Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood - Day 2

[Garmr]

VOTE: dwlee

dwlee knows why he is voted.

[Garmr]

I like that attitude drcirno

[Garmr]

Are you guys dumb Dr circno was already voting dwlee his still L-2.

[Garmr]

Dwlee just bitter about you leaving and not staying if you catch my drift I was looking forward to a whole game with you.

[Garmr]

Don't really care about the town block this early if there is scum in it they will be weeded out and if it's all town then scum will have a pain in the ass. I'm quite indifferent to it to some degree.

[Garmr]

It's not like these starter wagon ever take off dwlee.

[Garmr]

Not really sarcastic just they tend to die down more often than speed lynched. I only ever seen it be consistent from start of day1 to a lynch and that was on scum.

[Garmr]

Still waiting for that sheep though. :3

What do you think of skull master dwlee.

[Garmr]

They're leaning town rn. I am bad at reading people from my home site on here though, so don't 100% trust me. >http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=63747< Yea I don't want to remember this game..

VOTE: Skull master

I disagree I think they are scummy.

Did.. Did we almost just hammer right at the start of D1?
Thanks for giving me a heart attack.
That could of just been REALLY bad.

Is unvoting possible in Mafiascum, or do you have to keep a vote on somebody at all times?

Nopers.
Once you vote, you can't revote for the cycle. It is now locked in for all of D1.

Just use the unvote tag. UNVOTE: <--- no space, obviously

^ Highlight that to read it, Skull.

Good to know, thanks. I have no confident leads at the moment, so I'm just going to keep my vote on dwlee for the time being.
(Sorry dwlee.)

Apologizes about keeping his vote on you. Even if he thinks he has to vote someone constanly he could easily move his vote off to someone else. It makes me think his concerned about his image.

Oh.
UNVOTE: Dwlee99
Misread aristophanes said. I was on a phone, so I couldn't highlight the black text. I just assumed it was unimportant lol.
sigh

Skull you know I am town so why instead of sheeping me are you voting me?

I legitimately thought there was some sort of thing where you can't unvote, so you have to have a vote on someone at all times.

Seems concerned with his image here a little to much.

VOTE: Skullmaster4

[Garmr]

it cut off part of my post

post 27 looks like fake concern over a hammer.

[Garmr]

@Johhny
Noticed you skipped over forming a opinion on anyone in this game so far and just asked questions. Do you have any town or scum reads?

[Garmr]

I think Number 1 might be town. If I had a scumread I'd be voting them.

Who's number 1 I am confused

[Garmr]

Ugh

@Dwee does Skull's newbiness here match what you've seen of him before? Also is he generally this friendly? If the answer to either of these is no then I'll join the wagon. If not these Skull votes are garbage.

Why are you trying to disable the wagon with no reasoning you just been a hipster this game.


Ok complains about the easy town reads being giving out for no reason when pushed,
Gives no reason as to number 1 could be town and hands him a easy town read.

Starts the game with nothing but questions that look like


Multiple attempts at smearing peoples imagaes who are commonly read as town.

It's so sexy when you ask for my rhoughts

Dwee's confident which tells me nothing. Reactions to his reactions are cool though. A bunch of people just don't know how to read him so they talk

at

him without accomplishing much. Good for associatives later when people start flippin'

[quote="In post 76, JohnnyFarrar"
@Garmr "These wagons tend to die" is a weird observation and I'm watching you close now because I can't fathom why you said it

I dunn liek hasta

[/quote]

Also on that note why not vote hasta if you don't like him sounds like that's a scum read to me but when asked on who your town and scum reads are you just give a empty bs reason on who you think is town. That was a chance to show why you don't like hasta.

Everything you have posted is empty and with out reasoning and hating against everything like a hipster at starbucks,A emo in a cemetery or a angry mum after controversial video game.

Even with all this hating nothing you have said so far has any depth to it so far and is all shallow.

[Garmr]

@diamond S
can you please fix my quote it looks messy?

[Garmr]

@Garmr if you're gonna try to make me look scummy the least you could do is vote me. Couple things you seem to be confused about: One, my like and dislike of people has nothing to do with their alignment. I like Ari a lot (I know him well outside of Mafia) but he's maybe one of the most suspicious people right now. Two: My townread comment was not a complaint, in fact I said it would make the game interesting further down the line. Also I'm not in the habit of explaining my townreads unless people ask because I don't want to give scum a reason to

kill

my townreads, got a problem with that?
Three

Multiple attempts at smearing peoples imagaes who are commonly read as town.

I don't even know what this means

Also you seem to be trying to insulting me with your hipster bullshit. Why? If you have a personal problem with me you can send it through pm, if not let's keep the name calling to a minimum, I got out of high school a long time ago, I've no reason to listen to childish namecalling.

@insanity you gave that reason in post 74, which is by my count on page 3, not page 1. Is Ari the only weird thing you've seen since then or is he just the weirdest? Is weird scummy?

If Dwee's not willing to meta read then I'm just assuming Skull's a newbie and he's being friendly with Dwee because he's a friendly face. If y'all wanna dispute that then tell me why I'm wrong.

I have a vote already on someone else I think is scum. People can can have multiple scum reads.

Also I thought you meant disliking as not thinking hasta was town otherwise what was the point in saying that. Also this ari scum read come out of no where and you don't even vote him. The words you say and your actions don't match up making everything seem hollow.

Smearing ones image means saying something that makes them less trustworthy with out laying down a scum read on them or really even having a reason 2. Scum tend to do this when they feel threatened by people generally town reading a certain player.

Also the allusion to hipster is the fact you are against everything that seems to be the common consensuses saying it's bad ect. It was meant to be a light hearted joke about what your play resembles so far (I made other jokes like it like a emo in a cemetery.) and not a insult on your personality. Humor seems to be lost on the people of this site through.

[Garmr]

ninjaed
But that still doesn't answer the reason you didn't vote ari. You seem afraid to commit to a vote.

[Garmr]

Garmr, In all honesty I think your vote is trash. Put it on hasta or ricastle.

I think my votes better than yours and has more substance and I trust my opinion over yours.

[Garmr]

I think that is a misrep. Skull just knows me.

I'm just assuming Skull's a newbie and he's being friendly with Dwee because he's a friendly face.

You two are literally saying the same thing. This is dumb.

Watching people not understand Johnny is always amusing
This isn't out of the ordinary though and he is, I guess, a slight mafia Hipster.

Johnny, you asked if I thought Rica's post was serious a d though I don't buy that they would hammer then, as it is undead for either alignment, I thing hinting at his ability to has some indication of alignment and it gives me bad feels.

Garmr, who is generally townread right now and how is Johnny smearing their respective images?
Because it's page, what 5?
I don't think generally accepted townreads are a thing yet.

This is not a isolated case he went after dwlee as well in the post I linked. His going after shit because his playing like newbie scum and feels threatened by my presence and anyone who gets town read by a majority even through those tend to go away after the game gets in more play. It doesn't matter how many pages there are for him to feel threatened.

Also people are ignoring that all his posts are pretty much empty.

[Garmr]

I am not convinced on skull rn, and therefore I find your vote trash, garmr. Whatever.

Pff dwlee when i'm right you know this will blow back in your face.

[Garmr]

Confidence vs arrogance I like it

Gar baby watchu think about insanity?

Getting out the way I like them because they are also australian bias lol.

I didn't like that she didn't sheep me with skull master through or the fact way she doesn't really like the town block to much but that can be elevated by the fact one of her scum reads is in it. I can see it from her point of view and can see how she got to that and no real scum agenda stands out so she's not really on my lynch list at the moment.

[Garmr]

@Dwlee other than going your vote is shit can you be more constructive with what you say by explaining reasoning. I don't want to wad through piles of content less post to get to posts that have a little bit of depth.

[Garmr]

@Dwlee other than going your vote is shit can you be more constructive with what you say by explaining reasoning. I don't want to wad through piles of content less post to get to posts that have a little bit of depth.

I already said skull hasn't posted anything alignment indicative yet.

I think his concern with his image is alignment indicative.

[Garmr]

Read my post about him and how I point out where there is concern. I hate explaining things twice.

[Garmr]

dwlee can I ask you why do you even bother trying to get in the way of my posts with empty things like I can't see it ect?

You said so yourself you view Skull as not doing anything alignment indicative. I would think the town thing to do is let skull answer for himself instead of passively defending him constantly... Aren't you interested in trying to find out skull alignment it's like you don't even care?

[Garmr]

^this is what he was talking about @Johnny

I mean he quotes two posts and says "he seems concerned about his image," I'm saying I don't see that concern.

Well i do maybe I should bold it for you again.

Oh.
UNVOTE: Dwlee99
Misread aristophanes said. I was on a phone, so I couldn't highlight the black text. I just assumed it was unimportant lol.
sigh

Skull you know I am town so why instead of sheeping me are you voting me?

I legitimately thought there was some sort of thing where you can't unvote, so you have to have a vote on someone at all times.

Shows concern over how his action was perceived.

Did.. Did we almost just hammer right at the start of D1?
Thanks for giving me a heart attack.
That could of just been REALLY bad.

Is unvoting possible in Mafiascum, or do you have to keep a vote on somebody at all times?

Fake concern over a potential hammer. If he was really concerned he would of shifted his vote.

