Micro 532: Anything UPick! (Day1)

[Luna Fox]

Hello All!

[Luna Fox]

Ok (inb4 someone votes you for stealing their second)

[Luna Fox]

Davsto is town because 2 ppl decided to jump onto him for disagreeing about font tastes (spoilers: i like comic sans)

[Luna Fox]

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

[Luna Fox]

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

Serious vote here or not?

How about you tell me what you think it is and why. I have more fun figuring out what you're thinking that way.

[Luna Fox]

Hint: Luna never RVS's

[Luna Fox]

I'm getting freaky vibes from Luna too, ugh she's just so like unnatural!

Cool to know that you feel i'm unnatural, now explain why i'm scum.

[Luna Fox]

Luna - Explain your reason in 14 further please.

I already said.
Opportunism.
If we don't treat RVS seriously then RVS is pointless.

[Luna Fox]

but I don't like that vote at all.

Why?

[Luna Fox]

Because i said it was serious?
What if i had said it was a joke?
Would bulge have felt threatened by it?
Obviously everyone's reacting to the vote for it being serious
This is effectively a decent end to RVS.
I'd argue that my vote has achievemed more than all those "joke" votes posted during RVS

[Luna Fox]

Yeah but your theory of the 1st person would be town and the 2nd person scum is not serious and is pointless.

How do you know?
Do you disagree that it's more likely for town or scum to follow a vote onto someone for silly reasons?
I'd argue otherwise.

[Luna Fox]

I think it's as easy as one another.
Scum want to make a reason to vote a town. If a chance comes up great, but I can see it swinging either way.

I'd think voting someone for sheeping a reason to vote someone is something scum are more likely to do during RVS, of course, they might be town, but it's a chance that's worth enough of a vote for a page 1 read.

[Luna Fox]

Also, @Luna. Why do you think that scum would do such a risky move? Why would, in your opinion, anyone that forms a wagon in RVS is likely to be scum.
To me it's more of a way to push the game, like what you did.
Also, saying that it's 'opportunism' doesn't cut it. Forming wagons in RVS isn't really a scumtell for me.

It's not about the wagon per se, it's RVSing for the exact same reason on the exact same person, it's not a risky move because scum will just say "Bah that was just RVS you're reading too much into it", which is why im saying that i always take RVS seriously, otherwise RVS is pointless. When you sheep someone onto a wagon for their exact same reason it counts as opportunism imo, as i said tho, it's not that strong of a read that Bulge is like 100% scum and i'll push him with the holy fire of justice.
It's enough of a Page 1 read to push for more info tho, specially with the OMGUS reaction taken.
Or do you think that voting seriously onto someone at page 1 is a legit reason to be scumread?

[Luna Fox]

as my vote is intended there anyway

^
Possibly scum excuse here, scum have more tendency to have static reads over dynamic ones. Feels like one of those "Oh hey look i have been scumreading her so this is obviously not clashing with any reads i have had"

[Luna Fox]

@Luna I agree with you. I just needed reasons and no, I don't think seriously voting someone on page 1 is a legit scumtell.

Voting seriously early? That's fine. Voting seriously because someone parroted a stupid joke? Now that is scummy.

>Stupid Joke
Why do you think that "Stupid Joke" was their reasons for voting?
People in RVS have only the information given by their Role PM, and they will act in instinct as such, the act of Parroting was made with scum motivation due to a player they know to be town. I can seriously believe that you would think that you can joke throughout RVS and get any sort of information when everyone will just say "Oh but it was just a joke why are you taking it seriously"

Meh, at this point im just repeating myself, my argument has been made, i am scumhunting, you are just voting playstyles you dont like.

P-Edit: That was directed at Davsto

[Luna Fox]

as my vote is intended there anyway

^
Possibly scum excuse here, scum have more tendency to have static reads over dynamic ones. Feels like one of those "Oh hey look i have been scumreading her so this is obviously not clashing with any reads i have had"

um

no

what it was is he didn't want to vote to put you at L-1, but since someone removed their vote he put it on because he was no longer putting it at L-1. That's not scummy. That's sensibility.

This implies that nothing i did changed such read, since i have answered his questions in full, this means he has other questions or didnt like my answers, in whichever case you'd think he'd be either posting more questions or a case, i don't see either, do you?

[Luna Fox]

Now, do you think it's standard me to do this, or unusual me to do this? - Serious question.

