Mini 1785: Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Kush

That feels really fake.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh, fuck yeah?
I don't understand why Kush is particularly excited about playing with Jake again either and it feels insincere.
I wouldn't be surprised if both are scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I don't like you either so we're good.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have trouble believing that scum!Jake with Kush draws attention to my post by voting me after it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh in that case they could still be scumpartners, yeah.

I'd rather deal with Kush for now though.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Acryon

We've never played together where I've been scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Kush

Not really feeling my Acryon vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: BananaCucho

[RadiantCowbells]

I have no plans of responding at this time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have no plans of responding at this time.

be sure to let me know when you do

i'm prone to wagon you just because of your playstyle

VOTE: Lapsa

[RadiantCowbells]

Ftr if you think my play in our last game that I replaced out of is my 'playstyle' you're sadly mistaken.
I hated that game from the get go and planned to replace out because of how much I hate Boonskiies but couldn't until an ongoing was over so that I could explain my reasons for doing so.

I'm not explaining why I voted someone when I clearly explained why I vote them though.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Acryon

We've never played together where I've been scum?

@RadiantCowbells why are you voting Acryon?

WHY IS THIS MAN VOTING ACRYON THOUGH.
THE AUDACITY OF THIS MAN.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Lapsa

There's no way this is town.

Quicklynch this.

[RadiantCowbells]

No seriously.

I want this hammered by the time I get back this evening.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Fire Assassin

This is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fire = girl on fire = you killed that girl with those wasps you horrible person.

[RadiantCowbells]

Analogy doesn't hold up.

[RadiantCowbells]

p a g e t o p b o y s

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Jake

defensive and apologetic

[RadiantCowbells]

I still scumread Lapsa more than Kush.

VOTE: Lapsa

[RadiantCowbells]

i dont think that anything he has done at this point is clearly scummy. like, sure hes done some slightly stupid and dim things. but the main points against him i disagree with - see particularly the accusations of him arguing with little reasons etc etc that i disagreed with

i havent seen a convincing case on him beyond "oooh i dont really like this one thing that could be a town mistake i guess but ehh its an easy vote", and definitely no justification for a wagon as big as it is now so soon in the game. it looks like people voting for convenience and going with the crowd as much as anything else, although idk if crowding is really a scum thing or a mislead town thing, but id definitely guess at one scum on there

then vote fucking Lapsa who is actually scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like this is going to be a day 3 town win.

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree on principle that Kush is scum but I want to do Lapsa more.

Can we make that happen? Speak now if you're townreading him or leggo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine whatevs.

VOTE: dank 420

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Kush

In case that's not accepted.

[RadiantCowbells]

If it's Kush/Lapsa I think Acryon would be a good bet for the third.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yet those questions have no alignment indication and are basically worthless. There is no point in pursuing it as a townie yet you did, this makes me lean scum.

then why didn't you just answer them and get over with?

this is so scum it hurts.

we should derail and powerlynch Lapsa.

[RadiantCowbells]

like

i'm not saying that you're obvscum lapsa

but like I literally

like idk how even to express

I don't have the words for how obvious scum you are this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Lapsa

Kush is scum, I get that, but like
you can't not lynch this.

[RadiantCowbells]

the counterargument is powerful.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't say counterwagon, I said counterargument.
I was referring to 269.
but I do think that may have actually been an ESL issue.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC is a known RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lapsa is considerably worse than Kush imo

[RadiantCowbells]

Lapsa case is garbage. bad lynch.

are you scum or just not very smart?

[RadiantCowbells]

Lapsa may just be playing terribly, but JJD coming to a townread on them is beyond possible.

VOTE: JJD

[RadiantCowbells]

He said it's a bad lynch.

That means that he townreads him.

stop.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's a misrep RC, he hasn't said Lapsa is town, just that the case isn't strong and it's a bad lynch.

That means that he townreads him.

