Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Heartless

It is after the summer solstice, so it's appropriate to say winter is coming.

[KuroiXHF]

So who plays the horse... and when can we ride them?

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Heartless

By the first episode, Bran was well known for being a trickster, adventuring through climbing trees and such. He is no innocent child.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh hey cakez is here. I have a bone to pick with you after you tricked me as scum in DC mafia

[KuroiXHF]

I am

SW vote was really crap

and your vote was RVS the last time I checked.

I mean SW vote was like a scum who wants to jump on easy wagon. I asked who he is cuase if he knows me that won't be the case at all. but he completly ignored it.

I don't like rando crap defense on me in page one too.

Talk about getting serious very fast.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: frozen angel
Serious vote

serious shit

whats your case

You're flipping your shit over a RVS wagon three pages into the game.

Yeah. You know what? SirCakez was pretty much articulating what I didn't like. VOTE: Frozen Angel Demanding a case like we're sitting on piles of evidence in a game on its third game sounds preposterous.

I'm fine with voting her until someone scummier comes along.

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

Wait. I didn't see how many votes were already on her.

[KuroiXHF]

I scared the fuck out of myself. I thought this was a micro game, because Radja does a lot of micro games.

If it was, I would have just killed Frozen Angel.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Kuroi

This isn't RVS anymore, sweetheart.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Kuroi

This isn't RVS anymore, sweetheart.

My vote ain't random

Then that means you have suspicion I'm scum. What are they?

[KuroiXHF]

Cakez is town I think

So he gets a response, but I don't.

You're accountable for your words, Wisdom.

[KuroiXHF]

I disagree with the Cakez wagon and I don't understand the Square wagon.

[KuroiXHF]

kuroi is looking lynchbaity like usual and I would not lynch there today

Why does everyone think this?

[KuroiXHF]

also kuroi is pretty confirmably lynchbaity.

this is true

he's also :scumposting:

What do you mean by scum posting? Are you suggesting that while I'm lynchbaity, I'm still scum here?

Frozen

your overreaction

my overreaction where

LMFAO! Did she really fucking just ask that?

[KuroiXHF]

yes I fucking asked that

look at the timings of the events

Your early play is an overreaction. That's why SirCakez noticed it. That's why I've noticed it.

At Heartless - please elaborate.

[KuroiXHF]

Can we slow this down?

[KuroiXHF]

I am

SW vote was really crap

and your vote was RVS the last time I checked.

I mean SW vote was like a scum who wants to jump on easy wagon. I asked who he is cuase if he knows me that won't be the case at all. but he completly ignored it.

I don't like rando crap defense on me in page one too.

I'm not telling you how to play
If you were town I doubt you would have made such a fuss over the votes essentially

I am town

and I have fuss over a growing wagon on town out of RVS . whats your problem with this ? your just being illogical and shit or your just scum abusing the situation.

wanna read me ask questions

your not trying to do that at all and your just accusing me for being scum for my fucking reactionary persona

I'm at L2 btw

and i'm not at all scummy

you guys are all pretty much informed how reactionary I am and you guys know your case on me is crap.

pedit : L3 again

@Heartless remove your vote from I'm like so town

You overreact nearly every post. Sometimes you overreact by a little, sometimes a lot. I'm also concerned the amount of times you try to tell people you're town.

[KuroiXHF]

Scumreading people on your wagon and calling someone lynchbait aren't AI, it's not rocket science

so why you LOL'ed at me when I started scumreading you and you got more sure about your scumread on me?

oh w8 your not scumreading me. its just absolute shitshow <3

@Kuroi I always tell people I'm town. whats your point?

My point is the frequency at which you repeat these notions places me into an emotionally and neurologically distorted state which does not appear to indemnify you of your suspected deeds.

[KuroiXHF]

There ya go.

But for your information, we get so riled up because you effectively demand some sort of huge evidence pile because we vote you. By freaking out, it makes... well, at least me, to want to vote you just that much more.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry, wrong word. I saw a lot of people commenting on Square. I think a lot of people don't like him, even though few people are voting them.

I just don't understand why, though.

[KuroiXHF]

Do you feel he's actually contributed anything worthwhile to the game? If so, what?

That wasn't what I was asking. Levels of contribution isn't really alignment indicative, especially early on day one.

[KuroiXHF]

Wisdom - Why bother asking Heartless about their reveal? What does that do to get you information about scum? Also, why the Kuroi vote?

It was an expression of annoyance

Kuroi felt scummy and similar to the last time he was scum

VOTE: Wisdom Vague and disappointing. Wisdom isn't known for being incompetent so I'll do him a favor and expect a defect in his morality and not his competency.

[KuroiXHF]

why is your wisdom read so terrible kuroi.
:s

As in why is my outlook of him so terrible? It's because Wisdom is articulated and uses logic when arguing. He's not even giving me reasons. He's citing nothing.

[KuroiXHF]

he really doesnt.
wisdom giving naked reads is like.. so unbelievably standard for him q.q

I've played with Wisdom when he's been town and I've been scum. I've also been scumbuddies with him before.

Do yourself a favor and dont "wisdom does x"

You know what?

That's actually a fair request. I won't say it, but I'll think it and when I vote you, I'll have more than that.

[KuroiXHF]

well thats transparent of you.

p-edit: so what im gathering from you is that you dont read wisdom's posts.

See. Now you're not paying attention.

[KuroiXHF]

Is there an error or can Wisdom really vote two different people at once?

My bad! When Wisdom voted shaddowez, I deleted shaddowez's vote instead of Wisdom's. Apologies. I fixed it.

[KuroiXHF]

:'D

i know im the worst

kuroi's still scum in case anyone's interested

Incorrect. I was scum but the Alignment Fairy waved her magic wand and now I'm town.

SW is town, random

pedit: and so is kuroi

wis
wis
wis

before this game really gets going
i just want to say
i don't want to fight you
i want to be friends

Heartless is such a nice person. She does appear want to be Wisdom's buddy.

ScumCakez, why you aren't voting your scumread?

Fair question.

[KuroiXHF]

Yes he does, his posts are garbage
I'm 99% sure who's behind the alt and they would never post like this as town

This is sad because I was initially town-reading Cakez, but this post seems like someone trying to argue himself out of being lynched, as opposed to finding scum.

[KuroiXHF]

I was speaking more about the first sentence than the second.
Have you seen the vote count?

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry about this, folks. Long day. I will get caught up tonight

[KuroiXHF]

That's the issue. People who try too hard to be perfect are likely scum.

I take it the reason you think I'm town is because you think I'm scummy.

how to catch scum:

1. type:

Code: Select all

[vote]

2. write "shaddowez" right after
3. finish with

Code: Select all

[/vote]

4. ta-da

Okay. I now understand the Square World wagon.

mhsmith0 replaces Franky

Welcome!

