Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[Ankamius]

hi

[Ankamius]

Yes but can we address the ticking timebomb called ankanimus

I'm what now? This is the first I've ever heard of this.

[Ankamius]

pagetop

[Ankamius]

You know what you are <3

Are you scum that is worried I'll catch you if you leave me alive too long?

Spoiler:

[Ankamius]

Oh, now I know what you're referring to.

That game was an exception, not a rule.

[Ankamius]

Please, guys, we can talk this out.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: The Bulge

[Ankamius]

soulless lolk

why bulge but not ut? the other way makes a lot more sense

Why did you care about his vote but not mine?

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: The Bulge
VOTE: Grapes

This game is really hard to get into.

zzz

[Ankamius]

PeregrineV might be scum.

[Ankamius]

PeregrineV is not difficult to read.

[Ankamius]

You're underestimating how easy PeregrineV is to read.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: The Bulge
VOTE: Grapes

This game is really hard to get into.

zzz

Hey Ank if you're town can you start acting like it?

Because if you don't I will be forced to assume that you rolled scum and are staying in the background to escape my radar



Yes my ego is that big

Why wait? It's better you realize now that you're never getting me lynched this game instead of tunneling on it a few days down the line.

[Ankamius]

Froot Loop could be scum too I guess.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Froot Loop

sure

[Ankamius]

Why wait? It's better you realize now that you're never getting me lynched this game instead of tunneling on it a few days down the line.

?????

What's so ????? about that?

[Ankamius]

I don't understand what you're saying

It means I'm town, and I tend to not get lynched as town.

Also why Froot Loop?

His PV-vote post sucked.

[Ankamius]

DGB was the second person to reach that conclusion, after one of the least-influential slots in the game. She also didn't try to justify it with awkwardly weak reasoning.

[Ankamius]

Grapes is leaning scum.
TNE is leaning townish.

I wasn't kidding when I said this game was hard to get into.

[Ankamius]

I have almost no time to be around before deadline, so expect nothing but vote changes if they're needed.

UNVOTE: Froot Loop
VOTE: Seraphim

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Seraphim
VOTE: The Bulge

[Ankamius]

Back to this.

VOTE: Froot Loop

[Ankamius]

Because the deadline approached and the other guy we ran up had a believable claim or at least something that people wanted to keep alive for the night.

[Ankamius]

I'm glad we got the iraonavp tunnel war out of the way now before anything truly important happens.

[Ankamius]

I swear to god I'm going to just park my vote on zmuffinman for the rest of the game if he does this 1v1 bs again.

[Ankamius]

Katsuki's the best vote out of everyone if I had to choose outside of Froot Loop I guess.

[Ankamius]

Actually,

VOTE: Katsuki

I dislike the iraonavp wagon enough that I'm comfortable with this right away.

[Ankamius]

I'm not following that argument at all.

[Ankamius]

Alright, hold on.

[Ankamius]

My crystal ball is saying that your argument still makes no sense.

[Ankamius]

Who's?

[Ankamius]

does anybody have a town read on ankamius

I hope not. I need more excitement in my life.

[Ankamius]

I'm glad to see you've found a shepherd, UT.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: V/LA until Friday, just in case. A family member got into an accident today.

[Ankamius]

This is a good vote.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Ankamius]

Good job on projecting yourself I guess.

[Ankamius]

This is a good vote.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

I agree, but why do you agree?

His sheeping onto me is the reason; his method looks really manufactured.

[Ankamius]

This is a good vote.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

I agree, but why do you agree?

His sheeping onto me is the reason; his method looks really manufactured.

Ummm, he voted you AFTER you voted him.

And?

I'm talking about his sheeping Muffin's suspicion on me.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: I'd like to extend my V/LA to Monday. Sorry for the trouble.

[Ankamius]

This is a good vote.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

I agree, but why do you agree?

His sheeping onto me is the reason; his method looks really manufactured.

Ummm, he voted you AFTER you voted him.

And?