@RC everything you do gets loaded and garmr's a joke version of you

Explain this comment because I don't understand it at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah.
The townread feels really forced.
If I wasn't scumreading Lapsa so hard I'd actually say it's white knighting but ehh.

[RadiantCowbells]

everything you do gets loaded

Don't understand what this means.

Garmr is a joke version of you.

Don't understand what this means either.

[RadiantCowbells]

Still don't understand.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not.

But there's some terrible interactions around your slot that suggest you might be town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like what looks like garbage WKing from JJD and the reaction of Murdercat.

[RadiantCowbells]

...?

[RadiantCowbells]

hi, heat.

can you tell me in PM who the scum are?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, that's why I voted him. The reads feel really fake and I feel like he picked reads and is trying to defend them after the fact more than any real development.

[RadiantCowbells]

RadiantCowbells - Null. played a few games w/ RC now and regardless of alignment he pretty much plays the same. I generally get the feeling that RC randomly chooses who to scumread and then pushes it as hard as he can.

'random'

meanwhile if I didn't save towns asses in NY193 that would have been a near perfect scum win.

[RadiantCowbells]

My wagons aren't random.

Just stop.

[RadiantCowbells]

How many of the reads that I stuck with as major scumreads in NY193 weren't on scum?
1. Ricastle.
Read 1779. I called 1 werewolf and vigged the other.

These are not outliers. These are the standard that I hold myself to.
Call them serious well thought votes or don't- I catch scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

You know these days the vast majority of games I call the entire scumteam by day 2.
That's not like
a good game
that's like the norm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd still rather lynch JJD than Kush.

[RadiantCowbells]

Taking a few days off.

Happy with seeing a Lapsa or JJD lynch in my absence.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not doing Autti today.

Lapsa/JJD are my big picks still.

[RadiantCowbells]

Jake is town, fire assassin is probtown, garmr is a town lean
don't really think kush is scum
Lapsa/JJD my two top scumread.

rest are null. I haven't been reading in depth.
I'll catch up and make a full reads list tomorrow if I'm still alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

Autti is the scum driven counterwagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

Calvary just entered my lynchpool.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not silly at all actually and yes if he was pressured he would show his true self

I was V/LA for 3 days you twit.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm so, so not in the mood for mafia atm.

I'm forcing myself to do what I've done so far.

Sorry if I'm not up to par with what you're expecting from me.

That said, I'm quite confident in my Lapsa and JJD scumreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

yawn.
I already caught scum. there's not much left for me to do.

shush you little scumbutt.

RC, if you admittedly play like shit, then at least stop pushing your half-assed reads

I said I'm tired of mafia.
I didn't say my reads were any less solid than usual.
I'm willing to reevaluate you if you do something warranting a townread but as is pretty sure you're scum with JJD, yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm legit super uncomfortable with the strength of your townread on me here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Garmr is town.
JJD is scum.

trying to lynch Garmr is just dumb.

[RadiantCowbells]

K so what you're notb ringing up is that I explicitly said that I was wagoning Ricastle for the reaction

then followed through on it because Ric refused to respond to the wagon at all.

What you're ALSO not bringing up is that I fucking hard led 2 more wagons that game. One hit SRMP, one hit Pisskop. Both hit scum.

Like JJD clearly knows that I'm a pretty fucking good player and he's just sitting there BMing me.

that's scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Lapsa

[RadiantCowbells]

I have never seen anything noteworthy from you.

Only played like 5 or 6 games but I'll look through em and get you my resume if you want.

Spoilier Alert: I fuggen DOMINATED them.

Yeah the game I was scum and replaced out, the scum team shot u N1 over the claimed seer. You were very good with ur reads that game from my memory.

and I powerlynched the remaining scum.
including PK who was widely townread.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whats your thoughts on RadiantCowbells?

I plan on withholding that read until I'm more sure of it.

How sweet of you!

[RadiantCowbells]

And for the record, already checked spreadsheet.

I'm town here <3

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't like Acryon but most of what I dislike about him is lack of scumhunting/content and he's been on V/LA.

