NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Garmr]

confirm

VOTE: Kling
Because she is everyone and scum must be someone

[Garmr]

VOTE: Dragonspawn

[Garmr]

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

Defensive reaction to fun rvs action noted think I may be keeping my vote here for a while.

[Garmr]

Defensive is your reaction to multiple RVs votes on yourself

[Garmr]

Defensive is your reaction to multiple RVs votes on yourself

Btw how can you make me being defensive the justification for your vote if you vote for me before the post that is supposedly defensive?

My vote was for fun your response made it cereal simple stuff.

[Garmr]

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

[Garmr]

A pre-flip associative read:

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

Can you explain this please.

Boonskies seems to be fighting against A ds lynch/wagon even through wagons this early and early wagons tend to drop really fast. Boons post have been attacking the wagon.

NOOOOO.

DRAGONSPAWN IS MY BESTY.

VOTE: The Cow

For voting my other main man.

But...but...but...Dragon. How about I make an actual vote?

VOTE: Garmr

He basically started this pile on wagon. Sword was just jokingly OMGUS'ing.

And after those votes attacking the wagon he posts this.

Eh, I won't fight the lynch, but I'm not going to join it unless he's L-1.

This feels like boonskies backing off from dragonspawn and I don't feel boon is competent enough as scum to not make mistakes like these.

Tbh I feel boon and dragon spawn seem connected and if they were connected in a townie way boon skies wouldn't of posted the post above and If boon skies was just town reading dragon then he wouldn't be posted this post. Post 65 Is a scummy post tbh I am happy with getting rid of boon and dragon Already easy game is easy.

[Garmr]

But I am looking at the context that's my point. I joke around and they respond with serious votes. So I give them a serious response noting their behavior and I'm taking it too seriously? I understand the context fairly well.

There were two back to back serious responses to my jokingly pointing at omgus. And to this point there has been no real attempt to explain why they responded that way. And when I try to ask question and notice this, I'm told I'm being defensive. How was I supposed to respond? I asked that a while ago but no one has answered.

VOTE: keyser[\v]

I want to see a respond to who you think are scum whether you vote for them or not. If you haven't guessed I don't like my questions being dodged

You know my initial vote was a rvs and your response to it was when it got serious. Judging by aeronauts replies I think his the same not sure.

[Garmr]

Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.

My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.

No your bad hmmppphh

[Garmr]

Spreading awareness of a tell decreases it's value.

I'd rather keep this one for myself.

You would rather weasel out of explaining anything at all.

That is, inherrently, anti town at best.

VOTE: RC

Share what you have or don't bother posting it.

What the fuck did you just say to me you little shit?

I'll have you know I'm the top scumhunter in the entire MafiaScum and have over 300 confirmed scum lynches.

I'm extensively trained in VCA and have conducted numerous secret raids on the Werewolves.

You are nothing to me but another

hated townie

.

I did something like this to crumb a hated role once are you crumbing one?

[Garmr]

Ds I'm going to ignore that till she answers

[Garmr]

@kitty - like what? 'Coz that wasn't it. Who is your no1 lynch rn?

@Gamr, can you explain about your comment on associative before a flip?

Already answered that in my post right after maybe read my iso

[Garmr]

Everyone took my navy seal copypasta so seriously, jesus.

No, I am not hated. No, I'm not claiming to be the best scumhunter on MS.

Nor have I got over 300 confirmed scum lynches.

It's just a joke. chill

I was hated scum recently waited till day 4 to claim but crumbed day 1 won the game with one vote on me which was during day 1 So that's why I asked

[Garmr]

@Gamr - fine, but associatives before a flip weirds me out. I was more interested in the 'why' than the what, but ok for now.

Meh I have done it before

[Garmr]

I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb

[Garmr]

Kling are you town or scum

[Garmr]

I thought of that but boon said he would hammer D's if he has to a mason wouldn't do that

[Garmr]

???

[Garmr]

So I have to ask you this, why do you feel the need to construct straw men to attack? In fact, why are you attacking in the first place? Your pushing the wagon pretty hard for someone who isn't voting for it.

You're pushing my wagon at the same time as questioning those on the wagon not voting for any of us. Who exactly are you scum reading? Because right now it looks like you are trying to look like you are scum hunting without actually putting your money where your mouth is

This is good.

Also, this brings up a good point. BBT, do you have reads on any other people right now besides Dragon?

Yes, I do! Dragon is probably town. Oh no, wait, that's still about Dragon. Ummm...can I phone a friend?

I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.

Are you planning on doing anything about those serious votes that you dislike?

Yes.

Oh your so lucky to have a at rc gets a town read

[Garmr]

You don't choose the hood life hood life chooses you

[Garmr]

@aero hated town should always be claimed so me asking the role isn't a bad thing but only a competent player would know that.

Also that game when I was hider I started off bad but then I got two town confirmed and lynched two scum which included you so don't be bitter you made shit choices and got screwed over because you under estimated also you were kinda obvious scum

[Garmr]

Underestimated me

[Garmr]

Dave I remember you posting things more indepth and being a little more active are you busy or has your meta changed. Is there a reason?

[Garmr]

@aero sorry I misread what you were saying thought that was aimed at me personally.

@BBT

I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb

Can you quote where Dragon is acting dumb because I don't see it?

Well I'm to lazy to quote it but the whole rvs scenario when he thought my vote was serious and over reacted. When people were playing him off as lacking the ability to read post efficiently he then acts if rc was being serious lol I know dragon spawn is more perspective than that, his not titus he can read emotions in post.(That may be titus's defense lawyer training through not to read emotion.) Also his reply to shazam saying how is rc against me.


@Boon I am in no hood the hood life joke was just for fun.

[Garmr]

No I understand But what I'm saying is dragonspawn is smarter than what people are giving him credit for and it seems like his playing along with I'm dumb concept. Once off I understand and I could see happening but for the entire game nope nope nope. The DS I remember is pretty competent and isn't like this.

[Garmr]

Masq and I know those feels

[Garmr]

Do you have some sort of sick and twisted post restrictions rc

[Garmr]

I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Vote clingy

Because I want to she feels very weird this game her hands feel like murderer.

[Garmr]

VOTE: klingoncelt

[Garmr]

Could be some ones a double voter

[Garmr]

Could be a multiscum game with that many deaths as well.

[Garmr]

VOTE: BBT

I think it's alignment indicative.

[Garmr]

I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.

My turn to ask... my earlier impression of your play was to pick something and tunnel it. Did I misremember or something?

@Garmr, don't think I got an answer on this.

Anyone know Garmr well enough to comment on meta?

Tbh I find that staying back and keeping things to myself lets me apply more pressure but at times I can't resist to lay it down I tend to to say one thing and do another. Like after day 1 I was going to vote aero at the start of the day but changed my mind after anaylising the night actions..

