Mini 499: Just Your typical Mafia Game GAME OVER!!!!!!!!

[theopor_COD]

Hi guys.

vote AlyG

Because I can.

[theopor_COD]

Aly at least stick your neck out. If you find what I did scummy then vote me - you seem rather defensive about it, 3 votes in getting 7 isn't threatening, bandwagons are good for information as we all know.

[theopor_COD]

I tell you why.

It's because he's scum and knows my vote oozes townieness.

Shaka 4 votes isn't overly scummy - he isn't going to get speed lynched by 3 scum now is he.

[theopor_COD]

Cheeky - Why did you vote Cicero, fail to respond to Flea's question and then unvote.

My vote on AlyG was in essence of an early bandwagon, I'm still not entirely happy with his play, namely casting suspicion on me but random voting Flea, however I'm not enthralled by your play either.

[theopor_COD]

So based on the fact Cicero didn't confirm early, he's not scum. I appreciate you might think that's random, but it seems to me your giving him a free pass far too easily. I could go and check all previous games to see if those who confirm last are usually town (I won't - I have a life, just . . )

Happy birthday pwayne66

unvote, vote cheeky-little-asian

[theopor_COD]

pwayne66 - I'm voting for cheeky-little-asian and yep I have a good reason for it. See my previous post.

I don't think we need to speculate about the third on a bandwagon being scum issue either, again I could go back and read every other game on this site and I don't think anything would be conclusive. Some players like to throw votes around, join bandwagons what not, some players play a lot more cautiously.

p.s everyone just call me Theo, cheers.

[theopor_COD]

Finger of Suspicion.

Go view the WIKI it's very useful.

[theopor_COD]

I see no reason to move my vote until CLA at least checks in and responds.

[theopor_COD]

Nuke BM

I really want to hear from our absent friend CLA.

Until a response comes, I'm not getting involved in this tit for tat.

[theopor_COD]

Nuke BM

I really want to hear from our absent friend CLA.

Until a response comes, I'm not getting involved in this tit for tat.

this better me a joke. If that is an actual DayVig i'm gonna be so unbelievably peed off. Assuming i'm still alive, i'll be back to respond to more of this crap later. No, i dont think me trying to explain things is actually helping teach anyone anything, but at least i can say i did my best with this game. I cant save the town alone.

BM

Get defensive much

Mod Edit

Vote Count:

cheeky-little-asian- 3 (cicero, daedalus, theopor_COD)

orlowski- 2 (AlyG, ChocolateAttack)
AlyG- 1 (somestrangeflea)
Battle Mage- 1 (pwayne66)
cicero- 1 (Battle Mage)


Not voting (4): cheeky-little-asian, Gorgon, orlowski, shaka!!

7 to lynch.

Finding replacements for both C-L-A and Orlowski.

[theopor_COD]

Ya know I really hate replacements who have replaced scummy players who don't answer questions directed at them. I tend to want to give them some lee-way however in this case I'm not going to.

Confirm Vote

CLA

Prof. Guppy

If anyone wonders why then view CLA's posts then Guppy's posts. 146 well just is one gigantic amount of appealing to emotion. Guppy if your town which at this stage I seriously doubt, then please endeavour to play better. One it's not helping catch scum. Two it's making their life much easier.

I'll try and digest the BM/Cicero argument later. BM my nuke joke was obviously just a joke, I've been wanting to do it ever since Yos' Mutual Destruction game.

[theopor_COD]

Guppy - No lynching at this stage is dreadful. We learn an awful lot from voting patterns if/when we lynch someone, who defends who etc. If we all happily agree on a no-lynch today, scum will kill someone tonight and then we'll awake tomorrow with absolutely jackshit information from the previous day - and scum will likely be in an unassailable position. Hence we don't no lynch day one - period.

[theopor_COD]

Is everyone active? Flea and Alyg seem particularly quiet.

I'm still shaking my head at some of the Professor's posts. I will hope to sift through it all later.

[theopor_COD]

I dunno I think there's some kind of genuine stuff from Guppy. He's certainly not reacted too well to the pressure built up mainly from CLA and then his original entrance but I can sort of see a few town vibes there. Mind it could all be a ruse. Seperately I think BM is town aswell believe it or not. Now to have a look at everyone elses posts.

unvote

Whilst I do so.

