NY 184: a help (done)

Titus · Post Post #1365 (isolation #0) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:11 am

How does EPN have no votes when RC voted them a couple pages back?

VOTE: epm

That is what I want a first glance. He wasn't on the Lostaway wagon. EPM made a post that is psychologically suggestive. He votes RC very large and prominent but switches to Flubber more subtly.

Given the game is a large, we are look at two on and two off...most likely.

If I had to guess a team, it would be EPM/Flubber/Ank/????? but Ank is weaker because he always looks summer to me.

Titus · Post Post #1368 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:05 am

I am working on not posting as much. It's easier to do that when not wagoned but we will see what happens when I am.

Boonskiies could be scum. Most of my reads come from a VCA eyeball and a glance over the last few pages.

Titus · Post Post #1440 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:24 pm

Elyse, when I feel better, I am making it a priority to sort you.

EPM, you really don't recall the last game we played together? Before that game, my VCA was never wrong. By lynching you (likely scum),'I also get other reads based on the other things sense.

Titus · Post Post #1442 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:33 pm

Oh EPM, that RC wagon won't work. It's just bad bad all sorts of bad based on the vc yesterday.

@Elyse, Join me on EPM?

Titus · Post Post #1446 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:56 pm

In post 1443, Grimmjow wrote:
In post 1436, Flubbernugget wrote:Still waiting for a town case on him too

Because someone needs to prove to you that I'm town? Thaaaaaaat's not how this works.

It is for a tunneller.

Titus · Post Post #1449 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:00 pm

@EPM, I didn't miss the part where EPM was a constant counter wagon to the Bulge and Lostaway. Self-voting AtE is not good but the rate of steam at the end plus this being the second attempt at the Lostaway wagon suggest scum were avoiding bussing and piled on at the end.

Titus · Post Post #1450 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:01 pm

RC was the counter wagon...not EPM

Titus · Post Post #1453 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:44 pm

In post 1451, Grimmjow wrote:Tidus, I have never played a forum game with you. Give me a reason to think you're town kthnx

I have a huge meta selection if you care. Just click the link. I don't prove myself town by townhouses.

That being said, you didn't want to answer flubber when he asked for you to prove you're town, why ask me?

Titus · Post Post #1454 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:46 pm

In post 1452, evilpacman18 wrote:Nah, The Bulge (who you and I both know was town) was a counterwagon to RC. Meanwhile RC recognized that Lostaway was suspicious from her opening post and started distancing. Lostaway wasn't a counterwagon to anything, there just wasn't enough support for the big two but people agreed that Lost had never actually looked good (as I said, I'd just ignored her cuz other things caught my attention more). You're right about scum piling on at the end but you should be voting RC or Boonskiies if you actually realize that.

Are you seriously trying to quibble with me over the definition of counter wagon? If two legit options exist they are counterwagons.

I am voting you because of your puss poor vote pattern day 1. Deal with it.

Titus · Post Post #1459 (isolation #9) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:49 am

@Bro, I do not scream town. Deal with it and help me lynch EPM or ask me a question.

@EPM, She doesn't need to choose. While I am generally not a busser, she wouldn't know I am town from a day or two of posting. There's no reason to eliminate me bussing. I took advantage of that belief in another game where I subbed into a boned scum slot and immediately tunnelled my buddies. She will figure out I am town, provided she's her usual town self. I don't need her to stop scumreading me to vote you.

I find it more telling that you immediately call my VCA weak, then start quibbling over the definition of counter wagon rather than asking me to elaborate on why the VCA points to you as scum. The only elaboration you asked for was why not RC.
When I answered, I also said I would learn things based on your flip. Follow-up...zero.

Your responses have told me you are focusing more on what you want done (lynching RC) than sorting me.

Titus · Post Post #1462 (isolation #10) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:04 am

@Flubber it could be your persuasion rather than you being wrong.

Give me a summary of your case please?

What do you think of EPM?

Titus · Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:47 am

@Boonskiies, I am at L-1 and I am a 1-shot super wagon sensor. I can pm the mod anything to ask the number of town and scum on any wagon and he'll format the results for me. Then he will write me a check for one million dollars if all the scum are on the same wagon. Hehe.