[Garmr]

Well I keep playing a couple of scenarios in my head.

1.dragon is town and scum don't want to push his wagon -they don't want to be at the end of it with a double vote or they couldn't because it was losing support-

2.the reason that dragon wasn't pushed to l-1 was because he is scum.

I'm personally leaning towards the second scenario but Taking both into consideration BBT looks the worse to me.

[Garmr]

@fa_q2 Dragonspawn easily had enough potential to be driven to l-1 at the rvs stage I have seen that happen before.

[Garmr]

@fa-q2
Not by itself but there are other things that add up and nothing really is irrelevant in a game of minds. But fa_q2 your on my to lynch list after ds and bbt.

[Garmr]

VOTE: dragonspawn

ok rc

[Garmr]

@fa-q2
Not by itself but there are other things that add up and nothing really is irrelevant in a game of minds. But fa_q2 your on my to lynch list after ds and bbt.

Oh no.

Why bother stating this if you are not going to bother with a case. There is nothing to respond to. How about you bother to construct a why rather than blanket (and useless) statement? Looking to find out how well that idea will fly before actually committing?

Shhh it's ok little faq2 I will say my thoughts latter after the lynches unless you kill me first.

[Garmr]

Not sure if kitty is bad town or scum

[Garmr]

@fa-q2
Not by itself but there are other things that add up and nothing really is irrelevant in a game of minds. But fa_q2 your on my to lynch list after ds and bbt.

Oh no.

Why bother stating this if you are not going to bother with a case. There is nothing to respond to. How about you bother to construct a why rather than blanket (and useless) statement? Looking to find out how well that idea will fly before actually committing?

Shhh it's ok little faq2 I will say my thoughts latter after the lynches unless you kill me first.

So how they flip does not seem to matter to you either - interesting.

And this shows how obvious of a scum you are because I never said that. Is this your first scum game

[Garmr]

Swordmaster has vlaed elsewhere on the site but he should of been back 2 days ago.

[Garmr]

@keysor soze

I have no intention of repeating myself as I get tired of doing so. If you ask me to elaborate on certain points I am fine with that.

[Garmr]

1.Yes stand firm with that thought.

2.Kling felt off I guess I was wrong. Was mostly gut and I wanted to see her reaction shame the day ended so fast and unexpectedly. ;/

Am going to say my bbt scum read is independent of dragonspawn. But going to say I could care less which one I lynch first as view them both as strong scum reads.

[Garmr]

@keyser soze


I didn't notice post 407 that's interesting. What do you think of it???

[Garmr]

Pisk you got me voting in two places and you spelled my name wrong

corrected. thanks gamr

[Garmr]

Don't know if I can take post 682 Seriously

[Garmr]

i'm all good for a bbt lynch tbh

[Garmr]

"Shazam and the scum is gone" should be your motto

[Garmr]

The mods done that more than once if this was a bastard game I would think it was some random mechanic. :/

[Garmr]

It's still afternoon on a

work

day for me.
This is not alignment indicative for BBT, I've seen similar from him as both town and scum. The point on FA is good because even if multiball screws with "one extra kill" vs "two extra", SK is already expecting 2 and might be surprised by 3. In fact, I think that's good enough to vote for now. I can always read deeper after work.

VOTE: FA_Q2

So your calling faq sk yet there's other possibilities like him being faction scum or a vig.

[Garmr]

It's still afternoon on a

work

day for me.
This is not alignment indicative for BBT, I've seen similar from him as both town and scum. The point on FA is good because even if multiball screws with "one extra kill" vs "two extra", SK is already expecting 2 and might be surprised by 3. In fact, I think that's good enough to vote for now. I can always read deeper after work.

VOTE: FA_Q2

So your calling faq sk yet there's other possibilities like him being faction scum or a vig.

Forgot to mention the possibility he even might of just guessed multiscum from the size of this game and the behavior of people day 1.

[Garmr]

Rc is love Rc is life

[Garmr]

Spoiler: fingers crossed spoiler will work for garmr

VOTE: Dragonspawn

Defensive is your reaction to multiple RVs votes on yourself

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

Could be some ones a double voter

LOOK AT THIS POST. LOOK AT IT

VOTE: BBT

I think it's alignment indicative.

VOTE: dragonspawn

ok rc

i'm all good for a bbt lynch tbh

So if you look through these posts garmr has these short, fluff, easy town cred go with the flow kind of posts. None of his reads have any original opinions nor does he have any original scum reads himself. Also if you look at this post again. (Posting it again so you know what I am talking about)

Could be some ones a double voter

Here garmr brings up the possibility of a double vote during the evening phase. A BBT garmr scum team in my opinion is a very probable setup

Anyone with half a brain could of drew that conclusion don't feel bad that you couldn't.

[Garmr]

@dom tell me who titas is where are the titas

[Garmr]

That's the thing titus there was way more of a case on dragonspawn and little to no reason on prolapsed.

[Garmr]

I think that people that are town on the prolapsed wagon were stupid or just misreading prolapsed noob vibe. Tbh just got to figure out the town from the scum. Second the scum on it are probably bluewaffle,dragonspawn,davesaz I was annoyed with faq for some reason and but his more a null at this stage.


I'm going to post another post so I will answer more questions after it. I just don't want to get caught up replies.

[Garmr]

Just a quick note I remembered why people switched t prolapse it was becuase he was submissive to others. Not the best reason for a new player.

[Garmr]

I'm town reading you Aero. That was unfair of me, I hope you accept my apology. I couldn't resist.

This makes me feel like like bluetoffee didn't want to step on aeros toes and get scum read off him. If they are buddies it could be a way of trying to avoid drawing attention to aero I feel like its the former rather than the latter.

Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

Seems to have intimate knowledge of the kills with reasoning behind it. Tbh Mykonian wasn't even universally read as town. I can name a few that scum read him (kittygolare,kling,rc)

Also this is extremely scummy behaviour

Another important comment for you to add;

BBT gives 0 fucks about this game.

Discuss.

UNVOTE:

This contradicts the mind set of someone with a power role as bbt claims he has.

I appreciate it but unfortunately I won't be lynched Today.

This indicates a powerole claims and his quite happy to announce the intention. His trying to scare people off his wagon.

It's pretty obvious your going to claim vig through I don't believe your actions are that of a vig more of a sk or mafiaso trying to draw out a claim. Your behavior is focused on survival so that pushes way more into the sk/mafia realm than town.

VOTE: Bluewaffle

[Garmr]

I don't think I have the energy.

Garmr has already called my role. The fact he is still willing to lynch me should speak volumes to his alignment.

I'm the vig. I killed Kling on last night.

Please lynch me.

Why kill kling you showed little to no interest in her on day 1. In fact you showed little interest in anyone other than prolasped.