Are you fucking serious, wisdom. You are scum reading them for NOT being scummy? That is a fucking fallacy and you should know that. How DONT you know that?

I can understand Dwlee questioning Wisdom. I just don't understand the rise in apparent anger. This appears artificial.

Give me some reads on people not Cakez, for reasons having nothing to do with Cakez

Wait, what? That's like saying, "I'm going to tell the jury how the defendant murdered the victim without actually talking about the defendant or his actions."

Majin Buu

lolz

[KuroiXHF]

Maybe you wouldn't be so sick if you weren't heartless? lol

*ba dum tsss*

Preview Edit: SERIOUSLY? Fucking poor timing.

[KuroiXHF]

Eh, I'm not doing well on this overnight. I went back to reread that statement that I replied to. I thought you said, "I want you to make reads on Cakez that have nothing to do with Cakez."

I must be going crazy.

[KuroiXHF]

wtf am I still voting Wisdom?

VOTE: Dwlee

Being hormonal "af" isn't a good excuse for you. If you're legitimately not feeling well enough to play, you should replace out. Otherwise, I'm going to treat it as a scumtell.

[KuroiXHF]

Otherwise, I'm going to treat it as a scumtell.

What is "it"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG_k5CSYKhg (1:50)


(Seriously, the answer to your question is Dwlee's overreactions.

[KuroiXHF]

You're hugging someone on the toilet? I know it's not alignment indicative or anything, but... eh, why?

[KuroiXHF]

No. You are being pushed because you WERE hormonal. Someone poked you and instead of saying, "Oh," you screamed.

And are you really going to use puberty as an excuse?

[KuroiXHF]

Busy day today. I did a quick skim and know that I have a lot to respond to, and I'll do a full one tomorrow.

The one thing I'll respond to right now is that I didn't revote Frozen Angel because I know that even though my vote wouldn't lynch her, it would bring it dangerously close. I want pressure on her, but I'm not going to have her killed just yet.

[KuroiXHF]

It's easy to skip over her long rants. I don't think he's just trying to start drama.

And now beginning my long post.

[KuroiXHF]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65280
read this

I really feel that all this really is, is a reservoir of manipulated meta for an event like this.

gladiate MHSMITH

He dies today/ VOTE: smith

I kind of already want to lynch you.

UNVOTE:

Wait. I didn't see how many votes were already on her.

I scared the fuck out of myself. I thought this was a micro game, because Radja does a lot of micro games.

If it was, I would have just killed Frozen Angel.

So wrt kuroi, IMO this incident either basically derp-clears him or is completely fake. Like, does kuroi make these kinds of posts as a wolf? Anyone here familiar w his meta and range when he's a wolf?

PS Notably, wisdom quick-voted kuroi right after this, which implies that wisdom thought it was fake. Wisdom, why did you think this was fake by kuroi?

What do you mean by Wolf?
And I don't think Wisdom responded to this?

vote: kuroi

sure.

Here's the thing that bothers me - Gorkington is Cheetory, right? If so, he's smart enough than to simply sheep.

Hmm... Well, I guess I'll think on it. I agree that 75 looks off, and I'll look at the other points. OTOH, I just finished a game where kuroi's slot was the D1 lynch, so I'm a bit nervous about him just being lynchbaity. I'll try to compare this one to that one and see if there are any good parallels or not.

FYI from one player to another - you shouldn't mention ongoing games.

I dont like how kuroi abandonded our discussion.

I didn't abandon our discussion. I don't like how you've simply rushed to this discussion.

i mean, am scared to push you.
doesnt mean i dont feel like your last three pushes havent left a bad taste in my mouth.

Town-reading this, but god damn it, there's no need to be afraid.

this is enough

cake is scum

will rant about it late game

the role in this slot is pretty much confirmable so there's that.

I'm not replacing out for tactical reasons

I'm done with this game

I ask o replace out

you know what? cuase you have problem with my activity level and you don't count me as a human being.

I'm better off

Part of me is town reading Frozen's spot AS LONG AS she goes through with this.

[KuroiXHF]

Alright. Well you did technically answer, but not to the extent that I'd like.
If that's not why you voted me, why did you vote me?

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi felt scummy and similar to the last time he was scum

When you say last time I was scum, which game as you referring to? Do you mean Pokemon Episode 2, when we were scum together or are you talking about the ASOIAF theme-game when I was scum? (I've played only one GoT theme game and I was scum in that game. My GoT games aren't looking well for me seeing as I was scum in 100% of them.)

lel i just quoted 222 in 888

lulz

[KuroiXHF]

My GoT games aren't looking well for me seeing as I was scum in 100% of them.)

I guess that's a scumclaim?

It's definitely a scumclaim to my slot in that theme-game, yes.

[KuroiXHF]

I actually have 12 lel
I can trade 3 to track a person as well
Heartless is confirmed town btw

How is he confirmed?
Like, Jesus. Frozen Angel's slot isn't even confirmed.

[KuroiXHF]

No. I just have a shitty memory.
I forgot about that.

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Kuroi is town.

NO HE'S NOT. BEEBOY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. LYNCH HI-

Oh wait. You said town?
You've never said that before.

...the fuck have you been smoking?

[KuroiXHF]

Oh, that's right.

[KuroiXHF]

FYI from one player to another - you shouldn't mention ongoing games.

From one player to another, that's why I said the game was finished (which it was).

You know what? We're thinking of two different games. I just realized you were talking about Stack The Deck. I was thinking about a different one.

[KuroiXHF]

will catch up here manana

You spelled banana wrong.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm beginning to get the feeling that smith is defending/whiteknighting me by his defense. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

[KuroiXHF]

His constant pressure on Square's scum read on me.

Yeah, I throw the risk of shade-throwing, but I think he might be. It seemed less of trying to understand the reason for Square's reads and more of coming to my rescue.

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His constant pressure on Square's scum read on me.

Yeah, I throw the risk of shade-throwing, but I think he might be. It seemed less of trying to understand the reason for Square's reads and more of coming to my rescue.

You think my focus of my questioning of square was his read of you? Walk me through how you got that impression; I was questioning him on a lot of things.

I thought it may be. You've asked about other reads, but in every single post from you within that whole interaction, I was mentioned. Plus, I never said I was the only one being protected.

And besides it's not like Square is voting you or like you're in any danger
Why would you need "rescuing"?

Exactly. I didn't. The only thing I was worried about was any planting seeds so that if something happened to me, he could have said, "Well I knew he was town!"

[KuroiXHF]

Can we please just talk about SirCakez avoiding the banana discussion?

I think this is alignment indicator behavior.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: beeboy

sorry, i have to bus you

This feels artificial and fake. There has to be some sort of disconnect because I don't know where he went from before all the way to voting Beeboy.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Square World

Yeah. I honestly believe Beeboy is town and I'm not liking the latest of Square World.

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I feel like Kuroi is either playing a grating and weird town game or a very respectable scum game.

