Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[ika]

ill prob be able to get to this this afternoon witn a computer

[ika]

well my internet is back up so i will catch up right now and see where i am

[ika]

ika you better be town and you better be good at mafia

no pressure

im town but i suck most times.

anyway mala/ns/singer are towns. axxel opening gives me sucm vibs. everoyne else is somewhere

VOTE: MS

i got to page 6 and then my eyes glossed fromtrying to read it all so im going with this

[ika]

zakk are you BBTs brother or something?

[ika]

hi singer how are you?

[ika]

Sup ika, have you read, yet? What're your general thoughts, and how do you feel about Maxwell, zakk, Metal Sonic, and notscience?

i posted earlier on how much i have decided ot read up. but anyway

VOTE: maxwell
VI
would vote
never touching

[ika]

ika: How is zakk a VI? Also, if the game is like 15 pages in, read it. Or, you can jump on the only wagon and ignore what happened while you were away. Your meta isn't difficult, ika, and I'll be happy to vote you if you decide to take an inactive role in this game.

You read his iso and tell me how is not a setup of a VI. Also i did read about 6 pages in then my eyes glazed over so no.

ill read up later

[ika]

Ika, if you'd been reading MY ISO, you'd see that I initially didn't like his posting, but now I do. And I've already explained that I think zakk is posting just fine. Why don't you tell me how he's been making illogical statements, or blatantly misreading, or generally not playing the game right?

does skimming coutn as reading?

as for the later, i dont deal with logic i deal with how people play and when they are blaitenty wrong this bad i put them as a VI

[ika]

axxel can you have tldr cus the posts are hard to follow like that

[ika]

@IKA

So what is your own opinion and analysis of Zakk? (and his alignment)(ive got the VI part)

the opinion is that rigt now hes town for his recklass abundance. his play frankly mirrors how i played in my early days. however i know hes wrong

moving on to BBT, i would not lynch veegee yet. one of his post pinged me.

@vegee who are you an alt of?

hi mala how are you?

pedit: 2nd that

[ika]

I'd lynch MS Mala.

but your leading the wagon on VeeGee, and sytill havent explained why he scum and not just useless.

BBT associate useless with scum and if they are town he just goes *well they were useless*

[ika]

oh and one more thing:

I'd lynch MS Mala.

but your leading the wagon on VeeGee, and sytill havent explained why he scum and not just useless.

BBT associate useless with scum and if they are town he just goes *well they were useless*

how is this bad in any way?

did i ever say it was bad and did i ever say you were supicious?

[ika]

i forget about this gaem fast....

@vee: post 42, i dont see some unknown player jsut saying that out of the blue unless they know me

@axle: i gave my view on zakk already andfor BBT i am jsut kinda ignoring him cus in every game i have played i have scum read him so im jsut putting it on ignore for now

[ika]

axel 420

it state my read on him and why

[ika]

the opinion is that rigt now hes town for his recklass abundance. his play frankly mirrors how i played in my early days. however i know hes wrong

recklass abundance == reckless large quantity?

however i know hes wrong == wrong about what?

"his play frankly mirrors how i played in my early days." == is this how you played in your early days as either alignment? or just how you played?

reckless abundance= just posting and not caring how he look or about anyone else

wrong about mala and notty

arent those the same thing? but his play is a lot how i would be in that i would not give a damn and basicly state what i think and disregard everyone and everything

[ika]

but his play is a lot how i would be in that i would not give a damn and basicly state what i think and disregard everyone and everything

and then what would you have done as scum and how would we have told the difference.

I see lack of intent in the "i would not give a damn and basicly state what i think and disregard everyone and everything"
i quite like people walking to the beat of their own drum. <3.

The latest flip onto max without reasons seems survivalistic.

the main diffrence would be that its more calculated. the play overall would be similar but i thinkits more obvious im faking it then being genuine about it

[ika]

VOTECOUNT 1.05

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MaxwellPuckett

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singersigner, notscience, Metal Sonic, Shiro, ika, [Zakk]

MS, ika and Zakk are by far and away the worst votes on this wagon.

Ika, can you just clarify why you're voting Maxwell for me please?

i cant yet due to another game

[ika]

You can identify what in this game it exactly is.

I didnt find this helpful.

when i say i cant due to another game it means i cant say anything other then "its another game"

[ika]

its entirly how hes playing ax. its not about his posts. its about his style

[ika]

im on break but i still stand by my reads.