Nopers.
Once you vote, you can't revote for the cycle. It is now locked in for all of D1.

Just use the unvote tag. UNVOTE: <--- no space, obviously

^ Highlight that to read it, Skull.

Good to know, thanks. I have no confident leads at the moment, so I'm just going to keep my vote on dwlee for the time being.
(Sorry dwlee.)

Apologizes to dwell for leaving his vote on him even when he showed concern about dwlee being hammered even if he thought He couldn't unvote he could of shifted it to a wagon that wouldn't pick up. A weird interaction.

[Garmr]

No. Stop it.

Why would I?

Was referring to the fact that i am right and after this game I will rub in the salt but what ever.

[Garmr]

He thinks that the way garmr was talking in absolutes is a slip.

I think it's more the part saying you will regret it.

[Garmr]

I'm not to concerned to be honest I won't be lynched because of someones misconception. What is interesting is the reactions towards it. I want people to chip what they think of it?

[Garmr]

I'll react to it when I know exactly what he meant

You've already reacted.

[Garmr]

People keep placing shit votes, that is an example of one, garmr.

Who in your opinion is a good vote.

[Garmr]

Ricastle and Hasta. And to not be a shit vote it just needs to have good reasons that I cant just walk up and say no to.

I can go up and say no to everything even if it still has a good reason.

[Garmr]

dwlee I'm going to be blunt with you the only reason I'm hesitant to scum reading you at the moment is these facts

1.your play is extremely supbar (I have seen you can do better as scum then again sometimes your scum game is supbar but not really to this level.)

2.The fact you went out to to make a town block/taking more risks I only have seen you play safely as scum. Even then this pretty close to your scum game.

3.Taking stances early on instead of leaving yourself open to quickly change your vote.


These are the facts that don't go in your favor


1.Saying you are trash downplaying yourself like last game
2.Trying to invalidate peoples votes with out explaining why and what makes them town other than you disagree.
3.Lack any scum hunting in thread you haven't posted any good reasoning down or thought process behind it.
4.Getting in the way of other people like another certain someone in this game holding up the game is anti town.

You have done all those things as scum but I'm not sure how many of those are just your experience level since I only seen you as scum.

[Garmr]

ricastle | insanity | srmp

gg boys scum team solved

Not really sure about that but what I do know is johnny is scum. Look at his posts and how empty they really are.

[Garmr]

Eh, ric is fine, I guess. But insanity is better. Notice how she disappeared.

My townbloc is johnny, aristo, dwlee, and me. Anyone disagree?

Not sold on johnny town

and I don't really have a read on you. Aristo is probably town, though.

This is what I can agree with most scrubs seem to think being activey is a sign of being town but it's content and behavior that are most important.

Lets talk more on what you think of johnny and his posts.

[Garmr]

I don't like you're 3 recent posts dwlee they don't match up.

Eh, ric is fine, I guess. But insanity is better. Notice how she disappeared.

My townbloc is johnny, aristo, dwlee, and me. Anyone disagree?

Not sold on johnny town

and I don't really have a read on you. Aristo is probably town, though.

This indicate doubt that johnny is town but when I asked you about it you said this.

Is it a slip you see?

CLARIFY DOC YOU FUCK

But what if it's not stupid?

I don't see this coming from scum but I'm not 100% sure.

The only concern I see is him trying to be friendly with Dwee. His reactions read more genuine than fake imo and if you think he's a newer player, as I do, you can note that newbie scum aren't as free with their thought process as he seems to be. I'll wait for him to actually post more before getting aggressive about this, but consider me strongly opposed to this wagon for now

P-edit: holy shit, yeah. Get your votes off him.

This feels town.

This is hypocritical to you saying not sold on Johnny town. I would expect some things you find scummy and some things you find town . But all you are doing here is trying to sell johnny as town. It does not compute.

[Garmr]

Did you ever think I went into his iso to try and find things to read him on and discovered he is actually pretty townie? Hmmmm?

There was a 5 mins response time between my post and your answer meaning you just had a quick scan through picked random things and said they were townie. Hell it could of been even shorter than 5 mins. I would think a townie would put effort into someone they are null reading and actually try to sort them out. This is just throwing out things for the sake of it.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Garmr]

you can't read me for shit.

Can't say to much now but a ongoing game where we are both dead says otherwise. Now no more about this subject.

[Garmr]

2/3 times i'm right or 2/3 times I'm wrong lets find out.

[Garmr]

No fake hammers? This game just got boring

Make it fun then. Maybe right up a big post and explain why certain people are scum instead of not committing.

[Garmr]

Can I say what I see?

I like that you're looking, Cirno, but I'm not convinced.

Insanity I may vote though.

Welp.

I love how people are just keep going "I think I see what Cirno is seeing" and yet no words about "I think she's seeing (insert speculation here)".
(Except Garmr. But it doesn't count since it was his post.)


I did like JF trying to unearth the unvagueness.

With that said, this little fun thing did what it could, so there's no more use for this anymore.

UNVOTE:

(Oh and just in case, no I didn't believe that myself either lol)

Yeah, Dwlee's been irritating me pretty badly thus far. I didn't make the leap that it was because he was scum, which was indicative of apathy on my part more than anything.

VOTE: Dwlee99

huh

It's pretty easy to see what you are seeing but it's wrong.

[Garmr]

dwlee I'm going to be blunt with you the only reason I'm hesitant to scum reading you at the moment is these facts

1.your play is extremely supbar (I have seen you can do better as scum then again sometimes your scum game is supbar but not really to this level.)

2.The fact you went out to to make a town block/taking more risks I only have seen you play safely as scum. Even then this pretty close to your scum game.

3.Taking stances early on instead of leaving yourself open to quickly change your vote.


These are the facts that don't go in your favor


1.Saying you are trash downplaying yourself like last game
2.Trying to invalidate peoples votes with out explaining why and what makes them town other than you disagree.
3.Lack any scum hunting in thread you haven't posted any good reasoning down or thought process behind it.
4.Getting in the way of other people like another certain someone in this game holding up the game is anti town.

You have done all those things as scum but I'm not sure how many of those are just your experience level since I only seen you as scum.

Link to his scumgame?

ricastle | insanity | srmp

gg boys scum team solved

Why on Insanity?

ricastle | insanity | srmp

gg boys scum team solved

Not really sure about that but what I do know is johnny is scum. Look at his posts and how empty they really are.

I disagree!

Also, I do agree that whoever has a number avi's questions felt empty.
My vote might go there.

Maybe it's because it's night but I can't understand what ricastle is saying is his last post.

The one this is similar to is the one I can't but here is the one where he actually played well the first time I meet him.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63461

[Garmr]

^This post makes me feel insanity is town.

[Garmr]

The difference is when I vote it makes sense to people. I don't

have

to explain. (There are certain people who would have me go through the motions anyway but ew) Your vote however is garbage.

Or another way to put it is you are opportunistic.

[Garmr]

This environment is awful for scum hunting. There's little to no one making cases thus making it harder to get the ball rolling and if a case is made rejects just go no your wrong with out saying why which is making it even more toxic for town since no ones willing to push them for it. The post that are made are small. People just switch votes with out explaining themselves and I'm we have plenty of lurkers.

[Garmr]

I could hammer right now!

eww

Since when calling for hammer page 1 garnered town points?

I could hammer right now!

^ This is not a call for a hammer.
This is going "I

could

hammer. Look at me not hammering.
I can haz town points?"

Which is yuck.

That's not what I was implying at all. I was merely joking around on P1.

Turns out that the punchline is your insinuation that hammering there would be optimal scumplay.

Ari didn't insuate that

I didn't have anything to contribute at the time, no. And the situation now isn't too dissimilar. My reads are simply that I definitively disagree with all of the reads so far presented, except maybe Garmr's. On that note VOTE: Skullmaster4

Awful vote and very vague discussion of reads

Why aren't you voting Ari, then?

Yeah, Dwlee's been irritating me pretty badly thus far. I didn't make the leap that it was because he was scum, which was indicative of apathy on my part more than anything.

VOTE: Dwlee99

oppurtunism

There is no specific post that ticked me off about Dwlee. His entire demeanour is annoying as hell, but in a deflective and paranoid way. Just look at this page. What is this desperation for? Why is lynching me regardless of whether I talk or not so urgent with so much time left in the day?

Also, just to point out, Johnny has wagon-hopped much more than I have and with literally no reason each time. So if that's why anyone is voting me/planning to then I'd like you to at least consider that.

The second part is "I know I haven't mentioned johnny at all this game but you know I think he is actually scummy so yea bye"

boom I made a case. You happy now, garmr? Will you actually vote scum now?

Would be better in detail why a scum ria would do those actions but i get the gist of your case. I hesitant to sorting out ria at the moment. Not because of ria actions (I do agree on some of your points or at least how I interrupted it.) not because of the people voting ria. But because of the people defending the it's a joke. It's a incredibly odd thing to say nether the list and it wasn't clear if it was or not. It does come off as it wasn't through if your reading it. The thing seems off and I'm guessing scum are preparing for a bus/mislynch at this very point making it a vital stage day 1. I'm trying to work it out and trying to connect the dots on what could be possible happening and which scenario is more likely. I would like more people to place there words and thoughts down more through.

