing on the {T-bone, GreyICE, Iecerint} trio, as there's likely a really good chance of hitting scum there. The tracker claim is reaaaally off imo and I'd lynch it first. Not going to say what later because we'll reevaluate after we see a flip.

2. Choosing from that pool would also allow Tier to be resolved. We'll then know what his role is and see how it works. he will have to work shitloads if he needs to make ANOTHER fakeclaim if scum, not to mention setup balance and flavor.

~~~

Update on reads.

1. Cephrir: probably town. the miller-hinders-town theme looks fitting, he claimed gamestart and his proven switch of me and NS' votes seems to me like he's this game's vanillalike role. Many people seem to have scumread him but nobody voted - that is correct - it's *still* true - but I probably wouldn't support such a lynch.
2. GreyICE: LLD's replaceout was remarkably town, and his townclaim on NS has -no- scum motivation behind it - no cred, no benefits - unless he's scum with NS. The role is odd, but the flavor fits perfectly. I've townread and still am townreading this slot.
3. Iece: I'm like, 95% sure this slot is scum because of the role and the above analysis. The flavor matches very lightly, because he claimed to CHOOSE the "wrong player", and someone said that he knows of a game from whence this fakeclaim may have been taken in which Iece played. In actual gameplay, this slot didn't do shit in serious stuff, the only things I realy remember from it is against *me*, which was bullshit. This is where my vote is, and where I think everyone's vote should be.
4. NS: town by GICE. unlynchable unless GICE flips scum - this is not to be touched, probably getting NKed anyway...
5. shos: superubertown of ultratowniness
6. T-bone: I've been consistently scumreading this slot and it hasn't given me a single reason to change my mind. The claim and horrible actions claimed, with horrible reasoning and coincidences, was shitty enough for me to vote; the analysis I did above is just another straw to this haystack.
7. Tier: flavor fits very well, but the claim is iffy and the way it has been used is worse. I've been townreading this slot due to meta until now, but now that this wagon is on L-1 for ages, and it seems no reasons have been put together by any one of the voters, and the wagon just rose so quickly and without resistance.......I have a bad feeling about this. it's like, 4000 posts into the game I'm calling a "gut" and say this is town. If this lynch goes through, and Tier flips town, there *HAVE* to be 1-2 scums on the wagon. NS is out of question, most preferred is probably Reck so far.
8. Wisdom: town. if anyone is actually scumreading this slot I'll elaborate, but in general - this is town wisdom. I played with him a billion times.
9. Reck: seems very fitting to my theory of {tbone, Iece} scum as the third partner. His input this game seems negligible apart from loads and loads of fluff if memory serves right - but that's like reck always is. I always scumread reck, I may be off here. wouldn't want to lynch him anytime soon, I think, but I wouldn't be, like, OPPOSED to him being dead.


I think that's about it.
if there's anything I should talk about tell me.
also

please comment on this post. THOROUGHLY.

[shos]

You can let MS' input go, his comments are practically irrelevant by now, they were posted for pages 130-something and we've passed that. I deem it unworthy~

And Ceph Tier has been playing to his town meta so far, and I haven't had a reason to vote him until now. this wagon on him grew with no resistance and no reasoning, so it is suspicious. I'll analyze his role claim in a moment.

I literally could not be more sick of hearing things like this.

does that mean you disagree? with what?
can you tell me why you are voting Tier, without using the confbiasing argument "cuz he's scum"?

[shos]

what would you guys think about this slot if GICE ever flips scum?

He would still be town for his grey push. And his Tier push. Because both are scum.

What push? link me?

We've had about 15 wagons today none of them with any resistance that wasn't from Wisdom. They can't all be on town.

Because he doesn't have the same win condition as me.

They were simultaneous; as in, counterwagons. This one has none. there was one point - between VCs 3.28 and 3.29 - that everyone just left their wagons and voted Tier to L-1 while he was V/LA, and it happened in like, 10 posts.

1. I think that we should be focusing on the {T-bone, GreyICE, Iecerint} trio, as there's likely a really good chance of hitting scum there. The tracker claim is reaaaally off imo and I'd lynch it first.

Nope, we're lynching Tier.