I'm talking about his sheeping Muffin's suspicion on me.

Show me the quotes you are talking about.

I got mixed up; it was DGBs he sheeped, not Muffin's.

The post I was referencing was this one:

I'm glad we got the iraonavp tunnel war out of the way now before anything truly important happens.

I swear to god I'm going to just park my vote on zmuffinman for the rest of the game if he does this 1v1 bs again.

Katsuki's the best vote out of everyone if I had to choose outside of Froot Loop I guess.

Actually,

VOTE: Katsuki

I dislike the iraonavp wagon enough that I'm comfortable with this right away.

that IS a pretty awkward series of posts

[Ankamius]

Actually

this word is the part of ankamius's iso that makes him most likely scum, btw

I thought you knew my scumgame, Muffin. I'm really disappointed in this post.

[Ankamius]

Huh. I thought you were in MitLoF for some reason. I guess my first game on the site under this account is the only one that I can think of then.

Either way, I won't bother explaining why the way I handled the Katsuki wagon makes no sense for me as scum. Most people who have a significant amount of experience playing with me would be able to tell you why.

[Ankamius]

So then answer this question

This is a good vote.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

I agree, but why do you agree?

The reason hasn't changed. That post specifically gave me red flags.

[Ankamius]

Huh. I thought you were in MitLoF for some reason. I guess my first game on the site under this account is the only one that I can think of then.

Either way, I won't bother explaining why the way I handled the Katsuki wagon makes no sense for me as scum. Most people who have a significant amount of experience playing with me would be able to tell you why.

lol

best defense I've ever seen

10/10

You're still alive?

[Ankamius]

Because I remembered when someone else voted him that I hadn't yet.

[Ankamius]

I won't bother explaining why the way I handled the Katsuki wagon makes no sense for me as scum. Most people who have a significant amount of experience playing with me would be able to tell you why

well seeing as no one else has stepped forward to tell me why, why don't you do so in their stead? why does it make no sense?

When I bus, I specifically do so to damage control so that them being lynched doesn't compromise the scumteam as a whole.

Hesitantly joining a wagon on a scumpartner without giving any reasoning and never mentioning it again afterwards doesn't fit that agenda at all.

[Ankamius]

lmao

Are you guys serious?

[Ankamius]

It's likely. That vote was horrendous.

[Ankamius]

The read is stale and other things have happened since then that give me stronger reads.

[Ankamius]

he's reverse-engineering his "scumreads" after being asked why. he has no actual trajectory to his reads, they have stopped/started without reason or explanation.

as an example his vote on me is a clear shot of self-preservation but rather than admitting that he tried to pull together some reasoning for it that didn't hold up to scrutiny (see his exchange with zMuffin)

by contrast, the wagon on me is based on... nothing? gut? omgus? self-preservation? it's unclear what the reasoning is because even the wagon cheerleader Vedith is only saying "UT is scum because he's scum"

Congrats on figuring out my towngame, I guess.

[Ankamius]

The read is stale and other things have happened since then that give me stronger reads.

oh yeah? it went stale between the very end of yesterday and the start of today?

who are these "other reads" and for what reasons? just UT?

Well, yeah. My suspicion on Froot Loop is on day one stuff. Nothing happened in day two and we ended up with a scum lynch, so resetting to get a better bearing on the gamestate now that more significant info is on the table is more reasonable than just sheeping myself from two game phases ago.

The "other things have happened since then that give me stronger reads" is from the wagon that's sprung up on me and people's reactions to it. UT's is scummy as shit as I already stated. I'm okay with CKD's reactions to it. DGB is probably town. You're gutreading scum, but that's mostly because generally I can see you as town whenever we play in the same game and I haven't gotten that same feeling yet.