I come from the basic assumption that town will try to sort people, this is usually done by interaction, asking questions, making cases, etc.
You asked me some questions, I answered them, your vote still went to me, So i assume that you still think im scum despite my answers, you are not asking me any further questions nor are trying to sell my case to anyone so they follow you, so i assume you're not trying to sort me, rather you saw something weak you could push and went along with it.

i am scumhunting

I thought that you didn't really scum hunt and you town hunt instead?

It depends on the game, but since i was outed i decided to just go back to my old playstyle anyway, Townhunting hasn't really worked for me as much as i'd have hoped.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna I agree with you. I just needed reasons and no, I don't think seriously voting someone on page 1 is a legit scumtell.

Voting seriously early? That's fine. Voting seriously because someone parroted a stupid joke? Now that is scummy.

>Stupid Joke
Why do you think that "Stupid Joke" was their reasons for voting?
People in RVS have only the information given by their Role PM, and they will act in instinct as such, the act of Parroting was made with scum motivation due to a player they know to be town. I can seriously believe that you would think that you can joke throughout RVS and get any sort of information when everyone will just say "Oh but it was just a joke why are you taking it seriously"

Meh, at this point im just repeating myself, my argument has been made, i am scumhunting, you are just voting playstyles you dont like.

P-Edit: That was directed at Davsto

Okay, so what you're saying is that any player who is the second vote on any other player is totally scum?

Yeh

thought so

My silly "Comic Sans" joke was bound to draw RVS votes.

The point you're trying to make is that "people can go back and say it's just a joke" but it was a joke

while they made it

and is very clear about this, thus you've sorta hit a (il)logical wall.

Read my post 41 again, your answers are there.

[Luna Fox]

So, since you think what im doing is scum motivated, let's play a little game:
Why would Scum me, not simply have followed suit and voted for the same "comic sans joke" reason that everyone else was doing.
I can clear myself with the excuse of "Oh it was just a joke", and blend myself in with the voters.
However while i made an non-RVS vote, that's caused enough reactions to get us out of RVS.
I already explained my reasonings further in the post i just linked to you.

Unless you can explain why there's a clear scum motivation in the actions im doing, your case ammounts to "playstyle clash" or just "scummy town" but not "scum".

[Luna Fox]

Im so certain, that you wont find any scum motivation on my actions, that i'll even dare to say that if you find one single scum motivation for my actions that are clearly more beneficial to scum me as opposed to other possible actions i could have taken at that point in time, i'll self vote and let you guys speed lynch me.

[Luna Fox]

As scum, you don't need to town hunt as you already know all the town (Or at least who isn't Mafia).

It's funny, back when i mentioned my playstyle was townhunting people saw i was scum because it's easy for scum to townread the town.
Now that i reverted back to townhunting, apparently im scum for the same reason.

This is quite a hilarious case you got there.

[Luna Fox]

Why would Scum me, not simply have followed suit and voted for the same "comic sans joke" reason that everyone else was doing.

The primary reason you would do this is because your scum partners are not on the wagon or did this reason.
So you try to push for a mis lynch.

If i were doing that then i would've voted along bulge, not against him, do you disagree?

[Luna Fox]

Now that i reverted back to

scum

hunting, apparently im scum for the same reason.

Fixed that for me

[Luna Fox]

I disagree. You just want to draw attention to people rather than yourself or scum partners.
Might not be the case but you did ask for a scum minded reason.

And who would be these supposed partners? Unless you think Davsto is scum and i didn't want to bus, then his vote on me doesn't make any sense, disagree?

[Luna Fox]

Your argument was actually that you always town hunt.
Now you are scum hunting... I've never seen you scum hunt before this game.

Yeah so? that doesnt change my argument.

[Luna Fox]

I disagree. You just want to draw attention to people rather than yourself or scum partners.
Might not be the case but you did ask for a scum minded reason.

And who would be these supposed partners? Unless you think Davsto is scum and i didn't want to bus, then his vote on me doesn't make any sense, disagree?

I don't think that you are getting what I am saying.
This is why I try not to waste many comments with you because it's always the same with you...
I'll let others have an opinion but I'm going with scum on you.

Your argument is that i wanted a mislynch.
If i wanted a mislynch i would have jumped on Davsto, this is only not a mislynch if Davsto is scum with me.
So no, i don't see what you're saying.