[theopor_COD]

Christ BM calm down.

[theopor_COD]

Christ BM calm down.

Its not just this game lol. General crap-logic in all my games is majorly frustrating. And if i'm honest, you have been a perpetrator of this at times aswell.

Who me?

Only during the first few pages . . . I despise day ones whatever game I'm playing in. You should know I only jest.

[theopor_COD]

I'm not really feeling this SSF wagon. Especially when Chocolate Attack and Daedelus are missing even more. I do however agree with Shaka's sentiment on Emotional Players 100%!

[theopor_COD]

This thread moves faster than a runaway train, anyways an attempt to keep adrift of proceedings.

Now, if you had given me a horrible reason, I would have instantly switched my vote to you. For now, I'm going to assume you're on my side and leave my vote on theo.

On second thought, Unvote. I'm not feeling the flea-wagon either.

Let me get this straight. You want to switch to shaka but your happy with your vote on me, for what calling you out on the no-lynch and a dislike of my avatar, meh weird. You also state you ain't feeling the Flea wagon . . .

Please note that I'm not votiing him just because he is lurking. I am already used to lots of people drifting away from their mafia games. Again, he is actively lurking. And, more importantly, I thought his bandwagon push on AlyG was a scummy move.

I disagree I don't think Alyg has done much that reflects townieness, his original vote and FOS was odd more than anything, Flea's vote strook me as a shameless bandwagon vote which isn't scummy in my mind, call it defending him but I don't think it was scummy. Nowehere near the CLA lack of question answering and yep I've seen scum flake with pressure so Guppy isn't clear.

Guys i'm here no need for more prods, i'll post something later.

Yeh please do.

Then we have this pearler only five or so posts since Guppy pointed out he wasn't feeling the Flea wagon WTF.

Vote: somestrangeflea

I still think theo is Mafia, and I think he might be tring to cover for flea. Either that or they're masons, which I highly doubt.

1) What made you change your mind since your last post? 2) Why exactly do you think I'm mafia, at least state a case. And quit fishing.



SSF and Pwayne quite rightly have already pointed this out I see.

Cicero backs up Alyg without Aly posting another defence, Cicero at this stage do you think Alyg is likely to be protown?

Well, extremely weird as GP's play may be, he does have an interesting point. Why did Theo point to ChocolateAttack and daedalus, saying they were 'missing even more'?

Erm because they were . . Daedalus has posted what three times. Flea gave a reason for his lurking, i.e the speed of the game i don't think it's a tell against him.

So, cicero, are you suggesting that SSF might have been trying to deflect attention from Theo? Interesting ...

Alyg did that himself by not even voting me, yet suspecting me kinda like throwing his scumdar over two ppl hoping one shot hits. p.s Bandwagons are not scummy!! Truth they are good for information, they have been other votes on bandwagons already this game which haven't been analysed what about the Orlowksi 5th vote?
Cicero's consistent attack at me is bugging me . .

Do I need to respond to this crap again?

Okay, here's why I'm voting somestrangeflea

1. I still think theo is scum. That has not changed.
2. He seems to want to derail the bandwagon on flea, that suggests he an flea are in concort w/ each other.
3. Flea has been lurking on purpose. I've heard that is a big scumtell.
4. He's leaving his vote on AlyG, and I'm not sure why. I don't have a read on AlyG, but I'm guessing he's town.
5. Flea is currently voting on Cicero, who I think is town. That smells of scum to me.

I wasn't feeling the flea wagon at first, but then I began to question why theo was defending him. The conclusion I came to was that they must be scumbuddies. The reason I'm voting for flea and not theo is because he's more likely to get lynched right now. Call it what you will, I call it playing the field.

1) Why exactly am I scum?
2) I'm finding the bandwagon flawed, not bothered about derailing, not joining it.
3) Some ppl think it is, sometimes town are just as lazy
4) Alyg's doing a great job of apeparing town by not posting, guessing he appears town is frankly not solid it is.
5) Cicero is town and Flea voting him smells of scum lol. You couldn't make it up.

Cicero's 226 makes me feel much happier with him, so townie brownies there.