I feel you are more likely to be the sk or mafia than you are town and being a power role doesn't mean you should avoid a lynch that logic lead to a couple of mislynches in my last scum game and probably helped us win against 6 confirmed towns.

Also you claiming that could be a way to try and bait out a power role it doesn't mean you necessarily made the kill.

[Garmr]

@boonskies Your right about the night kills bit nearly everyone on this site tends to shoot N1 I see no reason not to. But what makes BBT scum is his behavior and I have listed reasons why what he has done and how he acts makes him scum.


Also to those idiots yes complete idiots saying he has to be a vig. You should think about retiring from mafia. This has multiple kills in one night suggesting a multiscum game If it's multiple faction game then scum wouldn't know if BBT is lying or not (including Sk). He could easily Be a SK or a rival faction scum. Hell he could be lying about shooting kling.

[Garmr]

I also don't like aeronauts react to BBT claim he is way to accepting.

[Garmr]

Aero needs to be looked into What do you think Of Aero Radiant????

[Garmr]

the lynches for today are bbt or me. BBT is obvious scum and if we don't lynch BBT today I don't feel like I want to part of this game.

[Garmr]

Sighs I just figured something out which I wish I saw earlier and I don't know what to do with out outing his powerole. Dragonspawn is 100% confirmed scum. You can mislynch me I flip town but Dragonspawn has been copped.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Dragonspawn

[Garmr]

Will my death and town flip satisfy you on that bluetoffee. When I flip town will you shoot dragonspawn.

[Garmr]

If he had a guilty on me would he have voted for the vigilante?

Read my post again.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr
Dragon is town.

Pretty obvious who dragons scum partners are

[Garmr]

@bulb are your scum partners screaming at you in the daychat

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr
Dragon is town.

Pretty obvious who dragons scum partners are

Hey. This is not a good reaction. If 9 players on your wagon, are all of them Dragon buddies?

No the reason was your quick acceptance then sudden change when you saw not every one was rushing to hammer

[Garmr]

How so in what posts is he genuine with his reaction

[Garmr]

Also piskop posted about scum having day chat earlier

[Garmr]

Garmr leaves us with scum.

I beg to differ what has he done with PB and dragon?

How has he incriminated me?

now explain why those posts are genuine

[Garmr]

Why do you use that against me. This is me playing town. Not scum. What is scummy about me? I will not change my style for you, but what makes me scum? My not knowing what secret vote he was talking about? Or me wanting to pressure pb?

Stop buying to.e answer now you should have a reason

[Garmr]

Was typing before the other post

[Garmr]

Don't talk about ongoing games I been banned for less

[Garmr]

Just assuming its ongoing

[Garmr]

Ok

[Garmr]

BTW are you zekrom

[Garmr]

Dragon read my post again

[Garmr]

Sighs I just figured something out which I wish I saw earlier and I don't know what to do with out outing his powerole. Dragonspawn is 100% confirmed scum. You can mislynch me I flip town but Dragonspawn has been copped.

Is this or is this not a guilty

you damn know what I'm saying your not incompetent

@ds I'm saying someone else copped yah and I found the guilty

[Garmr]

Just going to make sure that it's fully understood, I am not claiming a guilty, and I am not a cop.

I'm just going off my reads.

I thought you were telling me to do the fake cop claim on D's because you had a guilty.

[Garmr]

I swear some idiots don't read aka Dave the game I'm talking about I fake claimed cop. I thought rc was cop asking me to lynch D's using the same tactic.

[Garmr]

I remember its happened more than once BTW Titus is town I have a 100% read rate on her never been wrong about her

[Garmr]

Check my history with Titus I have never been wrong about her alignment

[Garmr]

In other words a meta tell

[Garmr]

Name a game I been wrong about you Titus

[Garmr]

Name a game I been wrong about you Titus

[Garmr]

Double post

[Garmr]

I was scum that game Titus but the SK killed me I knew you were town

[Garmr]

Vca works sometimes but when you learn to read flow you can dodge them

[Garmr]

I swear some idiots don't read aka Dave the game I'm talking about I fake claimed cop. I thought rc was cop asking me to lynch D's using the same tactic.

How did RC know that's what you were doing, in order to call you off? Still sounds like private communications to me. Can you point to what told you to make that play, and how RC would know you were doing it?

there were two people on ds radiants the only one who was talking was rc and had interaction not hard to figure out will quote when I get home

[Garmr]

Dave I think your scum because your trying to misrepresent what happened I never thought rc was a fake cop I thought she wanted me to be the fake whilst her the real cop sent me messages through hints like that one. I think rc is a decent enough player to regonize a town me as me and rc pretty much townread each other from the start of the last game.


VOTE: dave

You have been twisting things on multiple occasions whilst not coping much flak I can easily seeing you being scum.

[Garmr]

Just going to make sure that it's fully understood, I am not claiming a guilty, and I am not a cop.

I'm just going off my reads.

I thought you were telling me to do the fake cop claim on D's because you had a guilty.

Fake cop. You said it yourself.

What I meant by it through was for me to fake the cop claim for what I thought was the real cop. Your pushing it as I thought rc wanted me to fake cop dragon spawn for the lynch knowing that dragonspawn wasn't copped.

[Garmr]

Quick scum reads
aero
bulba
Dave
Dragon

there's more on the null side but these 4 I would be happy to lynch.

[Garmr]

Quick scum reads
aero
bulba
Dave
Dragon

there's more on the null side but these 4 I would be happy to lynch.

Didn't you say you were about to vote me today except for something that happened last night with the night kills? What happened with that?

Originally I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when I said that but behavior persisted.

[Garmr]

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

[Garmr]

I have made cases in 5he past they are in my iso. Also I really thought you were guilty. Phone post

[Garmr]

@dave
Dragon spawn is scummy for these reasons

Constantly defensive when pushed

Is playing dumb constantly so he can shift his vote

Gut from playing with him before

Post 303- seems like he has some knowledge of who scum is. Saying I'm not busting my buddies feels like a slip.

Post 484 seems like his trying to justify the double voter as town making me suspect he is the double voter or at least on the same team

Post 500 seems like a attempt to push Anna as the big kill making me think he killed Anna

[Garmr]

What else is intreasting is That he thought kling was townie as hell yet didn't question blue over the kill even through he was so adament on the night kill

[Garmr]

Titus I mentioned those posiblities before

[Garmr]

Titus first tell me how I'm stretching to make a case on ds otherwise your just stretching to defend him

[Garmr]

What else is intreasting is That he thought kling was townie as hell yet didn't question blue over the kill even through he was so adament on the night kill

There's too many pronouns for me to understand thistledown. Can you rephrase this and give post references?

dragon was pushing that Anna would of been the big kill but when blue said she wasn't dragon didn't even question it

[Garmr]

Titus voted me I'm now confirmed town

[Garmr]

Titus voted me I'm now confirmed town

Because clearly that's alignment indicative.