[Luna Fox]

Im so certain, that you wont find any scum motivation on my actions, that i'll even dare to say that if you find one single scum motivation for my actions that are clearly more beneficial to scum me as opposed to other possible actions i could have taken at that point in time, i'll self vote and let you guys speed lynch me.

okay

How about by trying to start a wagon on town and trying to appear townie for having the "first serious post" in the game and trying to move the game along?

I'd argue that the former i wouldn't need to "start a wagon" and would've rather "jumped onto the already wagon" for "moving the game along reasons" too.
Why would my scum motivation be "appear townie" instead of simply because "i am town"? this still doesn't make any sense.

[Luna Fox]

Here's a question for you. Why would scum care to push a wagon in RVS? The only wavy the wagon would get to L-1 would be with both the scum on it and 2 town, and that would immediatly throw suspision on on the wagon, leaving town with only 4 players to sort through to find scum on D1, which is HORRIBLE for them.The basic assumption of your read requires that the wagon might lead to a Lynch, which is false. Your vote, on the other hand, is serious and intended to lead to, if not a Lynch, suspision thrown on (I forgot who it was and also phoneposting) by the rest of the town. Your vote seems more suspisiius, then, due to the tenuous logic. Enough for a page 1 read, at least.

1) They would care because it's the easiest way to blend in with town, by copying their actions.
2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.
3) Cool to know that im suspicious for my actions, but i don't see how those "actions" are suspicious or scum motivated, try again.

[Luna Fox]

Look, you made an absolutely bullshit push on someone Page 1.

I know it was bullshit, you know it was bullshit, so does everyone else.

That is enough to make me scumread you.

I'd argue we've gained a lot of info from this "BS push" as you're saying it.
Look at the person that sheeped me, if im scum, he's my partner? COULD BE! if im town, he could be scum? POSSIBLY!
Look at the votes that have piled on me and look at the arguments behind them, no one has still provided a valid reason why i would do that as scum instead of doing it simply... because i'm town.
As for "everyone else" i'd argue that there's at least 2 people that have at least agreed with my arguments or not voted me.
9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

[Luna Fox]

2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.

It looks to me like you're saying that anyone who takes part in RVS is scum. This is the stupidest thing I've heard.

This is misrepresentantion.
I said that it's easier for scum to blend in RVS, than push the way i was pushing, do you disagree?

[Luna Fox]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

[Luna Fox]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

There is no opertunism because there is no opertunity. If scum wanted to stay hidden in RVS they'd vote literally anyone, same as town. So the only other opertunity would be a myslynch, which wont happen in RVS. So your argument, adjusted for logic, is "he told the same joke as pepto"



Explain to me how that is good scumhunting, cause I don't get it.

Did you even read my 41 at all...
I'm not only looking at the person i'm voting, i made a push for reasons i found were enough for a scumread on page 1, im looking at everyone and everyone's interactions with me/my reasons/etc.
Considering you think im so scum for this.
What do you make of the 2 ppl that have either "not voted me" (notscience) or unvoted me because they liked my reasons (Tetaes).

[Luna Fox]

Sigh... im tired of explaining, lynch me or whatever if you think that's scummy.
All i feel here is we're going in circles and scum are rejoicing on jumping on an easy target.

[Luna Fox]

Saying you must be town because 2 others (seem to) agree with you doesn't fly because it implies town can't disagree with town.

I'm not saying that, quote where i did, i'm not implying it either.
I'm saying we are getting info in the form of how people are reacting towards me and my wagon, we already know what a lot of you think of me, but there's a couple of people that think differently, if you're scumhunting you need to have a broader scope, not a tunnel.

[Luna Fox]

9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

ahem

Oh i guess i did, i misremembered then.

[Luna Fox]

The problem is Luna, other people are not participating right now. I agree that we need to make sure that we don't tunnel over this, but possibly (and only possibly) the inactivity of this game so far gives you off as the biggest scum read.

Problem is that you guys are only looking at me with Scum painted glasses.
Critical thinking comes from looking at the possibility of me being town and whether my actions also make sense with that mindset (since apparently you guys think it makes sense as scum).

See, this is why i wanted to drop my scumhunting strategies in favor of townhunting ones.
Everytime i do this with my unconventional scumhunting methods people scumread me, because i scumread people for batshit crazy reasons, and for some reason, im usually accurate, i don't know why or how. Believe what you want to believe, multiple times i've correctly scumread someone off entirely their RVS post and been correct, but with attitude like this people tend to drive me into second guessing myself and losing the game afterwards.