Titus · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:36 am

Nope. Not at L minus 1.

Titus · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:56 am

It was a joke. :p

Titus · Post Post #1496 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:46 pm

In post 1487, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1462, Titus wrote:@Flubber it could be your persuasion rather than you being wrong.

Give me a summary of your case please?

What do you think of EPM?

Case on Grimm:

-contradictions in wallposts

-chainsaw at rc in defense of lost followed by an awkward bus

-jabs at people with no follow up

I don't have a read on RPM but I'm willing to sheep the general scum read. That being said I think Grimm deserves more attention for staying under the radar. He's not a player you want to try and re-read come lylo

Which posts have contradictions? About what?

I've accounted for VCA right now and I don't see Grimm as more outstanding than EPM at this time.

I'll keep an eye on him, but I'm not persuaded by your case.

@Grimm, It's Titus. :-p

Titus · Post Post #1514 (isolation #15) » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:02 pm

This is the weakest push I have ever done. It's almost like inverted, the less I try, the more likely it is for people to get lynched.

Still glad EPM is likely scum.

Titus · Post Post #1518 (isolation #16) » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:20 pm

In post 1515, Grimmjow wrote:Wtf just happened? Why did this passive half-assed lynch occur? So many people were tiptoeing around this and then suddenly bam? Wtf?

If I am wrong on EPM, Grimm looks scummy.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:11 am

In post 1524, Elyse wrote:VOTE: MattP

Awkward stances on both scum wagons, wasn't on either, and hasn't died yet.

I know a lot of people are townreading him but whateva. This is what I'm thinking. The lynch yesterday was fast at the end so it's hard to tell who actually wanted to stay off it. Bro is town and Ank looks better as well.

You're likely holding inconsistent views. If Bro is town, then MattP can only be town or godfather.

Yet, the fact Bro lives suggests his claim on the last page of being hinder is false. He said if he died, look at Grimm, thus that he was behind Grimm. Grimm died but Bro did not. Why?

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:14 am

In post 1525, MattP wrote:Pisskop killed Grimm last night obviously and definitely copped N1 gonna go explore!

Why would Pisskop kill Grimm if Grimm believed Bro's claim?

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:17 am

In post 1510, BROseidon wrote:I'm basically claiming my role here >.>

In post 1508, BROseidon wrote:Also MattP I have faith in you if I die.

In post 1507, BROseidon wrote:Oh yeah if I die tonight pressure Grimm hard.

Implication: Bro claims hider; n1 his behind MattP; N2 his behind Grimm.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:21 am

Well, then what is it then?

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:22 am

By the way, my VCA crystal ball says no MattP lynch.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:36 am

VOTE: BRO

Too long.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:48 am

Boon is very much in my pool but Bro to me is a logical scum claim.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:56 am

Can I get a list of relevant claims? Th, never read as usual.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:58 am

Does Godfather return inno to GS?

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:09 pm

Matt, I believe I am The Bulge. Reset.

Flubber, I just want current ones for my VCA work.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:11 pm

When there are two heavy wagons on town (me plus RC), I expect 1-2 scum off and 1-2 scum on wagon.

We deduce RC likely town bc counter to Lostaway.

Hence part of my push on EPM.

Titus · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:19 pm

Claims.
So I can check my work on VCAs. For instance, if Bro is town, then Elyse and Vonflare are likely town. It's a double check mechanism. I don't want to see more claims, just the ones that exist.

Titus · Post Post #1581 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:28 pm

@MattP, I am inclined to agree but I would leave open a two scum universe. My reads right now are Elyse and Bro for scum.

Titus · Post Post #1584 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:31 pm

Godfathers are a thing though.

Titus · Post Post #1590 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:36 pm

^^^Too much speculation. I have seen mods roll GF as completely investigation immune, not just cops, hence why I asked.

Second, your scenario means that scum have been falling out of the way to bus while town are attacking each other and we have managed to lynch scum through that?

Titus · Post Post #1594 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:42 pm

So you're saying the sample PM is fake???

