Open 610: Kill all Townies (Mafia Win)

[pisskop]

ill let dave answer it.

BTW, answer what?

Why aren't you voting the hydra dave if you claim to have a possible scum tell on them?

That thing you havent yet answered

[pisskop]

@Vedith: He's come in all guns blazing, no doubt about it. I'm not making anything of that specifically though. What's your view on it? As you brought it up I assume there is a point you wished to make regarding it?

I don't know who the Kari half of the hydra is, but Fire is agonistic as scum. Poking him will yield results.

[pisskop]

too late to prodge, yea?

[pisskop]

actually I guess i'll elaborate a bit on that
Alma's ISO is basically:

"Hi Dave, here's a question"
"Hi Dave, you didn't answer that question"
"Hi Dave, you

still

didn't answer that question"
"VOTE: Dave"

it strikes me as coasting

eww. Its hard to bleive there still people who dont know me or are willing to take initiative and metadive.

[pisskop]

And actually, he's completely ignored my whole thing with sinsun


Im visiting winifred rn. bbmonday

[pisskop]

back. Sinsun avatar is amazing.

[pisskop]

5 bucks i get shot n1 cus im ob town by my meta right now

Things like this make it less likely you die.
Either way its not about theory. he isnt discussing theory, he's lauding a statisitic that contradicts him. It is statistically worse if we NL, because it forfiets town's power and takes the control we did have out of our hands. Scum, otoh, are able to flip for associations we cant have.
Dont encourage it.

Just ISO me, every one of my posts mentiong sinsun.

Ive noticed. Its one hell of an opening tunnel. Itll make for a good associative tell later, maybe.

-I townread Vedith for 155.

Your post was an overreaction on an absurd scale

This. How awful 217 and 227 are. And 255.

I don't know who you are but thanks for the warm welcome.

Mewbie 1626 "oh man it was awesome how you got PP".

[pisskop]

Right. This.

Okay, the Silver Bard iso:

-I think people were incredulous over his 'scum must be on sinsun' comment. And yea, it sucks eggs. But not alignment indicative. Just obvious.
-Trying to call the Vettrock-SK thing a trap or joke is dumb. For many reasons. Its a bad joke if it was one, there's no sk and when I knew that and when I pay more attention than you its probably a bad sign.
-Post 293 is scumhunting, and consistent with his prior actions. 306 I know that with multiball there's no guarenttes, but this post and 306

more likely to come from town than scum. Could just be a foreward scum; but we'll see.
-His later posts under pressure have become bulkier. His reads are omgusy, later on his reads will be anchorable to others. He talks about how he wants non-content posters to be vigged. Good theory, not really something we need to touch upon today. Lets let have half the town exposed on D1. It suffices to say only 1 person a day can be lynched.

[br]

. . . and since only 1 person a day can eat the rope, Id lynch it, but I have no special affinity towards doing so. If you get him to L-1 Im down.

[pisskop]

Pisskop would replace Alma Mater, as an account sub.

First post updated.

[pisskop]

Lol that scum want to butter you up specifically.

[pisskop]

you know, as opposed to just kill you or mislynch you.

[pisskop]

Can we do like I asked before and keep our PRs out of the light? They know what to do, you dont need to remind them. We already have a cop who claimed because ???

[pisskop]

Can we do like I asked before and keep our PRs out of the light? They know what to do, you dont need to remind them. We already have a cop who claimed because ???

Pisskop please........ stay in hydra

you should read more

[pisskop]

yeah, not voting Sinsun.

Lynch preference is FireKari > Alma Mater > The Silver Bard > Vedith

I'll prob fully explain why is FK is just scum late tonight/2moro

make sure you include a response to my iso of tsb

[pisskop]

I'd lynch him

y u do this?

[pisskop]

I mean why would you lynch ika.

[pisskop]

Show me why he is >= your Lala read.

[pisskop]

And then tell me your thought on Max.

[pisskop]

What do you mean? Do you have examples?

pedit: like hell they are. They only need to be thought out.