Inb4 Self-meta = scum.

[Luna Fox]

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

I wouldn't count might be random when i have an accuracy rate of 70% out of about 80 games.
But of course all you have for me is my word

[Luna Fox]

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

I wouldn't count might be random when i have an accuracy rate of 70% out of about 80 games.
But of course all you have for me is my word

This is such bullshit. XD

If you wanna know what is bullshit, i would point at you at the reason, the guy above me is scumreading me for.

[Luna Fox]

That's 10/10 defence right there.
What gets me is if people always scum read you for your bad scum reads, why are you scum reading in this game rather than town reading.
Keeping in mind you don't get seen as scum much when you are town reading.

Yeah that's a good point, i don't know why i did that, nevertheless, i did, that still, doesn't equal i'm scum.
Now i'll ask you a question.
Considering we've verified that is true that when I scumhunt i get scumread more often than when i become obvtown by townhunting, why would my super awesome scum strategy be to come... and scumhunt?

[Luna Fox]

So another thing i've been noticing, some ppl, pretty much pepto but i dont remember if i saw another one mention it.
Says that Tetaes is scum for agreeing with me, so since he's scumreading me, means everyone else is town, which is the people scumreading me.
This goes back to the faulty logic that "I'm right, therefore everyone that agrees with me is town and everyone that disagrees with me is scum", while we all would love that scum would be that obvious because games would be as easy as pushing someone and whoever defended them = scum, then town would win the vast majority of the games.

I'm pretty sure i don't have to point out why this isn't true, and if you think this is then you should go back to The road to rome and play more newbie games.

All that argument shows is that you have convinced yourself so much that im scum, that you're either (Scum that can't back off of a mislynch) or (Conf bias town), do i have to spell it out why both of these are bad?.

If i was scum my partner wouldn't have issue blending in in a bus, and since im town, im pretty sure i dont have to mention why there's a high chance the people voting me already are scum.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway, as a last comment about my meta, i'm pretty sure you can already see why a lot of people hated me for it (Assume i'm town).
This will probably be the last time I use this playstyle, it is not fun for me, nor for the gamestate.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway i'm the fox, a town even-night tracker, a role that can be easily verified.
Make of that what you will

[Luna Fox]

Anyway i'm the fox, a town even-night tracker, a role that can be easily verified.
Make of that what you will

So explain to me why you are role revealing at L2?

Short Explanation: To break the loop

Spoiler: Long Explanation

We've been circling around the reasoning and motivations of my vote on Bulge, to the point that this is now beating a dead horse, I've been trying to shift the discussion elsewhere for ages, and people keep looking back at it, i made the claim as a ways of a roleblock in the loop, because 1) People will believe my claim and move on or 2) They won't, but in either case, people now have something NEW to talk about and will stop beating a dead horse.

[Luna Fox]

And a role that requires we keep you around till D3 to verify.

Either you believe the role, or you don't
This is a Black/White argument.
If you don't believe it, then lynch me today, it's obvious my presence is a distraction at this point.
If you believe the role, then stop voting me, and do something more productive.

[Luna Fox]

But how can we ever verify it rather than you saying - Yeah I checked the guy who died last night, he visited/didn't visit.

That would mean that we got unlucky, and town will lose unless you've lynched scum, because then that will be LyLo.
I never lie however, But i wouldn't want to go to the grave without claiming.
So despite of whether im actually town or scum, i am indeed an Even-Night Tracker.

[Luna Fox]

Oh hey look i just gave you guys more reasons to lynch me.

[Luna Fox]

but it doesn't fully surprise me with Luna.

Why is that? Just curious.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway, now that you've unvoted me i got a question for you

Do you think my push on Bulge was because i legit had a scumread there, or to get us out of RVS.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway, now that you've unvoted me i got a question for you

Do you think my push on Bulge was because i legit had a scumread there, or to get us out of RVS.

Out of the 2 I would expect because you had a scum read even if it had no logic to it.

It was actually both, i did say i never lie, so if you were paying attention to my posts you'd know this.
I've mentioned both in Page 2 and why, in addition i mentioned how strong my read on Bulge was, the strength was "enough for a page 1 read", i'll leave to your interpretation how strong that means.

Anyway, who else are you scumreading/townreading, why?

[Luna Fox]

I don't really buy a role that would take the magjority of the game to verify. It's a very conveniant role for you to have in your position.