That's a crack at of her record of reading me correctly

[Garmr]

You didn't read my posts before responding to my vote.

I did read them which is precisely why I said you have nothing. Because you have nothing.

I have yet to see someone place a vote on me this game for a reason that had any substance to it.

There have been a lot of votes that have had substance.

[Garmr]

Blue can you shoot dragonspawn tonight please.

[Garmr]

Blue can you shoot dragonspawn tonight please.

You could just nk me yourself.

I would if I could mate< I would if i could.

[Garmr]

I still think Titus is town but she can be honorary scum

[Garmr]

Blue can you shoot dragonspawn tonight please.

You could just nk me yourself.

I would if I could mate< I would if i could.

So you don't have the ability to nk but if you did you'd kill a townie you couldn't mislynch by lying?

Where is the town motivation there?

2 things
1 you're not town
2 I made a mistake with a post and your trying to push it as me lying where it obvious where i made a mistake

[Garmr]

Rc is pretty much the towniest player here

[Garmr]

Also blue if I get lynched today shoot D's for me once D's is dead the rest of the scum will fall

[Garmr]

A shoot to D's would defenly be the best play

[Garmr]

@rc and ank
Let's vote Dave and get rid of scum numerous uno.

[Garmr]

Blue can you shoot dragonspawn tonight please.

You could just nk me yourself.

I would if I could mate< I would if i could.

So you don't have the ability to nk but if you did you'd kill a townie you couldn't mislynch by lying?

Where is the town motivation there?

2 things
1 you're not town
2 I made a mistake with a post and your trying to push it as me lying where it obvious where i made a mistake

1) no I'm not
2) you didn't make a mistake. you flat out lied. A mistake is unintentional.

My mistake was thinking rc was cop are you how old are you rc

[Garmr]

I mean ds

[Garmr]

But D's you just lied there you have no competent arguments

[Garmr]

Rc is pretty much the towniest player here

You cannot be serious with this.

Anyone with half a brain can see his town

[Garmr]

Now you said that ank i will have to abuse that trust in a future game :p

[Garmr]

Rc is pretty much the towniest player here

Simple if rc was scum rc would of let the cop thing go by then. Also rc is thinking like me.

You cannot be serious with this.

Anyone with half a brain can see his town

Why is he town?

[Garmr]

Meant to say rc could of not set me straight and got the lynch off tbh I would of let the lynch go off as town in his postion. RCS actions also push towards town and my gut tells me so

[Garmr]

Meant to say rc could of not set me straight and got the lynch off tbh I would of let the lynch go off as town in his postion. RCS actions also push towards town and my gut tells me so

How is any of this obvious enough that anyone with half a brain should be able to see it?

Well it obvious to me

[Garmr]

Meant to say rc could of not set me straight and got the lynch off tbh I would of let the lynch go off as town in his postion. RCS actions also push towards town and my gut tells me so

How is any of this obvious enough that anyone with half a brain should be able to see it?

Well it obvious to me

Ok, why should it be obvious to me?

Because I assumed that people would easily pick that up

[Garmr]

Can you go into detail of what you mean then?

Well if rc was scum and DS was town he could of easily pushed a double mislynch. If dragon spawn was scum with rc then I doubt that rc would be pushing dragon spawn that hard

[Garmr]

Would also like to point out me and Dave are potentially l-1 due to the hidden vote

[Garmr]

That's the thing dragon I didn't lie

[Garmr]

But D's you just lied there you have no competent arguments

Maybe lying to lynch a townie isn't scummy to you but I think it's a fairly good argument.

So you didn't say I was copped and found guilty.

I thought you were

[Garmr]

Titus, VCA confirmed me town as scum in Corpse Party.

I never seen Titus vca work tbh

[Garmr]

To be fair your mostly scum in my games as well

[Garmr]

To be fair your mostly scum in my games as well

Yeah for those two mistakes I have like 8 successes. I'm confident enough in it to where if I make two mistakes in lynching AFTER I post a VCA I'm 100% confident in, lynch my ass. If I haven't done it by day 5, lynch me.

Maybe it's my presence that screws them up lol

[Garmr]

I have reached out to you with sarcasm. Your the godmother titus.

[Garmr]

@titus what do you think of Dave

[Garmr]

I think he's townier than you. I see nothing amazing but nothing that pings me either.

Have you read Dave's content through like really read it. He twists events to suit his cause he lacks a real push and after playing with town him I know this doesn't suit the town criteria of him

[Garmr]

Garmr, how often do I bother to read on subbing in? You need examples here.

Can they wait till Sunday I'm currently at a party house out of town with shit net

[Garmr]

PEPs already preping for my town flip

[Garmr]

Peeps

[Garmr]

PEPs already preping for my town flip

Are you saying you're preparing for it or others are? And if the latter, who?

Your mum

My co-mod has taken some minor offense to this. Above the belt please.

[Garmr]

Yeah but Dave's really scummy

[Garmr]

So we can't see where the secret vote is placed during a vote count

[Garmr]

Depends on the alignment of the secret voter. Obviously not scum scum with the secret voter given how long there were counterwagons alive.

Why are you jumping to a single scum team conclusion

[Garmr]

I was trying to show the flaw with your earlier logic

[Garmr]

Rc did something useful.

We got lucky with Dave. But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team. Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

You have no right to say this. If you are by some miracle town you have one of the most poor performances in this game so far.


Facts

1.faq2 didn't die last night rc didn't block that becuase rc wanted faq2 dead. Faq2 is either bullet proof or Blue was roleblocked.

2.Rc was weak body guard meaning rc can only block 1 kill meaning one kill or both must of been directed at rc.

[Garmr]

Also would like to point out Dave was obvious scum to anyone who has played with him before and can read behavior traits

[Garmr]

Judging by Dave's reaction he also thought my misunderstanding with RCS fakecop thing was to due to scum having a cop role thinking i was on another team. His reaction to dragon spawn being caught suggest dragon is scum

[Garmr]

Also after a quick skim through Dave's iso shows Dave defending dragonspawn in a scum buddy like way

[Garmr]

FAQ and D's are both likely scum and tbh are both higher on the scum scale than fire bringer

[Garmr]

So much info was gained I'm loving it and I have the feeling I can still get more

[Garmr]

Nearly forgot that there may be mirrored scum teams and faq was doced

[Garmr]

So I think faq and D's are different scum teams so what's better 2 down to 0 or both have 1 down

[Garmr]

Also would like to point out Dave was obvious scum to anyone who has played with him before and can read behavior traits

Why? Walk me through this.