[Ankamius]

he's reverse-engineering his "scumreads" after being asked why.

he has no actual trajectory to his reads, they have stopped/started without reason or explanation.

as an example his vote on me is a clear shot of self-preservation but rather than admitting that he tried to pull together some reasoning for it that didn't hold up to scrutiny (see his exchange with zMuffin)

by contrast, the wagon on me is based on... nothing? gut? omgus? self-preservation? it's unclear what the reasoning is because even the wagon cheerleader Vedith is only saying "UT is scum because he's scum"

now the first bolded IS actually scummy...Ank, your thought on this?

Not alignment indicative. I reword and change my arguments as both alignments.

[Ankamius]

From what I can tell, he's saying that I put out my scumreads, then try to create the reasons after I get asked. That's literally what I do as town and what I try to emulate as scum.

[Ankamius]

ankamius's 180 on froot loop (for no decent reason other than "it's a stale d1 read" even though his last words before voting cupcake suggested he still thought froot loop was very likely scum and the fact that froot loop wasn't voting cupcake shouldn't have made ankamius feel better about her) and thinking "this makes perfect sense if they're scum tbh"

How is what I'm doing a 180? I never once said that Froot Loop was a townread.

[Ankamius]

sell me on Ank being scum in regards to his voting of Kat yesterday (ie when he did it)

i'll give you my interpretation of what happened when he voted cupcake; i don't expect it to sell anyone, but it is how i am reading it - most of my dislike of his approach to the cupcake vote has to do with the language he used tbh

the first point is that 787 stands out as a weak way to address the iraon v me situation; it's not a stance, there's no substance, it's just nothing. to me, this reads like scum who wants to look like they're giving an opinion on an event but without having to actually take a hard side one way or the other on the matter. i suppose you could interpret this as him town-reading iraon and scum-reading me if you squint, but that's not really what he's saying (and if it were what he was saying, i would have expected him to have some sort of hard opinion on me today, given my light resistance to the cupcake wagon yesterday - instead, we have nothing. in fact, the opposite; he's disappointed that i'm reading him incorrectly, which suggests a town read, i think?)

most of the reason i dislike 788/789 comes down to how he phrased these posts

i think 788 is him deciding whether he actually wants to bus. is it possible that town looked at the wagons happening and thought cupcake was the best wagon of them? sure. do i think town would have expressed it like he did in 788? no. the phrasing here (both "out of everyone" and "i guess") is most of the reason why i dislike this post, though it's not so easy to describe the nuances here and why i think it's more likely to come from scum than town outside of the fact that i think town are more likely to use firmer language (e.g. "if froot loop doesn't happen, i'd vote cupcake" or something like that)

then we have 789. i don't really like anything in this post. the way it's phrased and the content of the post just reads like scum who's decided they saw where the tides were turning (or at the very least, wanted to be on the good side of things if the tides did turn that way and if they didn't then oh well, he probably thought he'd created a decent negative interaction) and wanted to maximise how good they looked from it. again, could a town player think what he thinks in this post? certainly. but again, i don't think it would have been phrased in this way. i mean, in the first place, what does the iraon wagon have to do with it? why bring it up? if he thinks cupcake is scum, the iraon wagon shouldn't have much to do with it (unless he specifically took issue with cupcake's iraon vote, but that's not what he's saying here). which leads me back to the conclusion that it was done to maximise town credit (this makes the most sense if iraon is actually town, though. it's not an impossible move if iraon is scum for a number of reasons, but it makes more sense if he's town)

i realise this isn't some rock-solid case or anything; it is what it is, and what it is is just how i read these posts. in combination with a lot of other things i haven't liked about his play both prior to today and today, it's enough that i'm fine with his lynch

That's a wrap, boys. UT + zMuffinMan is the scumteam.

[Ankamius]

Either you're scum or you have a very skewed idea of what my meta is, in which case you really shouldn't be trying to read me based on it.

[Ankamius]

ankamius is probably scum

but then maybe i'm just saying that because he's lynchbait

he's definitely not playing his standard "gut"-based game, at the very least, and his reactions don't feel natural

Then what's this?

[Ankamius]

I would expect you to be able to read me better than this since you've never had any trouble with it before now. Getting really simple things wrong is a huge red flag coming from you.