VOTE: Luna to put you back at 3

Cool, let's keep helping scum kill PRs.

[Luna Fox]

I don't really buy a role that would take the magjority of the game to verify. It's a very conveniant role for you to have in your position.

VOTE: Luna to put you back at 3

Cool, let's keep helping scum kill PRs.

Then where should he vote?
Sell us something that is logical.

Bulge

[Luna Fox]

If you don't think there's any other place to vote, why did you remove yours?

[Luna Fox]

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

Good vote! You go girl!

V

Hint: Luna never RVS's

okay, thanks

Davsto is town because 2 ppl decided to jump onto him for disagreeing about font tastes (spoilers: i like comic sans)

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

VOTE: Luna Fox for taking a pair of obvious joke votes seriously enough to vote.

Hi! VOTE: Luna Fox for stealing my first.

I don't care that she stole your first!

I'm just gonna park my vote here for now.

VOTE: Vedith

I don't care that you're parking your vote!

VOTE: Dave for complaining about mod font.

Oveously the most scummy thing.

I don't care that you are bad at this game!

Hi! VOTE: Luna Fox for stealing my first.

I'm just gonna park my vote here for now.

VOTE: Vedith

VOTE: Dave for complaining about mod font.

Oveously the most scummy thing.

Woohoo! Great job voting, guys! Keep those scumhunting instincts sharp! Go team! \o/

I, like, totally don't have Comic Sans on my phone! So I, like, literally can't even sympathize with you, betch!
VOTE: Davsto

\o/

I don't care for your attitude.

VOTE: Bulge

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

I don't care that you beat me to the punch!

V! O! T! E! Lynch some scum and vote with me! \o/
VOTE: Luna Fox

I'm totally feeling you Davsto gurlfrand, 19 like totally hits the nail on the head. I'm getting freaky vibes from Luna too, ugh she's just so like unnatural!

Nice 180 there

[Luna Fox]

I also don't understand your case here... Because he said good vote to you then voted you?

Ok so im going to explain it to you in very simple terms.

Bulge sheeps this p guy onto Davsto
I vote Bulge
He likes my vote
Davsto asks me whether my vote is serious or not.
I say it's serious.
Davsto votes me because my vote is serious.
Bulge also votes me because my vote is serious.

This hits 3 things. A 180 flip on his stance re: my vote, parroting/sheeping Davsot AND bordelrine OMGUS

[Luna Fox]

<Not Serious>

Also he was the 3rd person on my wagon, Classic scumtell

</Not Serious>

[Luna Fox]

And what's your opinion on the post restrictions being possible?

Oh forgot this.
My opinion is that i've never seen a non-Bastard game have post restrictions, so not possible.

[Luna Fox]

I think bastard games would normally be advertised as specifically Bastard, no?
Or do you think we are going to expect alignment changes, cults, jesters, what not.

I doubt it.
I also doubt there are any post restrictions in this game, from what i've seen so far, considering how basic my role is, i can just assume, that this game was, attempted to be balanced, and so, bastard mechanics, are not in play.

[Luna Fox]

I believe the claim. I believe you may be a Tracker.

But Tracker can be Scum, too. Hence, I'm keeping my vote.

Cool

[Luna Fox]

I really love these games, I'm always at the spot light and nothing i say matters, no matter how many times i explain something, people never trust anything i say... yaaay.

Meh... why do i even bother.

[Luna Fox]

Here, it's obvious this game isn't going to progress unless i die so go ahead
VOTE: Luna

[Luna Fox]

See what I mean on over dramatic?

Do i have any reason to be optimistic about the fight that i've been the center topic since page 2 and all these pages i've spent explaining my thought process 1000000 times and ppl still think i'm scum?

[Luna Fox]

fight = fact.

I can't even type right anymore

[Luna Fox]

It's obvious people are too busy inflating their egos because they think that only their thought process is right, and any contrarian is not aligned with them ergo "not town" at this point, i can't even tell, who's town or who's scum from the people pushing me, and my existance is just making this game not fun for me, and is getting in the way of progress, ergo, the best solution is for me to die.

[Luna Fox]

Top scumreads, who, why?

Bulge, i already explained why.

[Luna Fox]

Top scumreads, who, why?