Wis, I know it's not like you, but I want you to tell me why. Rather, tell me what's wrong in my analysis of thats trio.

and his townclaim on NS has -no- scum motivation behind it - no cred, no benefits - unless he's scum with NS.

lolwat

Are you telling me you've never seen scum claim innos on town?

of course I have; but here? that was completely useless if scum-on-town. NS is the least active player in the game, has no influence on anyone (I think). why would scum do that on HIM?

pedit:
wisdom, tell me what's wrong in my trio analysis.

[shos]

Tier is not town.

can you tell me why you are voting Tier, without using the confbiasing argument "cuz he's scum"?

off to sleep

[shos]

i generally agree with shos's post

So vote Iece with me?

I am still waiting for any input against TS, guys. Iece and Wisdom and Reck, you're all active and on the wagon - please answer.

Currently the only reason I can think of for Tierscum is his stupid push on me, where he seems to give faulty meta which he should correctly read the other way around (like wisdom does).

[shos]

for the record, I'm ignoring like a thousand posts by MS that call me to hammer.

[shos]

Yes it's fucked up.
But if we lynch based on claims, we have.much.bigger fish...

Bah, whagever. intent.to.hammer; waiting.for.GICE.

[shos]

If we get to lylo now for a towntier, kill iece with fire

[shos]

Okiedokie. I wont object to lynching iece first lol too

[shos]

VOTE: Tiershift

That is just bullcrap.

Also guys, if you want to know, you can just ask me
In general, many of the PMs I received from the mod was a repeat of the same, that I do not know.

I was trying to weasel out of him A) whether my night action went through or not B) whether the PM he sent me was supposed to also say that I *have* been targetted C) was the message sent at day or night and after this one D) if you were a supergod, all knowing omnimod who could respond to things that happen within a nanosecond of them happening, would I receive that message on the same time or 5 minutes prior to that. alllll of these have been casually neglected with an answer that says no answer.

[shos]

Well, I've been targetted! Who did that?

[shos]

Also disclaimer: this is the second game in a row where Tiershift-scum is brought from 0 to L-1 when he's VLA xD hilarious.

Will look for associatives after wprk tomorrow

[shos]

Also 2nd time in a row that I hammer tjat wagon lawlz

This goes to the hall of fame

[shos]

I got pissed at tier. Himtown should have known -muvh- better regarding our meta together and apart; and the fact he brought thr Das Boot game like proved to me he was shitting. At that point I was all fuck it.

How comes ns got killed though??? That is a super strange kill imo

Iece who did you tatget?

[shos]

Tbone blocking you doesnt make sense. If you are scum tracker you would have to track for results for town, you will not be the one killing.

If tbone claims that ill fly and kill you both

[shos]

Also iece yiu kindly need to explain to me how you are alive.

[shos]

Lol @ quil being town btw
My entire team was following and scumreading him

[shos]

Meanwhile, MS posted at night:

He thinks that iece is town I disagree firmly
wisdom is his top townread and I agree
grey is his 2nd best townread im nit sure about this, hes in the pool of apRs

Tbone is scum and I need to lynch him(agree+-)
reck is scummy but he doesnt say why (my poe needs an update after tiers bullahit circus so reck is TBD)
He says Ceph is scum but no reasons given and i dunno miller seems fotting+useless power whoch is like NS

At least two scum in {boner, reck, ceph} (i will add iece and say entire scumteam)

MS thinks that ceph was chaining town with scum when he was trying to tie shos and tier together, thats not townie

Asks why the fuck did reck get a pass from everyone(why did that collapse, actually? Good question)

wisdom he says directly to you that he is here for you but lollercopterz he cannot control what I censor from hismy messages

LYNCH TBONER OMGWTFBBQ!!!1!1!111ONE1
^^This shouls be good paraphrasing of everything

[shos]

Wisdom its strange because tracker+roleblocker duh

[shos]

Lpl ceph wtf? XD

I got the message today, it cannot be mistaken about. Bright and clear. And i disnt get it earlieer


Pedit:
I dunno when that post is from lol possibly preflip

[shos]

So im here for a sec. And im being wagoned.