So after all that we've still got several players lurking/inactive they need to chime in. Guppy just confuses me, I don't think we should give him a free pass, Cicero how do you feel about Guppy painting you and Alyg as town? BM is quiet any thoughts? infact everyone get into it. My vote is staying in my pocket but I'd really like Guppy to explain his vote on me, why I'm scum, his shift from not feeling the Flea wagon to joining it and why Cicero and Alyg are town. There you Guppy get writing.

[theopor_COD]

Erm right okay.

Let's just hope you don't act like such a total ass in your new game.

For the record I still think CLA/Prof.Guppy/Replacement is likely scum. However it's time to have a re-read regards everyone else.

Gorgon in reply to your statement above, I think some people find lurking a big scum-tell, I personally don't, yes it's anti-town and ain't helping catch scum but it's not in my book a bigger scumtell than say someone following or lacking curiousity, even appealing to emotion like Guppy. I can get lazy as town or scum so I guess other players do. I'm not clearing SSF by any stretch of the imagination it's just that there's scummier players about, mind I'm finding it hard to look past Guppy at present.

p.s Alyg I'm still awaiting some input.

[theopor_COD]

Hi everyone. I'll read the thread and hopefully post later today.

Good luck, you cannot be held responsible for your predeccesors but IGMEOY.

[theopor_COD]

You cannot answer them unfortunately, which irritates the hell out of me.

[theopor_COD]

Cicero's recent posts are bugging the hell out me. So much so I'm going to have a close look at him so far.

Lynching a lurker is not "good town" play, it's much better to get them to talk - get replaced whatever, discussion is good right? I'm baffled why Cicero and Gorgon are giving Eroto a free pass. I'm interested to see Eroto's take on it to be honest.

[theopor_COD]

Still here . . pretty despondent at present.

[theopor_COD]

I'm here.

Not overly delighted with the replacements input as yet. You could at least comment on the opening eleven pages, doesn't seem a great deal of urgency = scum hunting.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Jalyn- 2 (cicero, Gorgon)
Kakeng- 2 (pwayne66, shaka!!)
White- 2 (AlyG, Chocolate Attack)

Not voting (6): Erotomachia, Jalyn, Kakeng, somestrangeflea, theopor_COD, White

7 to lynch

[theopor_COD]

That last post from Alyg was more pathetic than anything else these last few days -mainly because I've been looking for some content from him for days/weeks. I actually thought he'd been replaced! Seems not . .

vote AlyG

[theopor_COD]

I think PG really hurt this game by joining.

QFT.

p.s I don't think Eroto has done much to reassure me that PG is town yet either.

Mod I know it's a pain but any chance we could instigate some prods, and I'll probably get shot down, berated and called lynch-happy for this but how about a deadline of some kind. Deadlines encourage activity etc - say a two week one, otherwise I can't see much progression with the continued lurk going on.

[theopor_COD]

Out of interest Gorgon, what game was that?

[theopor_COD]

It's pointless at this stage. We need to lynch the scummiest - hopefully hit mafia and then go back and analyse.

[theopor_COD]

This is very quick.

Orlowski Honary Hitchiker White

- First two did very little, Orlowski threw a fifth vote on AlyG. White's prompting discussion other than that neutral

shaka!!

- Hasn't done much to alarm me without an isolate read. Gone after BM.

somestrangeflea

- Got some heat for active lurking. Don't think he's particularly helpful.

cheeky-little-asian Prof. Guppy Erotomachia

- CLA evasive and quit. Guppy idiotic, emotion appealed, scummy and quit. Eroto - nothing. Scummy.

AlyG

- Lurked and lurked. Scummy

ChocolateAttack

- Erm computer's broke. Again very little to draw on.

Borchmore Battle Mage Kakeng

- BM I felt was town only due to his highly strung response to my NUKE post. I probably need to review it though

Gorgon

- This guy worries me in several games, I think he's a good player, but is he posting loads to confuse us all, hmm maybe.

cicero

- Active, don't agree with a lot of his thoughts, but he is active and seems to be scum hunting

pwayne66

- Not sure. Need to review in detail

daedalus Jalyn

- Nothing of note

That's from memory.