I don't think you have the ability to understand because of the way you hunt compared to me but the conclusion s David was coming to were not the ones he normally would. Plus he was trying seriously hard to misrep things as he lacks the ability to make a viable case on who he wants to Lynch dragon had a similar case of misreps so I think it was discussed in a qt

[Garmr]

VOTE: dragon

Time to bury this one

[Garmr]

Also after a quick skim through Dave's iso shows Dave defending dragonspawn in a scum buddy like way

Can you say which posts specifically?

P-edit: So... He's not scum but he's an SK? What?

don't know what your reading

[Garmr]

@titus 1267 and 1178 are both weak attempts at twisting the way things went to me in a negative light

[Garmr]

Also I missed that blue didn't take the shot

[Garmr]

Also a cop role on a mafia suggests multi faction not a SK big combo

[Garmr]

One of the multi factions have motive to shoot rc

[Garmr]

@titus that could be right it would explain ds's obsession with trying to push only one scum team and a sk

[Garmr]

the following video is not part of the flavor so mcuh as awesome

Votecount 3.01

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Firebringer

- (2) BlueBloodedToffee, FA_Q2

Dragonspawn

- (1) Firebringer

Annarchy

- (1) Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Bulbazoor, dragonspawn, Annarchy, Garmr, Ankamius, duppin, Kitty Galore, KeywSöze, Titus, Aeronaut

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With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Rc did something useful.

We got lucky with Dave. But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team. Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

This seems like A haha I shoot you post to rc now I read it again

[Garmr]

Lol don't know how I tagged the other post

[Garmr]

why titus boon?

[Garmr]

Also this may be me bragging I find it hilarious scum think I will be a easy lynch and try to go against me only to get themselves lynched. Blue and Aero have experience with this and now dave does to .

[Garmr]

I feel like the dom before he was replaced out was completely off track and mafia planned to manipulate him or was scum. The way dave tried talking the dom as if he some sort of messiah may be scum trying to talk up there buddy to be on a pedestal or grab a townie and make them honorary scum.

[Garmr]

Also this may be me bragging I find it hilarious scum think I will be a easy lynch and try to go against me only to get themselves lynched. Blue and Aero have experience with this and now dave does to .

I find it hilarious that you almost getting yourself mislynched by stupidly faking a guilty and find the need to brag about it.

Meanwhile we are on day three of you guys trying to mislynch me because I responded seriously to your serious votes during rvs and scum still can't seal the deal. Yet I don't see a need to brag about that. It's amusing.

I find it hilarious that you are acting big while you are incompetent as a scum member and town. Incompetent as scum because your going to get lynched. Incompetent as a town because your reads have been bloody awful so till this point. Then you still have the nerve to trash talk rc.

[Garmr]

Also this may be me bragging I find it hilarious scum think I will be a easy lynch and try to go against me only to get themselves lynched. Blue and Aero have experience with this and now dave does to .

I find it hilarious that you almost getting yourself mislynched by stupidly faking a guilty and find the need to brag about it.

Meanwhile we are on day three of you guys trying to mislynch me because I responded seriously to your serious votes during rvs and scum still can't seal the deal. Yet I don't see a need to brag about that. It's amusing.

I find it hilarious that you are acting big while you are incompetent as a scum member and town. Incompetent as scum because your going to get lynched. Incompetent as a town because your reads have been bloody awful so till this point. Then you still have the nerve to trash talk rc.

Actually I'm not acting big at all. That was my point.

And yes I have no problem pointing out that rc is a crappy player who does almost nothing to add to the game.

When you succeed at mislynching me, Look closer at Anna, kitty, duppin, ank and I'll throw in Titus for good measure.

rc was obvious town and and was on the right wagon in the end.

[Garmr]

I'm a citizen. Nothing special.

If I was scum I would have killed some of the more obvious prs.

Second sentence makes me more wary of this lynch. Don't we think that scum DID try to kill one of the more obvious prs? If so, why would said scum then say "if I were scum I'd do [exactly what he actually did]". Seems too honest for scum. Thoughts?

It could be a attempt to spread wifom. Seriously the good riddance to rc post is pretty much gloating.

[Garmr]

I just don't want people to make the same mistake they did on day one and lynch someone else other than ds.

Milking information out the day is good and all but that's only if we got things to discuss once everything becomes stale that's when you should lynch.

[Garmr]

I'm a citizen. Nothing special.

If I was scum I would have killed some of the more obvious prs.

Second sentence makes me more wary of this lynch. Don't we think that scum DID try to kill one of the more obvious prs? If so, why would said scum then say "if I were scum I'd do [exactly what he actually did]". Seems too honest for scum. Thoughts?

It could be a attempt to spread wifom. Seriously the good riddance to rc post is pretty much gloating.

If I was scum why would I be happy rc was dead? He creates chaos in town. That's exactly what I would want. And he doesn't add anything. Him being gone means two things

1) he did something useful by protecting someone cause scum wouldn't target him.
2) we have much less background noise to distract is from scum hunting.

The way RC role works we know for sure 100% that one of the shots was aimed at rc himself as weak body guard can only tank one shot. So only one death means there was two shots on rc or rc got shot while tanking a shot for another person the optimal use of a weak body guard.

[Garmr]

Whoops got the modifiers mixed up weak dies upon targeting scum so that means both kills targeted the same person

[Garmr]

Titus it's not hard to fake dragonspawn should of been dead a while ago. This is davesaz all over again.

[Garmr]

This dragonspawn lynch is going through. You know there are also other reasons he could be frustrated. Maybe he thinks we caught him on bs or he hates his scum buddies.

[Garmr]

Sighs if we don't lynch ds then that means scum killed off all the smart town :/

[Garmr]

Also to those saying there is no case on ds learn to bloody read the game there has been 2 FUCKING DAYS WORTH OF CASES

to those saying how hard it was to get yesterday but how easy it is today. Multiple scum teams are a high probability his own scum team probally thought us town were SMART enough to lynch him today.

gahh this roster is killing me.

[Garmr]

Sighs if we don't lynch ds then that means scum killed off all the smart town :/

So do you say that because you dont consider yourself smart or because you aren't town?

If I wouldn't get banned for what i was thinking right now I would say it. But short answer none of the above.

[Garmr]

Sigh this dragonspawn lynch is looking like a dream. I think maybe the best idea is to lynch the people that look like scum I emphasize on the scum bit resisting it until I can get it through.

[Garmr]

Also to those saying there is no case on ds learn to bloody read the game there has been 2 FUCKING DAYS WORTH OF CASES

to those saying how hard it was to get yesterday but how easy it is today. Multiple scum teams are a high probability his own scum team probally thought us town were SMART enough to lynch him today.

gahh this roster is killing me.

Of there are two days worth of cases it shouldn't be so difficult to provide one should it?

Day 1- your over action to people joining your wagon your behavior gets really defensive. Mentioned day 1 and was the first thought that popped in my head.