Ceph, let me get this straight
You see my claim, and you supposedly have a direct CC to it, but you forget about it for an entire day, despite all the discussion we had about my claim, yes? And then when Tier dies you suddenly realize it?

That seems superfishy. Looks like desparate attempt to get a mislynch for lylo. Your buddy is widely townread or something?

Tonight I was targetted, I got the PM from the mod and it was clear. That means I wasnt earlier.

This can mean one of three(?) things:
1. Tbone is scum and blocked me on N2
2. Scum redirected me
3. Ceph is scum and his action is not an (A) action or something alike

Im yhinking a Tbone lynch would fit. It fits with the balancing idea too, and with MS' reads.

To help clarify: ceph, elaborate extensivly on your action please



Happy scumday iecescum!

[shos]

@wis and ceph: as i have said in my claim, this counts as targetting myself for all other stufd apart from my own action. My action can be tracked to myself, watched as me targetting me, blocked, redirected (so that i see if X has been targetted)[btw, the pm phrasing does not include my name, so in theory, this result can be of someone else], voyeured, even roleSTOPPED. I asked the mod about this at gamestart.

@wisdom: theres a difference betweeen not noticing that as a bystander and not noticing something that DIRECTLY contradicts what YOU did. Like, you had to send a "target shos" message to the mod, how can you not notice that.

@ceph- I do, so please do. And re boner - I have been trying to lynch iece for a while now, in case you ignore the thread, as it seems from your "miss".

Why did you preaume the ability is passive when i explocitly claimed otherwise?

And scum nees a mislynch today. If they dont get it, the setup will kill them. Gice can confirm the non-PRs, and the PRs can actually get guilties by blocking scum kill or tracking them. Unless - the PRs

are scum,

partly, in which case they need to fake results and reasoning for them. People have wanted you dead like all gamw, so you're a viable sacrifice. If you were scum, gambitting there, getting two PR kills and aislynch in exchange for you dying makes aense imo, and im not even reaching

[shos]

Now my phone is dying and MS has posted LOADS lol so ill continue from hime in ~20 minutes frkm comp

[shos]

Sorry Shos, you lost me at 'MS said' because then I know to disregard the rest of the post.

lol xD
expect more of that soon because

MS said

lots of stuff, soon.

.



really, despite all the shit I'm being given, I'm enjoying this game like hell xD we're all very civil and this game is really interesting and all.
is there an anti-AtE? xD

I mean it's really simple regardless of what you or I or anything think of Ceph forgetting his counterclaim we all KNOW he targeted you Night 2, and you said you didn't receive a self-watch. I didn't roleblock you, and I doubt it would have made a difference to a passive role, as those generally can't be roleblocked.

yes we know that, but ceph not-wanting to elaborate on the mechanics of his role is intriguing. Me not receiving a PM after N2

has

an explanation somewhere in this game, even if we don't know it. if ceph's mechanics is unique too like mine, who knows what the mod meant that would happen. I don't see why ceph would *refuse* to elaborate on that. And for the love of god, this is NOT a passive role.

Then the only other thing is the Ceph knows his action isn't actually an action that can be watched/tracked. They are kinda 1v1 unless we are just wildly misunderstanding how both player's roles work.

interesting. What would a track result be on you, Ceph? you visited TWO people same night? or don't visit at all?
also this is a scummy post, pushing the agenda that this is a 1v1 between me and ceph is scummy because if both town it lines up mislynches. But also that would mean,

wisdom,

that ceph and T-bone are probably

not

scumpartners.


loads of pedits: in a moment

[shos]

@wis and ceph: as i have said in my claim, this counts as targetting myself for all other stufd apart from my own action. My action can be tracked to myself, watched as me targetting me, blocked, redirected (so that i see if X has been targetted)[btw, the pm phrasing does not include my name, so in theory, this result can be of someone else]

This is stupid. I don't believe that this role even exists in the first place.

So why didn't you say so yesterday? it just looks like you're completely skimming the game, you know?

@wisdom: theres a difference betweeen not noticing that as a bystander and not noticing something that DIRECTLY contradicts what YOU did. Like, you had to send a "target shos" message to the mod, how can you not notice that.