I'm not lynching him day 1.

What are your thoughts on Lapsa, expedience?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think scum is something.

murdercat/lapsa/maybe jjd but probably something else.

it's been impossible to get a lapsa wagon really going and I've been trying to make it all day. that alone makes me think he's scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

id probably be looking closest at... expedience i think, maybe garmr

If you think scum!Expedience makes sense after this...

I don't know why I didn't do this as soon as I found out fire assassin was fire bringer but I can't play with a known game thrower.

request replacement.

Fire is on my blacklist

... you're insane.

Postie, I don't see why you'd see replacing as alignment indicative.

[RadiantCowbells]

last time RC was this drunk I won like 20 straight games of chatmafia.

driunk RC places this vote.

VOTE: Postie

[RadiantCowbells]

he clearly has an issue with the slot that tends towards the emotional
I think we both know that such issues transcend alignment?

I mean I replaced from a game with Titus while claiming it was because I hated her when in reality it was beacuse I didn't want to see her getting beat upo n fo her play in our preiovus game.

like fuck it you should know better than this seethatt.

[RadiantCowbells]

k w/e

who do you think is scum

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: murdercat

pls for the love of fucking

don't be scum again

[RadiantCowbells]

not like the literal love of fucking but liek

i don't want ot deal iwth another scum lfip from yo uagina.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't know.

can I call you my little isster?

[RadiantCowbells]

yo dont even know how durnk.

[RadiantCowbells]

uhm. not planning on it.

[RadiantCowbells]

yo meseeks is town af.

jjd lets say you're town. hoh scum tho?

[RadiantCowbells]

uhm.

garmrm is town
acryon may notb e town but im not voting v/la
kush is not a townread.

[RadiantCowbells]

dude i literally did not press fuckin subit and ijt fucking subimted fuck

[RadiantCowbells]

idk little sis D:

[RadiantCowbells]

call me big borhter and I can give you an answer D:

[RadiantCowbells]

Im not quite sure tbh.

do you think shes scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok but liiek

do you wnt voe or no?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

VOTE: calvyar[/vote[]

dot be scum

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: calvary

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Lapsa

yeah vote shouldn't have changed. calvary wagon is dirty af.

[RadiantCowbells]

Garmr is town regardless of Lapsa's flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

Would do kush again actualy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Calvary wagon nearly entirely driven by my scumreads.

Lynch something the fuck else.

I'll wagon Postie (autti slot), Kush, Lapsa, w/e.

VOTE: Postie

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I don't like have to lynch you today
but I'm pretty certain that you're scum here rn.

you're evading engagement, spend more time talking at the thread than scumhunting, you're pushing a terrible scum driven wagon, and I genuinely feel sick reading your posts.
like 1228 is so sickeningly dirty. the 'when I'm town', like fuck. how many times have you seen me town recently? How many games have we been town together? like 3?
That's not how town!Postie would respond to that here. you'd engage me directly and try to change my read or you'd scumhunt me in response for it.
you just assuming that I'm town and not looking for scum motivation in my push on you is so fucking ridiculously uncharacteristic.
this isn't gonna be 558 again.

so yeah. I'm not happy with any of the other wagons and I'm pretty sure Postie is scum here.
I'm not ok with getting nightkilled and her living forever and endgaming town. vote her please.

at least force her to engage with me directly.

[RadiantCowbells]

we're not wagoning firebringer jfc.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's no scum voting for you there.

stop being an idiot.

[RadiantCowbells]

im really sick of garmr vs jarjar.
im really sick of lapsa vs everyone.
They're all 3 of them town lol.

Well everyone can't be town.

What is this supposed to mean

The post was saying most of the major wagons were on town, which just seems really unlikely given the content of each.

Cavalry wagon is bad. Get off. Lapsa or Fire.

Not happening.

Seems like most of the issue people have with Cavalry essentially boils down to the slot being gone. Do you have another reason? Because the wagon seems like garbage.