[pisskop]

ika lynch is underrated. ika lurks more as scum, but enigmatically doesn't warrent a PL just because he lurks.

[pisskop]

*over*

[pisskop]

Thats actually not a bad case. May sheep.

[pisskop]

What is the deal with 4/people in a hydra? Kari is a hydra, and that hydra is hydraed? Or is it like a family account?

[pisskop]

I think its unfair to ask 4 people in one account to be consistent or solve the game, but yea one of them should be able to produce.

[pisskop]

Sometimes I talk to myself, and then I respond to my own dialogue. Then I reason out a course of action or arrive at a conclusion based on this internal dialogue. Every day is a debate in my brain. I don't have name for this second voice, for why would I name myself? Rarely, a third opinion arrises, and then things get real interesting.

[pisskop]

I guess if I had to pick a name for my dissenting voice to myself it would be 'Petee'. Or Pisskop. Or just 'conciousness', because the truth is Im kind of a dick at heart, and this voice is often the voice for temperence.

[pisskop]

Ill actually read what you said after I get done compiling this leveled list.

[pisskop]

I read it, and I had thoughts. placing the game aside, I don't approve of dissociating onself from the real world in such a fashion as to create a distinct personality. But more power to you all.

Also, never once have we ever been scum. Not saying we couldn't roll scum, maybe one day

No. We dont invoke gambler's fallacy here. thats scummy.

What are your opinions of the gamestate?

[pisskop]

Orthos, you are currenyly leading wagon and the case on you is pretty good for D1.

vote: firekari

There isnt going to be a tomorrow for you if you dont produce

[pisskop]

vote: dongemp

[pisskop]

w

aaaa

y more faith in ika than whatever it is youre doing

[pisskop]

thats both our lynches.

this is good. lets let ika iron himself out before we lynch dong

[pisskop]

any objections? i have intent

[pisskop]

@ sinsun mostly :b

vote: lala

[pisskop]

Dong's claim did look more like a scumclaim than a CC. ika didnt even claim seer.


We wait. inb4 ika was just being aggressive. if he does claim seer we lynch Dong and then ika if Dong flips town.

[pisskop]

youre a silly doggie.

[pisskop]

thats not what fence sitting means.

[pisskop]

You should be happy. If ika claims seer and you are really the seer, you caught a scum. Town trading 1 for 1 with scum is a winning town.

[pisskop]

vote: Dong

fuck off dong.

[pisskop]

I think ika is the seer as of now. If he isnt we'll come to that, but Im also scumreading dong whereas notsomuch ika. ika's 30 posts are adequate from my experience with him.

30/600 /=/ 30/2000

[pisskop]

Did you crumb it?

[pisskop]

It means ika needs to vote you because we already lynched Lal.

And you may as well vote yourself too.

[pisskop]

Well you two are confirmed named townies atp.

I suspect Performer still.

My townlist also includes Vedith so far. Sinsun can make his way there.

[pisskop]

What pimp-a-limpin.

[pisskop]

Vedith is meta based on ~reasons~

Performer is also reasons, based on his play in my modded game.

[pisskop]

Most of my town list is conftown now, and my scum list has emptied out.

[pisskop]

^^^

[pisskop]

Are you caught up?

[pisskop]

So you know that Dong and ika claimed seer? And that dong's is a CC to ika's?

[pisskop]

But if you were actually caught up you'd know this. You were skimming.

[pisskop]

you realize that faking a role in an open is suicide?
and to do so is usually an act od desperation or wanting your target dead soo bad youd 1for1 them
amd that requires knowing they had this role you hadnt crumbed or claimd?

if ika preemptively fakeclaimed to get you killed Id nominate him for a scummy. The Enigma.

[pisskop]

The good news is that its effectively a multiball mountainous now.

[pisskop]

We'll have 7 townies v 2 SKs

[pisskop]

Ill never gert why people assume scum would out their reads in multiball.