[Garmr]

never the least man i'm half dead and tired.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: dwlee

Don't know if I was right or wrong about dwlee but here's my thoughts on current events.

I see the case on Ria and I do agree with it to some extent i'm apathetic towards him. I don't care if he lives or dies today.

What does peak my interest through is the people reacting to ria. Especially the joke bit which to me wasn't clear as a joke.

Another event is people trying to build town blocks forcefully no that's not what you do you let them build naturally when you mutually town read each other you don't try to force them. Other than that town blocks are ok but it seems everyone and there uncle is trying to form or get in one.

Also what is up with these forced johnny town reads that pop up every once in a while. He post superficial shit you should be null or scum reading him at most depending on your outlook on things.

I am hopping this game picks up day 2 because day 1 was a horrible start.

[Garmr]

hoping

[Garmr]

I only feel confident that two people are town this game no matter what and that's Insanity and Nosferatu.

[Garmr]

Why are you taking dwlee rolepm thing so seriously ari it seems so fake and artificial to even show concern over something so small.

You can basically sum up SRMP and dwlee argument as I know you are but what i'm I sort of thing. Yet your so serious about it.

[Garmr]

@insanity- you're never going to win this "insanity v. lowell" battle you're trying to set up. doesn't matter how my text-walls you build. no one's going to buy it. might as well quit while you're behind.

^ This is also an attempt to dissuade me from scumreading him, without addressing any of the reasoning for the scumread.

I only feel confident that two people are town this game no matter what and that's Insanity and Nosferatu.

I'm glad because you and Nosferatu are my stronger townreads as well.

Why are you taking dwlee rolepm thing so seriously ari it seems so fake and artificial to even show concern over something so small.

Completely agree with this. I don't believe anyone was going to think that Dwlee's role PM was a good argument. Aristophanes is just adding more 'worthless filler' by arguing about it. Also for someone who is so concerned about Dwlee posting 'worthless filler', Aristophanes posts quite a lot of fluffy filler himself

His acting all buddy buddy with johnny as well if you read through all his posts and pretty much been supporting and seems like trying to defuse things anytime johny seems under fire.

I think that is a misrep. Skull just knows me.

I'm just assuming Skull's a newbie and he's being friendly with Dwee because he's a friendly face.

You two are literally saying the same thing. This is dumb.

Watching people not understand Johnny is always amusing
This isn't out of the ordinary though and he is, I guess, a slight mafia Hipster.

Johnny, you asked if I thought Rica's post was serious a d though I don't buy that they would hammer then, as it is undead for either alignment, I thing hinting at his ability to has some indication of alignment and it gives me bad feels.

Garmr, who is generally townread right now and how is Johnny smearing their respective images?
Because it's page, what 5?
I don't think generally accepted townreads are a thing yet.

So I've worked 36 of the past 48 hours so you'll forgive me for being curt but can we talk about this fucking post for a second?

Scum consists mostly of the players not currently posting.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

Seems to me like he's realised he can no longer fluff his way through the game and has gone quiet.

First, work prevented me from posting. Eat it. Ari can tell you I am IN NO WAY scared of fluff posting my way into

getting lynched

the end of the game.

Second, and way more importantly, your gameplan is seriously to townread all active players? Because how could you possibly think that? List all active players and why they're town.

I'll read everything else after a good night's sleep. Peace.

I can indeed attest to this fact.
It's part of what makes playing with Johnny frustratingly fun!

He does raise a good point on your use of activity to garner reads though.

God it doesn't even end with supporting he seems to be buttering him as well.

Johnny!
Wonderful to play with you again!

RHOUGHTS ON Dwlee's responses to the wagon?

Also, totally using "Rica" Johnny.
I like it!

I did stop for a second and think these two might be masons but this post disproves it.

@Garmr if you're gonna try to make me look scummy the least you could do is vote me. Couple things you seem to be confused about: One, my like and dislike of people has nothing to do with their alignment.

I like Ari a lot (I know him well outside of Mafia) but he's maybe one of the most suspicious people right now.

Two: My townread comment was not a complaint, in fact I said it would make the game interesting further down the line. Also I'm not in the habit of explaining my townreads unless people ask because I don't want to give scum a reason to

kill

my townreads, got a problem with that?

Because of his behavior around johnny is most likely buddying I want ari dead.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Garmr]

I've played with Johnny many,many times are we are good friends.
I always act a little less serious and joke around a bit more when he's in the game.

Dwlee, I meant my comment as a one-off statement. I went into it because you pursued it. I dislike that argument from anyone at any time, I merely explained the reason this time.

Garmr, believe it or not, that was my being friendly, not me buddying.

Being friendly is one thing defending him constantly and mixing those two doesn't look good to

[Garmr]

The others were a example of buddying

[Garmr]

Hi ffery!

The others were a example of buddying

Kay. I accept that it possibly comes from Johnny and Aristo knowing each other IRL.

Johnny's post makes me lean town. I don't think Garmr is insinuating you are scum though. From my understanding, he just thinks that some people have a very fishy basis for townreading you and in the case of Aristophanes, Garmr thinks that he is buddying you.

Preferred lynch: Lowell
Would also support lynching: SRMP, Aristophanes

Ricastle's posts are not great but I am not really seeing his actions as scum motivated. He currently feels like a lazy townie.

My read on johnny was on the scum side before but it's kind been drifting in and out of null. When I was isoing and focusing on ari it hit me that his behavior looked a lot like that and ari became the most suspicious.

[Garmr]

Also Dwee look at Gar from a non-Johnny-who-is-mad-at-him standpoint, does his attitude toward me look weird? I fear the anger may be coloring my perception

Why would you feel anger towards me. Your skins pretty thin then and you may want to get that check because I haven't said anything insulting.

[Garmr]

Also what is up with these forced johnny town reads that pop up every once in a while. He post superficial shit you should be null or scum reading him at most depending on your outlook on things.

Have any of you ever read the guide to the perfect scum game? Because this is almost a direct example of one of the strategies. Constantly attack a town player without actually committing to vote him or put him in any real danger of being lynched, everyone lets you be because you look like you have stances. Put your money where your mouth is Gar.

@insanity- you're never going to win this "insanity v. lowell" battle you're trying to set up. doesn't matter how my text-walls you build. no one's going to buy it. might as well quit while you're behind.

this right here doesn't sit right with me.

UNVOTE: Ricastle

Nossy why you unvote?

Boom Ari wagon out of nowhere. Let's take a look shall we?

Because of his behavior around johnny is most likely buddying I want ari dead.

What in the fuck does this even mean? Why do you still insist on voting anyone but me while continuing to insinuate I'm scum?

VOTE: Ari
I dig. The reaction to my comment was weird af as well.

As someone who's lynched Ari day 1 many times, this is one of the worst votes I've seen on him. You're voting him for the way he talks. He talks like this all the time.


IN SUMMATION this game took a turn for the stupid since I've been gone.

first I'm not attacking the townie scum strategy as you pull it because 1 I'm not scum and two you don't have the support to get a lynch through on you today. Also I'm kinda waffling at the moment.

also don't like how you pretty much chop most off my post up and just focus on the vote to go wtf dude. If your town that's shit if your scum continue doing what your doing you'll slip up doing that.

Also buddying,misrepresenting and fluff(normally it's fluff all game with no content at all.) is dependent on the player and if you think they don't happen out of newbie games then you need more experience.

[Garmr]

Can die he did tick the defend ria hammer thing as a obvious joke post. He also then goes on to scum read ria with no explanation. Then says the case on ria is destroyed????


His other post are meh.

[Garmr]

first I'm not attacking the townie scum strategy as you pull it because 1 I'm not scum and two you don't have the support to get a lynch through on you today. Also I'm kinda waffling at the moment.

Props for admitting to waffling

also don't like how you pretty much chop most off my post up and just focus on the vote to go wtf dude. If your town that's shit if your scum continue doing what your doing you'll slip up doing that.

1. Big quotes are ugly to look at
2. The only thing I cared about was the vote. If you like I can come up with something sarcastic to say to every point you make from now on, though.

Also buddying,misrepresenting and fluff(normally it's fluff all game with no content at all.) is dependent on the player and if you think they don't happen out of newbie games then you need more experience.

I'm saying those things are only

used in building a read on players

in newbie games because experienced players tend to find more intelligent reasons to read someone.

P-edit: ugh what about any of that is scummy? That looks like you're a) saying people who disagree with you are scum, b) saying naked votes are scummy and c) being bad is scummy. All of which I disagree with.

lets start with the pedit

The difference between that is that and the former is the former is scum behaviors while the latter is just behaviors of town. The opposite is usually true with being bad it's normally a town thing scum are normally in the middle or really good with there fake reads. It's rare to see scum attack everyone. With the former you can mistake town as doing these things that's why you have to look for them doing it consistently and other scummy behaviors mixed in. No one thing makes someone one scum just everything all together.

Tbh it doesn't matter what's in the scum read only if it's scummy behavior. Also look at the players in the game a lot of them are newer with a lot of inactive with out heaps of content being posted you are not going to find much out of the basics. After a couple of flips through things will change

1. Was to show the point you ignored the point of the reasoning (his passive defense of you and buddying nature seems scum motivated.)
2.If the only thing you cared about and not the vote you will miss the details.