This isn't a real thing.

Agree to disagree I suppose. There are plenty of players who question a lot before coming to a conclusion. If Calvary disappears for whatever reason, that conclusion never comes. It's like saying there wasn't an end to someone's story that they walked out in the middle of telling. You can say that there isn't an end to the story, but maybe there is and we just didn't hear it because they walked out before they got to it.

Calvary made 23 posts, most of which were wall posts with several paragraphs of content. You'd think there'd be

something

of substance in there.

Ok, but for Calvary-scum, if you are going to post that much content, why would it not end with you jumping onto one of the many voting spots that seem to be available?

If only there was some way of increasing the amount of time in the day phase so we could wagon Firebringer instead, that would make everyone happy.

Let's go.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

we're not wagoning firebringer jfc.

Why not? It is infinitely better than the terrible Calvary wagon.

acryon, lapsa isnt getting lynched today

just vote calvary, we can get a decent lynch tomorrow

Everyone knows this Calvary lynch is trash. Only chance I'm voting Calvary is if it's to hammer to avoid a NL.

For the record, besides Lapsa I think that all those wagons are on town, yeah.
I think Kush is probably scum who expects towncred for pointing out that the ones likelier to flip today are town, for the record.

Why are you not voting Postie? You said yourself the major wagons are shit; come vote her.

[RadiantCowbells]

Iai postie acryon is my best guess atm

brilliant guess.
as you can see there is a wagon on exactly one of them.

why are you not voting Postie?

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you want to not fucking ignore me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Acryon responded to stuff Postie said in a manner that indicated a scumread but didn't vote.
No one else has mentioned Postie since.

[RadiantCowbells]

it IS a meta case on Postie, yeah, and it's entirely correct.
I mean she's not 100% scum but her complete lack of response and the fact that no one's really adopting the wagon suggest that she's scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just vote her.

At the very least force her to engage with me directly so I can read her.

[RadiantCowbells]

We've got 3 hours to deadline.

Is someone gonna be around to hammer around then because if not we should just lynch her now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah we did. nevermind.

Postie, claim?

[RadiantCowbells]

I stopped scumreading you so it's only fair you return the favor.

lol.

[RadiantCowbells]

yuteelely

[RadiantCowbells]

don't ask what that means.

has postie been on site?

[RadiantCowbells]

1295 is so bad but like
I don't want to lynch that claim D1.

If she's town she'll get NKed eventually, if she's scum she'll PoE herself.

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck it.

what are your reads Postie?

[RadiantCowbells]

You're missing the point.
If Postie is scum with a GS claim she'll get PoEd out eventually.
If she's town, she'll get NKed.

There's no rush to lynch her without a CC, and for the record: town shouldn't necessarily CC.

[RadiantCowbells]

JJD I feel like you're CCing and I feel like it's fucking obvious.

If you specifically CC you should do it outright and we can lynch her.

If anyone else CCs they should keep their mouth shut until a few days in then counterclaim her the day before LyLo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not disagreeing but I'm not lynching uncced gunsmith on day one.
like ugh.

[RadiantCowbells]

Really don't think Garmr is town atm.

Postie, where'd you go?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm the town cop you fucking ret****. The gunsmith is probably there to work with my role.

are you cop
or backup cop?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Postie

Cop + GS would never have passed review.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not a thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Antihero reviewed this game.
There is a 0% chance of him passing Gunsmith + full cop.

Yeah. I'm actually wondering if Garmr is maybe a scumbuddy who thinks no one is CCing so they decided to claim and bus and get towncred from it?

But like town cop claim on day 1 will have to claim results and shit so w/e.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to replace out Lol I was genuinely town but I can''t be fucked with you guys. Since I'm replacing out maybe I was wrong about jar jar maybe he is a fucking townie but a idiot. Rc and mr seeks reactions to me is funny because they did a 180 even through they were so hard reading me before I would look into those two if I flip green..