[Garmr]

Quick summary of all the cases brought so far.

Day 1

Spoiler:

-Dragonspawns defensiveness to people voting him in rvs.

-Dragonspawn acting stupid to try and get people to brush off the fact he was defensive.

-How easy a prolapsed counter wagon was built up yet DS was just as scummy if not more.

-now we have a dave flip we can see how defensive dave was of dragonspawn.

Got a few minutes before my next meeting, so I have an opportunity to write down some thoughts. I don't have a big enough window to do an in-depth reread, so need to shoot from the hip here.

Keyser is giving me uncomfortable feelings of matching the "scum leading town" or "too town to be scum" tell. Things turn out bad when I miss these signs. I'd rather put a weak scum read here and have it improve over time than dismiss him and have it bite me later.

Hard to tell if Shazam beetlejuiced or if this is merely the time he's online. Must wait to see if a pattern of posting times develops. That's a really weak tell though so I'm leaving him null for now.

I agree that Dragonspawn's reaction seemed more defensive than it should be. But I do that as town myself at times, so I can't really scum read him for it. OTOH I haven't really seen anything that screams town either. I won't go into details on what the deciding factor might be, as it's not a good idea when scumhunting to coach possible scum on how they'd get me to town read them.

BBT still gets a weak town read. Pushing wagons for dubious reasons is ok early in D1. Kinda like the submarine tactic of firing a torpedo to see what direction your contacts move.

Garmr bugs me but I'm not sure exactly why. It's pure gut, and I don't mind admitting it.

Pedit: @dragon The weak read on BBT would be limited time only. The torpedo trick only works once, then he gets to do actual scumhunting.

Here is dave trying to justify dragonspawns response.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Giving in to pressure seems rather scummy.

Here is dave jumping onto the counter wagon of ds.

-His reasoning for being on pb was pathetic.

I'm thinking pb needs some more pressure.

VOTE: pb

We need to get him talking and interacting.

DAY 2

Spoiler:

How does having a double voter mean it's a scum? Couldn't a townie have that pr too?

And how does that in any way implicate bbt? Just because he was pushing the wagon?

Seems to me that bulb would be more suspect since h specifically said he wanted to get the wagon to L1. I just don't know if the secret vote came before he joined us or not.

Look at this comment and how similar this is to daves.

Let's look at this:

Could be some ones a double voter

Dragon no point unvoting. It changes nothing.

You should rejoin wagon to make sure wagon is maintained in the case of Mod error.

@BlueBloodedToffee, you either knew about the scum PR which enabled the early hammer, or scum are setting you up for the miss-lynch. Your incessant push for Prolapsed Brain to be put near L-1 needs to be flagged.

This did catch my eye though. Why do you presume it is a scum PR? Couldn't it be a town double voter? One of the vote counts did have a <vote> inserted in the middle of the list.

These couple of posts tell a little story to me.

Anna night kill doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. More than likely a vig if anything. She didn't add much to the game. I could easily see a vigilante thinking she was scummy.

I saw nothing obviously town about Anna. In fact if I hasn't previous experience with her I would have suspected her more.

Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

Also why would scum kill an obvious townie if they are looking for other scum?

These couple of post make me feel like dragonspawns team killed anna the way he behaves around the anna night kill is weird and not the type of interaction I would think of town. I don't think a townie would dwell on the one kill out of three so much.

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

Could you tell me why I am?

And why you need to fake a guilty on me if its so obvious?

Has dave as a scum read yet when It become more and more obvious that I'm town that made a msitake pushes me as scum usning Similar logic as dave.

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

Could you tell me why I am?

And why you need to fake a guilty on me if its so obvious?

This is just one example of him trying to push that I was trying to set him up and trying to get a lynch through on me.

Was going to make this longer but getting tired of typing while I see people ninja me in the preview

[Garmr]

First, regarding Dragon/Dave:

Wow, busy weekend and the thread blew up while I wasn't looking.

Re 922 after a little looking I think I see it too. Obviously it would be hugely antitown to explain if it is indeed a guilty.
VOTE: Dragonspawn

I don't see a scenario where dave makes this post on his scumbuddy. Here he's pushing Garmr's unexplained and vague guilty on Dragon. Doesn't it make more sense for scumdave to want to question this a lot harder instead of pretending to "see" something if they were together?

That makes zero sense from a scum perspective. I feel like it's more likely that Dave saw Dragon as an easy mislynch and decided to just go with it.

This logic is incredibly wrong you have to think like scum which your obviously not doing. If dave is scum buddies with ds and someone has a guilty on your scum buddy what sane scum would fight it. You put yourself in danger once your buddy flips. Hell maybe its the time difference between we joined aero but there was a stage in mafia scum were busting your buddies was the cool thing to do. The key here is the behavior flip when he saw his chance to jump off the ds wagon and jump on me.

[Garmr]

You probably have the same amount of experience as me just the different era's we played in is what I'm getting at.

[Garmr]

What do you think of Kitty, by the way?

Soft Kitty warm kitty little ball of fur
Kitty ignoring me and dave
makes me confused

[Garmr]

Quick summary of all the cases brought so far.

Day 1

Spoiler:

-Dragonspawns defensiveness to people voting him in rvs.

-Dragonspawn acting stupid to try and get people to brush off the fact he was defensive.

-How easy a prolapsed counter wagon was built up yet DS was just as scummy if not more.

-now we have a dave flip we can see how defensive dave was of dragonspawn.

Got a few minutes before my next meeting, so I have an opportunity to write down some thoughts. I don't have a big enough window to do an in-depth reread, so need to shoot from the hip here.

Keyser is giving me uncomfortable feelings of matching the "scum leading town" or "too town to be scum" tell. Things turn out bad when I miss these signs. I'd rather put a weak scum read here and have it improve over time than dismiss him and have it bite me later.

Hard to tell if Shazam beetlejuiced or if this is merely the time he's online. Must wait to see if a pattern of posting times develops. That's a really weak tell though so I'm leaving him null for now.

I agree that Dragonspawn's reaction seemed more defensive than it should be. But I do that as town myself at times, so I can't really scum read him for it. OTOH I haven't really seen anything that screams town either. I won't go into details on what the deciding factor might be, as it's not a good idea when scumhunting to coach possible scum on how they'd get me to town read them.

BBT still gets a weak town read. Pushing wagons for dubious reasons is ok early in D1. Kinda like the submarine tactic of firing a torpedo to see what direction your contacts move.

Garmr bugs me but I'm not sure exactly why. It's pure gut, and I don't mind admitting it.

Pedit: @dragon The weak read on BBT would be limited time only. The torpedo trick only works once, then he gets to do actual scumhunting.

Here is dave trying to justify dragonspawns response.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Giving in to pressure seems rather scummy.