[Garmr]

I can't tell if I'm just too tired to understand that or if it's genuinely hard to read, but either way I'll look at it tomorrow

It's simple

Buddying, misrepping, fluff, Fluffing in particular If used in the context say to dodge posting content say like "this guy was fluffing all the time and has not content" Or "she has a habit of fluffing as scum to find time to think on who to vote."so it will never stop being used.

That looks like you're a) saying people who disagree with you are scum, b) saying naked votes are scummy and c) being bad is scummy.

These three different scenarios are different to the three presented above. I could even argue that being bad actually is more a townie thing. These are reading town as scum for doing town/null things. Unless your talking about the ria/srmp then I will put it simply

SRMP

It was not obvious that the hammer thing was just a joke as others have misunderstood/caught on depending if ria is scum. Thus shrmp saying it was obvious and arguing comes off to trying to push people off ria this show especially 292 when he tries to debunk all of dwlee post. when you combine it with this post.

I don't like the way he is awkwardly defending Ricastle

why are you assuming im defending him? Why dont you assume that i think the case shown is bad but I still think ricastle is scum?

He want to cling on to the scum read even through he is actually defending ricastle. That's seems really weird to do. I don't think there is any town incentive to do this.

A scum incentive is to keep the lynch open if he want to go down this route latter. If his scum and ria scum it could be an attempt to stop a partner from being lynched. If ria is town he may be keeping his options open if he can't push through a lynch on another townie and if the lynch doesn't go through he could be aiming to nab some better lynching positioning so he can set up a mislynch tomorrow by saying he was right about that and pushing a lynch on someone who was pushing ria for that reasoning.

I can't think of town scenarios were someone would defend someone with out letting them answer for themselves just to say they might lynch them latter.

Also my ari case is simple.

His passive defense of you while being all friendly is him trying to get in your good books.

Look at his voting habits they are just rica and insanity and he is always on the one which is picking up steam when he jumps off onto insanity at post 177 the rica wagon is dying yet the insanity wagon is growing. He stay on the wagon till it deflates and jump on rica again. Then this is not shown in the vote counts but ria had johnny,dwlee,nof and the votes on insanity were declining so he jumped back on rica.

What does that add up to well when you consider what I post next then it will make sense

Ari is scum in a comfortable postion his got two wagons that seem to always garner support support. His reads are not dynamic. Seriously look on them in his 36 posts then ask what has he done to change/update them. Nothing

Reasoning

His reasons for thinking insanity/rica as scum.

Have not updated since initial release

his town read on johnny

still remains and it's because of johnny's confidence. Yet he knows johnny inrl and has played many games with him. I think he can come up with a better reason to town read him.

His town read on dwlee

after initial reason was given he continues to push the town read.

Lowell

I guess lowell is a town read he hasn't really laid down a commitment but his praised lowell a couple of times.

Everything is static.

Has he attempted to look around at other possibilities for scum no he hasn't

So the conclusion from that is ari is scum at ease keeping his reads static while minimizing his thoughts on people trying not to make much of a impact. His reads list shows no signs of development after he hit his comfort zone. This shows his happy with the scenarios that are playing out as well and doesn't want to change them.

[Garmr]

Vote Count 1.8

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ricastle, Some Random Mafia Player

hasta_la_pasta [1]:

Number_0ne

insanity018 [1]:

Lowell

JohnnyFarrar [2]:

Ricastle, Skullmaster4

Lowell [2]:

hasta_la_pasta, insanity018

Ricastle [2]:

Aristophanes, JohnnyFarrar

Aristophanes [2]:

Garmr, Dwlee99

Not Voting [2]

: DrCirno, Nosferatu

7 Votes are required to obtain a lynch. 7 votes are also required to obtain a no-lynch prior to deadline.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2016-02-20 12:00:00)

Greetings from your backup mod!

I think you made a mistake with riacastle vote. His on there twice. I have noticed the vote count forgets to move votes over.

[Garmr]

Dwlee but the ari wagon

[Garmr]

@Garmr: do you have reads on insanity & lowell?

Town for insanity and keeping track of lowell trying to find something will nudge him out of null.

[Garmr]

I'll lay down my vote on smrp if my ari wagon doesn't pick up.

[Garmr]

VOTE: smrp

[Garmr]

this game kinda stopped when approaching lynch.

[Garmr]

^
Vote smrp naow.

It doesnt even matter the apathy in this game is too much for stalling day.

Already voted smrp

[Garmr]

UNVOTE:

I wasn't actually serious about my vote. I just wanted to get a bit more discussion going and pressure doesn't occur when people are sitting around with 2 votes and just saying "oh that guy looks scummy".

I think SRMP's town because there'd be more resistance to the lynch if he was mafia. Also, I don't really trust some of the other people on the wagon.

SRMP, I want to hear your scumreads.

VOTE: Ricastle <- better choice for lynch, although I would still love a Hasta lynch


Hasta:
I still think you're scum. But it doesn't seem that anyone else agrees with me enough to vote you, so I'll go after other scum instead. Could you respond to 382?

If we end up no lynching because of you I'm voting you tommorow.

[Garmr]

We're not gonna no lynch, geniuses.

I don't really see the benefit of lynching Som right now as he hasn't done anything that can't be explained as him being an overzealous newer town player, and judging by the post count he's racked up in a little over a month's time I'd say that's more than likely the case.

Rica on the other hand made one actual attack this game and then unvoted the instant there was pushback

As scum I have managed to force a no lynch day 1 before letting my scum buddy live another day.

[Garmr]

Good for you. Still not gonna happen

Hopefully not this game but tip to the wise always be prepared for idiots (normally town) who don't place down a vote and you lose the game because of it.

[Garmr]

Gar this game's too active for that is what I'm saying.

Hasta vote Rica. Let's get a wagon up that I actually believe in.

The game that happened was when my scum partner claimed scum and told everyone else who the other scum partner was. Still was no lynch on the first day.

[Garmr]

If we end up no lynching because of you I'm voting you tommorow.

More discouraging of discussion. Personally I've never seen a NL due to lack of majority on this site.

You must be lucky then because I have experienced it like 2 times in the past 5 games

[Garmr]

awesome one more to hammer.

[Garmr]

There's more than 24 hours remaining, this is an active thread and there are major wagons (which majority of people are voting on).

This means you're worrying too much

I have been burned to many times with no lynches not to worry tbh.

[Garmr]

If he flips town and you spend the next day phase "reevaluating your reads" I'm going to be soooooo salty

Your supposed to do that even after a scum flip.

[Garmr]

In before lock

[Garmr]

Insanity was obviously town, not a lot to gain from her ISO except taking whatever she said to heart now that we know for a fact she was town.

Speaking of ISO, I did some reading on a few people last night and here's what I've come up with:

I won't be voting Gar. He's town, he's just bad at it.

Ari's flip will give us a load of information regardless of alignment. If day one's wagons were town v. town or town v. scum, seeing which way people fall in those arguments is really telling.

Dwee's good will has run out for me, will decide what I think of him soon. @Dwee what didn't you like about Ari's reaction to the wagon?

Also DID DROOG JUST CAPITALIZE?

Dude even through I was wrong about srmp so were other people. But on the flip side I was right about insanity and guess what insanity wasn't obvious town to others because a one point she was the biggest wagon. I personally think your bad at town (I'm going to assume your town) as well because it was pretty obvious I was town even with out you fucking up and being obvious.

[Garmr]

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

My reactions being over the top make the game fun. I will admit I do put on a bit more show for a game because It's interesting. I am just hoping scum are dumb so my feeling of being annoyed dissipate because I was obvious town to everyone else that actually has a brain and it's such a waste. That's what makes johnny a bad town.


Btw ari two more posts.

[Garmr]

My thought process was this. Insanity wasn't at the top of my town read list so when Johnny says she was obviously town - and thus the obvious choice for a scum - kill it pinged me.

It's possible Johnny is scum I'm just worried about if his not because I got a mixed message from that post.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Ari

Was going to hold this off for a bit to see his reactions but nah I'm voting this What we should of done yesterday.

[Garmr]

Johnny and garmr you think each other are town right?

Depends if what I'm thinking is right and johnny really is incompetent.

[Garmr]

Gar is town. Just dumb. (And one of us spent the last 5 days pushing a mislynch so who's the incompetent one?)

Also people are ignoring that all his posts are pretty much empty.

That's not true at all.... They have Kpop gifs

P-edit: ooooh I like that one
VOTE: insanity

Meh to be honest I was pushing for a lynch before the time limit if the ari wagon picked up I would of jumped on to that over tbh it's day 1 as long I didn't mislynch a town power role I don't care about a mislynch to much. Also I have actually had enough games to have a decent record At finding scum as town. Sometimes I nail all the scum day 1 sometimes none at all but mostly I nail a decent amount over the game. If you think one wrong read = incompetence then you got a lot to learn.

I'm completely aware of how you came to town read me when nothing else has changed you make it so obvious and that's what pisses me off doesn't really effect me through I can be a dick through as town since I'm in a pretty good position right now.

[Garmr]

I've played with enough terrible townies in my time to know a lost cause so we'll just end it here. Where's your vote, Gar?