My reasons for suspecting UT are the way he handled his suspicion of me today.

[Ankamius]

You should have an idea of my stance on extended 1v1s from that game.

I also had seen iraonavp be more than willing to get into an extended 1v1 as town. It had gone on for several pages mainly because he was getting fed responses. The only reason it stopped is because iraon got lynched.

[Ankamius]

like i called you probably town for interactions with flipped scum in that game and that's as much as i said about your play in that game

so unless there's some other game i'm forgetting, what games have i played such that me apparently reading you as scum is some "huge red flag"?

I'll go look. I know of at least two other games (albeit old) that we were both in the same game of, and you read me correctly early and consistently in both games. I'll drop it if it turns out there aren't any more.

[Ankamius]

Ok yeah, it was just those three games. I probably assumed there was more because I followed a few games you happened to be in.

I'll reset.

[Ankamius]

My stance on that 1v1 was that it was stupid and needed to end sooner rather than later.

[Ankamius]

I don't understand what people aren't getting about Froot Loop being obvscum

What's your case on that slot? The latest thing I can find in your ISO is like... page 6.

[Ankamius]

srsly?

She's actively dodging the game currently, avoided voting Katsuki all day yesterday, and hasn't produced content in ages.
The last content she did produce was in defense of Katsuki too.

Well sorry for asking why a slot you have been pushing about as passively as humanly possible is so obviously scum despite you being the only one to still be pushing it.

[Ankamius]

Untrod Tripod is scum. SirCakez could be scum. Maestro could be scum. zMuffinman could be scum. This is roughly in read-strength order.

I'm thinking PeregrineV is town now. DGB is town. CKD is probably town. Iraonavp is leaning town. Froot Loop is leaning town by virtue of how I'm seeing the gamestate presently.

I literally can't remember a single thing Vedith or Kraska have done all game.

[Ankamius]

The fact that I put all my reads in one post should be enough indication that I'm pretty certain I'm going to be lynched today.

Congrats on the third lazy lynch in a row, I guess.

[Ankamius]

Although I will say that there's no way this wagon was started by only town. No way in hell.

[Ankamius]

If I'm wrong and this wagon was town driven, then town really doesn't deserve to win this game.

[Ankamius]

I would've claimed if it was anything remotely important.

[Ankamius]

No idea. Only thing that makes sense is that something changed after my 1v1 with muffin, but there's not much I can do with that without knowing more about why.

[Ankamius]

Like I said, the only thing that makes sense is that something changed after my 1v1 with muffin.

[Ankamius]

And right when we switch from Ank to FL, he tries to throw his hands up in the air and pass on the gamestate.

CKD?

[Ankamius]

also i smiled at the "third lazy lynch in a row" comment, given what he's been doing with his vote this game and the flip yesterday

Yeah, it's about as funny as assuming a lynch on scum can't be lazy.

[Ankamius]

well (a) there is a froot loop wagon (albeit small) and enough people have expressed interest in it that it's certainly viable, and (b) ankamius's statements are dumb because it's incredibly likely (just due to numbers) that every wagon in this game is going to be town-driven, because even if scum is on them, they don't really need to strongly push anything unless they're in danger themselves so still probably town-driven (unless by "town-driven" he means "all town", but that's not what driven actually means)

and even if he means "all town" by "town-driven", that's still a dumb assumption

e.g. let's take a look at the nightingale game and some of the wagons that happened there when scum was one man down... from day two alone:

Salamence20 [7] - TellTaleHeart, lalaladucks, Oversoul, Katsuki, grapes, Muffin(x2)
^ all town

Katsuki [7] - farside22, Salamence20(x2), Muffin(x2), Kagami, Nachomamma8
^ all town on an innocent child