Here is dave jumping onto the counter wagon of ds.

-His reasoning for being on pb was pathetic.

I'm thinking pb needs some more pressure.

VOTE: pb

We need to get him talking and interacting.

DAY 2

Spoiler:

How does having a double voter mean it's a scum? Couldn't a townie have that pr too?

And how does that in any way implicate bbt? Just because he was pushing the wagon?

Seems to me that bulb would be more suspect since h specifically said he wanted to get the wagon to L1. I just don't know if the secret vote came before he joined us or not.

Look at this comment and how similar this is to daves.

Let's look at this:

Could be some ones a double voter

Dragon no point unvoting. It changes nothing.

You should rejoin wagon to make sure wagon is maintained in the case of Mod error.

@BlueBloodedToffee, you either knew about the scum PR which enabled the early hammer, or scum are setting you up for the miss-lynch. Your incessant push for Prolapsed Brain to be put near L-1 needs to be flagged.

This did catch my eye though. Why do you presume it is a scum PR? Couldn't it be a town double voter? One of the vote counts did have a <vote> inserted in the middle of the list.

These couple of posts tell a little story to me.

Anna night kill doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. More than likely a vig if anything. She didn't add much to the game. I could easily see a vigilante thinking she was scummy.

I saw nothing obviously town about Anna. In fact if I hasn't previous experience with her I would have suspected her more.

Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

Also why would scum kill an obvious townie if they are looking for other scum?

These couple of post make me feel like dragonspawns team killed anna the way he behaves around the anna night kill is weird and not the type of interaction I would think of town. I don't think a townie would dwell on the one kill out of three so much.

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

Could you tell me why I am?

And why you need to fake a guilty on me if its so obvious?

Has dave as a scum read yet when It become more and more obvious that I'm town that made a msitake pushes me as scum usning Similar logic as dave.

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

Could you tell me why I am?

And why you need to fake a guilty on me if its so obvious?

This is just one example of him trying to push that I was trying to set him up and trying to get a lynch through on me.

Was going to make this longer but getting tired of typing while I see people ninja me in the preview

Like I said whole lot of nothin

Also what i forgot to mention ds hasn't even once tried to debunk a case against him all he can manage is these pathetic lines never seen so much flail.

[Garmr]

What do you think of Kitty, by the way?

Soft Kitty warm kitty little ball of fur
Kitty ignoring me and dave
makes me confused

Quick summary of all the cases brought so far.

Day 1

Spoiler:

-Dragonspawns defensiveness to people voting him in rvs.

-Dragonspawn acting stupid to try and get people to brush off the fact he was defensive.

-How easy a prolapsed counter wagon was built up yet DS was just as scummy if not more.

-now we have a dave flip we can see how defensive dave was of dragonspawn.

Got a few minutes before my next meeting, so I have an opportunity to write down some thoughts. I don't have a big enough window to do an in-depth reread, so need to shoot from the hip here.

Keyser is giving me uncomfortable feelings of matching the "scum leading town" or "too town to be scum" tell. Things turn out bad when I miss these signs. I'd rather put a weak scum read here and have it improve over time than dismiss him and have it bite me later.

Hard to tell if Shazam beetlejuiced or if this is merely the time he's online. Must wait to see if a pattern of posting times develops. That's a really weak tell though so I'm leaving him null for now.

I agree that Dragonspawn's reaction seemed more defensive than it should be. But I do that as town myself at times, so I can't really scum read him for it. OTOH I haven't really seen anything that screams town either. I won't go into details on what the deciding factor might be, as it's not a good idea when scumhunting to coach possible scum on how they'd get me to town read them.

BBT still gets a weak town read. Pushing wagons for dubious reasons is ok early in D1. Kinda like the submarine tactic of firing a torpedo to see what direction your contacts move.

Garmr bugs me but I'm not sure exactly why. It's pure gut, and I don't mind admitting it.

Pedit: @dragon The weak read on BBT would be limited time only. The torpedo trick only works once, then he gets to do actual scumhunting.

Here is dave trying to justify dragonspawns response.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Giving in to pressure seems rather scummy.

Here is dave jumping onto the counter wagon of ds.

-His reasoning for being on pb was pathetic.

I'm thinking pb needs some more pressure.

VOTE: pb

We need to get him talking and interacting.

DAY 2

Spoiler:

How does having a double voter mean it's a scum? Couldn't a townie have that pr too?

And how does that in any way implicate bbt? Just because he was pushing the wagon?

Seems to me that bulb would be more suspect since h specifically said he wanted to get the wagon to L1. I just don't know if the secret vote came before he joined us or not.

Look at this comment and how similar this is to daves.

Let's look at this:

Could be some ones a double voter

Dragon no point unvoting. It changes nothing.

You should rejoin wagon to make sure wagon is maintained in the case of Mod error.

@BlueBloodedToffee, you either knew about the scum PR which enabled the early hammer, or scum are setting you up for the miss-lynch. Your incessant push for Prolapsed Brain to be put near L-1 needs to be flagged.

This did catch my eye though. Why do you presume it is a scum PR? Couldn't it be a town double voter? One of the vote counts did have a <vote> inserted in the middle of the list.

These couple of posts tell a little story to me.

Anna night kill doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. More than likely a vig if anything. She didn't add much to the game. I could easily see a vigilante thinking she was scummy.

I saw nothing obviously town about Anna. In fact if I hasn't previous experience with her I would have suspected her more.

Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

Also why would scum kill an obvious townie if they are looking for other scum?

These couple of post make me feel like dragonspawns team killed anna the way he behaves around the anna night kill is weird and not the type of interaction I would think of town. I don't think a townie would dwell on the one kill out of three so much.

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

Could you tell me why I am?

And why you need to fake a guilty on me if its so obvious?

Has dave as a scum read yet when It become more and more obvious that I'm town that made a msitake pushes me as scum usning Similar logic as dave.

The reason Garmr seems town to me is that the whole "RC was telling me to fake cop" thing, while misguided, also seems pretty genuine to me. Like I don't see a scenario where scum says it like that.

Really because I see that as a really scummy move. I didn't scum read him until that point.

It looks to me like he wanted to use the 'dragon was copped guilty by someone else' as a ploy to push a mislynch with the force of a cop claim and then be able to squirm out of it the next day if dragon flipped town.

Right now I am willing to go with bulb, garmr or bbt. All three are scummy IMHO.

so you think dragon is actually town can you tell me why

Could you tell me why I am?

And why you need to fake a guilty on me if its so obvious?

This is just one example of him trying to push that I was trying to set him up and trying to get a lynch through on me.

Was going to make this longer but getting tired of typing while I see people ninja me in the preview

Like I said whole lot of nothin

Would you like to go into detail here?