I feel the same about you you think to much of yourself when in fact you haven't nailed scum this game either you were wrong about me and insanity. My vote is on ari btw.

[Garmr]

Why is your vote in Ari?

I seriously don't know why you are bothering asking these things you know I'm town but if it wasn't obvious (or maybe you don't fucking remember shit) A majority of it is to do with yesterday he was was my preferred lynch but I could already see he wouldn't get the support yesterday from reading the flow of the game. People like you would of made that hard.

[Garmr]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

I never said I can't be wrong I just said it's fucking stupid to dismiss someone because they were on one mislynch (day 1). Also the reasoning why Ari is scum isn't so simple but I will try Chief Wiggum (Is that character dumb enough)


Let see his voting habits are always on people when they pick up steam.

His stayed on the same two people since the start of the game.

His reads on those two people or others haven't evolved. He had like 3 town reads for like the whole day.

He made no attempt to try and read smrp even through it was a major wagon.

He hasn't really pushed his case on either of his supposed scum reads he just lets things go naturally.

His buddy attitude with a passive defense(not really dispelling any reason why you were scum just going oh that's johnnnyyy.) together lean to a scum motivation isntead of a town one.

You can see how he react when his omfortable he didn't take initiative.

447 goes in depth with the above points lets go to day 2.


672 his instanly trying to push that the scum kill was set up to set wifom on him that's not the reason people were scum reading him. I feel like he was trying to use it to push wifom on his slot in an attempt to throw off reads.

697
So it's day 2 he has a chance to commit to a scum read lets see what happens.

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

So with all this text does he commit to a read no he hasn't what that tells me when combined with his earlier post? He expects to be lynched today and his trying to minimize information. I don't think town would do that do you?

[Garmr]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

I never said I can't be wrong I just said it's fucking stupid to dismiss someone because they were on one mislynch (day 1). Also the reasoning why Ari is scum isn't so simple but I will try Chief Wiggum (Is that character dumb enough)

If I were dismissing you I wouldn't be asking you reasons for things. Keep up.

Yes you are dismissive your entire response proves that. Also saying shit like bad town ect when you haven't proved yourself any better fuck I am town read by the majority here and you wasted that on me seriously and was so obvious about it seriously learn to play your not making it through tonight lol.

Let see his voting habits are always on people when they pick up steam.

I know right? Like when he voted Rica? Or when he never jumped on the Shrimp wagon?

But the two wagons he did vote did pick up steam and he shifted between them depending on which one had the most steam also he was offering to hammer srmp (now that I read it he makes remarks how smrp looks scummy but never votes him and keeps in the back pocket never posting a case on it.)

His stayed on the same two people since the start of the game.

So have I. Having few scumreads is scummy?

Yes it is when you make no effort to push these scum reads a bunch of the stuff he said is just asking questions and never doing anything with the anwsers.

His reads on those two people or others haven't evolved. He had like 3 town reads for like the whole day.

How should those reads have evolved?

Is someone who disagrees with you scummy?

Wow way to be a scrub I can tell you are a lost cause that's not what i'm saying at all. I am saying he adds nothing new to his case (he has no case at all.)

He made no attempt to try and read smrp even through it was a major wagon.

He was also just not posting, so are you scumreading him for lurking?

After rereading I saw that he posted a artificial read on smrp making that point null but raising a new issue. Also why are you trying to find excuses for ari I think your letting your friendship get in the way of actually reading him for how is scum. Look your answer here has nothing to do with the original question (it's like you lack the ability to play mafia.) If you went and looked You would of brought up the artificial read he had. Instead you twisted my reasoning into something else. but I will scratch this point.

He hasn't really pushed his case on either of his supposed scum reads he just lets things go naturally.

He pushed insanity fine enough.

Do you have Alzheimer's? no he didn't He sheeped you originally HE MADE NO FUCKING CASE AT ALL

Spoiler: all his post on insanity

Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks Dwylee.

Sheep: Johnny

I mean,
VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Aristophanes

Why do you have to specify that you're sheeping Johnny? Why can't you just vote like everyone else?

How could you not after that gif?

See, Johnny gets it.

And I sheeped him because the other votes sucked.

Town block right now is aristo, skull and dr circno.

Not sure where I want to vote rn, what about you, aristo? Where you feeling the scum are?

Ricastle and Insanity both strike me as odd thus far. That's where I'd like to start.

VOTE: Ricastle

Yeah, I'm good with this for sure
VOTE: insanity

Their only content post is the one Lowell pointed out as bad, and I agree with his assertions about it.

@Insanity,
It's called D1 apathy.
I get it a lot on this forum as I'm still more accustomed to shorter days from my old forums.

When D1 lasts 2 weeks I start to lose interest. It usually returns once we have a lynch or two under our belts.

He makes so much case doesn't he johnny !!!!!

His buddy attitude with a passive defense(not really dispelling any reason why you were scum just going oh that's johnnnyyy.) together lean to a scum motivation isntead of a town one.

Why is acting friendly with a friend scummy?

The point is he fucking passively defending you because if he really did town read you he would have committal doing it and actually argue the point that were used against you he did not thus it comes off as a cheesy attempt to gain your favor. When you combine that with his attitude towards it shows your buddy like fuck and I doubt anything I can say will change your mind.

You can see how he react when his comfortable he didn't take initiative.

Some people don't take initiative. Deal with it.

yeh but is that ari? Don't you think with all his post he might want to you know contribute something. Also what town reasoning does he not want to contribute? You are just defending him becuase you have confirmation bias.

672 his instanly trying to push that the scum kill was set up to set wifom on him that's not the reason people were scum reading him. I feel like he was trying to use it to push wifom on his slot in an attempt to throw off reads.

Not an unreasonable thing to think

His saying this unprompted no one even said that about him and what you said doesn't even discredit that fact. Seriously can't you respond with better points your conf bias is showing?

697
So it's day 2 he has a chance to commit to a scum read lets see what happens.

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

So with all this text does he commit to a read no he hasn't what that tells me when combined with his earlier post? He expects to be lynched today and his trying to minimize information. I don't think town would do that do you?

You have written this narrative. He might be scum, sure, but this minimizing information thing is something you've made up. He asked a bunch of questions! What more do you want from him aside from a game breaking case (which spoiler: none of us have, it's day two and nothing but townies are dead.)

Let me that question I want committal I want stances I want him to show his actually thinking who's scum and who's not.. He shows none of that. Also are you a fucking scrub tell me if ari flipped scum after reading ari's post who would you label as his scum partner? That's what I meant by limiting information. Also any scum bozo can ask questions what has he done with those questions? Nothing he has done nothing his reads didn't update he doesn't show what he thinks of the answers nothing. That's fucking scummy man.

[Garmr]

The mistake you seem to be making is assuming people should be more confident than they are, it's fine you'll learn that with time. Also there seems to be a language barrier here because a couple things you said confuse me. 1. What did I waste? 2. I've clearly stated on multiple occasions I find Ari scummy just don't like the reasons people have for voting him 3. Pushing is not the same as "making a case" as "cases" on day one are usually filled with half reasons and bullshit. 4. (This one's my fault for being vague) I was actually agreeing with you when I said "Not an unreasonable thought"

If Ari was keeping a vote for Shrimp in his back pocket why wouldn't he have pulled it out when Ari ended up being the counterwagon?

If Ari flipped scum I'd look at the talk surrounding his wagon day one and the people talking (and not talking) about him today? There's plenty of information.

There's no language barrier I was just being convert about about it but you going to ask anyway.

1.Your power role is what you wasted. It's obvious your shift from garmr looks suspicious to garmrs just stupid town has something to do with a power role and people don't want to say it because they are hoping scum is dumb enough not to picked it up which I doubt. You could of used it better since anyone else wouldn't of used it on me or you could be at least subtle about it by like waiting half the day and faking a reason to town read me and dropping a hint in there. You just sentenced me to death by a night kill after you die and I was enjoying working out this game out. That's why I'm so frustrated you of dropped your results in such a better way.


2. You have a great way of showing it your just getting in the way of ari and defending him as hard as possible you are basically killing his wagon. What do you find him scummy for btw?

3.yes cases are normally full of bullshit but what exactly did he push asking a question is not pushing either since he never followed up that's a scum tactic to make it appear like you are doing something when you are not. None of his post look like his trying to work out the game it's like knows what's up and his trying to avoid being caught in the spot light.

4. ok then.

[Garmr]

I didnt pick up on it, scum could have missed it ;-; Wekp rip the people in my town blockerino.
VOTE: Ari

With at least 3 scum the chances are pretty low that all of them will miss it.

[Garmr]

Garmr that you would think me simple enough to badly crumb a PR is one thing, but to then

call it out

and paint a huge target on a potential PR's back is one of the worst things you can do in this game. Never,

ever

point out what you think is a PR like that ever again. I almost wonder if you're scum justifying killing me tonight based on that shit. Jesus.

So I guess we're done discussing Ari then? He's here and talking but y'all don't even want to engage. Do we just end the day now? I'll hammer if talking about your reads is too much?

Well if you don't have a positive on me what changed your mind (ps if your scum) from omg his so suspicious to don't worry guys his just bad town. It's really suspicious that you have done a total 180.

Also why would I have to justify a night kill if I can just do it on you covertly?

