Mini 1758: Game Over

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

I didn't know you were in this game...

If Lokiben is scum, SirCakez isn't.

I'm too tired to squirm.
I'm on the night shift till Monday.
Maybe next week I can squirm?

PS..Hi CKD. I haven't seen you in a million years! Elyse, too.

Hey!

VOTE: Lokiben

if he flips scum we get conftown

Good to see some of you again, RC always lights up any game he's in, ckd is pretty cool and I expect big things now that he has a computer.

[Elyse]

[Elyse]

If you know what movie that is from I won't lynch you today

[Elyse]

Elyse was an IC in my first game with her too.

(I was the mod, she was an innocent child)

I do not remember this at all.

And no it is not mean girls 2...the disrespect.

VOTE: Zulfy

I can't let you get away with that.

[Elyse]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30779

you don't remember my game?

Wow not in the slightest. I'll have to reread that when I get bored. I love reading old games I don't remember.

[Elyse]

If you know what movie that is from I won't lynch you today

Inglorious Bastards?

Snaps for you!!!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Triple post is a no-no

Short introduction: I have six or eight completed FM games under my belt from elsewhere on the web. I know Cakez from these games, and that's why I invited him to join me in this game. I have dropped out of two games due to RL on Mafiascum. Once I adjust to the meta here, I should be good to go. GL all

VOTE: Lokiben

Don't like "triple post is a no-no", don't like the forced explanation of why he invited Cakez to join him (though it does render my original thought useless)

[Elyse]

And I'm assuming the scumread on RC for not using spellcheck is a joke

[Elyse]

@cowbell
Maybe? Seems dumb, though.

Also... Your scumreads on me? It's just your fear speaking. You are terrified that I'm scum and will fool you again. Or YOU are scum and you know I will ruin your entire scum empire, and you are hellbent on a mislynch because you know tictac will be on you like white on rice if you nightkill me like you wanna.

One or the other?

Why did you say tictac will be on RC like white rice if he NKs you if you think tictac is scum with RC?

VOTE: camn

Also I was actually right, if Lokiben is scum, then SirCakez is town.

[Elyse]

Also I was actually right, if Lokiben is scum, then SirCakez is town.

K den. Is this the most you're going to acknowledge that last post written specifically for you?

D'awwww

Otherwise I'm going to assume that you had no motivation other than stirring up trouble.

What do you mean by stirring up trouble?

Also, tell me why you don't like "Triple post is a no-no". I don't want to hear that you thought I was trying to dampen discussion by encouraging the limitation of double or triple posts because why would I do that, and how would I wield enough influence to do that?

First I'd like to hear why you think a triple post is a no-no.

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Elyse]

Is that serious

[Elyse]

I think it's a bad vote if it's serious. And if it's not, then you should make a decent vote since there's more than enough grounds to do so.

[Elyse]

Yes...I'm waiting to expand on that for the time being.

You still haven't answered by original question.

[Elyse]

my

[Elyse]

That vote seems more like a policy vote than a vote on someone you think is scum.

So many scummy people in this game...

[Elyse]

That vote seems more like a policy vote than a vote on someone you think is scum.

So many scummy people in this game...

Well you would be wrong about that. I would educate you on what the word "ping" means in the context of mafia, but I know you already know.

I thought you'd be smart enough to infer that your use of the word ping doesn't make your vote better :/

@Lokiben
I'm not answering your questions until you answer mine. I'm the one who questioned you first. As a side note, both are terrible, stupid questions that make it seem like you're stalling for some reason.

Also my Cakez vote was because asking someone to give him the case on camn because he doesn't see it on page EIGHT is scummy to me. Like obviously the case isn't complex enough that you can't read it again. If you still don't like it at that point, then you probably don't agree with it. Asking for someone to explain it to you so early on just makes it look like a cheap way for you to hop on the wagon. If you really "didn't see it", you would explain the issues with the case rather than ask for someone to restate it.

[Elyse]

Your question about the scum motivation fueling your vote?

I don't think your RVS vote had some ulterior scum motive. It was just stilted and awkward, like you were trying to fit in and act town.

[Elyse]

RC's vote consisted of "I'm bussing my partner" so yeah I wanted to see some kind of thought process behind the vote. I have no intention of ever voting camn as of right now because I don't see anything scummy from them.

Then why didn't you ask RC specifically? Instead you asked anyone to explain the case.