The bitch in me says it's the former, but the kindhearted, generous nurturer in me wants to say the latter.

Regardless of my alignment, when the fuck have I ever played anything in a respectable way?

[KuroiXHF]

Quite the sheepfest. My wagon comes from saying that the Beeboy wagon is complete crap?

Or do you know nothing about Frozen Angel being totally town and yet there's a wagon on her slot.

[KuroiXHF]

OK. I'm kind of back. I'll try to spend this shift tonight in order to catch up.

[KuroiXHF]

I forgot to put a V/LA but I see I haven't even been prodded yet. Very nice.

OK, so that means Heartless were likely targeted and that tells us nothing.

Excellent.

OR someone targeted Beeboy. At the risk of a WIFOM, if scum knew about what GoT is all about (as they should), a protective/healing role should have been expected.

VOTE: Kuroi

BBT, talk me through that kuroi vote. What convinced you to push there? I look at your ISO and literally the first time you even mentioned him was with that vote. Or, did something convince you thta Square was NOT a wolf?

Out of the two, Kuroi was the much better option.

No it wasn't.

I'm waiting for an apology from hippy before I go on because he's been really rude and condescending this game for a reason that eludes me.

For telling you your reads are shit? You're that sensitive that mere words incapacitate you?

And yeah, your reads aren't that good. Sorry.

[KuroiXHF]

What do you mean by the underlined?

I'm assuming you've seen GoT before. If you have, you know that there are people who are there to protect their family. There are people with swords and know how to use them. I'm even expecting, considering Radja's Pokemon games, that even some of the direwolves could be protectors here. I mean, why don't people see this?

Hi. You can stop being an ass too. Please tell me what that's doing to further the game? Oh, nothing? Right. Stop it.

Get some thicker skin. I wasn't abusing people. I'm telling Heartless that their reads could use some work. How does this further the game? How about think more and not use your confbias throughout the game. I'm not apologizing. Mafia isn't about holding hands and I could have said this A LOT harsher. I didn't.

You're welcome.

I can't believe you felt the need to butt in on that yet I know so little about

your

reads this game, Kuroi.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8133694 Here ya go. Any questions?

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, please sign, Third Wheels.

I want to know if you guys are scum or if one of it's just one of your heads.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't know if it was TTH or Antihero. Either way, I know they're both adults. If they can't handle people saying that they're not doing something right, then they should definitely not play this game. With this said, I adore both TTH and Antihero.

And "You know what they say when you assume" is asinine and hypocritical, considering your other lines. Fine, you've never seen an episode. I do suggest you watch at least the first episode.

I mean, I suggest you watch the entire series because it's amazing but the first episode would let you understand some of what's going on.

And why aren't you signing?

[KuroiXHF]

This post is equal to seven words.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: BBT

Please stop pushing me. People will start thinking that you're bussing me.

[KuroiXHF]

Yo dude Im trying but all Ive had this day phase is wisdom being dumb and then you being bad at meta diving and I dont think that is very alignment indicative.

That's the prob. You're trying way too hard.

I think vote count 6 makes random scum

Ya got me, one VC proves I'm scum.

Sarcasm isn't doing a good job.

I think vote count 6 makes random scum

Ya got me, one VC proves I'm scum.

see he even admitted it

Heartless, you can do better than this.

[KuroiXHF]

It's in my pocket. I really want to vote Dwlee, but I'm not sure if it's just the fourteen year old in him I want to vote.

And there's a lot on Randomidget, but it seems too easy.

[KuroiXHF]

Fair enough.

VOTE: randomidget

[KuroiXHF]

idk, that argument has me thinking shaddow is scum again. He stretches on word semantics to arrive at the great conclusion I was tunneling him.. which in the end is null.

Pffft I do the same thing. I think you're trying to throw shade because he vtoted you

[KuroiXHF]

Faulty logic. According to you, I'm a goofball, thus I always goof around. At the same time, Shadowwez is not a goofball and he never goofs around. I'm not sure if this is buddying, or manipulation - but it's definitely something.

And on that note, I'm definitely less secure about my Heartless vote.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm definitely less secure about my Heartless vote.

see what I mean? You don't remember who you're voting

LOL. Yeah, I meant Random.

[KuroiXHF]

Heartless, you can do better than this.

i was being sarcastic, but only a little

i really do think the way he responded (attacking the evidence instead of the accusation itself) is more indicative of a guilty person

I'm town. Happy now?

Yes. That settles that.

VOTE: Randomidget

[KuroiXHF]

Question: Who here thinks Randomidget and Dwlee are bussing?

I don't, but I really have no idea why I'm following dwlee if he's scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh. That must clear things up. Especially since scum never lie.

[KuroiXHF]

Question: Who here thinks Randomidget and Dwlee are bussing?

I don't, but I really have no idea why I'm following dwlee if he's scum.

im not really sure what youre trying to say here?

I'm trying to see what the possibility is of Dwlee and Randomidget both being on the same team here, both as scum.
Then again, I can't see them both as scum, but like you said, Dwlee busses hardcore.

I don't think he's lying about being a tracker

UNVOTE: I actually don't either and now that there's a claim, especially a believable one, I think he can live now. I can actually and totally buy Radja putting in a tracker/watcher combo instead of a cop.

he could be mafia tracker

I don't buy town has a tracker on top of everything else

But I don't buy a scum tracker because I don't really think this is role madness, with everyone visiting everyone else.

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But I don't buy a scum tracker because I don't really think this is role madness, with everyone visiting everyone else.

nobody said it's role madness

No, but I got the hint someone suggested it was role madness. If scum had tracker, that would mean that town would have a bunch of roles, where we could just visit for any reason.

I don't think this is so.

[KuroiXHF]

watcher + bodyguard + vig + whatever else we have are not enough for you?

I don't get it. You said in your last post that no one is saying it's role madness, which suggests you don't believe it either, but this post suggests that you believe it is.

You can't have it both ways, Wisdom.

[KuroiXHF]

watcher + bodyguard + vig + whatever else we have are not enough for you?

I don't get it. You said in your last post that no one is saying it's role madness, which suggests you don't believe it either, but this post suggests that you believe it is.

You can't have it both ways, Wisdom.

do you know what role madness is?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Madness
Yeah?

[KuroiXHF]

I was also thinking about the other point that you said, Heartless, but it doesn't add up to me. I mean, sure. It adds up in the sense that it balances power, but it still makes no sense for a tracker to see where town would go if town has no one else other than a vig to track.

[KuroiXHF]

Eh, I don't do well in the mornings. I just spaced out that the watcher and bodyguard have to target someone for their ability to work.

VOTE: Randomidget

[KuroiXHF]

Welcome back, everyone.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Wisdom You have some 'splainin to do.

[KuroiXHF]

Actually. UNVOTE:
It's not lylo, is it?