[theopor_COD]

Guys i'm not very interested in the game and i aren't really following it. I'm in a lot more games and i can't really keep up. I don't wish to be replaced

YET

but i might as well claim.

If your not interested and can't keep up, I'd rather you were replaced. If you want to continue then I think if your pro-town you need to apply yourself a little more and do some scum hunting. Who do you suspect?

As for the claim I'm neutral about it. I could see one being used but then again as it's been pointed it can hardly be counter claimed so is an awfully safe claim for scum.

Chocolate Attack's recent postings are poor aswell, Jalyn/Eroto thoughts?

[theopor_COD]

unvote, vote Erotomachia

Reasons.

1 - Chocolate Attack
2 - Guppy
3 - Eroto's gone on a lurk
4 - I kind of belief AlyG's claim despite his complete lack of effort

[theopor_COD]

Ah shit I meant Cheeky-Little-Asian.

[theopor_COD]

Christ seems we've had a spurt, I'll try and catch up at some stage. Bit hectic this week mind.

[theopor_COD]

I don't know which is more suspicious, White requesting a deadline or Theo agreeing with it.

By the time either I find a replacement for Kakeng or Kakeng posts, I'll set a retractable deadline on this game

You ought to go back and see who raised that first. Plus at the time next to no-one had posted.

[theopor_COD]

See post 317.

[theopor_COD]

So... I guess it's time for me to defend myself, but for what, lurking? I won't be able to make a defense unless I know the case against me. From what I read, I'm being lynched for lurking and BM aggressive play.

3 votes = being lynched. Defensive much?

Promise I'll re-read tomorrow as I'm miles adrift.

[theopor_COD]

can I ask for an replacement? I'm Distracting the town.

Then again I'm not being much help at present. A re-read will be coming . . .

[theopor_COD]

Theo, bud, you are overextended. You're in over 10 games. I'll make a deal with you, if you want to get replaced in any games 20 pages or less, i'll replace for you. Max 3 games. Ok?

I don't need to be replaced in any games I just need to set aside some time to analyse everything and unfortunately that doesn't take ten minutes. This game is going into notepad asap so hopefully expect something later. My problem with a lot of current games are that day one's just seem to drag on and on, we continue to hash over old shit and frankly it does my head in.

[theopor_COD]

Do you know, I've just read from Pages 14 - 24 and written down absolutely jack all, well the odd doodle maybe. And you know your probably all right I'm over-extended however I will not be asking for replacement. I just need to give this game some more priority.

Aside from Jester first impressions good, I think I need to respond to something from him. Skitzer unimpressive. Skruffs pretty unimpressive.

The whole thread gives me a feeling of complete uselessness, now who is to blame?

unvote

Players in isolation coming soon . . .

[theopor_COD]

You know I've just been thinking about AlyG's claim again.

1. It's a very easy claim for scum to make . . backups in minis are few and far between, infact I don't think I've ever seen one. In bigger games in New York perhaps but in a 12 player game meh doubt it. I'd challenge someone to go find one in a previous game in Italy or Coney Island.

2. It's ambigious normally if your a backup your a deputy or a nurse. Not a backup for any pro-town power role as AlyG states in 371. For instance say a Vig cops its first (not saying we have one) then does AlyG become another vig, either way that's damn unfair on the scum in this sort of setup. Say they kill a cop boo wiz in a twelve player we have another, crazy.

3. Is there a 3. Hmm I just don't believe it . . . I think AlyG/Skitzer is scum. I've seen a distinct lack of scum hunting from both during the game aswell.

Vote Skitzer

[theopor_COD]

Infact having read Skitzer's posts my vote is pretty much lock-on for today.

[theopor_COD]

White - that's pretty much irrelevant, without reading any of Skitzer's other games. I just think the claim is one full of scum.

[theopor_COD]

Theo, AlyG is going to be an early mafia kill is he's not scum. Especially after the first power role dies. It's like lynching a suspicious claimed doctor - let the scum take them out for you.

Disagree. Skitzer doesn't look a particularly good player. He's not a threat to them yet if he's town I see no point in the mafia killing him, the only thing Alyg's done by claiming if he is town, is shorten the suspects for the mafia to find a cop/doc whatever.