Also his here but his done nothing town his not produced a read and his making a ton of excuses.

[Garmr]

I'm making excuses?
I asked wurstiokd and want answers.


But whatever you want me to he scum, so I always will be yo you.

Who the hell is wurstiokd? If your talking about the questions you asked dwlee you did nothing with them hell all your questions that you ever asked saw no fruits. You have literally layed down no cases of your own.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: Ari
I'm not comfortable with the wagon.

dwlee I'm not taking my vote off ari.

[Garmr]

So he claimed vt your going to back off weak dwlee.

[Garmr]

I really don't like that Gar is now bullying Dwee rather than asking him, a presumed town read, why he may be having doubts

I don't give a fuck what you think I want ari dead.

So Ari is scummy to me because of things y'all have no reason to follow, Persy. He's not usually as passive at the start of a game, but you don't know that. Usually he wouldn't lurk through a mislynch and then fail to mention it after the fact, but again you wouldn't know that. I haven't seen any reason for anyone who isn't me to lynch ari yet, so the fact that y'all are ready to lynch him as though yesterday never happened and we weren't short 2 townies is fucking baffling to me. I also don't like that I'm the only one stepping up to stop a criminally short and unproductive day 2 from happening.

It's not like you are the only one who's played with ari before. I fucking called him out for being passive and happy with his position and you tried to refute that wtf is wrong with you.

[Garmr]

Also why are you saying everyone has shit reasoning but you even through your reasoning was already mentioned. That's fucking pathetic. Also one mislynch isn't a big deal because it was day 1 I expect there is probably going to be a mislynch every mafia game yet you are acting like it's the end of the fucking world.

[Garmr]

Usually he wouldn't lurk through a mislynch and then fail to mention it after the fact, but again you wouldn't know that. I haven't seen any reason for anyone who isn't me to lynch ari yet,

Again going to express how annoyed at how pathetic you are at this. Not only was that reasoning basically said you have the balls to try (and fail hard) to discount everyone else's reasoning no matter how valid it is. With you complaining about how amateurish things are yesterday and comparing to a newbie game you have just fucking shown you are sloppy no matter alignment yet you actually think and act you're the bee's knees.

[Garmr]

Usually he wouldn't lurk through a mislynch and then fail to mention it after the fact, but again you wouldn't know that. I haven't seen any reason for anyone who isn't me to lynch ari yet,

Again going to express how annoyed at how pathetic you are at this. Not only was that reasoning basically said you have the balls to try (and fail hard) to discount everyone else's reasoning no matter how valid it is. With you complaining about how amateurish things are yesterday and comparing to a newbie game you have just fucking shown you are sloppy no matter alignment yet you actually think and act like you're the bee's knees.

[Garmr]

It's l-2 since you hopped off I think.

[Garmr]

I get that it's early in phase for a lynch, but Ari just rubs me the wrong way with every single post.

Garmr, are you still convinced on Ari?

yes especially after this.

Ari, hypothetically, if you were to survive today and you were scum, who would you pick to night kill?

Thanks a weird question, but I like theoreticals.

Probably Garmr.
He has a lot of weight and is throwing it around. I've always been a fan of getting rid of vocal town as scum. It both let's you hide easier as it kills a lot of conversation and gets the inquisitive minds out of the game.

also now I suspect hasta as well.

[Garmr]

Gar my experience with Ari trumps yours, don't even front.

droog where's your vote and why are you so hands off?

I'm at a point in this game where every time anyone says a thing I agree with I get paranoid

Yeh but so what your still scum reading him just like me and you are trying to defend. Get on your bike. My point is people have had experience with ari and have opinions on him. This is "where you are like you guys are all wrong but I think the same thing for the right reason." No go duck yourself i'm sick of putting up with your egotistical attitude.

[Garmr]

Ducking myself brb

you better make it quack.

[Garmr]

Apparently some people don't understand what intent means.

VOTE: Rica

For reasons from yesterday and bad play today - basically just a naked vote on Ari.

It could be a bus on a scum buddy.

[Garmr]

But srs you seem so supremely confident that no one can argue with you. Have you been right enough in other games to justify this?

Can I ask why are you even arguing with me in the first place. We both agree that his scum my points aren't invalid even if you don't agree with some of them there are some that are similar to your big reasons. You trying to say they don't count because I don't know him well enough but count for you is fucking stupid (talking about him being comfortable with the situation). You are trying to use meta as a example when meta isn't everything fuck you even agree with me that his scum.

What does arguing against someone who you think/know is town on common scum read accomplish nothing. That's right It accomplishes fucking nothing as town.

[Garmr]

We are lynching ari the reason he isn't hammered is because scum are looking for a way to save him.

[Garmr]

So who do you think is the scum trying to save him, garmr?

I have my theroies but I don't want to be to vocal about it till ari lynched (in the twilight phase) because I'm probably going to be killed this night phase anyway or I'll just write up near the end of the day.

Also dwlee you know how hard I will push for a lynch so you personally know ari is getting the lynch right.

[Garmr]

But it gives me so many bad vibes. I'm not confident in like any of my reads this game except for two. >.<

Paranoia is how scum win.

[Garmr]

So who do you think is the scum trying to save him, garmr?

I have my theroies but I don't want to be to vocal about it till ari lynched (in the twilight phase) because I'm probably going to be killed this night phase anyway or I'll just write up near the end of the day.

Also dwlee you know how hard I will push for a lynch so you personally know ari is getting the lynch right.

This post is disgusting. Not scummy, but disgusting.

Whatever I want to hold back my opinions to see how they develop I have reasoning for that.


Unless you are talking about the fact I want you dead and willing to do anything to get rid of scum like you deal with it.

[Garmr]

So who do you think is the scum trying to save him, garmr?

I have my theroies but I don't want to be to vocal about it till ari lynched (in the twilight phase) because I'm probably going to be killed this night phase anyway or I'll just write up near the end of the day.

Also dwlee you know how hard I will push for a lynch so you personally know ari is getting the lynch right.

This post is disgusting. Not scummy, but disgusting.

Whatever I want to hold back my opinions to see how they develop I have reasoning for that.


Unless you are talking about the fact I want you dead and willing to do anything to get rid of scum like you deal with it.

It's disgusting because you would rather strong-arm a lynch through, and believe you have both the power and the right to, rather than reconsider that you might be wrong.

That last line to Dwlee is abhorrent play and a bad attitude.

Lol I'm not using violence or forcing anyone to do anything I'm trying my best to lynch scum aka you. I'm pretty persuasive when it comes to things and unlike what happened with me and frozen angel I will not back off I'm not making the same mistake twice and letting scum live to win the game.

[Garmr]

Also I have considered on the off chance that you are town and I think it's unlikely. But lets pander to you and lets consider your actions. What will we have we really lost? A vanilla (or so you claim) townie who doesn't contribute anything to the game who uses a weak reason like apathy. Only when forced to L-1 and in danger of a lynch does he show any signs of contributing. So tell me what do we lose from my perspective?


I still think you are scum so take it as a compliment.

[Garmr]

well look how fast hat counter wagon was made as soon it was a option wow.

[Garmr]

I am just going to vote park on ari for the rest of the game now I don't give two fucks about this game and player base anymore. No ones putting in effort even when I do so what's the point of presenting cases anymore that's just how I feel about this game.


In fact I would prefer if rc was in this game.

[Garmr]

well does anyone have any opposition to a riacastle lynch?

I don't care personally if he lives or dies i just want scum ari dead.

[Garmr]

id be willing to lynch rica
had a minor scumlean yest
ill take a look at what he said today
but is there a reason we moved off ari?

Nope none at all we had people willing to hammer as well latter on and everyone was scum reading him.

Starting to think dwlee is scum.

[Garmr]

Who is scum on the counter wagon?

@Garmr

At the moment I think you.

You were saying stuff like

I actually just looked back at the game I played with ari where they were mislynched and they are reacting differently. I don't have as many reservations anymore.

then you went to

Every wagon this game has given me bad vibes. :I

So you were pretty certain then changed your mind when the wagon was staring to crumble being the vote that pushed rica ahead.

VOTE: Rica

:I

But you show no signs of rica being scum despite how quickly that picked up.

[Garmr]

I'm going to hammer

[Garmr]

Oh come on everyone gets parinoinds when dwlees close to hammer yet when ria close to hammer everyone's fine.

[Garmr]

Jhonny was pretty shit tbh such a waste.

[Garmr]

Welp, I guess Garmr is town probably then.

Why the fuck did you call him out on that!
Such atrocious play.

Because if you are town. You and Johnny have been fucking horrible this game. Johnny should learn to hide his results better his a pathetic noob.

[Garmr]

Well judging from the fact I'm dying next because of Johnny's inability may as well declare my results as town tracker bet no one saw that coming. Night 1 Lowel no action night 2 ari no action.

[Garmr]

I don't think anyone is trying to belittle me this game except johnñy and ari. Johnny is dead and flipped town seriously antihero should of took johnñy spot day 1 john is a village idiot.
Ari is still scum
VOTE: ari

The fact ari was so hard to hammer while all the town players went through easy + the fact his scummy as fuck for reasons of day 1 and 2 should make it obvious.