[KuroiXHF]

vig should claim today to prevent a lylo counter claim lol

I disagree with this. The vig shouldn't claim. They'd only die tonight and I'm not sure if their kill would go through.

[KuroiXHF]

Actually, yeah. The vig should claim. If we mislynch, we'd have four and if the vig kills someone and scum shoot someone else, we'd have two, which would be an instant scum win should they survive.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Wisdom You have some 'splainin to do.

did i miss something?

You're going to want to read the whole Wisdom v Shadowwez deal from yesterday. They tried to get each other lynched.

[KuroiXHF]

okay.
so your thought was "wisdom might be scum because he shot shaddow" while heartless body is sitting over there?
>.>

I don't know who shot who, although I'm thinking Wisdom killed Heartless and then the vig killed Shadowwez because they bought into Wisdom's arguments.
It makes sense to me. Heartless was the innocent child.

[KuroiXHF]

I only have a quick second before I'm off to work.

Dwlee, tl;dr, you think Wisdom is scum?

Preview Edit: Did you just hammer yourself?

[KuroiXHF]

Dwlee, this is just disappointing. You're going from, "Well my guess is that People A and B could be mafia..." to "Fuck, everyone else could be mafia too. I don't have any useful reads."

Quit stating the obvious. None of us are Heartless. We aren't innocent children. Any of us could be scum.

And Wisdom, your whole argument of "Shaddow knows better." You were trying to get his lynch because he voted you. You OMGYS'd him.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Wisdom You have some 'splainin to do.

What did he have to explain? Suspicion on shadow or something else?

If you read, you'll see exactly what I'm trying to say.

[KuroiXHF]

I WANT to read wisdom as town but his interactions regarding me are so bad it is like everything EXCEPT his posting about me makes me think he is tow

what exactly about his interactions regarding you are bad.

the way every day he is just like "Dwlee is town cause of blahblahblah yea dwlee is def town" but then the next day he is scum reading me again.

So why aren't you voting him or Smith, just in case Radja doesn't lynch you?

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi youre making no sense. shaddow looked like scum who wanted to paint me as scummy.

I think you're just pushing me off to the side.

[KuroiXHF]

I think I should put up a reads list:

{Gorkington} - Either really good at flying under the radar or town
{mhsmith0} - Not 100% sure.
{Dwlee99} - I've been scum reading all game, but I really don't know how to take this post-possible-lynch talk. Frankly, I didn't like how I had to push Dwlee for a decent read and I'm pretty sure, knowing Radja, that he wouldn't take that coding error as a legitimate self-hammer.
{Wisdom} - I'm pretty certain in my theory regarding him killing Heartless and then vig killing Shaddowez, putting him in this awkward position. I honestly think he's playing everyone else too.

At this point, I'm more or less comfortable lynching Dwlee or Wisdom - and if this isn't lylo, I'm almost certain scum is in one of these two, which would be an assured town win. But we also have the full day phase to take advantage of, so we shouldn't be in any rush.

[KuroiXHF]

And to put this in perspective - Gorkington is lean town, Smith is null and Dwlee and Wisdom are probably living on the town line between lean scum and scum.

[KuroiXHF]

if you have smith as null how are you certain about me/dwlee being safe

Safe as in what? You mean safe to assume you're scum?

[KuroiXHF]

I used the term "almost certain" as in I don't know but I'm not going to fight my intuition.

[KuroiXHF]

I mean as far as my feelings go, im kinda proud of never getting mislynches, so it's a bit annoying, but I also recognize I haven't played great so *shrugs*. I'm also kinda curious who really thinks it's me as who is just coasting along for the ride.

So you're my complete opposite. I get mislynched all the fucking time.

[KuroiXHF]

If I get my research paper finished tomorrow, I'll try to get a deep game-read done, but it's most likely going to be Wednesday or Thursday.

[KuroiXHF]

Anti? Are you a hydra or is there something I'm missing?

[KuroiXHF]

Ugh, I completely forgot about Heartless. No, I knew about that. I just forgot. Sorry, I'm overworked and under- well, I won't go there.

[KuroiXHF]

And the only derp I've actually ever done this game was forgetting that Antihero was part of Heartless. Point to me something else I've done. I'm sick of being brushed off to the side. You and Wisdom have done this, and belittling me is really getting annoying.

[KuroiXHF]

And the only derp I've actually ever done this game was forgetting that Antihero was part of Heartless. Point to me something else I've done. I'm sick of being brushed off to the side. You and Wisdom have done this, and belittling me is really getting annoying.

dude you derp all the time. Dont make me paranoid youre doing it on purpose now

No, I don't. No, I'm not. Regardless, it's irrelevant when you brush my arguments aside because "Oh it's Kuroi." Treat me like any other player. I can take it.

And surely you guys know the flavor of this game. There's more likely to be a vig than a SK. I mean, I thought the scum in this game would be Cersei and Jaime, but if white walkers were scum, who would the SK be? You think it'd be Jaime?

[KuroiXHF]

Everyone's here and no one is stepping up.

I'm going back on my original vote because that's more useful than sitting on our hands.

VOTE: Wisdom

[KuroiXHF]

Or y'know... we don't

have

to find scum.

[KuroiXHF]

have nothing to offer.
i dont roll scum on this account.
:/

You've had this account since my sister's birthday in 2014 (almost two year) and you've NEVER been scum?

[KuroiXHF]

At this moment, I'm starting to prefer being lynched and not being belittled as opposed to this alternative.

[KuroiXHF]

Wrt flavor, I'm somewhat in favor of a mass claim of "major character" or "not a major character". Major characters being Starks, the king, lannisters, daenerys, etc. Would rather survey opinion on it first though. Does anyone have a solid reason for objecting?

I am not objecting to this. I see no reason why any town would object. With no clears (let's be honest, Gork could be scum) and it being so late in the game, I think now may be as good a time as any.

At this moment, I'm starting to prefer being lynched and not being belittled as opposed to this alternative.

I'm sorry for being a jerk about it, btw. But it was, to me, an indicative moment. You forgot how many players there were in the game, and it's really hard to do this as a wolf in the setup. If you think you had something else that is strongly indicative I'd be happy to talk about it instead.

I don't think you're intending on being a jerk. I think it's more circumstantial and I'm upset at the circumstances. No hard feeling, and I'm sure I'd be the greatest jerk if I was in your place. It's kind of what I do.

[KuroiXHF]

Wisdom (5) - KuroiXHF

wat

I'm a day four quintiple voter. What's so hard to understand?
It's my special ability.

I see your special ability is you need six votes to be lynched.

[KuroiXHF]

The downside is it might tell scum who the vig is, duh

I don't think that's a downside. The vig could still shoot scum, even if shot.

[KuroiXHF]

They almost certainly have a fake claim. When Wisdom and I were scum in Pokemon Episode Two mafia, we were both given fake claims.