The only notable actions that raised my intention
Defending dragonspawn in a similar vein as dave
And pretty much ignoring the two wagon on me and dave yesterday while going about doing her own thing.

I really don't know what to make of of her.

[Garmr]

That is the quickest I have seen a wagon I hate be derailed...it was almost certainly scum driven.

Even then I doubt that scum would jump off so fast unless it was on there scum team mates. So it won't change the fact that ds is scum.



@ds shame you were scum this game but I do enjoy your company .

[Garmr]

Also titus if you think scum have jumped off the wagon so easily. Tell me what the motive is for scum to take there vote off someone that's been hard to lynch and pretty scummy if they were resisting it yesterday.

[Garmr]

@shazam
How did you save firebringers life ?????

[Garmr]

Ronit you are scum can out your buddies

[Garmr]

Scum would have tried to push a ml on me but town managed to change it around. Im a pr and idk what DS was talking about because I'm not a vanilla townie.

This is scum lol.

[Garmr]

It's simple dragonspawn lied ronit has pointed that out, Dragonspawn has connections with dave, When you combine dragonspawns defensiveness with the fact he was acting dumb = a scum point,Dragonspawn could try to say anything against my case to disprove it instead he said "it was a whole lot of nothing" with out touching on the points.

We have so many points on dragonspawn it's not funny. Also ronit seems to be entirely new to mafia so it wouldn't surprise me he would out himself in such a manner.

[Garmr]

It's simple dragonspawn lied ronit has pointed that out, Dragonspawn has connections with dave, When you combine dragonspawns defensiveness with the fact he was acting dumb = a scum point,Dragonspawn could try to say anything against my case to disprove it instead he said "it was a whole lot of nothing" with out touching on the points.

We have so many points on dragonspawn it's not funny. Also ronit seems to be entirely new to mafia so it wouldn't surprise me he would out himself in such a manner.

ronit behavior is scummy and we lynch all liars in my town!
VOTE: Ronit

Well I don't think scum would have claimed like that and then retracted and come up with such a reasonable defense for why they made the claim. I actually believe ronit.
VOTE: SCtH

Reasonable defense my ass.

There is nothing that would make sense in that 'test' as a townie. Why would your reaction have been different if you were scum? If he is town and scum seen an opening they would take it. His reasoning is garbage. The retraction is because it bought him an instant 3 votes and he had to do something or die. Fortunately for us townies, he did something that makes no sense whatsoever and then used BS 'reasoning' to say that you were in the clear. I would have chalked it up to random flailing by dying scum but you tried to pass this off as reasonable. It is highly likely that you are one of his partners.

I'm pretty sure one of you is scum at this point. It is rather obvious to me that scum has less reason to do what ronit did than town does.

1) FA_Q2, in fact, states the reason why the test works, then says it proves the test DIDN'T work. If I was scum, I would see an opening and take it. This is actually not what I did, since I at first did not see the claim as scummy. After FA_Q2 mentioned dragonspawn's meta, I was much more inclined to believe that ronit was scum. So the test did work.
2)The fact that he is new to mafia could just as easily be a reason why he would set up a stupid test as town if you think the test is stupid.
3)He was not just about to be lynched, and admitting a lie does not seem like something scum would do.

Could I be wrong about all of this? Sure, but I think my reasoning is sound. And why the heck would scum make a test in which he lied, then admitted the lie and said that it showed HIS SCUMPARTNER WAS TOWN, and then why would his scumpartner then DECLARE HIM TOWN IN RETURN? That is a much dumber assertion than any ronit has made. FA_Q2, you're either town who has taken leave of his senses, or scum.

Town has no reason to out themselves as a power role only when he backfired did go ha ha it was a test. A scum reasoning might of been to put hesitation to vote him because

I did put the best case in this entire game on dragonspawn.

I can provide scum motivations as to why ronit might of done what he has done like another is his weak attempt to look like he is doing something. but you have yet to provide a town one as there really isn't any other than his a newbie.

Also if it was a test do you think he would of pulled it back so fast after getting just a couple of votes on him. It's more likely his plan back fired and he was panicking. Through I will agree that that doesn't implicate you as his scum buddy straight off by picking you as to call town.

What might implicate you as scum through Is the way you handled it. You went out and started attacking the people who voted them calling one of them scum. You have had the opposite read on dragonspawn the whole game and have been eager to lynch them. When scum have there scum partners replace out they seem to see it as a fresh start if they were under scruitney and may be stretching to find a reason to town read them if they were bussing previously.

Even through you have scum read ds you have been willing to jump off the wagon at the slightest chance you got.


Through I will agree

[Garmr]

@Garmr
Yes, I scumread dragonspawn at some point. Yes, I jumped off his wagon because I didn't like it anymore. Then I voted his replacement. Then I stopped voting his replacement. Does this seem like something scumbuddies would do? Of course not.

As to the rest of your post, I've already stated that your argument works both ways. Scum has no reason to out themselves as a power role despite what their predecessor said, and then retract. Your only valid point is that a good test might have been able to draw out a couple more votes, but I see that as being riskier, and could understand a townie not wanting to take that risk. Most of your post is just spin, though.

Jumping on and off the wagon is what is concerning. It seems like you worry about how people view you.

If it works both ways why are you certain he is town when you had a scum read on ds slot before. I would expect a town you to keep the suspicion on ronit but bring up the possibility of why you think my reasoning can go both ways. As obviously before you had a scum read on ds.

[Garmr]

Look through the vote count it becomes obvious that you are not on dave-saz team shazam. So you being partners with ds/ronnit/dave all togther is extremely unlikely.

[Garmr]

I Still think dragonspawn/ronnit slot is scum it needs a purge.

[Garmr]

If it works both ways why are you certain he is town when you had a scum read on ds slot before. I would expect a town you to keep the suspicion on ronit but bring up the possibility of why you think my reasoning can go both ways. As obviously before you had a scum read on ds.

Simple: your argument works both ways. The arguments laid out in my post 1755 do not work both ways. I do still have some suspicions about ronit. As I said, I could be wrong. But I have a harder time seeing scum do what he did than town.

I think your argument is entirely wrong and my argument is the most likely case.

[Garmr]

I think Ronit's town...but I can't say why.

If you say because he has a power role I will cringe

[Garmr]

I think its clear who the secret vote is

[Garmr]

I thought it was someone else a

[Garmr]

Death of Dom's slot wouldn't sadden me one bit

[Garmr]

Lynching D's slot is still the best thing to do today and at this rate it will happen

[Garmr]

That makes me want to lynch you more

[Garmr]

That makes me want to lynch you more

Because your argument about me being a noob just crumbled?? I do this test in nearly every game I play in. Couldn't do it in my first one as I replaced into the last day of the game but this is my 3rd game, I am currently in 2 games.

Your predecessor was extremely scummy and has ties with the scum that flipped.