Seperately I don't like the idea of a ballot, I play on my own. I vote for who I think's scummiest. The scum are a team they can dictate those sort of things and direct a mislynch. Not going to happen.

[theopor_COD]

Has Kakeng claimed?

I think he's probably the lynch whatever but I don't like the way this wagon has appeared, based on what Kakeng's lurking and BM's early play. What would be good is if BM could replace Kakeng then we can see some fireworks because frankly I'm not convinced.

[theopor_COD]

I'm not frustrated by it . . . I just don't think either player has been particularly pro-town and it's not a difficult claim for scum to dream up.

I really need to review the BM argument, I will say however from when he was in the game he was giving me more town vibes than not. Mind I think I'm normally in the camp of BM as town, I will say he's a better player as scum - his reaction to my jokey daykill alone gave me a sufficent townish vibe. I would love him to replace back in if at all possible because Kakeng obviously isn't going to put much of a defence up.

[theopor_COD]

Reason 2, Day 1 bandwagons are bad. Pure and simple.

Care to explain why?

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Kakeng- 3 (shaka!!, somestrangeflea, White)

skitzer- 2 (ChocolateAttack, theopor_COD)
somestrangeflea- 2 (cicero, Jester)
shaka!!-1 (Skitzer)


Not voting (4): Gorgon, Kakeng, pwayne66, Skruffs

7 to lynch

14 days till deadline

[theopor_COD]

A bandwagon is not a lynch though is it?

What do you think of every bandwagon in this game? The AlyG one, The Guppy one, The second AlyG one, The Kakeng one? Basically do you think they are all bad?

[theopor_COD]

Ok so bandwagons are not bad. Comprende.

Unvote

I need to mull over a few things, Skitzer's claim still feels very off but I had a similar disbelief with a newb's claim in another game and was wrong. So bleh I dunno - he still strikes me as scummy. Any news on the Kakeng replacement situation?

[theopor_COD]

Skitzer's AlyG who claimed Backup.

[theopor_COD]

I guess since AlyG claimed(something I did notice) I should make no remark, but if I feel seriously i trouble I will claim.

Er this makes no sense to me. What exactly do you mean?

[theopor_COD]

Yeh like you said that before that's why I was confused. Bleh I ought to go back and review some things.

Someone elsewhere said long days = bad for the town. I'm starting to agree. Short days = bad. Long Days = bad. Why can't we have a middlish day for once. There's just too much crap to read.

[theopor_COD]

Or more like the wagons form on decent candidates who flake and dissapear.

I agree with you however regarding Skruffs and the fact he replaced Guppy doesn't mean he gets a free pass, at the time Guppy was by a long shot the scummiest player around. Idiotic newbs are just as likely to be scum as Idiotic newbs turning up town.

[theopor_COD]

Ergh still here . . . still pretty disillusioned with life here.

Did I tell everyone how much days this long hurt the town and irritate the hell out of me? No. Well I shan't bore you with it all.

vote skitzer

Because I read a thread in mafia discussion discussing backups, I think it's unlikely there's one in the game, simple really.

[theopor_COD]

I still think Skitzer's the play.

I am a Backup. When any power role dies, I may PM to replace them, but I don't have to. I believe that there is more than one. I think pwayne is another, due to his uneasiness about voting for one.

You think it's likely we have two backups huh? Usually town has 2/3 power roles - imagine being scum spotting the doctor only to find out there's another one or the cop for instance. You are in my opinion likely scum, however it seems too many of us are worried about lynching you.

[theopor_COD]

Hmm at least we have a dead scum. I'm going to review Gorgon.

[theopor_COD]

As promised a review of Gorgon

Gorgon

Early OMGUS vote of Orlowski, who is now White.

Hmm . .

Fair enough. I'm keeping my vote on you for now though, although I am also concerned about Cicero's absence. Hopefully he'll show up or be replaced soon; otherwise, I will definitely join you.

Concern that his scummate hasn't appeared yet. Doesn't find me third vote on AlyG scummy.

Moves vote on to Cheeky-L-A seems serious. Doesn't really back it up much mind, this quote may be pretty interesting considering at the time the only people voting Alyg were daedalus (Jester-dead cop) and somestrangeflea.