[KuroiXHF]

The upside is it locks a wolf into "im a major character" or "I'm not", which slightly restricts his options going forward.

And? They have a fakeclaim anyway.

They do presumably have a fake claim. But a wolf might make play for a better fake claim in LYLO after more flips. Again, what's the downside?

Edit: why do you think being a major character (or not) is pr indicative? Prs have been:
A stark /major character (bran)
A character named in the flavor (will)
A non major character (bg)

I'd think it's not indicative at this point tbh, at least at the level I'm talking about.

No. Please do NOT think of it like that. Being major or not does NOT make a difference. My fake claim was Nurse Joy, a relatively well known character in that episode. Radja doesn't give the scraps.

[KuroiXHF]

yet you know that and favor smith's bullshit?

More than I do yours, yeah. Plus, with your strategy, there wouldn't be a clear. Scum would just claim vig.

[KuroiXHF]

While with smith's strategy there will be a clear how?

I'm not saying there will be a clear with his strategy, but there's not going to be a clear either way. Let's say we go through with your strategy and we don't claim. Then we mislynch someone tonight. Tomorrow, we'll have one of us will say, "I'm the vig!" And then scum will say, "I'm the vig!"

There's no risk to scum because either way, there'll be a 50% chance of mislynch but the power goes from the PR to the VT.

[KuroiXHF]

Tomorrow, we'll have one of us will say, "I'm the vig!" And then scum will say, "I'm the vig!"

The one remaining will be conftown in this case.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[KuroiXHF]

God damn it.

UNVOTE:

[KuroiXHF]

Sure, but if the game doesn't end today and the vig isn't shot, we have a conftown in 3p lylo

unless the vig is an sk :I

A) we probably already lose in this case.
B) why is this your focus the last 2-3 days?

because I think the setup is 9 - 2 - 1 and there is an sk out there but everyone is trying to use association tells

This isn't adding up to me.

There were TWO kills last night. Are you telling me the scum is gone and there's a SK AND a vig?

[KuroiXHF]

...why would it matter if I counted your vote as a vote? I'm not the mod.

[KuroiXHF]

You're thinking about me, though. Unless you want to go on a date with me, I think you're considering lynching me.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm going nuts. I could be going paranoid, but it really seems like I caught him in a scum slip.

VOTE: Dwlee

[KuroiXHF]

I mean if I knew for a fact kuroi wouldn't count that vote I could attempt something like that but I think it is pretty clear I thought I just self-hammered thee.

[KuroiXHF]

i dont get it

He used my name instead of Radja's because I was in his subconscious. So either he thought of me because he suspects me or quite possibly, he plans to do something with me. And he's brushing it off by using his age as an excuse.

And this isn't the first time this game he's done that either.

[KuroiXHF]

have you ever seen scum do that ever.
why are you forcing me to question you on your scumread on my strongest scumread kuroi.
q.q

Like I said, I'm probably paranoid, but it's troubling me how often Dwlee would use the "I'm a teeny bopper card."

How many passes does he get with that?

[KuroiXHF]

it's just that attractive avatar
I'm sorry (

It's a juvenile response. It's not-not a teen card because you didn't say "I'm a teen."

[KuroiXHF]

V/LA for a day

I just lost it.

[KuroiXHF]

This is him placating you until he tells you to fuck off.

[KuroiXHF]

I just have emotional stuff, it isn't enough to replace out but yea..

but idk dude, smith wisdom kuroi.
if one of those is a vigilante then it is one of two of those which makes this an auto win unless somehow you're faking all of ur posting that makes me think you're town

Alright, I'm going to come at you with something not game related at all.

Your personal life is important. It's damn well more important than a game like this. If you got shit to do. If you need to take care of family or take care of yourself, do it. Ten years down the road, you'd kick yourself more in the ass for missing out on some game rather than doing something or not doing something you should/shouldn't do because you pushed yourself with this game when it's too much.

But this is a fun game and if you want to play, we'd love to have you.

But even though this is a game, we take it seriously. And if I feel that I can't play some sort of game, I replace out. I don't like doing it, but sometimes it's necessary. When I play, I play hard. So if you do decide that you want to play this game, from the bottom of my heart, I want you here. But that also means I want you to stop using your personal attacks in telling me to fuck off, be a big boy, and get shit done.

[KuroiXHF]

if you're going to make comments about my V/LA I'm most certainly going to tell you to fuck off

I don't care if you tell me to fuck off once, twice, a million times or not at all. It takes more than mere words to get under my skin.

But my only opinions in that regard is what I've already said. If you want to play, wonderful. Let's find scum. But if I think you're scum (and yes, right now I do,) I don't want to hear anything about anything outside of the game.

[KuroiXHF]

Fine. Let's put it behind us. You're here now. Scum hunt.

[KuroiXHF]

I thought I posted this, but I'll be back tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

I want to respond, but won't have time until tonight.

[KuroiXHF]

vote: kuroi

Naked votes - wonderful.

vote: kuroi

why do you think it's kuroi?

because i feel its you or him.
and at this point im more unhappy at the idea of losing to him.

heres my case:

because i feel its you or him.
and at this point im more unhappy at the idea of losing to him.

pretty good right.
im tired of this game.
if scum is dwlee or wisdom then they probably win because
a) im not unvoting kuroi today.
b) im only voting you tomorrow if kuroi doesnt flip scum now.

thats my game plan for the rest of the game.
hope that clears things up.

So for those of who don't know - and I'm trying not to envelope the entire game into these shenanigans, half of Mafiascum has decided to hate me within the next few days. And I'm not even really bothered over this, but I'm not going to lose this game because of personal reasons. If I'm scum, show me something scummy I did. But if you don't like me and want to vote me out of that dislike, you're not playing to your win condition; you're voting so that I would lose, not so that you would win.

honestly.

vote: smith

thats just such a terrible question to be asking at this stage.

How so? I don't know why Wisdom is just auto-town.

Re reading game again...

I'm going to post this, then I'm going to follow suit.

Since it's a annoying wall o text ill spoiler...

Spoiler: wall

I can understand Dwlee questioning Wisdom. I just don't understand the rise in apparent anger. This appears artificial.

Im hormonal af tbh

wtf am I still voting Wisdom?

VOTE: Dwlee

Being hormonal "af" isn't a good excuse for you. If you're legitimately not feeling well enough to play, you should replace out. Otherwise, I'm going to treat it as a scumtell.

So this is where Kuroi pushes dwlee essentially for his bbt push on d1.

What does his vote being second have to do with it? Wisdom's push on Gork was bad, but looked town. Dwlee looks like he saw the opportunity to push a player who could be a threat and it's very easy to sit behind Wisdom whilst he does the pushing.

Dwlee showed no interest in voting Gork until Wisdom started pushing. It was an icky vote.