Said the king of not cocking up roleclaims. Oh, wait, no, you totally did.

huh.?
I don't know what 'cocking up' means, but in general, this is how I see it:
1. My PoV, or other people's:
I made a list of role claims and info about them. if you notice, it says 'switched shos and ns votes'. It doesn't specify deeply about the technical mechanics of how this happened, and it's in a sea of information. missing it, especially when not looking for it, is perfectly possible, and indeed it happened.
2. your PoV: sees shos claim "I was not targetted N2". you claim that you *literally* had to pm the mod that you target me and NS. I really can't see how you can miss that; especially since there was like, 4, maybe 5 pages all talking about my claim, SPECIFICALLY about the "contradiction" between the claim and an earlier post. People pushed it legitimately, and I explained it thoroughly, and through all this you did not remember that you targetted me?
this sounds odd, at BEST.

@ceph- I do, so please do. And re boner - I have been trying to lynch iece for a while now, in case you ignore the thread, as it seems from your "miss".

Literally not what you just said and I don't even know what the "@ceph" here is even saying.

???
I've been pushing Iece for a long while, how comes you didn't see this? should I start quoting my ISO a billion times.? The @ceph means that I want you to elaborate on your role and how it works, since you deemed my request unworthy or unnecessary or something. I can't see how this hurts you if you were town, so why resist.?

Why did you preaume the ability is passive when i explocitly claimed otherwise?

If it's active, then you have to activate it. Are you telling me you PMed the mod saying "I would like to watch myself tonight"? Get fucking real.

I'm not sure what the hell you think is going on. The role is passive, yes, but it explicitly says, which I have already told everyone, that it counts as me making an action. Consider it a compulsive self watcher, yes? would you as a mod require the person to PM you it? that's stupid, lol, and magua indeed hasn't.

And scum nees a mislynch today. If they dont get it, the setup will kill them. Gice can confirm the non-PRs, and the PRs can actually get guilties by blocking scum kill or tracking them. Unless - the PRs

are scum,

partly, in which case they need to fake results and reasoning for them. People have wanted you dead like all gamw, so you're a viable sacrifice. If you were scum, gambitting there, getting two PR kills and aislynch in exchange for you dying makes aense imo, and im not even reaching

People have wanted me dead at times. They don't anymore. And I have too big an ego as scum to give myself up. Also, Greyice is probably scum, so.

I don't recall any decrease in the people wanting you dead. it's as it's always been - people think you're scum, and nobody's voting, lol. The self meta argument.. *ignores*

Im back to believing shos

VOTE: grey

Wisdom. Stop it.

And if you believe shos and somehow think I am town too, you should probably be voting T-Bone.

This is probably true, though.

[shos]

yes we know that, but ceph not-wanting to elaborate on the mechanics of his role is intriguing.

What? It works exactly the way you'd expect it does. Why would I be a ninja vote switcher? That would be stupid.

it's a stupid role anyway, and there seems to be something wrong here, so I'm not assuming anything. What would a track result on you be?


pedit:
@reck, read the game please.

[shos]

Ceph, you made like 3 factual mistakes, one is supposedly HUGE, and me saying that you're skimming the game is discredit?
and why is the role stupid, I don't understand; but even if - aren't reck/wisdom/kats/cabd's roles stupid too? why is this suddenly different?
~~~
by you mean...?
~~~
T-bone being scum is the currently best explanation I have to what you're claiming. So yes, I don't see how it's absurd. This push started only after you suddenly found out your CC.
~~~
Why is it so hard for you to imagine that my role can be blocked.? And why didn't you voice this when I stated it first time?
~~~
dude I've been literally fighting against your lynch when wisdom pushed it. I think others were willing too, don't quite remember.


holy shit pedits...so many peeps online..

[shos]

why isn't it shos v ceph

Why the fuck would it be shos v ceph? How can ceph be scum given WE KNOW the vote switch happened and therefore he isn't lying?

you know only that it happened, you don't know how, by whom, or anything at all, if scum roles are involved. I can see how he thinks this is a 1v1 between me and ceph, but in reality, considering Tbone's claim, I think it's much more likely to be a 1v1 between me and Tbone. I can do both lol; but ceph would argue it's a 1v1 between me and T-bone, and Tbone already argued it's a 1v1 between me and ceph(expectedly..) so

BUT WE KNOW HE DID

you know it happened, you don't know he did it. I claim scummates' roles often as scum. if with results, even better.