Anyway, I am satisfied with cheeky-little-asian's explanations. Right now I am much more concerned about the AlyG bandwagon now. I think that if AlyG is town, it's quite likely that at least one scum got on his bandwagon out of opportunism.

Pushes at Borchmore (HH) and SSF in next post more for lurking.

I find this more buddying up to town, than buddying up to scum, would scum be that obvious?

I must say that I find cicero's defense very eloquent. I certainly do like his style, regardless of what his role in this game turns out to be. He makes a lot of good points too.

Doesn't go overboard with daedalus slinging c-l-a to lynch-1.

Goes after absentees again in post 11, namely AlyG, Orlowski and SSF - two of whom are dead townies.
Babbles on a lot to Guppy, think's Guppy is town but not very helpful town. I could see scum offering this as advice mind to a newb idiotic partner . .

And if you can't handle this game, I suggest you get yourself re-replaced. I'm not too keen on playing with someone who gives up this easily.

And please withdraw your self-vote. It's silly and detrimental to the game. It's not just about you. If someone comes in and hammers now, and you turn out town, it screws the town over in a seriously bad way. Please stop and think about that.

I tend to think it's more he probably knows Guppy is town hence plus points for Skruffs.

Mind I just can't keep getting the coaching vibe out of my head

(Man, if you are scum, I'm going to be kicking myself for coaching you like this. I just have a soft spot for newbies, being one myself )

Pushes against SSF again, yet again I see this as a good thing for Flea

SSF managed to sneak in while cicero was writing, but what he (SSF) has to say in no way invalidates his (cicero's) points. I've poked SSF two times now for being inactive in the game, and he shows little signs of improvement.

SSF, the rest of us find it easy to keep up. Give us something. I hope to hear from you soon about anything that has at least a little bearing on this game. If you're not going to be active in this game, you may as well get yourself replaced. It's as simple as that.

Vote: somestrangeflea, for additional lurker-busting pressure.

This little snippet is interesting aswell

So, cicero, are you suggesting that SSF might have been trying to deflect attention from Theo? Interesting ...

Yet again I feel happier about Flea, puzzled more with the way Gorgon deals with Guppy. It strikes me as emotionally getting pissed off, I could see scum really attacking town Guppy here, but he seems apologetic towards him

I'm therefore letting SSF off the hook, especially as there doesn't seem to be anything else to go on.

PG is, sad to say, digging himself into a deep dark hole yet again. There's not much more I can say about that, as others have already picked his words to pieces.

More links to Cicero, asks BM opinions on him.

Ha I guess he wants this partner to help. wink, wink

Welcome to the game, Erotomachia. Stick around, ok?

Note Cicero backs off Eroto/Guppy/Skruffs - Gorgon agrees

Yet again (shock!) I agree with cicero. I don't think Erotomachia is the priority today. He starts off pretty well, and his predecessors were just a little too easy targets, IMO. We should definitely not overlook other possibilites. If Erotomachia ends up being revealed as town, I will be suspicious of the people who went after CLA and (especially) PG the hardest.

He's setting up lynches here aswell. Interesting to note the three ganging up on Flea again.

I like the fact that Erotomachia agrees with cicero and I in that SSF's active lurking was suspicious. Mind you, it could just be buddying up, seeing that cicero and I were the ones who defended PG, his predecessor.

This again seems weird, almost too joking between partners

Regarding cicero in general, I'm agreeing with him a lot (as you've no doubt noticed), and quite honestly find him mostly protown at the moment. I will be very annoyed should he turn out to be scum!

Top suspect now daedalus dead town cop. Votes him.

Agrees with Shaka's push against BM in 31. Not much until White replaces in.

Posts a scumdar.

Orlowski Honary Hitchiker White

Orlowski didn't post much. Not much to go on. HH posted nothing at all! White has looked good so far; he certainly seems more interested in this game than most people have been these past days. *Cough* Thinking town.

shaka!!

Aggressive and opinionated. Has focused a lot on BM, as has been pointed out. Still waiting for his opinions on someone else. Liked his poking of Kakeng though. Thinking town.

somestrangeflea

Haven't liked his lurking in this game. He's certainly not been the most helpful player here, but he has looked confident. Thinking possible scum though.

theopor_COD

He's hard to read. I liked his post 17 a lot, where he gunned for lots of players at once in a no-nonsense fashion. Thinking town.

cheeky-little-asian Prof. Guppy Erotomachia

Ugh. CLA was weird. PG was weirder. Eroto hasn't posted for a while ... so thinking possible scum now. This player slot certainly has a very annoying tendency to bail.