He clearly did though.
People are trying to push this Dwlee wagon really hard which is weird.

a weird turnabout from random from his early stated scum read on dwlee. Could be dwlee as a buddy... would random swing back on this if there was just one wolf on the dwlee wagon if dwlee town? Kinda suggestive of not gork at that moment I guess.

Hi Heartless!

Is there a particular reason for why you're ignoring the Dwlee wagon?

Bbt continuing to push on dwlee with dwlee in the lead. Does bbt have a meta of hard bussing d1? Anyone know his scum game?

um... um... b/c we're scum and we're just waiting for the heat to die down?

I mean, that's a fantastic response and all, but thoughts on Dwlee's voting of Gork?

Obv could be a defense of gork, but could also be just discrediting of dwlee. Bbt working surprisingly hard for lynch here unless a bus, and random wasn't on it for the town credit. Could maybe argue for a mislynch where buddy was NOTon it (so only bbt takes heat for it).

mhsmith [post]689[/post is classic scum. Defending himself while trying to throw shade. Its a really, really bad attempt.

This is a guy who in literally every other game I've seen him in has made himself

incredibly obvious

town. Like innocent child level towna fter like two posts. Here, he is awkward and defensive

I voted you cause fuck gladiators.
link the games he obvtowned in or I'm plynching you for being a gladiator and using your ability.

Does dwlee as wolf bother to stick his head into here, especially as a snap reaction (his vote was FAST, two minutes after tw's gladiate bit)?

...
THIS
DOESN'T
MEAN
DWLEE
COPIED
YOU

If bbt really was hard bussing, why is random hard defending? Such a bizarre strategy for a team.

I'm beginning to get the feeling that smith is defending/whiteknighting me by his defense. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

His constant pressure on Square's scum read on me.

Yeah, I throw the risk of shade-throwing, but I think he might be. It seemed less of trying to understand the reason for Square's reads and more of coming to my rescue.

This is nonsense reaction to my posts that were asking square to explain his reads. The below are QUESTIONS, not attacks.

leaning on mhsmith0 + KuroiXHF + shaddowez with a possibility of randomidget

Any thoughts on the three slots that naked hopped onto your wagon after the heartless vote?

And from 678 to 930, any particular reason your earlier third wheels scum read dropped off? And kuroi went from town to scum?

And what drove your changing reads on kuroi, third wheels, dwlee, and cakez?

And what drove your changing reads on kuroi, third wheels, dwlee, and cakez?

kuroi is meta
third wheels is looking townier
dwlee is still null/scum
cakez is a gut feeling

What meta on kuroi? What posts make third wheels look townier? And why did your gut read on cake shift?

I'm calling bullshit on beeboy's soft claim.

I want a better IC
Can we get a refund

The casual obnoxiousness of that post (though honestly I got a laugh) in service of a non wolf agenda (shutting down the beeboy wagon) seems super villagery to me.

kuroi/bbt very likely scum together

Wish I knew why they thought this though

And there's a lot on Randomidget, but it seems too easy.

the rng doesn't discriminate between easy and difficult

Fair enough.

VOTE: randomidget

Lazy level of scrutiny to get convinced by that point

okay.
so your thought was "wisdom might be scum because he shot shaddow" while heartless body is sitting over there?
>.>

I don't know who'd shot who, although I'm thinking Wisdom killed Heartless and then the vig killed Shadowwez because they bought into Wisdom's arguments.
It makes sense to me. Heartless was the innocent child.

Blames Wisdom for what was basically a consensus scum read of shadow

I like when the scum color vote counts for me.
All of day 1 mhsmith doesnt vote anyone, is in the prime bussing spot on bbt (there was a guilty tho so -shrug-)
I just realized he barely colored anything le sigh
pedit omg broken spoiler tags might have hammered myself
fuck me

I TRIED TO SPOILER A POST WITH SPOILERS AND DIDNT PREVIEW
welp
okay
I think it is probably mhsmith, it makes the most sense, wisdom would be my second choice

This doesn't read fake to me

i dont get it

He used my name instead of Radja's because I was in his subconscious. So either he thought of me because he suspects me or quite possibly, he plans to do something with me. And he's brushing it off by using his age as an excuse.

And this isn't the first time this game he's done that either.

This is basically an insane voting reason.

I am intentionally not reading this wall simply because I don't want this post to influence my incoming wall.
I'll read it after I post, though.

[KuroiXHF]

OMFG I GOT HALFWAY THROUGH BEFORE MY WALL OF READS WERE GONE.

I'm so pissed.

I'm not rewriting it, but I will say Gorkington is probably town, Wisdom is possibly OK and I only have a bit of Smith, although I like him so far in this reread.

And I'm double downing on my Dwlee vote. He definitely bussed both partners to win here.

[KuroiXHF]

OMFG I GOT HALFWAY THROUGH BEFORE MY WALL OF READS WERE GONE.

I'm so pissed.

I'm not rewriting it

Why do I feel like this is a lie

I am so glad you said this after I've had time to cool off, because I spent two hours working on this fucking thing.

Also, I'm Catelyn Stark. VT

[KuroiXHF]

If I'm going to try this again, I'm going to write this on Microsoft Word... and I'm not doing this again today. I'll do this tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Also, keep in mind that Radja does fake claims for scum. I don't see why this game would be any different. I don't know what use my claim would do.

[KuroiXHF]

What. So at least one of you is telling the truth so there are at least 4 starks in the game?

Well assuming town isn't lying, there's definitely at least four Starks in the game. I'm just saying that a nice sounding claim shouldn't take place of scum hunting.

[KuroiXHF]

Alright. It's a new day. I'm going to try this read again. You know, I did it to get the game moving.

Mindlessly voting people to achieve that goal isn't going to get shit done, since... y'know, we only have two chances.

[KuroiXHF]

Update: Still working on my catch up. It's a busy day at work but I at least got to where I was before I lost the catch up yesterday.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay, so I've reread the game up until the beginning of this day phase. If needed, I'll possibly go through today as well as Smith's wall, but here's what I've gone through. (You all better like it. I've spent five fucking hours on this.)

Mhsmith0

Spoiler:

- I like 476.
- My first thought on 558 was “Oh, nice. Smith is consistent in his Gork read.” My next thought was, “Fuck, is he tunneling?”
- And 560 seems townish. He thought that Gorkington was scum Shaddow, but we now know that’s not true.
- I’m really loving this interaction
- 724 You said that you make yourself obviously town, but others don’t see that. I don’t really see you being scum.
- At the same time, I didn’t like 728. I don’t see how the fake gladiator could be so distracting, and it seems like a lot of talk for not a lot of saying.
- 742 Let me get this straight – either I’m sloppy town or sloppy scum?
- I’ve been noticing that my biggest complaint about you, and I’ve noticed around 937 is that you appear to be asking questions and making comments here and there, but you’re not getting dirty. Perhaps you’re town but my issue is that you’re appearing “too town” to me. An example of not getting dirty was when I suspected Smith of trying to defend me, he really didn’t seem to do anything other than ask questions. By making assertions, he’d put himself into the fray, but I don’t think he wanted that.
- 1218 Are you going to interact or just ask questions?
- 423 Can you remind me who this post was directed to? I’m having a hard time following this post.