[shos]

I'm asking why you're not voting shos right fucking now

BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING TOWN.

Is it so hard to consider there is an alternative that causes both Ceph and shos to be town? For example, Tbone blocking shos N2?

Reck, I think the reason Wisdom is so hard-reading me as town is because of the 5-minutes thing that could only be confirmed to HIM because of timestamps on D2 start. practically nobody else can have this confirmed, so it's harder for you to believe.

this claim is worse than Tier's 1s self invent

p.edit: I guess nothing actually makes Ceph scum since he confirmed his ability. It reads to me like shos just fucked up his claim and is scum

lol two bad fakeclaims in a shosscum game? if that ever happens I have to take a biiiig hiatus from mafia..


OMFG STOP THE PEDITS PEOPLE HERE HAVE LIFE

[shos]

@wis and ceph: as i have said in my claim, this counts as targetting myself for all other stufd apart from my own action. My action can be tracked to myself, watched as me targetting me, blocked, redirected (so that i see if X has been targetted)[btw, the pm phrasing does not include my name, so in theory, this result can be of someone else]

This is stupid. I don't believe that this role even exists in the first place.

So why didn't you say so yesterday? it just looks like you're completely skimming the game, you know?

Discredit more.

Ceph, you made like 3 factual mistakes, one is supposedly HUGE, and me saying that you're skimming the game is discredit?

Oh, please. I didn't bother processing the details of your crappy fakeclaim. Sue me. I barely read your posts, because they are all terrible.

[shos]

Also it's a HUGE LEAP to say that T-Bone decided to fake that he BLOCKED THE DEAD DOCTOR instead of doing something people could believe as town and claiming he blocked shos.

Your theory would have to mean that T-Bone blocked shos... NOBODY got Rhinox's loud notification... shos's ability didn't work because it is an active self-watch that actually targets (lol)... and T-Bone somehow knew the right thing to claim was to have blocked the dead doctor, thereby making him look like shit?

I don't get it.
Tbone's claimed actions have literally been the worst choices if he's town, we've discussed that ages ago. if he is scum, and rhinox targetted scum, then it explains why nobody got rhinox' message, allows Tbone to claim to target the dead guy AND reinforce tbone's claim, and prevent him from explaining a scum-reasoned roleblock. win-win-win-win.

if you guys still think my claim is bullshit, I'd remind you that I had claimed all this BEFORE all this shitstorm. if I miraculously expected all this to happen, fuck me, I'm the best scum ever in the history of the game. This theory assumes just one thing - that tbone blocked me - and all the rest of the puzzle pieces fit like a glove.

[shos]

MS is spamming the fuck out of the team PT guys I'll take a while to post it and then I'll keep reading

[shos]

Soooo starting MS' posts. holy shit, his ISO in the team PT is over 3 pages.

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

2. MS has been calling ceph scum a lot and woooops here comes omgus (not sure I voiced this?)

3. ceph and iece are super eager to quickly vote me but iece is town and I should stop being dumb thanks but you all need to stick sometthing up your butts

4. scum nightkill was super stupid, why the fuck would anyone do that he was useless and not realy conftown because grey might be scum
~~~
5. Wisdom is superdupertown for 4222 and 4162 asking for MS' input and he's 99% sure wisdom is town. that 1% because LOL QUILFORD(I'm laughing my ass over here) and MSreads Inc. says anyone calling wis scum is scum.

6. Iece is a pretty strong townread for him somehow, I don't even get it, setup balance, anyone?!?...anyway - he seems to be thinking really, and the OP town argument is "silly" although it reminds him of something wisdom(????) <<<what?

7. will reevaluate iece later

8. Iece 4111 LOL OOBA WTF

9. 4163 by tier sounds like not-partner talking, and basically says that ceph and tbone scumreading me makes them scum because town can't possibly scumread me *sigh*

10. Grey is still town despite being MIA, and actually it's better that he's MIA because people scumread him and that means he won't be NKed. he has faith in grey

11. I should give MS credit for pushing me to hammer lol

12. ceph you're in danger of murder for 4307

13. 4340 is scummy and chaining lynches (hey I said that first!!!)

