Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

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Good to hear Titus

VOTE: Firebringer

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Oh gawd not errantparabola. Please don't let him live to mylo/lylo. pleaseeee

You now are second on my lynch list.

My most recent completed game he fooled everyone and was scum. Don't let him f-ing live.

Ew policy

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VOTE: dwlee

His vote on Mr B makes me feel like his push on errant wasn't a joke, and he's grasping to "scumhunt"

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"Correctly townreading me"
Ugh.

Ugh yes. But scummy?

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Dwelee is indeed obvtown.

So tell me what I missed

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Ranger scum doesn't take strong positions.

Wasnt that a huge tell we missed in blitz one that scum was hard defending each other?

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Considering i have explicitly stated i dont scumread fire, i dont see how you are comfortable with saying that i am weak-scumreading fire.

I will check for context later. It's probably a backtracking accusation

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I know that people sometimes have weak reasons to have some ill-informed opinion about someone during this stage, but it seems like he is just throwing around reads for the sake of appearing town. He has not even explained

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of these reads, as far as I can see.

I am compelled to leave my non-conformist identity behind and join the Ranger wagon.

This post is awkward as shit. You suddenly start talking in very distant language. Some people. They. Pings hard.

This is how you scumread people? You must be kidding, right? Or are you intentionally trying to make me look suspicious, setting me up?

If you want to know, I usually talk in a distant language. I do not see how I "changed" that. In addition, I do not see how that post is overly "distant" as to be noteworthy in any way.

Why are you so defensive about Ranger anyway? Are you deflecting?

I don't like this reaction

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Anyway,

VOTE: Errantparabola

For being sneaky and trying to push a lynch on me (even implicitly inviting Titus to do so), then asking me why I am not immediately responding to him when I have my hands full on Titus, as if he did not know.

What

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Ok, I will meet you half way. I take Dwelee as innocent. You take AI as innocent.

Your move.

This compromise is cute but just houses lack of explanation of reads

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Errant gets schooled: the post

This is an interesting p post to make after 163

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What do people think about TheDominator (ISO)? While I have my doubts about Phantom, I sort of get why he would vote TheDominator. TheDominator's posting behavior is just... odd. Even weirder than Dwlee's posting behavior.

I don't get the scum reads on dom

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B's question dodge in 409 is ew.

Squirly not catching on to Titus's claim comes off as playing dumb

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I may or may not have skimmed the Titus v Squirelly. My understanding of it was a misunderstanding on titus' part. What misunderstanding I am not entirely sure. Whatever. Titus is dumbtelling right? What does that mean again? I'll go look on the wiki.


VOTE: texcat

I don't remeber them commiting to anything nor having any gamesolvey posts.

What is the case on wanderer?

Nobody is dumb telling

I don't like how uncommitted this post is to what just happened

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Anyway.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

For lurking.

Might change my vote to Wanderer later, but I do not feel like joining another wagon too soon, given that it ended up being a mislynch last time. I don't trust her, though.

D1 is almost always a mislynch

What's the problem here?

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Considering this game is multiball (I missed where that came from but it's being stated and unchallenged so I'm going with it) Titus's play right out of the gate makes sense. I missed the crumb as well so I'm not huge on saying Titus fakeclaimed rn.

VOTE: Yakko

The discussion between the two was right to the point. It wasn't ate Laden and pedantic like most 1v1 is. Waffling on it comes off as scum fearing a potential for two conftown and not knowing what to do with it.

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I admittedly never fully caught up to d1 so I probably missed whatever is close to clearing Mr B.

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Flubber, why not Wanderer?

Why not Yakko?

What's the case on wanderer?

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Yakko might very well be scum, but he is harder to read, so I would not prioritize him over Wanderer.

You wouldn't prioritize the harder to read that would probably take. more time to lynch?

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Expressing "surprise" at NKs is often a scumtell, especially when it is completely without substance. Ending your sentence with "hmm" makes it seem like you are deeply thinking about it, but in the end you say nothing worthwhile. Phantom was right to suspect you.

So

TheDominator

becomes red.