VOTE: MS

moving on

[ika]

im on break but i still stand by my reads.

VOTE: MS

moving on

Why?

What are your reads on Mala and Shiro?

hes not in my curent own bloc

malas town, shirro is not

[ika]

Why are you reading these people the way you are reading them?

meta and guts

[ika]

...

what should i add in role reads i have on you guys as well?

[ika]

You could try to quantify some of those stances so it doesn't look like you just RNG'd a bunch of random reads to call it a day?

what you mean? i dont understand what you mean by quatify them.

(and no im not being stuid here if thats what you think i dont get that)

[ika]

mala andd NS: basily their meta as scum is to lurk de derp so if they have more then like 5 posts i am going to say they are town

also on mala in a offsite game i watched she never scum read her partners. i dont see that here

zakk already explained

singer: back in ori you pinged me sevral times, here you ahve not and from my recolation you dont bus

[ika]

vote: ika

Those are really weak reasons to have for any of your reads.

I think Mala's reads are on point. Still unsure about BBT and Shadowez but think we have time to lynch the four of them and gg no re?

fine with me we are at POE.

VOTE: ika

we can move on

[ika]

why is Mala town?

Don't give me the lurker bs.

HOW ABOUT YOU GIVE ME ONE GOD DAMN FUCKING REASON WHY SHES SCUM THEN? MY FUCKING GOD SHES DAMN TOWN I CAN LINK YOU TO FUCKING GAMES WHERE SHE DOES NOT SCUM READ HER DAMN BUDDIES AND REFUSES TO EVEN TALK TO THEM.

I READ YOUR REASONS AND THEY ARE FUCKING SHIT. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR DAMN ASS AND REALIZE SHES TOWN

[ika]

Do tell, what did you hope to accomplish with the capslock rage?

And if my reasons are shit, you should have no issue refuting them? Yet you didn't seem to comment on them once, the entire game.

Are you magically hoping that I see your caps lock rage and know the fault in my ways?

i expected to let out a lot of internal rage i have been having in my life for the past week. it was something i have been needing to do for quite some time

i ignored your reasons cus i know thwy are wrogn i have not intrest in refuting them

[ika]

to be more clear the rage wasnt entirely directed for that point, it was jsut a lot of RL shit that has been going on and it ended up coming out liek that.

as odd as it sounds its how i cope with it, i turn it into shit here

pedit: im even trying to convince you notty, your a single person who nobody is listening to

[ika]

You aren't trying to convince me, all you've said is that she lurks as scum and isn't lurking here and that's such a huge fucking copout

Guess whose meta used to only be if they lurk they're scum?

Guess who then topped the fucking postcount to break said meta?

The amount she posts isn't as important as what she posts. (that being said I do think hyperlurking and overposting are shitty, but)

and i have brought up another point that you seemed to have ignored entirly?

the fact she will nto bus or even remotely town read her buddies and at worst have them null?

[ika]

yet she still voted him.

in the other game she refused to vote scums at all

pedit: cus thats what i recall it as?

[ika]

Ika there was literally 0 fucking chance of anyone else getting lynched yesterday.

ok so? that doesnt change anything

[ika]

I don't think scum/mala's that stupid to not get the towncred when the lynch was inevitable.

Do you?

i do.

[ika]

vote: ika

Those are really weak reasons to have for any of your reads.

I think Mala's reads are on point. Still unsure about BBT and Shadowez but think we have time to lynch the four of them and gg no re?

fine with me we are at POE.

VOTE: ika

we can move on

ive done dumber
If you're town you're dumb for this

[ika]

What makes you think Ika will be more likely to happen?

Why do you think Ika is scum?

she explained it a while back

[ika]

just listen to mala ppl

btw zach the post you quoted was about notty lyning it up not her lyning it up

[ika]

Bonjour.

can i help you?

[ika]

That was rather rude, my apologies.

I disagree vehemently with the "just listen to mala" and was referring to the commercial that says you can't trust what you read over the internet.

notty what you said was nothign compared to the shit i deal with every day of my life. like mafia is petty work compared to work stuff i deal with

i dont care that you disagree personaly im jsut sayign shes probally the one who has the biggest bearings on the gaem right now and i trust her a lot more

[ika]

i already privided my imput

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

cus i reserve rights to hammer

[ika]

UNVOTE:

fixed

[ika]

'cuz hes VI , duh

fixed

[ika]

this game....