So fuck you jar jar.

@mod replace me out.

When did I do a 180?

[RadiantCowbells]

Really don't think Garmr is town atm.

Postie, where'd you go?

For the record, this was meant to say 'Really don't think Garmr is scum atm.'
The fuck did you fakeclaim for, seriously? Did it help last time?
Have you not learned better?

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie hasn't actually been CCed then has she?
But fuck she's so scummy.

If she was town here she'd be jumping my ass and nailing me to the cross. The way she's rolling over in response to pressure just feels so bad.
Like I've seen her sort of fold inward in response to pressure but this doesn't feel like that and I feel like she's deliberately trying to emulate that right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Garmr

need a lynch.
*shrug*

[RadiantCowbells]

We have 30 minutes.

If you don't hammer Garmr and he later turns out to be scum I'm autolynching you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just hammer.

I'm sorry if you're actually town.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Mr Meseeks

I really don't trust the assumption that that was a vig kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

hi. postie claimed gs.

two other people cced but neither are established as being serious.

[RadiantCowbells]

aww fuck whatever.

VOTE: unvote

[RadiantCowbells]

Meseeks, you're townreading Postie?

[RadiantCowbells]

You're being pretty fucking obvious dude.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm deputy aka backup cop.
Ircher's scum. there's a jailkeep and possibly a vigilante and the nk was probably made at Postie.

VOTE: Ircher

Gunsmith is the real investigative in this setup.

[RadiantCowbells]

there's no cop in other words.

aka Ircher is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

it makes little sense for ircher to be scum in this situation imo, the situation of the claim is bizarre

it makes complete fucking sense.
if there was indeed a save on Postie I wouldn't be surprised that they'd pull some weird shenanigans to try to doubtcast her slot.
I doubt Ircher was ever intending to have me voted up, he wanted to have Postie lynched on account of the CC.

as for why I don't believe a cop claim? it's because it's claimed a guilty on me.
I didn't push the Postie lynch yesterday even though I was fairly certain she was scum because I wanted her to check me so I could verify her alignment.

I've had 3 hours of sleep in the last 60 hours. I'll figure this out later.

you're all terrible if you quicklynch me.

[RadiantCowbells]

but on an objective level its better to lynch radiantcowbells here, seriously guys

no. stop being bad.
this is a sunsmith setup. vig/sk, jailkeeper, my role all point to gunsmith.
calvary didn't deal with Postie's claim in a way that suggested it was a legit cc.

ircher is scum. I softed my role pretty hard at some point yesterday.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm the town cop you fucking ret****. The gunsmith is probably there to work with my role.

are you cop
or backup cop?

this.

[RadiantCowbells]

later. ircher is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you think we're scum together you're lynching him first.
I'm considering whether scum had a doc and someone on the scumteam pieced together doc = probably gunsmith setup.
For the fucking record, I had claimed that role before I was checked.

the only world in which both of those fit together is an rc/ircher scumteam

k.

[RadiantCowbells]

If there's a vig or SK I'd like them to claim.

[RadiantCowbells]

Correction.
If there's a vig or SK who targeted Kush, I'd like them to claim.
Assuming Postie was indeed jailkept that sort of confirms her as town because I can't see why Scum!Postie makes the nightkill last night.

Which makes Ircher probably scum gunsmith? or MAYBE role cop who came up with a really smooth play.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unless there's some other explanation for the missing kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually what makes the most sense is that this is basically a carbon fucking copy of my 1777.
What if it's 2/1/10, mafia killed Kush, Serial Killer targeted scum!Postie but was prevented by jailkeep?

yeah but youre radiantcowbells, im not going to rule something out because its improbable

Your face is improbably ugly.

[RadiantCowbells]

WAIT A SECOND.
If Mafia thinks that there's an SK: that explains why Postie would claim as Gunsmith. Non-threatening to serial killers.
Especially if they also have a doc.

[RadiantCowbells]

as you said, postie is not a threat to a serial killer unless they claim vig

Either because they intended to claim vig or because they are bad at the game.