[Elyse]

Because RC was leading the wagon and people were sheeping on it so it was an open question to anyone on the wagon.

Meh ok.

@ika
Please try to put letters in the correct order. It makes for easier reading. Thanks!

[Elyse]

Hey Elyse, promise me that you're town.

I promise.

@acryon
I'm dropping this line of inquiry.

Camn's posts do seem off. It's like she's trying to be lighthearted, but it comes off forced and awkward, like Lokiben's entrance.

I still hate all of SirCakez's posts though and I implore people to look at his ISO.

[Elyse]

@lokiben

I still think you're scum...I think you're misunderstanding me. Your vote was scummy, but not in a strategic way.

[Elyse]

I think you're scummy because your entrance was awkward and stilted (deja vu), like you were trying to provide a serious reason because it's the townie thing to do. Instead, it came off as forced and weird, especially since your reason was awful. (triple post is a no-no???)

Make sense?

[Elyse]

especially since your reason was awful. (triple post is a no-no???)

RVS vote, RVS reason.

I thought so at first but his response made me think otherwise. Plus he never said why a triple post is a no-no.

[Elyse]

And you never said why you thought I was serious when I prompted you to.

I'll respond more in depth tomorrow because I'm going to sleep now but boy do I have some words.

I was asking you...because I didn't know...that's how questions work.

[Elyse]

And you never said why you thought I was serious when I prompted you to.

I'll respond more in depth tomorrow because I'm going to sleep now but boy do I have some words.

I was asking you...because I didn't know...that's how questions work.

Serious question- Did you ever see post 231, in which I answered that already in-quote in bold? Because if not, then your 247 makes much more sense to me, as my 248 should to you.

All I see is you asking me why I thought you were serious and not answering my question...

Why does RC only have 2 votes? He's literally just flipflopped between Tictac and Camn, and in between joked about being scum. There is literally nothing of substance, he's just hiding behind Camn and Tictac's interaction making comments about it.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

This vote is icky to me. The overuse of the word literally makes it seem like UpTooLate is scum who is trying to vote a townie and found reasons. A townie is "literally" doing scummy stuff everyone look!!!

VOTE: UpTooLate

Also he's perennially catching up and not posting much substance.

[Elyse]

cool

[Elyse]

camn never said she was on the same team as someone. She said she hopes she is, meaning she hoped whoever she was referring to is on the same team.

[Elyse]

Cakez is scummiest

[Elyse]

Ty camn.

Tictac could be scum but I don't really care about him right now even though he's #trending in this game.

But Cakez has shown no scumhunting initiative. His ISO is full of him defending himself, explaining himself, or asking other people to do stuff. There's nothing that even makes me THINK he's town.

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Elyse]

@Everyone
Are you townreading SirCakez?

If you answered yes, explain why.
If you answered no, vote him.

Thank you.

[Elyse]

Like Elyse, do you believe town should not defend their self, explain their self or ask other people questions and to do stuff?

This is just a terrible, scummy post.

The question is not only stupid, but the answer is obvious. Yes town should do that, but town should ALSO and MORE IMPORTANTLY scumhunt. Which you aren't doing. Maybe in your latest posts after some pressure was applied you're starting to.

[Elyse]

2 more votes on SirCakez and we lynch a scum. Let's do it!!!!!

[Elyse]

Elyse is ignoring what doesn't fit her narrative which I'm disliking.

What am I ignoring?

Do you expect me to hand you a townread for making a meager attempt at scumhunting after being poked and prodded to do so? Uh uh

[Elyse]

Elyse is ignoring what doesn't fit her narrative which I'm disliking.

What am I ignoring?

Do you expect me to hand you a townread for making a meager attempt at scumhunting after being poked and prodded to do so? Uh uh

do I get paid vacation and dental?

No. Slaves get nothing. But I like to use the term indentured servant.

I expect you to kill a tunnel on someone who's trying to defend himself and move the game forward and go after some of the five-plus unpressured lurkers, yeah.

Nah when I catch scum I don't let them go.

[Elyse]

My initial reason of him being awkward is still there, but the rest of his posts are due to a giant misunderstanding that asf explained pretty eloquently. He hasn't really given me scumvibes since and his "rekt" post seemed genuine even if he was completely misguided. So yeah he's mild town for now actually.

And I'm not townreading tictac...? (if that question was to me)

[Elyse]

It was, since you completely avoided the wagon while it was still in existence.
Actually a readslist would be nice.