14. reck doesn't fit into the picture and he doesn't know how to read him right now

15. picks for scum are boner and ceph, but reck is also lynchable.

~~~

16. there must be a logical explanation for me not getting the PM on N2 (needs to be said: Mod allowed me to quote him to the team PT). after all everything in the game is 'mod error mafia' so scum probably have unique roles just as much as town does, which we see in the list of roleclaims everywhere. Also nice job shos for the table

17. scum probably are now trying to use the new stuff that happened to line up two mislynches and win the game before 3p lylo

18. is Tbone's claim just RB? nothing more?
<I answer>
~~~
19. then burn him alive~
ceph, if by any chance you are not scum, then the discrepancy CAN be explained, the theme is mod fuckery, don't jump to conclusions

20. how the fuck do people not lynch teh VANILLA roleblocker - seems like everyone has a special cool thing added to their role and he's the only one who claimed to be a simple role which is usually scum anyway. "When the mod doesn't give you a cool role"? <<<LOLZ

21. lynch tbone and nobody else until he's dead it'll also most likely solve the ceph shitstorm. he has a best scum performance scummie it all fits
~~~
22. reck fuck off (dunno about what lol) scum don't fuck up claims in team mafia,(I said this before!!) consider that they have practically 12 players on a single team to best their fakeclaims and make them failproof. (AGREED)

23. <curses to reck> <very unique wording> <omfg> just be careful when you sit lol
~~
24. scum have daytalk reck
~~
25. post 4443 is funny coming from boner, especially after he caught you in 5 pages in 2nd fortnight (?????) thank zoraster for something(??) or the scummy would be his(?????)
~~



holy shit that took me years to post

[shos]

What?

Okay, no -- if T-Bone is scum, then why would he FAKECLAIM having blocked the DEAD DOCTOR who everyone was READING AS TOWN? That's suicidal. And it also relies on one of his scumbuddies being the one protected by Rhinox, and relies on that person NOT claiming they were protected by Rhinox.

Scum wouldn't have been told they were targeted by Rhinox until start of D3. How would they have had time to get their claim right? The only way that works is if scum have daytalk/encryptor... and work very fast. Because T-Bone claimed pretty quickly at the start of D3, didn't leave much time to strategize.

lol, I realize that MS has commented on this before me, lol

Reck, scum MADE THE KILL. the could plan it at night, no need for daytalk, even.

[shos]

that's impressive, I wrote that huge post and you guys blabbed more than 2 pages without saying anything in that while. you're both just throwing mud at each other and I'm not sure what I'm getting out of it. I strictly agree with wisdom on almost everything, and disagree with reck on almost everything, but it's diverting to personal attacks so guys, please stfu and focus

[shos]

town can't possibly scumread me *sigh*

Thats how I feel too, but I realize they probably havent played with you.

I played with reck, but I can't read him shit for his horrible playstyle imo, he's like ALWAYS scumread by me. I played loads with Tier, which is why his accusations against me sucked and made me vote him. I also played with kats and grey, none of the others I think. :/

hey shos, how did you make your table and write down that i targeted you without realizing the problem

also, i skimmed tier's iso. he looks like scum with the people i already suspect and looks like not scum with reck.

I wrote you switched votes, not targetted both of us to switch out votes. didn't think about it. how did YOU miss that, though, that's baffling me. I don't know if I should make scumread out of this or not. the subsequent posts in this day were awful but this mistake - it's like, totally fucking wierd.

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

intrigue me, what was scum theater? can you elaborate or 'unnecessary' again?

/inb4 "I DUN MAKE CASES"

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

I agree. Wisdom's negging was what caused me to take a look on Tier, and it was Tier himself who made me vote him finally. I don't think that wagon would have gone through without my vote, I would say. Tier caused me to vote, and him alone. before he came out of his VLA, I was against the wagon if you recall - the wagon grew while he was VLA, and nobody gave ANY reasoning.

What?