Titus · Post Post #1597 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:51 pm

I am thinking Bro's claim of being GS is obviously fake. Why would a GS leave us with precisely the wrong impression of what his results were?
By claiming Elyse is his check, he can buddy the fuck up to Elyse (provided three scum) or lie and clear Elyse (four scum). I am leaning the three scum variant given Elyse repeatedly voting Lostaway is pretty good although Elyse chainsaw my admittedly limited VCA and still tunnelling with me being right is off.

Titus · Post Post #1601 (isolation #34) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:02 pm

Lostaway (9):

Elyse, BROseidon,

Grimmjow, pisskop,

Ankamius,

Kinetic,

VysePresident, Boonskiies,

RadiantCowbells

-- LYNCH
RadiantCowbells (4):

evilpacman18, Lostaway,

The Bulge, Flubbernugget

Looking at the day 1 lynch wagon, I know I am not scum. Weak lean not Flubber as I cannot see all three scum voting RC here.

Titus (4): Elyse, pisskop, BROseidon, Boonskiies
Flubbernugget (2): Grimmjow, evilpacman18

evilpacman18 (4): RadiantCowbells, Titus, pisskop, Boonskiies

Pisskop jump causes Boonskiies jump. Major red flag for Boonskiies.

My lynch pile today is Elyse Bro or Boonskiies.

Titus · Post Post #1602 (isolation #35) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 1599, MattP wrote:N1 mafia got a gunsmith result, N2 they didn't. BRO claimed two no gun results on vonplare and elyse. If he were scum he would have had to guess gun result on at least one of them (unless one is scum with him, which I doubt?) so the risk isnt worth it, BRO is town

Role cop, desperate measures, etc.

Titus · Post Post #1603 (isolation #36) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:05 pm

RC is yellow because she's very likely town barring a massive scumpiracy they bombed. The odds are abysmal.

Titus · Post Post #1623 (isolation #37) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:12 pm

VOTE: Boonskiies

I am not getting Bro lynched. Elyse cannot be lynched without people seeing logic that Bro is fakeclaiming if town. @Bro, if you are legit and you checked Elyse, do not be a fucking idiot next time you get Cornish roles Ty.

Titus · Post Post #1628 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:18 am

@Bro, I never would have gotten to your "trail" after seeing your "trail" at the end of yesterday. Reading that, Elyse town looks like a really confident read but you checked MattP. Saying MattP is town at the same time gives a clear message...That you checked MattP not Elyse. Why the confusion?

Titus · Post Post #1633 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:31 am

Ank my prelim VCA says Bro or Boonskiies is scum.

Titus · Post Post #1634 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:32 am

Forgot Elyse there but she might be there solely due to ineptitude.

Titus · Post Post #1636 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:36 am

Bro, Grimm is dead. No one can verify your hood claim.

I call bad reads shitty and say 100% town without being a cop. You intended those posts to be read together. You got a problem with me, cop me. If you lie and claim I am scum, we 1 v 2. Even if I lose that 1 v 1, I win as you confscum yourself. Let's lynch Boonskiies.

Titus · Post Post #1635 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:36 am

Bro, Grimm is dead. No one can verify your hood claim.

I call bad reads shitty and say 100% town without being a cop. You intended those posts to be read together. You got a problem with me, cop me. If you lie and claim I am scum, we 1 v 2. Even if I lose that 1 v 1, I win as you confscum yourself. Let's lynch Boonskiies.

Titus · Post Post #1642 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:40 am

RC, MattP is likely town.

Can we talk? We were so in sync yesterday?

Titus · Post Post #1643 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:42 am

In post 1637, BROseidon wrote:Nope! Grimm's neighborize still went off last night!

Then who else is in your hood?

And if they are not ripping you a new one over your end of day play yesterday, they deserve to be smacked.. more than you.

Titus · Post Post #1645 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:56 am

VCA Vonflare.

Look at the vote counts. That's what I do.

Look at wagon composition.

Titus · Post Post #1647 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:08 am

Yeah, don't worry if yours is not as good as mine but I am a fan by doing.

Titus · Post Post #1649 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:08 am

Start by coloring all flips. Then work things out.

Titus · Post Post #1650 (isolation #48) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:10 am

In post 1648, RadiantCowbells wrote:Titus, if I supported VCA I'd instalynch you.