Bulge, i already explained why.

scumread

s

plural

Any others? Or am I gonna start considering it ironic that you accuse us of tunneling?

v

It's obvious people are too busy inflating their egos because they think that only their thought process is right, and any contrarian is not aligned with them ergo "not town"

at this point, i can't even tell, who's town or who's scum from the people pushing me

, and my existance is just making this game not fun for me, and is getting in the way of progress, ergo, the best solution is for me to die.

[Luna Fox]

Oh right, after making me depressed NOW you realize that scum could be hiding elsewhere.
Sigh...


I don't even know what to say anymore

Unvote
Vote: Bulge

[Luna Fox]

Also i'm self hammering if im ever at L-1, just letting you know, because i still believe that im just being an obstruction at this point.

[Luna Fox]

(And this is exactly why i hated this old playstyle, for anyone wondering)

[Luna Fox]

You don't want to play to your win conditions?

If my presence is obstructing town from finding scum.
Then hell yeah it is playing to my win condition.

[Luna Fox]

Oh right, after making me depressed NOW you realize that scum could be hiding elsewhere.
Sigh...


I don't even know what to say anymore

Unvote
Vote: Bulge

nononono

I still think you're scum.

There's just more than one. Getting more interaction and stuff helps us to find the other in the future days. Or, in the off chance that you are town, it helps us find the scum in future days.

So what will you do when I flip town?
Say "OH WELL SHE WAS SCUMMY SO YEAH"
Yeah no.

This is why.

I hate being scumread for silly reasons and tunneled to the point where people just see me with scum painted glasses instead of looking at my expolanations. They just don't put any effort into actually reading me and then when i flip town, they blame it on me, i've experienced 50+ mislynches to know that this is what's going to happen.

[Luna Fox]

I've already tried.
I encoutnered heavy resistance to everything i try to do.

Conclusion: I give up.

[Luna Fox]

It's like i haven't been repeteadly telling people to "Hey why would i do this, look at what the other people are doing, tell me your conclusions" it always devolves to "NOPE YOU'RE SCUM", how am i supposed to read people with that kind of mentality?

[Luna Fox]

Please do note that those 2 posts happened while i was gathering these, but i don't want the effort to be lost so:

As proof im going to restate what you've guys been saying during the last 2 pages:

Giving a name isn't selling it.
I'd like him to say more over the matter but I don't think his vote was scummy.

Question directed at me.

And what's your opinion on the post restrictions being possible?

I also don't understand your case here... Because he said good vote to you then voted you?

More questions directed at me.

I believe the claim. I believe you may be a Tracker.

But Tracker can be Scum, too. Hence, I'm keeping my vote.

Another hyperfocusing on me

I'm pretty sure you're scum, but I would hate if I didn't ask this question and you dieded.

Top scumreads, who, why?

Another question towards me (which i had already answered beforehand)

I'd like to see other players' reactions to this whole thing.

First thing that isn't related towards me, but there's already players with reactions towards me, so more emptyness.

nononono

I still think you're scum.

There's just more than one. Getting more interaction and stuff helps us to find the other in the future days. Or, in the off chance that you are town, it helps us find the scum in future days.

And yet, everything im saying goes ignored.

[Luna Fox]

Basically what im trying to say is.
there's been a lot of hyperfocusing on me, and those stances arent changing despite several explanations, so lynching me is the best option, since if nothing i've done so far makes you think im town, nothing will, i've already done my best effort, i can't really do anything better to show you guys where you're going wrong and why, and im just sad that despite my efforts, everyone just seem to keep ignoring it and just hyperfocuses on me, hence why i believe my death is only a good thing for the town.

Anyway im done with the subject, gonna take a nap.

[Luna Fox]

Also before I go...

notscience i see you posting elsewhere im going to get incredibly paranoid if you continue avoiding this game.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: notscience
Ok, now you have a read that's above 70% certainty of a scum flip.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna_Fox the original "good vote" comment was like soo not srs #180 #girls #cheer #wcw

I see.

Also i guess he does have a post restriction, either that or he's role playing, either way looks cool.

[Luna Fox]

Actually i was the first one to suggest it, but everyone ignored it and kept overfocusing on me.

[Luna Fox]

See that's exactly how badly you were tunneling considering you didn't even notice that.

[Luna Fox]

Asking for towncred for being the first when you weren't the first is what im talking about.
It's not a given, i was answering questions, when we were going nowehre was when i wanted people to focus elsewhere, part of me claiming was because ppl didnt want to move on from the same subject, so don't come saying "uhh i was the first, ergo your case is bollocks"

[Luna Fox]

Meanwhile notscience has been avoiding this thread and it's a known meta scumtell of his.
Oh wait im the one who said that
OMG SO IM TRYING TO GET A MISLYNCH!