Okay, no -- if T-Bone is scum, then why would he FAKECLAIM having blocked the DEAD DOCTOR who everyone was READING AS TOWN? That's suicidal. And it also relies on one of his scumbuddies being the one protected by Rhinox, and relies on that person NOT claiming they were protected by Rhinox.

Scum wouldn't have been told they were targeted by Rhinox until start of D3. How would they have had time to get their claim right? The only way that works is if scum have daytalk/encryptor... and work very fast. Because T-Bone claimed pretty quickly at the start of D3, didn't leave much time to strategize.

lol, I realize that MS has commented on this before me, lol

Reck, scum MADE THE KILL. the could plan it at night, no need for daytalk, even.

THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW HE WAS THE KILL OR A DOCTOR OR THAT HE WOULD GIVE OUT LOUD RESULT

are you kidding me?
scum didn't know he was the kill?
also there are more than one way of knowing he was loud doc. who did he target N1, again.?

[shos]

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

because it came out of nowhere and only when tier was obviously getting hammered?

I'm pretty confident that lynching tbone grey and shos will end the game.

so you're sure Iece is town, grey is scum, and one of {me,tbone} are scum? why aren't you pushing GreyICE then?
also did we get Iece's result by now? or are we waiting for Grey to appear?

also, this:

Because Tier knew there was pressure on shos. Many people expressed that they could lynch shos. So he tried to get a push on shos in his desperation. I don't understand where you see scumtheatre.

is 100% what I wanted to say. desperation at L-1 causes you to invest your time, trust me, I know. Also, I should remind you that he

WAS

V/LA, so this may have been planned previously and he just wasn't there to post.

[shos]

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info	Fakeclaim
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
TierShift	"When the mod forgets to send a role PM"	Framer		Lynched D3	1-shot self-inventor
notscience	"When the Mod Posts the Flip Too Early"	Doublevoter	Hated	GreyICE says he has no night actions
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	Switched shos and NS' votes on N2
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability N2: notscience does not have a night ability
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Modified Self-Watcher		The ability counts as active. Not targetted N1. Not targetted N2.
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Eddie N1 Blocked Rhinox N2 Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere.
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

reposting with updates. NS' flavor is super awesome btw, because it fits for both the Hated AND the doublevoter!!! cool!
btw, nobody even commented on my analysis in that post. please do.

[shos]

although... hm

If it DOES mean what we think it means, then scum were targeted N1, found out Rhinox targeted them (do they know it's doc?) and then killed him N2. So I doubt they blocked Rhinox AND killed him, meaning T-Bone would've blocked shos, I guess.

I told you, it all makes fucking sense.

@ceph:
MS says that take a look at posts:
173, 287, 530, 1442, 1947 and extraspecially 2782 that cannot be faked

he says he got these just by ctrl+f ing 'shos'. he says these are not scum interacting with each other, and you should get out of the tunnel and start thinking out of the confbias.

@reck:
MS says Tier sucks, and tbone was playing safe with a tracker known to be in the setup (he still thinks iece is town..) and it's just a wrong move.

~~
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58377
MS blabbed a lot on this link, saying that reck can definitely be scum, he caught him in first few posts and reck spiting him made him replace out and then reck fliped third party or something??

I can't keep up
I'm going to kung fu


OMFG MORE PEDITS I WANT TO LEAVE GUYS

[shos]

@ceph:
I didn't influence that wagon, I also didn't say I did; wisdom did - but my hammer was the thing that actually made it happen, I doubt others would've done that instead.

WHERE WAS I MISREPPING RECK THERE
HE LITERALLY SAID "THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW HE WAS THE KILL" <<<<copy pasted

if you think that all scum are in {list} that means that ALL THE REST ARE TOWN IT IS REALLY THAT FUCKING EASY. AND YOU SAY IT IS A 1v1 BETWEEN ME AND TBONE SO ONLY ONE OF US IS SCUM, RIGHT?!?!? OR IS THIS SCUM THEATER TOOOO???

[shos]

if you're going to update your totally helpful table of helpfulness, at least update it properly

what did I miss?

/goes to kung fu

[shos]

Phoneposr

I just realized - i was targetted tonight - that means i am the result pf the track - so i shpuld be cpnfirmed to wosdom as targetting self no?