[Garmr]

I don't think anyone is trying to belittle me this game except johnñy and ari. Johnny is dead and flipped town seriously antihero should of took johnñy spot day 1 john is a village idiot.
Ari is still scum
VOTE: ari

The fact ari was so hard to hammer while all the town players went through easy + the fact his scummy as fuck for reasons of day 1 and 2 should make it obvious.

Hahahahahahahahaha!
This post is funny on so many levels!

1) "Johnny was belittling me, that village idiot!" is just such a great sentiment. I hope you see the irony in it.
2) I don't believe I have belittled you. I defended Johnny, a townread. I called a bad play a bad play. None of that is belittling. If you mean my defences of Johnny and I, then I call it exactly that: a defence.
3) Please explain to me why my supposed scumteam would fight so hard to keep me alive if I were going to just sit here and do nothing last night-phase, as your fucking role has confirmed! Why would they go through that much trouble for me?? I would love to see your logic here.
4) I realize my reads have been very off this game, as my scumteam picks from D1 have now all been killed and flipped town. However, I was not the only one to pick them. Why am I scummy for having had bad reads?

1.I see it but he was a vi
1.a he was obvious with his cop read.
1.b he defended his own scum read against a confirmed town.
1.c he intiated this bad town thing
1.d he was trying to rip down others reasoning even through his reasoning was pretty much the samething he was better off dead.

2. It's your tone but your right about 1 thing its not written like johnny

3.they dont want to bust this game because bussing seems to be looked down upon by the newer mafia scum gen but they might not of had enough town support

4.wasn't even something i said. My case from day 1 and 2 still stands.

[Garmr]

great this towns already lost.

[Garmr]

great this towns already lost.

Why, because we're not mindlessly sheeping you?

Because even through no one has a townread on you everyone is resitating it and it's impossible to lynch for no good reason thus town are retarded.

[Garmr]

Like you are so bullheadedly committed to lynching me that I don't think you even care my alignment anymore. You just want me dead.

You aren't scumhunting.
You aren't convincing anyone.
You are just in a deathtunnel going nowhere.

Get out of the damned tunnel and look around. Look at others and their cases.
Find someone to support!

If you want me lynched, maybe restate this case. But just saying "D1 & D2 case still stands" isn't going to get you any god damn support!

Ok ari lets think of it this way since you do make some sense.


Ari what I don't like is how everyone was gungho about your lynch then no even mentions it today. If you are town don't you find that strange.

Look at dwlee for example and his sudden shift off you because he was paranoid. Yet day 3 he hasn't even mentioned you looking scummy his completely gone off it. You would think with that town flip yesterday what are his only interactions/post about you today.

Welp, I guess Garmr is town probably then.

Why the fuck did you call him out on that!
Such atrocious play.

Nos can you make a really good case on number one? I know you can.

Can you not, Dwlee?

I want hasta dead though.

You can make multiple pushes at once.

If you believe both are scum, make cases on both!

Boo

You know what's funny through even through you remained a constant scum read ari my scum reads and town reads on other people are changing day by day. So even through my votes always on it's not like it's a true death tunnel I have paid attention to the outside world.

[Garmr]

I will admit that the shift off of me is weird. I think it's just because people got tired of this conversation and tired of trying to lynch me.

Dwlee, what

is

your current read of me?

Garmr, it's good that your views on others are shifting. That's actually great to hear! Would you mind posting some reads at some point, since you've claimed and may not make it through the night?

Hasta and Number one seem to be in the limelight at the moment, what is your stance on them?

Do you think Dwlee's shift off of me is scummy?

I think dwlee's shift was the scummiest also you have to consider that I think you are scum so that would reflect in my logic and reasoning.

What I find interesting through is dwlee where dwlee is normally in the cote counts.

Final Day 1Vote Count

Aristophanes [1]:

droog

Dwlee99 [1]:

Some Random Mafia Player

Lowell [1]:

hasta_la_pasta

Ricastle [3]:

Aristophanes,

JohnnyFarrar

, Number_0ne

Some Random Mafia Player [7]:

Dwlee

,

Garmr, insanity018,

Lowell, Nosferatu, Persivul,

Ricastle

< Hammer!

Not Voting [0]

:

Posting flip and death scenario in a bit.

Irony johnny mouthing off about not mislynching town here that aside. next one

Vote Count 2.3

Aristophanes [5]:

Ricastle,

Garmr

, Persivul, Lowell, Dwlee99

Ricastle [1]:

hasta_la_pasta

Not Voting [5]

: Aristophanes, Nosferatu, droog, JohnnyFarrar, Number_0e

6 Votes are required to obtain a lynch. 6 votes are also required to obtain a no-lynch prior to deadline.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2016-03-07 12:00:00)

Final Day 2 Vote Count

Aristophanes [2]:

Ricastle, Garmr

Ricastle [6]:

hasta_la_pasta, Aristophanes, Persivul, Dwlee99, Number_0ne, Lowell

< Lynch!

Not Voting [3]

: Nosferatu, droog,

JohnnyFarrar

From a vca I am willing to bet that scum would of been on your wagon ari and riacastle. We disagree about your alignment for obvious reasons but I think this a good indicator that at least one scum were on your wagon and changed for some reason. (I think it's because you are scum but you can argue the counter point because the wagon stalled both I have to admit are viable reasoning at this point if taken at face value but when you go indepth it points to the former.)


Dwlee's play has no reasoning early on but this is what strikes me as odd.

Town block right now is aristo, skull and dr circno.

Not sure where I want to vote rn, what about you, aristo? Where you feeling the scum are?

{Aristo, Garmr}
{Dr. Circno, Skull}
{Everyone not listed}
{

Ricastle

}
{Hasta}

He has hasta as the worst scum yet his vote is still on the townie aka the townie we just lynched. What seals the deal is the fact that he continuously scum reads hasta yet never votes him once during that day even when the riacastle wagon dies. In fact when I ask him to make a case for once he makes the case on riacastle. Then at the end of day 1 we get this post.

Dwlee, could you explain what happened to your stance on ric? Seems like it flipped right around 331

I was pushing ricastle. They explained why my reasons were shit. So I stopped scumreading them.

He admits his reasoning on them was bad and now he has a town read of them. But that begs the question why didn't he switch to hasta after since supposedly hasta was his worst scum read day 1 and after that he never mentions hasta again till today.

Gar is right.
Ari, Droog, Dwlee, Pers
The four of you are far from protown right now in chosing to belittleing a player that is supoosedly one of your own.

Lol

VOTE: Hasta

hmm k
VOTE: Number

That's a really short ammount of time to switch a vote. If he really wanted hasta dead he would of made a case like he did with rica.

hell even you pick up on that fact.

Nos can you make a really good case on number one? I know you can.

Can you not, Dwlee?

I want hasta dead though.

You can make multiple pushes at once.

If you believe both are scum, make cases on both!

Boo

This is him showing he won't make a case on hasta even through he supposedly want him dead. That's one of the things that jumps out to me.

[Garmr]

ari has a decent point
gar your play is pretty bad today
ari in his apathy was more productive than this

Go fuck yourself you been horrible all game.

[Garmr]

At least I laid down a vote day 2 droog you didn't vote at all which i consider that worse than anything I done today.

Oh come on everyone gets parinoinds when dwlees close to hammer yet when ria close to hammer everyone's fine.

backing like this
does not make you question willingness to hammer?

Inability to see that I wanted to see if it would have the same effect as eri.

fe

Such quality posting can ai also give a mcfuck with that.

[Garmr]

Persivul, what are you're thoughts on me?

Scummy. It wouldn't surprise me if you and Number 1 are both scum, and Number 1 was doing some distancing D1.

I'm willing to vote hasta over numbers

[Garmr]

3) gar is apparently weak
and blows up at the slightest provocation

"waaaah someone called me weak"

Waahh suck my McNuggets.

[Garmr]

Like seriously droog you can't even admit you can't even give a reason you on how you been useful or trying. Yet you feel free to be a hypocrite.

VOTE: Droog

[Garmr]

I believe that attack on my credibility was only after I started pushing on dwlee so it was scum motivated. I don't believe you are truly that mentally fucked up.

[Garmr]

o3o

What I'm saying is that scum droog being unable to lynch me is trying to discredit me with really bad posts like this.

ari has a decent point
gar your play is pretty bad today
ari in his apathy was more productive than this

^ lol

gr8 b8 m8 no d-b8 i r8 8/8 plz no h8

really a better case than anything gar said

This shows he wants me on a one mind focused track. Because he started posting this shit after I started to show signs of not focusing on ari. Because he wasn't even concerned with me before when he was posting day 3.


Also droog didn't vote any of the wagons day 2 despite showing suspicion on both. Meaning for one reason or another he didn't want to be on any of the wagons despite not minding any of the wagons being lynched.

That's because scum know they'll hear about it once I flip town.

I'd have been bussed already if I were scum.

so which scum are waffling?
who among those who have wanted to hammer you
but havent

(and i think thats at least me and number_one)
do you think is scum

I also don't like the fact he is using the fact in a way that implies that he is town with out saying it directly.


also would like to point this out.

broadly agree with gamrs case
against ari

in 447
will reconsider his smrp point

he and insanity both have reads there

Also my ari case is simple.

His passive defense of you while being all friendly is him trying to get in your good books.