[pisskop]

its asking scum to kill to set people up with kills

[pisskop]

I am

[pisskop]

:c

[pisskop]

[pisskop]

vote: performer

[pisskop]

I dont thnk I understand. It looks to me like both scum went after ika instead of wgeurts.

[pisskop]

So what do you think performer is?

[pisskop]

Well no. Since he concludes that performer is most likely Wolfie, all his specualtion about making wolfie lists is just doubtcasting.

[pisskop]

wg was confirmed town?

You guys really powerlynched TTH. Not that I wouldnt have.

[pisskop]

I have some small experience with both of you.

Ric is awfully quiet for being town, if my Senator alt counts as experience.
Vedith, we cant really talk about my experience with you, suffice to say I dont know what confscum you looks like yet.

[pisskop]

Im going to scan over people's meta and vote if all we're gonna do is stagnant and wave our hands around.

[pisskop]

I did VCA.

I found D1 to be the bet day for it, because after that we had the cop guilties and then we didnt really have enough scum left on either team to get a good pattern going.

In D1 I found 1.3 and 1.5 to stand out.

Spoiler: 1.3, 1.5

Official Vote Count 1.3

Sinsun1

(4):

wgeurts

,

Firekari

, Ricastle,

Lalendra

The Silver Bard

(3):

Sinsun1

,

Maxous

,

shaddowez

wgeurts

(2):

The Silver Bard

,

performer

Vedith

(1):

smudger

ika

(1): Vedith

davesaz

(1): Alma Mater

Alma Mater

(1):

ika

Ricastle

(1):

davesaz

performer

(1):

Dongempire

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Official Vote Count 1.5

smudger

(3):

Firekari

,

Dongempire

, Vedith

Sinsun1

(3):

wgeurts

, Ricastle,

Lalendra

wgeurts

(2):

The Silver Bard

,

performer

Alma Mater

(2):

ika

,

Maxous

Vedith

(1):

smudger

The Silver Bard

(1):

Sinsun1

davesaz

(1): Alma Mater

Ricastle

(1):

davesaz

performer

(1):

shaddowez

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

It shows Ricastle wedged in between firekari and lal on Sinsun. Would all three mafias jump onto a wagon like this?

Firekari rides Smduger until 1.8, where he is back on Sinsun. He parks there until the day ends, barring a brief selfvote.
In 1.10 Vedith returns to sinsun from smudger, and fire is back on sinsun in 1.11.


The issue I really have with vedith is that Ric or I would have to be bussing our mafia partners, but Vedith was never interested in voting mafia.
He did vote for Lal who we had a guilty on.

Spoiler: 2.2

Official Vote Count 2.2

Lalendra

(6):

wgeurts

,

Sinsun1

, Ricastle,

The Silver Bard

, Vedith, pisskop

Lynch!

ika

(1):

Dongempire

Dongempire

(1):

ika

Not Voting

(3):

TellTaleHeart

,

performer

,

Lalendra

Lalendra

, Mafia Doctor

has been lynched Day 2.

And has been a late addition to all wagons.

I suspect that with the exception of obvious townkills, the scum were trying to crosskill. I also believe that scum would be more likely to hide their suspicion of their night targets in multiball, so they can get away with it easier. He has few if any mentions of TSB.



Aside from VCA/NKA, wgeurts did suspect Vedith, and the quickhammer on TTH was pretty bad.


A case for ricastle would have to include why he bussed, and why he his whole team hopped on sinsun.

[pisskop]

Im fairly confident that vedith is scum.

vote: vedith

[pisskop]

Pisskop was reckless with the voting so easily.

No. You were hoping to keep this a 1v1v1. I have a long and storied past with voting first in lylo.

It lost me cheetory's game, won me NS's game, and lost me ika's.

[pisskop]

coin flip.

Because you want to win?

[pisskop]

1)

The vote on FireKari was late (considering that he used the argument of me voting late is pot kettle). At the stage of voting FireKari was more or less the lynch here, it would make sense for scum to jump onto this.

2

The vote on Lalendra was the hammer, no chance of getting out of the lynch.