There's something off about making a huge case on someone and then scumreading someone else in the same breath over something like this. But that would probably need flips to really dig here

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Oh god flubber pls no.

More importantly who are you town reading?

I was commenting on the fact that he might be scum.

More votes pls

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Also town reads are easier to fake than scum reads so that's an interesting question you have there

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Yakko
Wanderer
Dwlee

For now everyone else can be town by poe

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Considering this game is multiball (I missed where that came from but it's being stated and unchallenged so I'm going with it) Titus's play right out of the gate makes sense. I missed the crumb as well so I'm not huge on saying Titus fakeclaimed rn.

VOTE: Yakko

The discussion between the two was right to the point. It wasn't ate Laden and pedantic like most 1v1 is. Waffling on it comes off as scum fearing a potential for two conftown and not knowing what to do with it.

Reading between the lines of this post shows I'm town reading Titus and Squirly btw so I'm not sure why you haven't challenged that but still act like my town reads are bad/nonexistent

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I am inclined to believe Titus for now, but there is just one thing that keeps bugging me: her early and highly confident (and uncalled for) townread of Ranger. This conflicts with my belief that Ranger is scum.

Let some flips sort that out

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I was commenting on the fact that he might be scum.

Why might Flubber be scum? I have a null read on him atm.

Minimal posts, comes into the game with a weak read on me, totally ignores everything that is happening and doesn't comment on the game or throw out reads. I mean he called titus and squirrely town I think how he phrased it was odd.

My points were mostly I didn't want to read the argument as I have been in games with both titus and farside and they always argue over seemingly nothing.

I think titus was dumbtelling because of the misunderstanding. Although I might be wrong in what dumbtelling means. Still need to look it up.

I like how you accuse me of ignoring the game in the same post you admit to ignoring the game yourself in and still want to say it's something scum do....

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Are town villager and town citizen different somehow? *Is confused*

Hello scumslip.

VOTE: Bebop.

I don't do crumbs.

Yes you do.
Titus is scum, too.

VOTE: Titus.

This is not how you scumhunt when you think you've found a slip

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Almost caught up

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VOTE: bebop

How do you know he is gonna flip town?

Ranger and Always Innocent

Talk to me about what motivations you see behind this post

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Is this a good summary of Ranger v. AI?

AI: your reads are bad. You are scum

Ranger:that's just how I play

AI: your play is bad. You are scum

Ranger: my play isn't bad tho

AI: yes it is

Ranger: no it's not

Etc.

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VOTE: flubber

Mod confirmed multiball. Can't PoE to 3 ppl.

Have you never seen an incomplete reads list before

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Plus how the fuck do you PoE Albert?

How do you read Albert at all. I didn't even know he was in the game

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Because I was catching up and it normally takes you a couple posts for you to come to your senses after you think you've pegged me

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@ai I highly doubt it because it wasn't inflammatory

But in all seriousness, I can only half see your argument. Like the reads list is dissonant, but the argument is more about that there's no reasons? A good scum can cover that up just like a bad town can flail over it.

Self meta is bad but people have vanity issues. It's what they do. I see it from a lot of either alignment and you just have to say it's null and void. But 9/10 times you can't really make a case with it

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VOTE: flubber

Mod confirmed multiball. Can't PoE to 3 ppl.

Have you never seen an incomplete reads list before

You can't have a PoE to three people and then say it's incomplete. That's what happens if your PoE is too big not too small.

Do you think my scum reads are by poe or my town reads?

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You're arguing theory a lot more than you think

I'm pretty bad a posting reasons and in the past few months ms has had no problem correctly town reading me

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Is this a good summary of Ranger v. AI?
AI: your reads are bad. You are scum
Ranger:that's just how I play
AI: your play is bad. You are scum
Ranger: my play isn't bad tho
AI: yes it is
Ranger: no it's not
Etc.

I think there are some important details in that conversation though. His claim that I slipped with my earlier comment about citizen versus villager is patently false. If I were a villager and see someone labeled as a "citizen" appear dead, I would have asked the same question. I'm almost wondering if ranger's role pm said citizen based on his reading of the conversation. I'm going to have to re-read the conversation between AI and Ranger more carefully before I decide if I want to move my vote over to wanderer or not.