Look at his voting habits they are just rica and insanity and he is always on the one which is picking up steam when he jumps off onto insanity at post 177 the rica wagon is dying yet the insanity wagon is growing. He stay on the wagon till it deflates and jump on rica again. Then this is not shown in the vote counts but ria had johnny,dwlee,nof and the votes on insanity were declining so he jumped back on rica.

What does that add up to well when you consider what I post next then it will make sense

Ari is scum in a comfortable postion his got two wagons that seem to always garner support support. His reads are not dynamic. Seriously look on them in his 36 posts then ask what has he done to change/update them. Nothing

idk about the rest of you
but im not voting ari because of apathy today
his yesterday was weak

He uses my reasoning to keep a scum read on ari but then today.

ari has a decent point
gar your play is pretty bad today
ari in his apathy was more productive than this

He quickly discards my reasoning on ari. Even through he has been constantly using it through out the game to keep a scum read on ari. He pretty knows why I wanted ari lynched. Nothing has changed none of my points on ari had been refuted in fact after yesterdays lynch he should be even more suspicious as to why ari survived. But what is he doing now his bagging my my entire reasoning and focus on ari. It's because it's not the popular opinion.

Type in ari in in his droogs iso it pops up 55 times. Out of thus 55 times 47 of those were saying how much he wanted to lynch ari. Hell earlier today he was asking why ari wasn't lynched and he got a backlash. So the sudden change probably has to do with the environment it's artificial.

Droog is trying to be consistent but changes when he receives negative backlash this isn't town trying to hunt this scum trying to fit in.

[Garmr]

can you lynch the numbers after I am dead since this will probably be my last day alive.

[Garmr]

He quickly discards my reasoning on ari. Even through he has been constantly using it through out the game to keep a scum read on ari. He pretty knows why I wanted ari lynched. Nothing has changed none of my points on ari had been refuted in fact after yesterdays lynch he should be even more suspicious as to why ari survived. But what is he doing now his bagging my my entire reasoning and focus on ari. It's because it's not the popular opinion.

i also dont discard your case on ari
from yesterday

i still scumread ari
(though less heavily than before)
and would happily lynch it

all i said is that your angry play
was not goood
and ari had a point

lets look at ari point shall we

Like you are so bullheadedly committed to lynching me that I don't think you even care my alignment anymore. You just want me dead.

1.You aren't scumhunting.
2.You aren't convincing anyone.
3.You are just in a deathtunnel going nowhere.

Get out of the damned tunnel and look around. Look at others and their cases.
Find someone to support!

If you want me lynched, maybe restate this case. But just saying "D1 & D2 case still stands" isn't going to get you any god damn support!

1. is entirely wrong because i still have a solid case on ari and that's why my vote was on him plus at the time I was considering other people I didn't pull that dwlee case out of thin air I been thinking about for some time I just wasn't to vocal because I wanted dwlee to bus.

2.day 2 proved differently I got the wagon to l-1 I was just venting my frustration before i got into it.

3 day 2 proves that wrong.


ari's points were wrong also I never called him town.

Let's see, what has Garmr done today?

962: Calls Johnny a waste.

True

963: Calls me bad town.

was implying that I thought he was above that for town

962: Calls Johnny bad again and claims.

providing information for town

971: Votes me because "hard to lynch" and "see past cases."

Ari never debunked the past cases they are still valid and I was using the fact that the controversy over a ari lynch was different than all the town lynches.

974: Responds to me by putting Johnny down, claiming I wouldn't be bussed because it would out the scumteam, and restating that past cases stand.

I'm angry at johnny so what i was responding to criticism that ari raised,Giving a suggestion on why scum wouldn't bus him for towncred he made the opposite point as to push it as thing to push him as town,He also flat out lies about the reasoning why I'm scum reading him saying it's becuase his a bad townie which it's not

1007: Gives up?

stating how I feel haven't given up

1009: Claims resistance to my lynch, though it looks like it is merely out of style now. Calls town retarded.

pretty much calling out the townies that dropped ari case for no reason day 3 even through they were adamant day 2

Garmr, please start scumhunting.
You want to see bad town, THIS^^^^^ IS BAD TOWN~

Not even mentioning that all of this early day 3.

Literally I could dispute all of what ari said day 1 and 2 your post jumps out as opportunistic because if you were really scum reading ari you would be able to see how he twist some things in his favor. My annoyance with johnny doesn't factor in day 3 and can be ignored. The only thing I saw merit in was ari saying I should be more vocal with my views because I'm going to die. I was going do that near the end of the day after I built enough support on ari at the time but That may never happen today.

[Garmr]

I have had a theory since the night phase of day 2 that scum is

ari/dwlee/?

I chucked in these names and these are the results

ari/dwlee/hasta I am starting to have doubts on this one through becuase hasta was first to vote the counter wagon and I don't think scum would of started one at that stage dwlee behavior towards hasta is weird through.

ari/dwlee/(persivul/skull) works well

ari/dwlee/(droog/dr cirno) works well

ari/dwlee/nosf I think this one is extremely unlikely but it can work.

ari/dwlee/numbers I don't think numbers would put all his scum buddies as town reads.

ari/dwlee/lowell is meh no real connection but kinda disappointed that lowell has been ducking all game.


My tracker results may mean jackshit through because scum may have a ninja or I been hitting the wrong scum with the tracks. I also think godfather due to dwlee is a possibility and if it's in the game.

Cop plus tracker means scums going to have some role to counter one of the two. I could be in this to find the god father if he gets cleared. But honestly I don't know.

[Garmr]

Why are there 4 votes on droog.

[Garmr]

Is 4th vote a mod mistake

Yes, fixed

[Garmr]

I have had a theory since the night phase of day 2 that scum is

ari/dwlee/?

I chucked in these names and these are the results

ari/dwlee/hasta I am starting to have doubts on this one through becuase hasta was first to vote the counter wagon and I don't think scum would of started one at that stage dwlee behavior towards hasta is weird through.

ari/dwlee/(persivul/skull) works well

ari/dwlee/(droog/dr cirno) works well

ari/dwlee/nosf I think this one is extremely unlikely but it can work.

ari/dwlee/numbers I don't think numbers would put all his scum buddies as town reads.

ari/dwlee/lowell is meh no real connection but kinda disappointed that lowell has been ducking all game.


My tracker results may mean jackshit through because scum may have a ninja or I been hitting the wrong scum with the tracks. I also think godfather due to dwlee is a possibility and if it's in the game.

Cop plus tracker means scums going to have some role to counter one of the two. I could be in this to find the god father if he gets cleared. But honestly I don't know.

1

You think it's more likely that there's a ninja in this setup

2

than that you're wrong about either dwlee or aristo?

the two aren't connected I don't know why you would even compare the two?


I am trying to outguess the mod with the cop and tracker based on the fact i'm a tracker and johnny was a cop it has nothing to do with dwlee and aristo.

[Garmr]

Well if scum took the time to keep aristo alive and you didn't get a tracker result out of him that night you would assume he's a ninja or something which is where I thought you were getting the idea of a ninja from.

I would just assume that another member of the scum team would of made the kill. The only way I think it would clear ari is if we lynch two scum power roles that aren't related to kills like strongman,ninja ect.

[Garmr]

NSS

Not super sexy?

[Garmr]

If we get a ari wagon going I will shift my vote back on there.

[Garmr]

VOTE: ari

VOTE: ari

[Garmr]

It's not difficult to see a case on Number1. There's al;most nothing to his ISO. I believe it's the lowest count of living players. He looked pretty good D1, but then he started lurking and backed off of Hasta, who had been his main scum read. He's a good lynch target. Scum could easily have been lying low while the (presumably TvT)

Garmr v. Johnny battle was going on.

You know what that whole battle was fucking stupid. We were both town reading each other and we both had the same scum read yet he keeped getting in my way hope he learned his lesson.

[Garmr]

that moment when the town dr didn't protect the town cop or the town tracker i know that i was strong armed but still.........

[Garmr]

Sad thing is after the ari lynch I had guessed droog (actually forgot about him at one point during the night phase.) and pers but had nosf in null town pile. I think nosf under estimated me judging from the scum thread but that will just bite him in the ass in a latter game so I don't mind.

My final guess's for the scum team where pers,dwlee and lowell(I actually forgot about droog since I was tired when I made this.)

[Garmr]

that moment when the town dr didn't protect the town cop or the town tracker i know that i was strong armed but still.........

Lol yep...

Also, no hard feelings Garmr.
I just got frustrated after so many days on the block.

Tbh I had a gut feeling you were town (around 55 percent sure) near the end of day 3 I just let my emotions get the better of me and pushed your lynch anyway I feel pretty bad for that.

[Garmr]

All good, I accepted the fact that it had to happen else we were doomed.
I'd have been east D4 mislynch bait if I'd survived again.

A droog lynch would of partially cleared you because it was was trying to stir me and you in retrospect and we probs would of figured that out if we lynched him.

[Garmr]

I was also under the impression dwlee was scum because he wasn't doing anything and wasn't contributing . I should remember Apathy doesn't = scum

[Garmr]

This game was also very town sided in role set up so scum did very well while the town power roles wasted them. I wish I was given the cop role instead of the tracker role I find tracker to be anti town sometimes and very hit or miss.