You're doing it wrong then because when we were both wagoned (well me as Bulge) both flipped scum were on the sidelines. Big flag both current wagons were on town. See Anen's gamestate theory.

Titus · Post Post #1653 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:23 am

Regardless of is an indication of abstract thinking, not alignment unless said player is not usually an abstract thinker.

OS is Boonskiies and therefore possibly scum so I am not looking at the OS vote as bad. Boon voting EPM is such a transparent bus though. He has been in the middle of wagons since joining.

Titus · Post Post #1655 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:36 am

.... You need the colored posts to do that? I will do that today.

I did color a few earlier.

Titus · Post Post #1657 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:07 am

No problem. If you want to spoiler VCAs and color them, I have done so in many other games. For speed

Step.1, I SO mod.
Step 2, Quote posts with VCs.
Step 3, Delete all color tags with find replace.
Step 4, Replace all replacements.
Step 5, Replace all flips with revealed alignment. Post.

Titus · Post Post #1658 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:08 am

Optional Step 6, Spoiler tag.

Titus · Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:24 pm

RC, what would it take for you to vote Boonskiies here? MattP ain't scum.

Titus · Post Post #1693 (isolation #54) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:07 pm

In post 1681, RadiantCowbells wrote:Which would make you fit snugly into the category of

It's likely the remaining scum has been playing a strong game

Context of now, the last scum is likely not influential and would want to be on the EPM wagon before the flip. Last scum couldn't afford to defend EPM there, especially after my VCA suggested he was scum. (A) His buddy was always the weakest but frankly if Bro is town the rest played out beautifully.

Titus · Post Post #1694 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:08 pm

*weakest in terms of VCA measure.

Titus · Post Post #1708 (isolation #56) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:14 am

Why is it bad for town Flubber to do that knowing he'll be lynched though? If he was a town person, I would agree.

Titus · Post Post #1753 (isolation #57) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:29 pm

Nah, my vca strongly suggested Bro scum, so I pushed. I ever read upon replacing in. If Bro is town, Boonskiies is the only plausible scum left.

Bookies has been lynch shopping like mad.

I push "beyond all reason" as my modus operandi. See survivor. I pushed Ank beyond all reason (hint this is tame), and I was right that Ank was not town. I don't but cop claims with shitty crumbs. Nature of being me.

Titus · Post Post #1754 (isolation #58) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:31 pm

I do not do groupthink. Period. Lynch me for it but Bro claim on who he gun checked is shit. If he's honest, then I will want to lynch him every time he claims cop because his actions don't match his crumbs.

Titus · Post Post #1774 (isolation #59) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:08 pm

Very town sided scenario plus impossible.

Boo skies actually being a backup would inject randomness into the game which does not happen in a normal.

Titus · Post Post #1777 (isolation #60) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:10 pm

Nope. That was lost away.

A backup triggers if anyone dies.

Titus · Post Post #1779 (isolation #61) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:10 pm

There cannot be two backups for the same role.

Titus · Post Post #1782 (isolation #62) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:11 pm

Nope. You fake claimed to remove yourself from the lynch pool. We will see I am town.

Titus · Post Post #1785 (isolation #63) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:13 pm

In post 1781, Boonskiies wrote:I'm odd-night only back up. the odd night is only for the back up. they are even-night only.

Doesn't matter.

3 cops and two backups does not happen.

Mass claim breaks this on day fucking 2 if bro and boon are both town.

Titus · Post Post #1787 (isolation #64) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:14 pm

In post 1784, Boonskiies wrote:If the gunsmith died on an even-night, I wouldn't get the power, but Lost would. Odd-night-only, I get the power, and I'm assuming Lost's role pm modifier thing had is the flipside.

Now you're just adding shit on. That would mean no trigger or randomness if day lynch.

Titus · Post Post #1790 (isolation #65) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:18 pm

Wow now we even help scum fix their claims...

Titus · Post Post #1795 (isolation #66) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:22 pm

Then no one gets the backup during lynch...

That's not how backups work. Backups trigger when a person dies. Lost away could only check on even nights.

Titus · Post Post #1796 (isolation #67) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:23 pm

In post 1793, MattP wrote:
In post 1790, Titus wrote:Wow now we even help scum fix their claims...