No

[Elyse]

I do have to say this seems to be a generally pleasant player list for a change. ^__^

[Elyse]

I had a busy night. I will look at it tomorrow.

[Elyse]

I'm strict sry

[Elyse]

Pause.

ika lurks as scum.

I am 99.99% sure he is scum.

It's his biggest tell and he does it without fail.

VOTE: ika

Please follow me here. I promise.

I forgot ika was in this game until Cakez reminded me. (Cakez this will give you townpoints. Hop on!)

[Elyse]

Normally I don't put much stock into meta but with ika it's different. I'm telling you.

[Elyse]

Also if ika flips scum, acryon dies next.

There is zero reason to oppose a wagon on a lurker at this point, even if its sole purpose is pressure.

[Elyse]

Also if ika flips scum, acryon dies next.

There is zero reason to oppose a wagon on a lurker at this point, even if its sole purpose is pressure.

I'm actually fine with pressuring lurkers. I am not fine with saying X person is 100% scum because they are lurking.

Ok so let the wagon go and pressure ika then. Criticize it if it becomes an issue.

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

and this....except worse. take responsibility for your own vote.

Elyse, what game did you develop this meta from? have you been in games with him that he lurks as town?

Olympian Gods Mafia (which I modded), Taylor Swift Mafia, other people have said this - it's a known thing

And no.

Cakez could still be scum but he will look a lot better if ika is.

[Elyse]

He's scum let's lynch him

[Elyse]

Preach gurl

[Elyse]

We should let him claim.

[Elyse]

Can't say.

Hammer away. If he flips town I'll take full blame. But I don't think he will.

[Elyse]

elyse can eat rope next btw i expect an apology post game for thinking my activity is really a scum tell

This is a prime example of why he's scum. He says I can eat rope next but in the very same sentence implies I'm town.

[Elyse]

I'm not answering

[Elyse]

Ongoing

[Elyse]

[Elyse]

Ongoing

when the game(s) in question over will you PM me then?

i want to know who keeps lying about me

Sure thing

[Elyse]

I still think ika is scum trolling us.

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

[Elyse]

Why two?

[Elyse]

If I was scum and ika was a counterwagon to me, then why did Elyse, someone who was vehemently scumreading me, start that wagon?

And an acryon kill makes no sense for scum me because he was one of the few people defending me.

This is awful. Lynch it please.

[Elyse]

Slept peacefully. Will have meaningful post later.

It's your scumday too?!?!?

That's four people I know.

[Elyse]

Voting SirCakez

[Elyse]

How am I distancing from the ika wagon

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

How is this distancing

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

What was I supposed to say to that

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

How is this distancing

You immediately said, "my bad, I'll take a backseat, let's move on" and moved on without any investigation of the wagon at all.

So in other words, I took responsibility for the wagon and voted my top scumread, who was on it and then immediately criticized it.

Lol

HAMMER HIM. THIS TIME IT'S ON SCUM.

[Elyse]

I'm not afraid it will dissipate. I don't actually expect anyone to hammer (though I wouldn't be opposed to it), I was just expressing how strong my scumread on you is.

[Elyse]

I'm not afraid it will dissipate. I don't actually expect anyone to hammer (though I wouldn't be opposed to it), I was just expressing how strong my scumread on you is.

Oh wow cake is entirely right.

VOTE: Elyse

Has no one ever said HAMMER HIM!!!! while voting someone to express your scumread on them. It's not like I can vote for him again. I mean gosh do you think I would be so obvious as scum to call for a quickhammer on someone again?

[Elyse]

Welp that's how I roll

[Elyse]

In google images you can set the size to 100x100

[Elyse]

Elyse, quick question. is RC town?

Yes

[Elyse]

I think I'm missing something

[Elyse]

VOTE: ckd

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

What happened to this?

Rolecop takes priority over goon

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

Meh I thought it was different

[Elyse]

VOTE: ckd

[Elyse]

^why are you still voting me and what are your thoughts on ckd

[Elyse]

Hammer him.

Cakez and Zulfy are next.

[Elyse]

Why Zulfy? He's still sitting in my null reads.

He's not acknowledging ckd or what's happening. Reads to me as scum unsure of what to do and scared of being perceived the wrong way

[Elyse]

I want to lynch ckd today.

[Elyse]

Oh damn.

I don't want to lynch camn yet. I like her.