Salamence20 [8] - TellTaleHeart, Oversoul, Katsuki, grapes, Nachomamma8, lalaladucks, Mac, Brian Skies [LYNCH]
^ still all town even with the town double-voter not on the wagon

that's not always going to be the case, obviously, but people who can't do wagon analysis need to stop pretending they know what they're talking about. it's probably 10:2 atm so most wagons that pop up are going to be overwhelmingly town-driven, if not entirely so. this is more the case if maestro is actually town since he makes up 2/7 of every wagon he's on. "oh, there's got to be scum here, it doesn't make sense otherwise" - give a good reason why it has to be the case or fuck off and come back when you know how to play the game

also i smiled at the "third lazy lynch in a row" comment, given what he's been doing with his vote this game and the flip yesterday

btw

Where did you get the idea that I analyzed the wagon?

[Ankamius]

zzz

[Ankamius]

Mad Hatter - Madman - VT

Muffin's next.

[Ankamius]

Untrod Tripod is scum. SirCakez could be scum. Maestro could be scum. zMuffinman could be scum. This is roughly in read-strength order.

I'm thinking PeregrineV is town now.

DGB

is town. CKD is probably town. Iraonavp is leaning town.

Froot Loop

is leaning town by virtue of how I'm seeing the gamestate presently.

I literally can't remember a single thing

Vedith

or Kraska have done all game.

I need to reorganize myself, Froot Loop flipping scum means my view of the gamestate at the end of the day was off.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, claim your result. There's literally no reason not to in this situation if you're telling the truth.

[Ankamius]

Nah, PV's likely town.

[Ankamius]

Considering he specifically said the guilty was on somebody that wasn't listed in this post, that would be a bit of a mindfuck.

[Ankamius]

I'm not going to lynch him today, but Maestro is not obviously town in the slightest.

[Ankamius]

Bro, I'm Town. Nobody's going to entertain lynching me today. The fact that you're voting me confirms I'm not insane. Cakez is right; if you really were Town as well you'd have went straight to the conclusion that I'm Paranoid and got a Guilty on you by accident.

This post is making me wonder.

[Ankamius]

Where was it confirmed that there is only one scum left, exactly?

[Ankamius]

Only thing I'm going to say is that I don't want a bodyguard on Muffin. I'd rather whoever was going to be put on him be put on UT instead.

[Ankamius]

And before someone decides to throw bullshit at me, my reasoning is entirely because Muffin has yet to give any indication to me that he's town this game and I'm really suspicious that he's scum with Maestro (which is the only way I can see him as scum now). I suspect that if they are in fact a scumteam, the bodyguard on Muffin will be directly killed as an excuse to try to indicate his innocence.

[Ankamius]

Muffin: What is your actual case on UT?

[Ankamius]

Muffin: What is your actual case on UT?

that i think he's more likely scum than other people

since when do you care about cases

A combination of:

1. Our reads are different
2. Partially because of #1, You did something drastically different from what I was expecting
3. Partially because of #2, my view of the gamestate is shifting
4. As a result of #3, I want to reshift my reads to better match my new view of the gamestate
5. Because I know you're not an idiot so I want to know if you're seeing something I'm not.

[Ankamius]

Aaaaand TTH completely redeemed that slot.

I'm comfortable lynching that slot now; the only other slots I don't have a strong townread on at this point are Maestro and Iraonavp.

VOTE: Kraska

[Ankamius]

I can't really say I'm proud of this win. It really felt like town won more because the scumteam didn't do a very good job of looking town more than town actually playing well.

[Ankamius]

That replace in by TTH was beautiful, though.

[Ankamius]

TNE and Maestro really threw me off with how they played their role before Maestro claimed; if either had paid more attention to Katsuki before the lynch had gone through, I most likely would have gotten to the same page as everyone else. The fact that Maestro/TNE's play looked contradictory to what Maestro claimed as well as the way Muffin was trying to direct things around it made me really leery about them being a scumteam.

[Ankamius]

I generally like being wagoned as town when I'm not very involved in the game since it's generally a really easy way to get reads. The only thing I was actually upset about until the very end of the day was that the wagon wasn't disappearing.