Or even because they thought Postie was scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think scum have a roleblocker; I think scum tried to kill me and I was jailkept.

Postie, thoughts on my alignment?

[RadiantCowbells]

to further weak the gunsmith because the setup calls for it?

[RadiantCowbells]

Meeseeks softed the fuck out of having a jailkeep on Postie though.

So, what the fuck?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Postie

What if Meseeks and Postie are scumpartners, Postie submitted the kill, it didn't go through, and Meseeks slipped thta info in thread?

[RadiantCowbells]

That also explains his super hard pushing of the RC/Ircher bus thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie, why are you holding me at arms length?

[RadiantCowbells]

Meseeks is scum, yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Meseeks

Davsto's scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Meseeks is scum, yeah.

lolwut

i am the p. much one of the towniest players in this game right now, and you said so yourself, so idk where you got this idea from

I really fucking hated this when I saw it, but knowing it's Davsto this is tantamount to a scumclaim.

[RadiantCowbells]

Meseeks is scum, yeah.

lolwut

i am the p. much one of the towniest players in this game right now, and you said so yourself, so idk where you got this idea from

I really fucking hated this when I saw it, but knowing it's Davsto this is tantamount to a scumclaim.

wow its almost like i made an alt so i didnt have to play to my fucking meta and do shit like this

this is why i was like "yeah lets all just ignore that" but no you have to be better than that because youre radiant-fucking-cowbells

You made an alt so you could use strategies that people would use against you if they knew who you were.

You altslip it's not like I'm going to pretend that I don't know that this is exactly how you operate as scum. You play like Sircakez, talk like you should be treated as obvious town and hope no one asks questions.

And no, I'm not voting anyone besides you. Postie can get lynched if she needs to but my vote is on scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

no, i talk like i should be treated as obvious town because I AM OBVIOUS TOWN, i am one of the townier players in this game for fucks sake. you want me to go through everyones isos and pick out the posts where they say im town?

Were on day 1.
Then you fucked today up royal tier.

you acting like voting me is a better choice than voting postie LITERALLY HAVING AN 100% CHANCE OF LYNCHING SCUM WITHIN THE NEXT TWO DAYS is absolutely pathetic

Postie will get lynched.
If I'm getting killed tonight I'm getting killed with my vote on scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you're town then one of us is going to be dead.

[RadiantCowbells]

I trust RC's reads generally.

Me too, but not on this one. Meseeks is town people.

stop being bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who then?

look right now rc is hard push, strongarming a lynch off someone you know is confscum

how are all the alarm bells in your head not going "HOLY FUCKING SHIT" right now

wait.

so you're implying that

I'm scum with Postie

and you're town.

and you think that Scum!RC is hard derailing a lynch on his partner, a partner who both of us is aware would be perfectly happy being bussed, to lynch town: after which... what happens exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know who my third is. I have soem townreads though.

[RadiantCowbells]

This isn't even a meta read though.

This is about YOU immediately assuming that Postie was jailkept to the extent that I thought you were softing a claim, you hard defending her, you pushing a lynch on Ircher based on a ridiculous Ircher/RC scumteam possibility, you knowing that the Kush thing was a vig kill in conjunction with the former which implies that you think that either Postie was killed or tried to kill, all of the above.

Yes, there's some really shitty comments that you made that look exactly like similar ones you made in paint. but don't call this a shitty meta read when you slipped all over the fucking thread.

@RC
Townreads?

Acryon, jarjar, I townread most of the PR claims.