Gorkington

Spoiler:

- I’m kind of thrown off by your entrance. Your posts were non-malleable, heavy-hearted and stiff, but you make that seem normal for you.
- 44 Your response to me in this post is a sharp contrast from your usual play style so far, and I’m really troubled by my inability to get a read from you.
- On page six, Gork defended BBT but called Cakes scum.
- Gave me a snarky response in 151. I’m not 100% sure that scum Gork would be so snarky.
- Curious – do you still mean this in 240 or do you really think I’m scum so this question wouldn’t even apply?
- Gorkington, who earlier wanted Cakez dead, defended him in 299. It makes me pretty confident of him being town at this point.
- Post 372 confuses me. What was that post supposed to mean?
- I really don’t think this is alignment indicative but in 413, in your readlist, you placed Heartless higher than yourself. I realize they were an innocent child, but… I mean, did you think Radja lied to you about your alignment? Is it possible Gorkington is a survivor? How do we know we don’t have a Serial Killer? It’s possible that Gorkington is Jaime Lannister.
- Less townie points for 537 for a vote that really didn’t seem to make sense.
- 576 “confirmably so” *No one can confirm for him.*
- This isn’t alignment indicative either, but you appear to be completely upset since the beginning of this game. For me, this game is just slow and other than Frozen Angel’s freak out early in the game, I thought the people here are more or less fine with no poor interactions. What exactly has you so bummed?
- 591 seems like scum interaction and distancing. Actually, the rest of that page does too. It actually seems to be that way more when I saw Radja’s subsequent vote count. Quite the banter, but they’re both after someone else.
- 744 I’ll hold you to this.
- 783 and the couple of posts after this read awkwardly to me. I’m not 100% sure this is alignment indicative, but I’d better note it down.
- 837 This seems less like distancing.
- 1270 Awkward vote.
- 1583 You saying “aight” isn’t alignment indicative, but it should be…
- 1645 Yeah. Actually, thanks for this. It helps my verdict on Dwlee even more so.
- 1724 This is the second time that Gork’s been wrong this page, but it’s beginning to make me feel that he’s counting on it at this point.

Wisdom

Spoiler:

- Your entrance seems normal for you. You’re as you usually are – detached and observant.
- I’m a bit judgmental of 43. It seemed like a bit of a grandstand move to point out the poor judgment in order to get townie points.
- I’m not happy about 226. This is the first time you’ve ever used the phrase, “I think.” Usually, you call people scum or town. I think this is a minor scum slip.
- Reviewing this game, I might have been wrong about Wisdom being scum. His post on 355 means he’s obviously wrong about Shaddow and BBT. It seems less like defending a scum buddy and more about legitimately thinking Shaddow is scum.
- Your entire posting on Page 19 really comes across as nervous posting, which worries me a bit.
- Retroactively speaking, your interaction with Gorkington on page 21 sounds like interaction between two scum. If I read that again at the time, I’d probably vote both of you. However, it’s impossible now for this game to continue and both of you be scum. With that taken, it actually really looks like both of you are town. I still read Gorkington higher than you are, but if I can be a nerd and use L’s terminology – I think there’s only about a 7% chance that you’re scum.
- At this post in this post, (referencing 630), your complaint on Gork is that he’s weird. I’m asking myself at what point you suddenly think Gork is completely and solidly town as you do now.
- 758 So you’re saying that I’m scum, but I didn’t fake that oops regarding Frozen Angel?
- Wait, 771 – and I have a hard time deciphering these pronouns – but, if I read this right, you correctly identified Random defending BBT? Am I understanding this right?
- I don’t like how quickly you assumed Frozen Angel was town in 860.
- To accentuate on the above concern, you stated in 927 that the frustration seemed genuine, but it wasn’t. “Yeah, this reaction seems real.” You just treated her the same way you treated Heartless, on the same level.
- I’d call you opportunistic in 891 but to be honest, I’m probably more nitpicky. If not, more so.
- Are you calling me scum who willingly derped on 910? Do you still believe in what you said in 1048 Am I really dumb scum?
- I think scum Wisdom would say 1092.
- 1554 Right on the money with that one. It wasn’t just me that saw that.
- 1632 Wtf, you just thought it was Dwlee. I really am having trouble why everyone thinks you’re so good because you vote the right people. You negate yourself when you town read everyone then scum read them. I ask you to show me someone (other than Heartless and Frozen Angel) who you didn’t change your mind about.

Dwlee99

Spoiler:

- Posts 5 and 7 look good as an entrance.
- I do NOT like Dwlee’s return in 152. He says he was done modding stuff and was going to eat. (I implied that he’s also going to catch up.) Three posts later in 155, less than ten minutes later, he asks Cakez to talk to him. With everything going on, including Frozen Angel’s moment, nine minutes is NOT enough to fully catch up.
- Dwlee comes out of nowhere with this sudden strong desire to vote for BBT in 261. I didn’t notice this at the time, but he was bussing. Also – his follow up post the post after.
- His next post in 268 seems to be more of tunneling (perhaps death tunneling) and less engaging.
- 354
- 533 You’ve been obsessive about BBT until this point and now you’ve dropped it for Gork?
- I’ve already gone over 547
- 622 and the post after it. Depending on meta to save him.
- Back to BBT 629
- I’m actually surprised to see Dwlee responding to criticism – 674 I don’t think there’s much of content in the actual response, but bravo in actually acknowledging the other side’s existence.
- 754 Shade throwing. My last post before that comment said, “I had a busy day. I’ll respond when I can.”
- 1244 is telling me that you’ve been following along and haven’t been even considering adding to the scum hunt in any way.
- 1318 Hammered.
- 1396 Believe me. We know.
- 1489 There’s a possibility Dwlee really believes he’s town. That says something. Then again, it was a bad reaction test.
- 1574 Scum claim? What’s with “I can’t reveal too much.” What do you know that we don’t?
- 1598 If this is the one post of all of Dwlee’s ISO, this is it. He got BBT and then he starts on Random to bus, then now he’s on me. This is why my vote is not leaving Dwlee today.
- 1749 I don’t doubt this, but I think you’re seeing only what you want to see.

Spoiler: The order of people that I'd lynch:

Dwlee.
...That's it. There are things I don't like about all of yours ISOs, but to be fair, I saw posts of mine I didn't like either. Dwlee is the only one who has made himself pain-stakingly obvious that he's scum. I'm not even considering who else could be scum because it'd be a tax on my time. If he's not scum, I'll look again, but his ISO really speaks for itself.