[shos]

Also im gettin worrid tbone might trulu be town thay means some othwr scum rolw made thw clusterfuck. Scum seem unimaginably underppwered so far so they must have good stuff hiding

[shos]

I'm not trusting this thougj

Tbones actionsmake absolutely NO SENSE as town. We can apeculate as much as we want about ir but if anyone cab give me a ainglw good reason aa town to do his actionsa...

And people please respond to my setp analysis in the post where i posted the tablw

[shos]

back on comp
I mean town seems to have loads of powers. for a framer to actually work you need realll good luck, frankly in my 4 years here I haven't seen any framed guy actually being copped.

I will update the table as ceph said and post some more MS reads for you guys to have in lylo after I die

[shos]

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info	Fakeclaim
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
TierShift	"When the Mod Messes Up Investigations"	Framer		Lynched D3	1-shot self-inventor "When the mod forgets to send a role PM"
notscience	"When the Mod Posts the Flip Too Early"	Doublevoter	Hated	Killed N3. GreyICE says he has no night actions
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	????? N1 Switched shos and NS' votes on N2 ????? N3
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability. N2: notscience does not have a night ability. N3: ????
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox N3 tracked ????, gave to Wisdom
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Modified Self-Watcher		The ability counts as active. Not targetted N1. Not targetted N2. Yes targetted N3.
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Eddie N1 Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere. Blocked Rhinox N2 Blocked Reck N3
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2 Messaged ???? D3 Messaged ???? D4
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

still waiting for responses to this post.

This better, ceph?

[shos]

Ceph did you do anything N1 and N3?
if not, why not?

[shos]

oh forgive me for not remembering everything by heart, yes? funny how you compare this to not noticing a direct CC to your night action..

and I have no idea where you claimed and no intent to bother searching for it, but really, how did this go unpunished?

you thought your ability was a day action, so you tried to use it at day, and failed because it's day, and then it became N1 and you missed it? or did you just not even intend on using it on D1? and if so why wouldn't you use it D1?

[shos]

MS thoughts time.
@4532ceph: "someone else would have voted tier". he says that not necessarily, not at all. who do you think would? this game's wagosn are volatile and super swingy, and just like the reck wagon turned in a second, the tier wagon could just as weel.

"but i doubt i'll agree anything can't be faked that's happened between them" - this is confbiasing by definition. if you search 'shos' in tiers ISO you'll see it 110 times. he hasn't seen a game where scum-scum interact soooo much. this should be obvious even from a third person PoV, not just him who knows the alignments.

@reck 4533: third party=scum. he DID catch you and you went lord of fucks and made him replace out, sadly. the point he is making is that reck can definitely be abrasive as a means to an end.


pedit:
no, it's not, you did not claim to have targetted me at night to switch my vote, the votes just switched and I was phonereading at the time, ISO me and see how I was raging about my vote not being on tbone. you had targetted me and I explicitly said that I was not targetted. how on earth would you go over that and not notice.

pedit2:
Iece, for fucks sake, let people answer for themselves. it's impossible to catch scum for inconsistency when YOU answer my questions for them. *sigh*

anyway, why is it antitown? it was figured out immediately and did not affect the game at all.

pedit:
ohhhhhhh I get it. hmmmm.

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Iece can you not confirm me by track?

pedit: after I'm dead that's another conftown's opinion so if you don't want to interact with him fine but stop shutting me up goddammit

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actually that would be wisdom - can you out the result please it should sorta prove my role?

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fair enough.
VOTE: T-bone.

if this flip is town, then scum must have superpowaz.

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can we have a prod on GreyICE?

wisdom, can you confirm or not?

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No wayz!!

So how the fuckdid you guys lynch Grey after tracking him to meeeee

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Lol wild guess? ;__;

This is the first game I fucked up my fakeclaim in my entire career

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Fucking amazing
I cannot believe I got caught like that. Of all roles, THIS is my bane Y.Y

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Well grey didnt talk much. Tier and I filled the PT enough for him and lambda together lol

N1 shot was great thlugh

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Sigh. Got really unlucky there. But we can taje comfort in that our night actions were very meaningful