*you know is scum

We get an extra gunsmith result.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is about YOU immediately assuming that Postie was jailkept to the extent that I thought you were softing a claim, you hard defending her, you pushing a lynch on Ircher based on a ridiculous Ircher/RC scumteam possibility, you knowing that the Kush thing was a vig kill in conjunction with the former which implies that you think that either Postie was killed or tried to kill, all of the above.

now you know its me for my meta

you know how good i am at setup spec

and of course i though kush was a fucking vig kill, what sort of scum would kill kush outside extremely bizarre circumstances? seriously now rc, use your brain

Except your setup spec was all predicated on scum being jailkept; which is now proven wrong but in a way that scum would assume true if they thought Postie was in fact jailkept if she made the kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is about YOU immediately assuming that Postie was jailkept to the extent that I thought you were softing a claim, you hard defending her, you pushing a lynch on Ircher based on a ridiculous Ircher/RC scumteam possibility, you knowing that the Kush thing was a vig kill in conjunction with the former which implies that you think that either Postie was killed or tried to kill, all of the above.

now you know its me for my meta

you know how good i am at setup spec

and of course i though kush was a fucking vig kill, what sort of scum would kill kush outside extremely bizarre circumstances? seriously now rc, use your brain

Except your setup spec was all predicated on scum being jailkept; which is now proven wrong but in a way that scum would assume true if they thought Postie was in fact jailkept if she made the kill.

...was it?

my entire setup spec was predicated on whoever the kill target was being doctored, no?

j/s, i never even mentioned a jailkeep probablity. hell, i even said it was unlikely

my theory was towndoc and scumblock

Your theory was that Postie was the JAILKEPT kill target.
It's pretty clear that you were actually thinking she was the jailkept kill taker.

[RadiantCowbells]

town gunsmith as investigative
town vig to supply false guilty
town doc because balance

scum rb to prevent follow the cop

10/10 reading skills rc

YOU KNEW THERE WAS A GUNSMITH.
POSTIE CLAIMED GS.
YOU SAY THERE'S A DOC IN A GS SETUP WE KNOW YOU MEAN JK.

IN FACT JESUS DUDE.

HOW DOES ANYONE BELIEVE HE'S SUGGESTING THERE'S A TOWN DOC IN A GS SETUP?

[RadiantCowbells]

I swear davsto knows about scumdocs and gunsmiths.

this isn't a new thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok, I'm caught up. Ircher looking to vote someone that isn't postie is ridiculous. Also the fact that calvary didn't claim is strange. I don't understand why RC would move off of the two players that are 50% likely to be scum. Ircher/RC scumteam seems reasonable to me. I could see them looking to bus ircher to get gs postie lynched and RC towncred. That slot is under a lot of pressure anyway so I think that's pretty good value for them. Why does postie have so many votes again? I don't agree with Meseeks point of view, I think we should vote the scummier one.

What do we think the scum PRs are right now? Do we really buy that scum postie was able to claim gunsmith based on the info avaliable to scum? I don't understand the possible setups that well, but mafia doc doesn't make that much sense with vig in the game correct? So were are basing the fact that scum postie claimed gunsmith because of fear of an SK on day 1? Someone help me out here.

There may only be 2 scum + SK.

Or just 2 scum outright.

[RadiantCowbells]

Again, you're badly overestimating the power of GS because guilties aren't confirmed guilties.

[RadiantCowbells]

Meseeks is scum.
JarJar is either bad or scum as well.

We're lynching Postie today, thank you.

Uh, cuz you've done it since daystart.

I could see a Postie/Jar/RC team now. Could explain the townread RC has on Jar.

I don't understand why everyone feels the need to throw me on scumteams that make little sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

We're lynching Postie today, thank you.

sorry i thought we were lynching me

I don't like the switch in focus from Postie to Ircher.

I'm going to lynch your ass or die trying but I'm not going to vote you if it risks Ircher going through.

[RadiantCowbells]

Thats not balanced in the slightest.

Gunsmith gets false positives on 3 town prs (joat, backup cop, vig)

joats only get false positives if any of their abilities are ones which belong to the roles which would trigger a gunsmith - so far, both of dwlees have not been that. plus, you know, im leaning towards the backup cop being scum rn

Vigilante is pure negative utility.

yes because something with a chance of killing scum is PURE negative utilitiy

Joat likely is Jail, Commute, Vig/Investigate. That's good for catching one scum.