3)

Now, here's what I find interesting... 661 - I am town because of meta reasons, 824 - Then says he doesn't know what scum me is like, meaning that he can't meta me?

4)

Apart from that, he hasn't done much apart from buddy town and distance from scum except when he was leading wagons that were not scum.

I just couldn't pass this up.

1)

My vote was otherwise on Dave or Lal that day. Dave was acting differently than usual and fire was scum. You're trying to argue my points against you back at me, but I voted for firekari; if he was the lynch of the day why were you not on him?

2)

What's your point here? My vote was on her D1, its not like suddenly suspicion.

3)

Again, waht is the point here? Putting aside the fact that I don't have to have actually played with you as scum to be able to metadive you, what does this imply?

4)

Could you show us some of my buddying? Buddying is such a vague term.

I dont find much in your arguement of merit at all.

[pisskop]

Pisskop was reckless with the voting so easily.

No. You were hoping to keep this a 1v1v1. I have a long and storied past with voting first in lylo.

It lost me cheetory's game, won me NS's game, and lost me ika's.

NY 181 We won because of my lylo vote.

Mini 1652 Kind of lost this one.

Micro 466 This game . . .

[pisskop]

will you stop trying to shit onplayers? theres no reason for it. If ric wasg going to flip a coin he wouldnt be talking with us

[pisskop]

NY 181 We won because of my lylo vote.

Mini 1652 Kind of lost this one.

Micro 466 This game . . .

Your endgame play in those games seems at a glance to be less...structured than it is here, ftr (as that's all I read from each of them)

dont tell anyone, but my play in any game is largely depndent on how I feel at the time

[pisskop]

Vedith, do you have a response to my points against your case?

want to win?

No, voting before someone even puts a case forward is a scum minded move. And you have played enough to know this.

Umm no, its really not. did you read those games? Feel free to, and maybe even a few scum ones too.

Wanting to win is the exact reason he shouldnt be flipping a coin.

[pisskop]

@vedith
why arent you addressing my csse on you or my response to yours?

@ric

only halfso. Im getting irritated because whatever youre doing with vedi isnt drawing helpful conversation.
IRL I have a mild cold but started running again, so neutralish.

[pisskop]

No. you dodged my response to your case and then dismissed my own against you.

[pisskop]

if were gonna do this back and forth bit youre going to have to wait until I get online with a keyboard.

my case on you is, summized:

-VCA damns you. you never voted for scum and yourbehavior fits a pattern consistent witjh daychat scum.
-Mafia confirmed kills make sense coming from you when NKA is run. wgeurts suspected you, although as a conftown that weakens a bit. Also note your 'sarcasm' earlier.
-Badgering and crapposting are avoidance tactics.
-you keep dodging my response to your case. you responded to my original case against you by quoting my response to your case? thats skivvy.

[pisskop]

No. you dodged my response to your case and then dismissed my own against you.

Yeah, that's exactly what happen.

why the hell is 845 quoting my response to your case by responding to my original case?

[pisskop]

I cant. yourcase on me is a mixture of denial and reflecting my points back at me. youre scum, Im done indulging riccastle

[pisskop]

get bent scumbag. youre going to keep defacing my posts with that snark.

Ric, if you have questions you should ask and finish the game.

[pisskop]

i dont do wallposts or in depth back and forth well.

[pisskop]

I didnt pay enough attention to your posts, but you kept snarking and dancing around a confirmed scum.

Treating you like confscum won me the game.

[pisskop]

he wanted an honest heartfelt moment with you. if he had it I would have lost

[pisskop]

each his own. gg

[pisskop]

Do I count this as a comeback win or just good play throughout?

[pisskop]

was there a dead pt?

Also thanks, fire.

[pisskop]

My scum game is ironically townier than my town game.

[pisskop]

Why would we lynch yougurts?

[pisskop]

but . . .

confrimed

. That part kind of procludes a lynch. Unlike closed or themed setups, in open setups they are actually 100% confirmed.