Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[SirCakez]

Yes that's what I mean.

[droog]

Not confident. I thought it was pretty clear.

but you said his tone was confident

His tone is confident but his actions do not reflect actually being confident.

so when you say that townies are confident
do you mean that townies are condinnt
or townies have confident tones

[Cerberus v666]

@Cerberus:
About PC, I don't like his accusation that my posts to him were "useless theory fluff" when he was the one who brought up the theory. I haven't pushed him because he hasn't been at the top of my scum list.

Hmm. Read required, I don't recall the accusation that your posts were useless theory fluff. Also, he's right, NAA first brought up the idea, but...his answer was weird. I don't think it was like he directly answered the question, he was just like "Oh yeah, btw, I'm not going to be paying any attention to associatives ever."

About Yonom, I felt a little better about her after her responses to my attacks, particularly where she acknowledged her fallacy.

Gotcha. Hmm. Not enough content with her for me to have any real opinion on how reasonable this thought is.

About Rhazh, he's not being very helpful and he seems to be subtly egging on my wagon.

How so? Again, something I need to check his iso for. You said subtle, so...i'll look.

And another thing- I don't necessarily expect my 3 biggest scumreads to be the scumteam. So I don't think all my scumreads need to "fit in".

it would really help me
keep a few of you straight
if you please got avatars

That's eh, that's not happening. Try reading our names?

Why are you so against having an avatar? Are you trying to make a statement? Are you morally opposed to avatars? Would you having an avatar be like a false idol that fails to represent your greatness? What gives?

I couldn't care less about having an avatar. As something I don't care about, it's not worth however little time it would take to get an avatar and set it up. As someone who doesn't care, doing it would be solely for the benefit of the *many* people who have asked me to get one, and none of you matter enough to me to me on a personal level for me to spend even a second doing something for you. *shrug*

Basically, I won't do it because there is no benefit to me, and doing it for the benefit of someone else I don't care about is meh.

Now, if you WERE someone I thought was super cool, I'd probably tell you that I'm not gonna do it because I said so.

I like the whole "false idol that fails to represent my greatness" line though. I think i'm going to steal it. From now on, that will be the excuse I'll give. ^^

Also, interesting perspective cakez. I'll keep it in mind when I look over your ISO. I do believe SS isn't the only person who has displayed similar confidence. Others have even voted using a similar template of vote: x. Reason, Reason, Reason. I'll check the thread and remind you of it so you can tell me what the difference is between SS and those slots.

[droog]

[SirCakez]

Not confident. I thought it was pretty clear.

but you said his tone was confident

His tone is confident but his actions do not reflect actually being confident.

so when you say that townies are confident
do you mean that townies are condinnt
or townies have confident tones

Townies are confident. I've said it multiple times.
Interested to see what Cerberus finds.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I strongly disagree with that statement.

I VERY strongly disagree with that statement.

[droog]

actually hold up

As someone who doesn't care, doing it would be solely for the benefit of the *many* people who have asked me to get one, and none of you matter enough to me

are you on the *town* faction
with other *townies*
who share your interests
and benefit you when you benefit them
???????

[Extrapolated Eagle]

actually hold up

As someone who doesn't care, doing it would be solely for the benefit of the *many* people who have asked me to get one, and none of you matter enough to me

are you on the *town* faction
with other *townies*
who share your interests
and benefit you when you benefit them
???????

I don't think he's town so I don't know how far you'll get with this but I might be wrong I guess.

[Something_Smart]

Pretty confident. This discussion is going in circles.

Okay then SirCakez, answer this: What makes you so confident? Do you really think you are that good at Mafia?

[Cerberus v666]

actually hold up

As someone who doesn't care, doing it would be solely for the benefit of the *many* people who have asked me to get one, and none of you matter enough to me

are you on the *town* faction
with other *townies*
who share your interests
and benefit you when you benefit them
???????

This question about avatars isn't game related. Trying to say I have some sort of obligation to get an avatar because it would "benefit" the town and thus be playing towards my win con is ridiculous. Getting one is just a thing I don't want to do.

[Cerberus v666]

actually hold up

As someone who doesn't care, doing it would be solely for the benefit of the *many* people who have asked me to get one, and none of you matter enough to me

are you on the *town* faction
with other *townies*
who share your interests
and benefit you when you benefit them
???????

I don't think he's town so I don't know how far you'll get with this but I might be wrong I guess.

Is this because I don't do reads on D1, or is there some other reason?

[droog]

no
the issues is that your first reaction was
"theres no one i care about who would benefit"

[SirCakez]

Pretty confident. This discussion is going in circles.

Okay then SirCakez, answer this: What makes you so confident? Do you really think you are that good at Mafia?

The reactions of you and others throughout the thread is making me confident. My townreads are agreeing with me is also making me confident.
And I don't think I'm good at mafia honestly.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

It is game related and it is to the benefit of the town.

I dare you to try to play a game with no avatars and I can promise you it is a lot harder to keep track of everyone.

PEdit: it's because of a lot of things, but even if you are town you're playing an anti-town game.

[Titus]

@Cerb, That post was not a joke. You'll find I don't joke much. I was detecting a sudden desire by Rh to talk theory, drag the game down and not focusing on SS. I was pressuring there. I am rather surprised you find me using the word "Discuss" as a joke. You know I am super serious compared to most.

@all, Can anyone give me a reason on Cakez beyond he's obvtown and pushing scum...like really

[Something_Smart]

guys drop it about the avatar
how hard is it to read a name anyway

Pretty confident. This discussion is going in circles.

Okay then SirCakez, answer this: What makes you so confident? Do you really think you are that good at Mafia?

The reactions of you and others throughout the thread is making me confident. My townreads are agreeing with me is also making me confident.
And I don't think I'm good at mafia honestly.