And with that, this is my catch up. If you want me to go through today and smith's wall, I'll do that. If you have questions, I'll answer them. I think this post will really move things forward and I'm satisfied that if you decide to lynch me, it'll be because of my posts and not because of outside politics. Just lynch Dwlee tomorrow.

But preferably today.

Preview Edit: Looking back, I'm not so happy with the results of this, but I swear to God, this is as good as I'll do. At least while I'm working unGodly hours.

[KuroiXHF]

Since apparently I need to out how I caught BBT it was because his early posting was mostly questions which I believe to be a mostly scum thing. He wasn't making connections about anything simply asking questions and not doing anything with the answers.

Why didn't you say this before? Did you feel by doing that, you wouldn't have the support for his lynch?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm Jon Snow. For those unfamiliar w the series, he's the bastard child of house stark (sort of)

Well yeah. For the purposes of flavor, he's absolutely Stark-aligned and if Stark are the good guys (which is pretty much confirmed), he's a good guy.

Any flavor could be a fakeclaim lol

Yep.

Catelyn is actually a mean safe claim to give since she (like the tracker guy) dies and comes back kinda evil (though catelyn less than the tracker).

Not in the TV-series, which this game seems to be based off. Also, I understand that you're trying to scum hunt, but could you possibly do it in a spoiler-free way?

anyhow, as much as an inner voice is telling me to vote smith, i'll be staying on kuroi

If you have to, can you at least promise me you'll kill Dwlee tomorrow? I'm really trying to be calm here, but with all the work I have drawing out the fucking picture and the fact that I'm trying to curb my edginess because of my work load, promise me you'll kill Dwlee. I guarantee you, he'll be alive tomorrow. Gorkington and Smith, listen too. One of you will die and Dwlee will be alive tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Gork, Smith, please don't hammer quite yet. I think we have some talking to do first.

[KuroiXHF]

What talking?

I posted a wall of points. I think people have some responding to do. Plus, you didn't answer my last post about promising to vote Dwlee when I'm dead.

[KuroiXHF]

If you want my order of scum to not scum, here it is:

Dwlee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wisdom>Gork>>Smith.

It's not Smith. Wisdom, did you need me to go through today? Is today where you think Smith is more likely to be scum than not?

[KuroiXHF]

no, it's poe because its not dwlee and i dont think its gork

Dwlee isn't fucking clear.

Scum, please do us all a favor and kill Wisdom tonight so he can't screw it up for us tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

no, it's poe because its not dwlee and i dont think its gork

Dwlee isn't fucking clear.

Scum, please do us all a favor and kill Wisdom tonight so he can't screw it up for us tomorrow.

Unless it's Wisdom in which case, we're possibly fucked anyway.

[KuroiXHF]

Can you rephrase that please?

[KuroiXHF]

Quick summary of why each of me gork and wisdom are clear

Woah - please do NOT use that word. I never said you're clear. I just said I suspect you both least.

But to put it in about a line or two each...

Gork - Gork has been wrong so often. My biggest complaints about him are less about his scumminess and more about the accuracy of his reads. The one line I really didn't like and I think was glossed over a bit easily was 591.

You - You are without a doubt the towniest player here, and that's an issue. I agree with Wisdom that there is such a thing as

too townie

. Another issue which perhaps ties in with the too townie issue is that you don't seem to make assertions as much as you should. You aren't aggressive and you're inquisitive. You ask a lot of questions and they're good questions, which is why it's easy to townread you, but you don't seem to do all so much with all this info.

But to repeat myself, and this better not be skimmed over or taken light,

neither

of you are clear. I just don't think it's Gork and I definitely don't think it's you.

[KuroiXHF]

I definitely don't think it's you.

your paragraph about him seems to suggest you do think it could be him

You're voting, which means you think it's me. Which means that if you're right, the game is over after I'm lynched. You needn't worry.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry. If you were asking us to promise a dwlee lynch I figured you had the rest of us as clear.

Unless we have a situation like innocent child, I don't consider anyone clear. I never considered Gork clear, even when Wisdom and Dwlee seemed to believe it.

[KuroiXHF]

Fine. Remember Dwlee for tomorrow. Don't fuck this up.

[KuroiXHF]

[if you are scum please just say so]

Fine.

I am

Spoiler:

not

scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Wait. Were you watching, not wanting to respond to all the hard work I put in, only wanting to say something right after my hammer?

The fuck?

[KuroiXHF]

Tbh with how little kuroi has posted after lynch wouldnt be surprised if he was scum who is trolling us lol

I'm still here. If I was trolling, I'd like to think I'd do a better job.

[KuroiXHF]

okay kuroi who do you think makes the bad nk

Like I said at the beginning of the day, there's a possibility Wisdom is scum and some SK/Vig should Shaddow. So the question would be, who would want Shaddow dead.

I think Gork made a claim during one of the days seeing Shaddow as scum, so I think him.

[KuroiXHF]

what??
I'm asking who shoots the IC night one. who is mafia that isn't me
pedit yea.. lol

OOOOH. I think scum fucked up.

I thought you asked me who the second killer was.

I think scum is Dwlee.
I think the SK/vig is Gork.

[KuroiXHF]

why are you saying who you think the vig is >_>>>

Because I thought you asked me.

[KuroiXHF]

Miscommunication, I suppose.

Anyways, waiting for Radja to step in so we can get tomorrow over with.

[KuroiXHF]

To be honest, I was trying different tactics here:

- I milked out the "Kuroi Factor" for Wisdom
- I dumbtelled a bit too much.
- I basically tried to be over the top.

And I didn't mean to be a dick after the hammer. I was hoping for the 1% chance someone could have saved me.

[KuroiXHF]

Thanks for modding as always Radja!

Well played town, unlucky Kuroi. Thought you did really well in the end after a disastrous start for us.

I'm sorry I didn't deliver. I really wanted to help. I just think a lot of players get confused by my playstyle and knowing that I'm lynch bait, so I tried to embody that.

[KuroiXHF]

LOL. I didn't read you as being a jerk at all. I was actually using you and holding onto the fact that you might have kept me going. I probably buddied you a bit too, but I used your "You're too town" as a way to cover that up.

Also Frozen Angel, in the last day phase, I crapped on you a bit in order to fit the whole "This is just Kuroi." I wasn't even really mad at you. Sorry 'bout that.

[KuroiXHF]

I actually have to applaud Dwlee. He had the best reads this game.

They were actually so good that I thought I could swing the "He obviously bussed" card. It didn't work.

[KuroiXHF]

yea if I'm town with correct reads people say I'm bussing.
If I'm scum bussing people say I'm bussing
if I'm town with bad reads people say I have bad reads so I'm scum
and if I'm scum with bad reads people say I have bad reads so I'm scum
I can't win

What a dick thing to say when you just won.

[KuroiXHF]

Is it too late to lynch Dwlee?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM

[KuroiXHF]

Radja. The people have decided to overturn my lynch and lynch Dwlee instead.