And, this is against (from my pov):
Mafia Gunsmith

lolwut

what kind of fucked up setup has a fucking mafia gunsmith??? you cray bro?

2x Mafia Goon

Suppose the Gunsmiths trade. That's still 11:2.
Vig misfires: 10:2.
Joat is confirmed town but gets nk'd first opp. Only clears one person.

again, it has a commute. its gonna survive several nights

This isn't balanced; town has an EV ~36% in 11:2 Mountainous. This setup's average case is only slightly better than such. Worst case is a horror for town.

you have literally made this setup that i painted out LOOK as bad as possible without considering ANY other possibilities

I legit want to like make a massive case against Meeseeks because there's just so much the fuck wrong with his play

but I'd rather lie on the beach.

[RadiantCowbells]

I doubt scum have a doc at this point.
I think both factions have gunsmiths.

false guilties, no false innos.

[RadiantCowbells]

Didn't someone claim vig?

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe, instead of scumdoc, they have a mafia traitor?

[RadiantCowbells]

I know I said I was going to sleep but I decided to check if mafia gunsmith is normal

Apparently it is

Like why would you even check this.

how do you claim to not know that mafia gunsmith is normal.

so fucking scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

How is Mafia gunsmith odd?
How is that odd?

How is that anything outside of the ordinary?

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyway, actually going now

In case I don't make it until tomorrow because I'm nightkilled, you should 100000000% lynch RC tomorrow if ircher flip a scum. He'll try to word his way out of it, he'll try to bullshit as much as possible, he will attack everyone and desperately cling to anything that will keep him alive.

Don't buy it. Don't let him get to you.

If ircher flips town... well I probably don't have to tell you who to lynch lets be honest here

WHY ARE YOU ACTING AS IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO NK YOU.

Y WOULD YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE GETTING NKED.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like even if Ircher is scum there's no way anyone would night kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie is avoiding me like crazy.
Look through any game where she's town. She immediately would have jumped in and started pressuring the fuck out of me or at the very least dealt with me directly.
I've spent half of the game and day trying to get her to engage with me and she's refused.
Postie does sometimes fade away as town but that's after like massive amounts of pressure. not after what happened in this game.

And Ircher's being ridiculous but that's not a scumtell for him. I've seen him do some nauseatingly ridiculous stuff as town
like idk. she townread me without really explaining it and brushed me off. postie's townread me quickly as town before but that's when I'm scum and deliberately aiming to manipulate her, and even then she puts me under more pressure than virtually any other player does. nothing here.
Further, she'd be the first person to call me out for claiming backup cop after a GS guilty.
I can't see Postie town here. I want her lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum!Postie never clearly scumhunts unless it's while she's bussing a partner, doesn't really take solid stances, and gets by by being amiable and seeming genuine.
that's exactly what I'm seeing in this game.

At the very least, pressure her and make her respond to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

That doesn't mean you just ignore me, even if that's true.

And I doubt it's true given that in Word Sneak where I was scum you had no problems whatsoever making yourself obvtown in response to omgdeathtunnel from me.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Meseeks

Davsto's scum.

Bad vote, he still looks really town.

Also you literally claimed miller after being called out by a gunsmith so yeah

before* being called out by a gunsmith.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's really sad that Meeseeks is getting away with pushing this bullcrap Ircher/RC scumteam and no one is calling him out for it.

VOTE: Ircher

I'm done.

Vig me tonight, lynch Meeseeks tomorrow. Regardless of the flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

You seriously self vote when you know someone is confirmed scum? And RC, why meseeks instead of postie if Ircher is town?

Postie will die.
Meeseeks may not.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am backup cop with no cop in the setup.
I am a miller who was guiltied N1. With my rep I get lynched at some point this game guaranteed.
Confirm my alignment and lynch Meeseeks.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that this could easily have been a scum win but the night actions just fucked us over too badly.