[Elyse]

I feel like town ckd would be more indignant and angry

[Elyse]

I don't really have a problem with it. I don't know what other productive things can come out of today. Ckd needs to hang.

[Elyse]

tl;dr this page

[Elyse]

Where is RC's claim?

[Elyse]

I told you Zulfy is scum

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Elyse]

VOTE: camn

I don't like that claim.

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

for suggesting his own lynch when the momentum started swinging toward camn.

Also would vote a plain farmer.

[Elyse]

I don't care

[Elyse]

No vote SirCakez.

[Elyse]

Vote SirCakez or I vote you.

I don't care who dies first. Bussing will only speed the game up. Your loss is inevitable.

[Elyse]

VOTE: a plain farmer

You failed to follow a simple request.

[Elyse]

It's exceedingly obvious to anyone who's paying attention that it's a simple farmer/SirCakez but a plain farmer doesn't have the decency to bus :/

[Elyse]

Yes

Well you're obvscum after camn's lynch and he's already obvscum so he doesn't have much of a chance.

I also love how you're arguing that you're not scum together rather than that you're not scum. It makes it even easier.

[Elyse]

Then vote Cakez. There's already a wagon.

[Elyse]

You can worry about that after Cakez flips.

Arguing you're not scum together before he flips is scummy, especially because you theoretically shouldn't have to when SRMP flips scum from your PoV.

[Elyse]

@everyone

Pls vote SirCakez or a simple farmer in your next post. It really doesn't matter which but it's clear they are scum. Let's do it.

[Elyse]

@Lokiben @zulfy

The common denominator here is Cakez so let's lynch him.

I think it's apf/Cakez. ckd thinks it's tictac/Cakez. apf thinks it's SMRP/Cakez.

Unless Loki and Zulfy are scum together, they're town because a scumbuddy would have alerted them that I'm RC's mason buddy.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Elyse]

You got it

[Elyse]

How the fuck is SirCakez a nullread, Loki?

And no I'm not telling you how many masons there are. You're scummy as fuck for suggesting that.

RC suspected you, SirCakez, and a plain farmer most of all. He detailed it in our private topic. I was hesitant on you but now I think he might've been right.

[Elyse]

Yeah that line about Cakez "starting to get suspicious of SMRP" is bullshit and just a vague sentence that allows him to hop onto that wagon later on.

[Elyse]

We lynch SRMP after Farmer.

no

How the fuck is SirCakez a nullread, Loki?

And no I'm not telling you how many masons there are. You're scummy as fuck for suggesting that.

RC suspected you, SirCakez, and a plain farmer most of all. He detailed it in our private topic. I was hesitant on you but now I think he might've been right.

A) SirCakez is not a null read of mine. I was referring to camn's reads.

B) Why and why? The scum lose claim space, and the other mason(s) could confirm themselves if they ever needed to reveal in a pinch. I made it clear that there could be an angle I'm missing due to inexperience, and I don't appreciate you leapfrogging that to arrive at a scumread.

I'm frankly exasperated that you're town. Maybe if you had responded to my reads on you seriously instead of condescendingly brushing them off as if they weren't valid, I wouldn't have wasted so much of my breath.

A) So what is your read on Cakez?
B) The scum don't lose claim space by knowing the specific number of masons. It gives them more setup knowledge and better info to make a fakeclaim.

Your read on me was based on a giant misrep I explained and then you continued to spout garbage so I ignored you. :/

Now vote Cakez.

[Elyse]

A plain farmer

[Elyse]

Or Lokiben

[Elyse]

I won't have to worry about that though lmao I should be dead by then.

[Elyse]

How have I not made my stance on Cakez clear already?!?!?

As for Day 1, I'm just going to shelve it for after the game. Just know that I am judging you.

You didn't mention him today despite him being the leading wagon, which brings me to my next question:

Why aren't you voting Cakez?

Also I am judging you for not being able to read properly.

[Elyse]

lol

You think SRMP and Cakez are scum together???

[Elyse]

Did you read this page

[Elyse]

Ok cool then help me lynch SirCakez

[Elyse]

I meant to add, did RC ever give any reasons for scumread me, Elyse? Because he didn't in the thread. -_-

He said that your case on me was storytelling instead of scumhunting and you pointed out scummy things camn did but never followed up.

[Elyse]

Si

[Elyse]

Yeah my bad. I had a crazy week. I still want to lynch Cakez.

[Elyse]

Well that's not happening