Aren't you fully outed? Shouldn't you be looking at that as to whether or not they pushed you to claim, and why they would have done that?

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Okay but why am I less scummy than ranger then?

And arguing theory should be left to the mafia discussion forum. You're normally best just stating your stances and leaving it at that. It's easy for scum to argue theory and is a good red herring from a lack of scumhunting

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I want them to

use

theory, just not argue their theory is right

Some people think that a lack of reasoning is scummy on its own. Some don't.

There's not enough time in this game's day phases combined to get everyone onto one side

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Also x is obviously more scummy than y isn't much of a reason

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Anyway, could you answer Titus' question why you are wrongly applying PoE to three scum, knowing there should be more?

You could answer 658 as well

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Also "I don't want to spam the thread" doesn't cover up your dissonance

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I don't have a solid grasp on this game because I hae no idea what's going on with Titus and Squirely. They are both PRs, and Titus is a JK, Squirely is some kind of PR that doesn't get mod feedback. Is this the gist of it? Because I don't really understand.

People say AI solely because of his play? Or did I miss something?

I post a lot.

Anyway, could you answer Titus' question why you are wrongly applying PoE to three scum, knowing there should be more?

You could answer 658 as well

You first. Then I will answer.

wow really are you reading

At the time, I had 3 scum reads. The wanderer case makes sense and yakko's play is bullshit. I had a slight scum read on dw and didn't see any additional posting from him so that stuck. Everyone else is town by poe. Yes, I'm wrong, because two/three scum in a game this size isn't probable. But are all your reads right all the time?

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abr always plays like this. perpetual null all the time. meh

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@flubber do you seriously not see the problem with three scumreads and all others are town by PoE?

well I just said i know my reads are wrong because of it

so no I have no clue

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you should at least explain why you dont like my case on yakko

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Prodge

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Behind them are Always Innocent, who has one of the longer isos in the game. He's been scumhunting plenty, and is definitely not a vampire. His play is largely focused on certain players at a time, meaning there isn't exactly one spot you can look at and go, "so that's what his thoughts on the players are", but he's not leaving himself with suspiciously few interactions. He is also very doubtfully a werewolf, given his relatively-early callout of ABR being scum. (This is not quite as absolute as his Wanderer callout, but it's close enough.)

I don't think bussing abr in any sort of manner is unlikely but I do agree that he is not scum

Catching up soon

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Re 827

Ranger looks town here. It's not very pro-scum to make stances on lurkers,especially with town reads

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1. I voted for Wanderer before it was cool. So I am not a vampire.
2. I voted for Albert B. before it was cool. So I am not a werewolf.

Neither of these were cool.

I don't see how being at the front of the train makes you confirmed town.

It doesn't, but it makes it more likely. I am confirmed town, though.

We also had a town cop with a guilty on ABR so that was kind of a no brainer.

True, but I voted even before that and called out Albert B, causing him to be annoyed with me (it is hard to fake this).

Given multiball a scum cop isn't out of the question unless I missed a particular of Mr. B's claim. And again these weren't the epitome of scum play you went after

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Flubber your 3-pool POE sucks donkey balls.

Now you are just copying me. And I was basically repeating Titus' question.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, some noobie that joined november 2015 can be right on occasion.

Link me to your newbie game I want to make fun of you.

Titus AI is one of your people?

Why don't I like any of them?

You can't fake this shit.

Yes you can

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It's not that hard to fake anger when you consistently make one line posts

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Yakko why am I scum?

I've also missed the case on errant

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So I still have yet to get a good grip on this game so I'm going to try something new and see what VCA can do for me.

Still not willing to call him town but first thing I notice was Yakko on 2 scum lynches, one from each faction. I don't town read him for it but I can understand why his wagon never really got off.

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I have yet to understand why errant is scum. Let's see what's there

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Errant is only on the wanderer wagon when it is safe

Hmmmmm

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I have no clue on kaboose