Boon said it first, I just altered the wording, but the meaning was the same?

Regardless, I PMd the mod, so we'll see.

Sorry you had to deal with such a town-strong setup

But I am town. You will see that when you lynch me.

Titus · Post Post #1799 (isolation #68) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:26 pm

Or maybe omg one of the cop claims is fucking fake.

Titus · Post Post #1800 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:27 pm

In post 1798, Boonskiies wrote:Titus, I've been backup roles before. Haha. I know how the backup modifier works. I understand it's a different form of it. I wouldn't try and fake claim something like this...

@Matt - Yeah, it's more town sided.

I have played backup role games while you were in the noob queue, as Ank can attest.

Titus · Post Post #1806 (isolation #70) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:32 pm

I don't care for the fucking PoE as it is based on scum claims.

I am not voting Matt even to save myself RC. He is town.

Titus · Post Post #1812 (isolation #71) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:38 pm

RC and I are town in any half competent VCA...but oh wait, you're lynching the VCA expert. Just hurry up and do it if you're going to mislynch me.

Titus · Post Post #1813 (isolation #72) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:40 pm

In post 1808, RadiantCowbells wrote:Titus, you've seen my town game.

How many favours do I need to call in to get this lynch?

Side note, I think Boonskiies is onto something.

Enough favors...hmm lynch me first. That's the way a Matt lynch happens.

Then you're both wrong and find Boon or Bro laughing at you.

Titus · Post Post #1817 (isolation #73) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:59 pm

Right there so scum can claim Backup anything.

Titus · Post Post #1834 (isolation #74) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:54 am

Why the hell are mods changing the fucking definition of roles?

Why the hell would Boon know about that change?

I am town but just hammer me to get this stupidity over with. A full gunsmith that cannot keep his claim straight and Boon who knows modifications. MattP defending scum.

Yeah I am back at square 1 and useless but for my vca which strongly suggests the PRs are lying or a critical glitch occurred and RC is scum and I don't like that.

So whatever we have lost. Nothing I can do helpful but die.

Titus · Post Post #1835 (isolation #75) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:55 am

In post 1833, Flubbernugget wrote:My role pm does not state that I have a gun

The mod never pmed me but I feel moderately ok in saying a ft does not have a gun.

Titus · Post Post #1836 (isolation #76) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:57 am

You would think I would know the mods shenanigans if scum? But nope, we are lynching Titus because she does not agree with us.

Titus · Post Post #1846 (isolation #77) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:37 am

Matt, where did RC claim jailkeeper?

Titus · Post Post #1848 (isolation #78) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:44 am

RC, stop with the bullshit. He has to answer that and his answer will tell me a lot.

Titus · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:08 am

In post 1850, MattP wrote:
In post 1819, RadiantCowbells wrote:JK of course. I'm a full Annie.

RC said this

Cant wait to see what you derive from me reading a post and comprehending it to mean what it says *thumbsup*

That is not a claim of jk. RC may have been right. Oh well. You are next because no one questions the claims.

I was town. Pretty obvious to any competent vca. 2 scum off two major wagons.

Titus · Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:09 pm

Mental vla

My good friend just got sent to the hospital. I play mafia as a distraction but if I seem distracted please deal with it.

X-post all games.

Titus · Post Post #1885 (isolation #81) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:57 pm

In post 1883, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you're claiming mason claim it for reals because that means we're looking at 4 scum guaranteed and scum will probably already know if you're telling the truth.

The mason claim is not likely serious.

Titus · Post Post #1889 (isolation #82) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:29 pm

In post 1886, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 1885, Titus wrote:
In post 1883, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you're claiming mason claim it for reals because that means we're looking at 4 scum guaranteed and scum will probably already know if you're telling the truth.

The mason claim is not likely serious.

This is why I'm not believing Titus isn't scum until he flip. If there's a 4th scum, this is communicating to the final scum partner. There is no town motive to saying that right now, as if scum for some reason believed it, I could easily have soaked up a NK, which would be awesome right now.

Playing till the flip I see.

There's absolute town motivation in highlighting what is an obvious joke.