[Luna Fox]

Meanwhile notscience has been avoiding this thread and it's a known meta scumtell of his.
Oh wait im the one who said that
OMG SO IM TRYING TO GET A MISLYNCH!

How many games have you played with NS?

Over 9000!

In all seriousness more than 10-20, have played with him for over 2 years and a half and we're very good friends outside of mafia.

[Luna Fox]

He used to be a lot less enganging and apathetic in his scum games than his town games, while he has overcome this to some extent and also sometimes real life causes him to also be less of a pressence in his town games, it's fairly telling when he's posting in other games but not here, because now i know, that his lack of presence isnt due to real life, but due to possibly a scum alignment, if this was 2 years ago, this would be about 100% a scumtell, which is why nowadays it's about 70% which is enough of a confidence for me to vote.

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE: notscience

[Luna Fox]

Oh The ROLLCLAIM, sorry

It seems convenient, since she can only do it even nights, we'd have to wait till D3 to "easily verify" it. Honestly the only thing that makes me think Luna might be town is that scum wouldn't dare be so suicidal.

Follow up question - How can we easily verify it on day 3?
I think that we should give her more credit to the fact that she would be a little more creative as scum. I've seen odd and even nights for roles enough to accept them. Does this seem un ordinary since we have 2 post restriction roles?

Btw im going to add that i could be lying about being an Even-Night tracker when im actually an Odd-Night tracker to fool scum in case they have a roleblocker.
If there's another Even/Odd-Night tracker (or another role i guess) then they would know, and i wouldn't put it past the existance of the other pair existing if we already got a pair of post restrictions, I would however disagree that one of them has to be necessarily scum, but it's this kind of setup spec i'd expect from town notscience.

[Luna Fox]

Also idk why i quoted that.

[Luna Fox]

Oh Luna is caledwitch that explains the crazy jokeß jokes

Wrong.

[Luna Fox]

So you haven't even considered the possibility that you're wrong about this. Consider it. Arrogance will get you nowhere in scumhunting.

Pot meets kettle.

[Luna Fox]

she did nothing to suggest her innocence

Apparently im blind, because im pretty sure at least 3-4 ppl have disagreed with this.
Maybe all of them are my scumbuddies?
Oh wait, you said that if im town, the people suspecting me is scum that's.... you and Davsto.

[Luna Fox]

Save sci and tet, that is.

Bulge said it's meta.

[Luna Fox]

Also VI? Really? If that's how you guys are going to treat me i rather you lynch me.

[Luna Fox]

Perhaps i'm counting meta as VI? I'm standing by my previous assessment that you pulled stupid stunts and got lucky a few times.

If it was just "lucky" scum wouldnt use strategies to lower my confidence when they know im not just getting "lucky" (True story commented by a scumteam on another game: Their strategy was to lower my confidence because they know my instincts are pretty good)

[Luna Fox]

He means you don't see past your own scope of what's town and what's scum, so you can't see other people's playstyles, i have made several arguments that make sense, just because they don't make sense in your mind, doesn't mean they don't make sense, does that make sense?

[Luna Fox]

I prefer to be called Luna now you know.

[Luna Fox]

Don't worry, that was already outed elsewhere anyway. Doesn't change the fact that this is my main now and how i prefer to be called.

[Luna Fox]

Well now it should be easier for you and bulge to link my meta in either case.

[Luna Fox]

Well it's not like my meta would help if not for the fact that this is my only game as Luna where i've used my old playstyle, mostly because i wanted to show why i hated it and why i wanted to move away from it, i got hated a lot because of it, and this is my way of "ammending" it while trying something new, here i mostly abide for never hating anyone, and always having fun regardless, also because i wanted to move away from my emotional outbursts, but... they still happen unfortunately.

I would rather make more friends than hating anyone, and i sincerely do apologize if anyone hated my old acct, or my playstyle this game, hope you understand now why im moving away from it.

[Luna Fox]

notty's just one of the site's setup spec experts, but even with that i have a hard time believing that because 2 similar post restrictions exist one of them has to necessarily be scum. Bulge's still a gut scumread tho, but i want to hear from othes on this.