AlyG

The scum candidate de jour, and rightly so. He's lurked throughout the entire game and has been very unhelpful. Thinking scum.

ChocolateAttack

Another inactive. I'll reserve judgement until he starts posting more or gets replaced.

Borchmore Battle Mage Kakeng

Nothing of note from Borchmore. BM started out very aggressively against cicero, but that is his style. He does tend to have very solid convictions and sticks to his guns, but it can be faked as scum, of course. Don't like Kakeng much so far. Thinking possible scum.

cicero

A very verbal and opinionated newbie; likes to discuss the game of Mafia in a larger sense, trying to see the big picture. I like his style, and I think he's a little too confident and eager to be scum. Reminds me of town-Guardian in his early days.

pwayne66

Aggressive and toungue-in-cheek. Looks confident. Thinking town.

daedalus Jalyn

Not much from daedalus. Didn't like his putting CLA at L-1 though. Still waiting for Jalyn to post something useful. Neutral on her ATM.

Main suspicions - SSF again, BM/Kakeng, AlyG - neutral now on Jalyn who replaced daedalus.

Believes the claim pretty much. Guess you would if you knew he wasn't scum. Keeps vote on Jalyn

His 39th post is worth digesting. Defends SSF against Cicero, first time for everything I guess. Wants to wait on Kakeng before jumping against him, slight defence of BM/Kak. Comments that 4 still alive townies are town, I'd bet my bottom dollar he's wrong

If it helps, I can say that I believe from these past few pages pretty strongly that cicero, White, and shaka!! are town ... and as I've indicated, ssf has been looking more townish than before over these pages.

Interesting that Gorgon has really failed to talk about a few ppl me included, Pwayne, Choc Attack and Skruffs spring to mind - votes Kakeng.

Chummyness = scummy partners, meh too obvious but I dunno

With regards to the supposed chumminess between me and pwayne, he just hasn't said anything that I disagree with or find suspicious. The same goes, e.g., for cicero ... I'm certainly not going to attack people whom I agree with just for the sake of some principle that I should find everyone suspicious, or whatever. I think pwayne and cicero are both quite likely to be town, and I make no apologies about this.

Still after a Flea/Kakeng lynch - both good points for HH/Flea

Right now, I could go for either a Kakeng or ssf lynch

Explains reasons for voting Kak in 45, then unvotes. Still babbling on about Guppy and his coaching/defence. Still can't work out whether it's scum coaching newb scum or scum buddying up to clueless newb town

In PG's case, lynching him on page 7 would have been pretty damn uncool, had he turned out town. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it. I also truly believe that PG's 'unique' playstyle is no good proof that he was scum in this game. That's not giving newbies a free pass; it's simply taking the guy's character and previous record into account. Accusing people who don't jump on PG and automatically assume he must be scum because he doesn't conform to the Mafia norms of being "scum trying to look wise and reputable" is unfair, IMO ... and not just because I'm being included in this category, for having defended PG and tried to get him to play better.

Doesn't want a skitzer lynch, doesn't want a Kak lynch. Again makes me feel better about HH. Doesn't take much convincing and hops on the Skitzer wagon, wish I'd freaking read all this a week ago.


And that folks is that - final thoughts, not much really. I think from all that I find SSF and HH townish, mind I didn't really see much case against BM before hand. There's the ongoing issue regards Guppy, I'm not overly convinced, he's pretty pally with Cicero and Pwayne and frankly doesn't go out of his way to attack anyone bar the absent newbs and SSF. Therefore I think I'll have to go and view everyone although I don't want a Flea or HH lynch today. More later.

[theopor_COD]

Guys I have a few issues accessing the site, hence posting will be sporadic. Sorry.

[theopor_COD]

Ok guys just letting you know, I'm having real problems accessing the site and thus finding the time to play. I'm not asking for replacement in my longer drawn out games but don't expect a high frequency of posts because I just haven't the time I had a week or so ago.