[ika]

-.-

[ika]

i rather reslove mala/BBT fisrt

[ika]

What is there to resolve?

Ika, you know I'm not scum.

im so tired i can help but laugh at how false that is. omg its great.

anyways im getting sleep i haven't gotten any

[ika]

I am not amused by the thousand softs flying around.

I am. you should try to be really tired by working a lot and get like no sleep then read this stuff. i think i reached the poitn where i just passed anger and everything is super amusing to me

pedti: lol

pedti 2: my bet is i dont. nor do i care to reslove his shit

pedti 3: so you think shes a scum jker who bused both teammate and then did a no kill?

pedti 4: so your claimign rolecop?

[ika]

can we move on and win the game already?

[ika]

VOTE: BBT

[ika]

huh?

[ika]

im gettin ready for work but i was skimming and are we setup speccing now?

i still hold to my town bloc

[ika]

cus if we are getting to that i have had ideas about potential setup based on flips and claims

[ika]

OH HAI PAGE TOP

[ika]

if anyone is going to try to fucking lych mala make an argument on how an encryptor+goon+jk is ballanced to a rolecop+backup+VT

otherwise you can stop trying to fucking lynch her

[ika]

as for setup, if one of the PR is scum its going to be the backup/rolecop itself.

imo the rolecop with backup exising would lead me to think one of them is scum

(im tired so i can setup spec later)

[ika]

vt here

[ika]

as for setup, if one of the PR is scum its going to be the backup/rolecop itself.

imo the rolecop with backup exising would lead me to think one of them is scum

(im tired so i can setup spec later)

Rolecops aren't that powerful for town in a small game, and have the inherent assumption that they're a scum role. Why would you think either of them are scum?

Also, with the claims on the table, why hasn't anyone asked what those results were just to narrow it down? >_>

ballance reasons. jk+encypt is massivly brkoen in town favor (and rolecop could see jk as town role), everyone else has claimed VT so far so running that everyone is claiming truthfully, it would lead to be one of them

and rolecop is actualy one of the most powerful tools for a scum to use in in a small game.

[ika]

can we do me first?

[ika]

-.-

why is this game not over

[ika]

mod vc

[ika]

am i l-1 yet?

like im tired and cranky and im willing to self hammer to move the game on

[ika]

the no killing was entertaining

im fine with release

[ika]

i still think the double investigatve (even if it was odd/even) was a little lopsided to town

[ika]

i still think the double investigatve (even if it was odd/even) was a little lopsided to town

I wanted to give scum a 1 or 2 shot roleblock, but the reviewers for balance wouldn't let me.

i saw that and i think that would of at least ballaneced out the jker for us.

cus i mean in the way it went out, the jker is basically another cop to us. if it was doctor it would of been fine without RB.

*shrugs*

can we see review thread

[ika]

Metal and I faced an odd/even investigative in BEES, and we had a perfect scum win with only an encryptor and 2 goons, so it's possible. Town also had an encryptor-enabler and two backup innocent children, so we could have lost our encryptorness and town had extra power compared to here.

I don't think this was too townsided, but maybe a tiny bit.

Maybe, but in a hypoteticl worst case scnario (that kinda played out here) is that scums can get lynch and then guiltily back to back.

My mod model i run behind is "how fast can a faction lose", if towns lose in the first 2 days(ie lynch/multi/vig ect) town needs more power and/or sucms need a nerf. If the oppoiste is true (ie scum can get one cycled by investigations or stuff) then scums need a power buff and/or town need s a nerf

Again i enjoyed the game overall frogger and theres no harp on you, its more on the reviews side that i have problems with

pedit: i dont disagre rng can sometimes ballance it but i also try to take a real standpoint at the same time

[ika]

In terms of balance, keep in mind that two scum were lynched in the first two days, with basically no PR input - that will make any game seem town-sided, regardless of actual balance.

Even then, roles should account for such situations that come up.

[ika]

... No?

If scum gets lynched early, that is known as rewarding good town play (or punishing poor scum play - same net result). This should by definition result in scum having a worse chance to win. (The same applies in the reverse scenario.)

*shrugs*

agree to disagree in general. I acknowledged that scums got lynch outside of PR play but in the big picture it could of been by PR play. I was looking at it on the net role and not net play.