[Luna Fox]

notty, i would argue that Bulge's post restriction is harsher than yours since you apparently can still post normally, while he seems like he cant.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna_Fox the original "good vote" comment was like soo not srs #180 #girls #cheer #wcw

Still reads like a cheerleader, and I am actually going to need you to divulge some reasons. Respect has no place in scumhunting, sorry to say.

Nvm I like read her ISO and she like mentioned it herself already. Luna is town from meta! \o/

These posts werent quoting a vote, yet he keeps the cheerleader talk.

[Luna Fox]

while he

seems

like he cant.

keyword there.

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE: davy
VOTE: davy

Haha this made me smile, I like you ^_^

[Luna Fox]

I'd think if you're that new to mafia, you'd be playing a newbie game, not here. Doing an ego search turns that this is the only game they have posted in, and the micro queue is the only queue they have posted in, definitely an alt playing dumb

[Luna Fox]

notty what do you think of Eme, alt pretending to be a total newbie, or real total newbie.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Bulge
L-1

[Luna Fox]

Inb4 Ene hammers and then goes "Wait, i wasnt supposed to do that?!"

[Luna Fox]

Weren't you supposed to quote my vote?

[Luna Fox]

Also why are you going ika mode now.

[Luna Fox]

Also i think Tetaes is town.

[Luna Fox]

Apparently you'll still doubt me regardless of what he flips.

[Luna Fox]

Oh snap they figured us out, drat, we were doing so well!

[Luna Fox]

Btw Ene's probs scum.

[Luna Fox]

I dont think a townie playing on an alt would be acting this dumb, do you?

[Luna Fox]

Seriously?

[Luna Fox]

I can't even think of anyone who would act like this on a main acct with things like "What is RVS?" "How to scumhunt?"

[Luna Fox]

What the fuck lyncher!
*headdesk*

[Luna Fox]

I'm really mad now, i couldn't have reasonably anticipated a role like that on a 9p game.

[Luna Fox]

I legit didnt think there would be a Lyncher in this setup, that makes matters worse if there's 2 mafia, that makes today 4-2 MyLo

[Luna Fox]

I was wondering where everyone else went, then i realized i never received a daystart PM

[Luna Fox]

Should've stuck to my guns when notty had commited his famous activity tell... I feel horrible now

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Vedith

[Luna Fox]

Now that's an interesting vote.
Care to explain?

Worst reaction so far to the flips

[Luna Fox]

Rather that he seems unfazed by the fact that we just lost 2 ppl because one of them was a lyncher.

[Luna Fox]

Interesting, so you're saying i was targeted during N1, but you don't know who?

[Luna Fox]

I actually prefer Miss Luna thanks ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Probably someone who would prevent me from doing my tracker duties, do you disagree?

[Luna Fox]

Unfortunately I wouldn't know who, but is definitively not a member of the town.

[Luna Fox]

What I'm more interested in is why you don't already know who broke in.

Probably that's her role.
It wouldn't be the first time i see it, and the fact that we had a lyncher throws away any kind of reasonable speculation.

What bothers me is that we have very weak roles so far

[Luna Fox]

Wait, are we massclaiming or something?
I don't think it would benefit town more than scum right now.

I didnt suggest massclaiming, nor i think anyone did.
But this has high potential of being MyLo so if anyone would've actually suggested it i would agree.

[Luna Fox]

Uh what.
Was that sarcasm, that post seems like you're backpedaling on your stance of your previous post wrt massclaim.

[Luna Fox]

Ene gave out info she got (I was targeted)
My role was already claimed D1, i just made an inference that i could be either Odd or Even Night Tracker.
I don't see anyone else claiming anything.

[Luna Fox]

I think you're exagerating, i claimed D1, i couldn't have anticipated losing 3 players over the course of a day/night cycle.
Ene has role related information, so she outed it.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: No Lynch
I agree about this

[Luna Fox]

I thought No Lynch is usually with half the players, not half+1
But i didnt see anything about no lynching in the rules

[Luna Fox]

Eh it depends on the mod, but im assuming the same thing since it's absent from the rules.

[Luna Fox]

Inb4 i get NK'd because everyone but pepsto is townreading me...

[Luna Fox]

However, Luna is town for the flavour, the role is good enough for the flavour and believable. The dramatic reaction was a huge tell as well.

Don't use this as a reason for townreading me btw, im pretty sure if i had rolled scum the mod would've given me scum tracker which would still fit with the flavour.