So basically, confbias. Have any specific reasons?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

he needed exploring. I'm ok with going back to ss now, though, I don't see much wrong with cakez or his reaction.

I thought he seemed to be kind of hiding/ sheeping and I voted and pushed to see if he had thoughts of his own but while I disagree with some of the stuff he's said I think he's probably town and he does think for himself.

VOTE: S S

[Something_Smart]

Titus, SirCakez has made weak cases, made reads based on who agrees with him, hasn't actually done that much scumhunting, and now this whole confidence load of crap.
Remember that scum's main problem is how confident they should appear in their reads. It's likely that SirCakez misjudged that on me and is now hurting for it.

[SirCakez]

guys drop it about the avatar
how hard is it to read a name anyway

Pretty confident. This discussion is going in circles.

Okay then SirCakez, answer this: What makes you so confident? Do you really think you are that good at Mafia?

The reactions of you and others throughout the thread is making me confident. My townreads are agreeing with me is also making me confident.
And I don't think I'm good at mafia honestly.

So basically, confbias. Have any specific reasons?

The series of posts I quoted earlier. That progression of thinking was one I don't see coming from town.
The "It was a joke" thing. That's been hashed over a ton already.

[Something_Smart]

Eagle remind me where you changed your mind from not feeling good about lynching me (at least compared to Rhazh)?

[AlwaysInnocent]

@Cerb, That post was not a joke. You'll find I don't joke much. I was detecting a sudden desire by Rh to talk theory, drag the game down and not focusing on SS. I was pressuring there. I am rather surprised you find me using the word "Discuss" as a joke. You know I am super serious compared to most.

@all, Can anyone give me a reason on Cakez beyond he's obvtown and pushing scum...like really

Titus is scum.

Discuss.

[Something_Smart]

guys drop it about the avatar
how hard is it to read a name anyway

Pretty confident. This discussion is going in circles.

Okay then SirCakez, answer this: What makes you so confident? Do you really think you are that good at Mafia?

The reactions of you and others throughout the thread is making me confident. My townreads are agreeing with me is also making me confident.
And I don't think I'm good at mafia honestly.

So basically, confbias. Have any specific reasons?

The series of posts I quoted earlier. That progression of thinking was one I don't see coming from town.
The "It was a joke" thing. That's been hashed over a ton already.

So basically your argument boils down to "he seems too confident but he isn't" and "he joked in RVS".
I've already discussed the former. For the latter please read my wallpost to Titus in its entirety.

AI for the love of god could you please give a reason for anything you say.

[Cerberus v666]

no
the issues is that your first reaction was
"theres no one i care about who would benefit"

*shrug* it's just the truth. I don't view the avatar thing as being even slightly game relevant. If it's not game relevant, it comes down to my personal feelings about having an avatar, which are no, I don't feel like getting one, and my feeling about those who want me to get one, which are fuck off you don't matter to me. If you *do* feel that it's game relevant, then, well, I suppose we simply disagree.

It is game related and it is to the benefit of the town.

I dare you to try to play a game with no avatars and I can promise you it is a lot harder to keep track of everyone.

PEdit: it's because of a lot of things, but even if you are town you're playing an anti-town game.

Saying I'm playing an anti-town game is a rather major statement to make. You can say I'm doing an anti-town thing, and you're welcome to hold that opinion, but saying I'm playing an anti-town game is a much bigger deal. Can you elaborate which one you intended?

@Cerb, That post was not a joke. You'll find I don't joke much. I was detecting a sudden desire by Rh to talk theory, drag the game down and not focusing on SS. I was pressuring there. I am rather surprised you find me using the word "Discuss" as a joke. You know I am super serious compared to most.

@all, Can anyone give me a reason on Cakez beyond he's obvtown and pushing scum...like really

hmph. Point taken Titus. Your seriousness isn't really important, what's important is how that post may have been interpreted. I think it's reasonable to say it may have been interpreted as less than serious. If he thought it WAS serious, and did the whole joke/backing off thing, whatever...then we get to talk about the idea of whether or not this "tell" is a good one. I'm still at the point where I'm not even sure the post you made was interpreted as you intended it, which is a good way off of the point I need to be at to be talking about the scum tell. I read his whole iso, you see stuff above. His responses to my concerns were...reasonable. Not great, but it wasn't like he was fumbling over himself to explain the contradictions I pointed out.

pedit: Titus could always be scum. I've never played with her in a game without a decent number of PR's, and I think she was a VT in only one of those games(and I had her nailed as town from like, super duper early on), so it's hard for me to analyze her early game play since her play in our previous games has always been greatly influenced by the PR she had, if my recollection is correct.

[AlwaysInnocent]

guys drop it about the avatar
how hard is it to read a name anyway

Pretty confident. This discussion is going in circles.

Okay then SirCakez, answer this: What makes you so confident? Do you really think you are that good at Mafia?

The reactions of you and others throughout the thread is making me confident. My townreads are agreeing with me is also making me confident.
And I don't think I'm good at mafia honestly.

So basically, confbias. Have any specific reasons?

The series of posts I quoted earlier. That progression of thinking was one I don't see coming from town.
The "It was a joke" thing. That's been hashed over a ton already.

So basically your argument boils down to "he seems too confident but he isn't" and "he joked in RVS".
I've already discussed the former. For the latter please read my wallpost to Titus in its entirety.

AI for the love of god could you please give a reason for anything you say.

I am gonna say "gut", the ultimate joker card in this game.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, one more point to Eagle: I lose track of what avatars belong to what people. Having the avatars arguably makes it harder for me to keep track of the game. Peoples individual posting styles and the idiosyncrasies in their phrasing do a lot more to identify who made a post for me than a silly picture next to their name.

And yes, that should be enough said about the avatar thing.