Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

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Cookie Bakers that tunnel is gross

Like you're not considering the rest of the game and you're drowning out discussion and I wouldn't expect that coming from you guys as town

-Dunn

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OK whatever I'm claiming the town watcher.

Egg and Townblock targeted VA-11 Hall-A N1.

There you go.

We were roleblocked

-Dunn

That means one of them is a jailkeeper/roleblocker and the other one was either a killer or a doc. They are both fine lynches if you flip green.

-Boem

If we flip? If we die, sure. The very fact that we had to claim we were roleblocked jeopardizes enough.

That's an adorable little tunnel you've got on iraon there, MathBlade.

A low-hanging-fruit counter to her own wagon?

Not necessarily so, but I'd much rather lynch Math 10 times than lynch any one of their preferred lynches, ever.


Also, I'd much rather vote Egg at this point, or TownBlock. It only makes sense.

- Zach

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With that being said

VOTE: CCC

I want to get one of bacde, accountant, or egg/townblock possibly (for roleblocking) tomorrow

-Dunn

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Did this fucking guy just vote CCC?

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THAT GIF is so big

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What is the case on CCC?

They haven't seen Star Wars.
They were terrible d1 taking opposite positions on the "only one VT issue".
They have no scumhunting in their ISO.
They merely say case sucks and do nothing.

Oh and they shot someone.

I would lynch CCC, Iroanavp, or Bacde

Your reads got like 60% better since Day 1, what happened?

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Blanche -

Jailkeeper/Neighbor

shos -

Motion Detector/Neighbor

Blackstar -

Friendly Neighbor

Fire Assassin -

Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor

All killed Night 1.



It is now Day 2.

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Btw blanche was a town jailkeeper.

Something to keep in mind with the roleblock scenario, it's less likely to have a second town jailkeeper and more likely to be a scum roleblocker/joat

-Dunn

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@2241, I do not understand the GiF Zach/Dunn.

@Lapsa, really....

Ignore Zach's dumb Gif I'm coaching him in our hydra topic

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Blanche -

Jailkeeper/Neighbor

shos -

Motion Detector/Neighbor

Blackstar -

Friendly Neighbor

Fire Assassin -

Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor

All killed Night 1.



It is now Day 2.

(expired on 2016-08-30 22:30:00)

Btw blanche was a town jailkeeper.

Something to keep in mind with the roleblock scenario, it's less likely to have a second town jailkeeper and more likely to be a scum roleblocker/joat

-Dunn

^^

is why Egg/Townblock needs to be lynched after CCC


But in all honesty i prefer them first

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I haven't seen star wars

Did you roleblock us?

-Dunn

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I haven't seen star wars

Did you roleblock us?

-Dunn

Yeah. how'd you know? lol

So... you're mafia?

-Dunn

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OK whatever I'm claiming the town watcher.

Egg and Townblock targeted VA-11 Hall-A N1.

There you go.

We were roleblocked

-Dunn

this is true yes

So both of you guys roleblocked us?

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Narna can die too

-Dunn

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nvm

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Hey CCC do you deny or admit murdering someone last night?

I didn't murder anyone last night.

This is now a confirmed guilty. We have a gunsmith result on CCC. They have a gun.

They claimed not to shoot anyone.

Thus, they are scum.

Lynch with extreme prejudice.

I caught on eventually - guessed follower

-Dunn

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A town jailkeeper already flipped, me and zach don't believethat egg and townblock are likely to both be town

In fact, Neither of them had a reason to roleblock us and were caught out by the watcher. They can both die. Egg first

-Dunn

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A town jailkeeper already flipped, me and zach don't believethat egg and townblock are likely to both be town

In fact, Neither of them had a reason to roleblock us and were caught out by the watcher. They can both die. Egg first

-Dunn

That's your perspective

Mine is that they thought you were scum

Back to the CCC lynch

Where did egg indicate suspicion on our slot?

Go over their iso.

-Dunn

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Blanche -

Jailkeeper/Neighbor

shos -

Motion Detector/Neighbor

Blackstar -

Friendly Neighbor

Fire Assassin -

Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor

All killed Night 1.



It is now Day 2.

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Btw blanche was a town jailkeeper.

-Dunn
Something to keep in mind with the roleblock scenario, it's less likely to have a second town jailkeeper and more likely to be a scum roleblocker/joat

-Dunn

So what do you think about DGB's claim since Hot Chocolate already flipped 1-shot BP?

I haven't seen star wars

Did you roleblock us?

-Dunn

Yeah. how'd you know? lol

SCUM DETECTED

Set-up spec wise? duplicate roles aren't weird

three town roleblockers would be weird on it's own, the fact that egg never even interacted with us means he's almost certainly scum caught out on a watcher result

Townblock doesn't look good either but they claimed after egg claimed so I heavily favor getting egg

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also I was wondering why you were asking Dunnhydra to out as well

Why did you roleblock us?

-Dunn

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I mean I think CCC is also scum though and it did look like he was throwing shade on his inno

-Dunn

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Players who claimed VT should eat all the shit they defecated in my opinion.

These dirty fake claimers am I right

-Dunn

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Why do people trust Townblock more than Egg?

He claimed roleblocker after egg had already claimed the roleblock. As scum he could have easily stayed quiet

-Dunn

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remember on day 1 he was unnaturally obsessed with determining who in the 3 vt claims was the "one true vt"

So why was his gunsmith check on serra? (who, unrelated, claimed vt day 2) instead of a vt claim

Why was his gunsmith check not on, say, cookie bakers?

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OK whatever I'm claiming the town watcher.

Egg and Townblock targeted VA-11 Hall-A N1.

There you go.

We were roleblocked

-Dunn

this is true yes

So both of you guys roleblocked us?

I'm as confused as you are

~Memeo

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also I was wondering why you were asking Dunnhydra to out as well

Why did you roleblock us?

-Dunn

because we felt you might carry out the nightkill?

we didn't really have much to go off on with a 24 hour day,

ahum

So ... somebody is bullshitting in Egg/Townblock. I want them to claim properly. I'm giving +10 towncreds if that happens in the next hour and -1 for every subsequent hour without a claim. If they claim right away they are sitting at -150 towncred if I count correctly.

I can't see how we couldn't both be rb'er

why would we lie about being a roleblocker as town
why would we lie about being a roleblocker as scum

~Memeo

I don't understand why you thought we were more suspicious than o ther people but I can kind of buy it

Can't buy it from egg, read their iso and everything, not willing to believe that is a town roleblock

-Dunn

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vif bacde or egg

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*vig

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Zach likes to put ketchup on his scrambled eggs

Vigs feel free to shoot the tomato, the egg, or the accountant

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If that 32/5/5 got changed because there's a serial killer in a 42 person game that's super weird btw

-Dunn

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Zach likes to put ketchup on his scrambled eggs

And what the fuck is wrong with that? I can whip up some killer scrambled eggs mofucka


life pro tip: potato chips in the scrambled eggs

also: potato chips in the ramen. flavor is important, naturally douse in hot sauce as well


ALSO, something tells me that this wagon progressing this quickly is a bad sign... but whatever

Zach likes to put ketchup on his scrambled eggs



Vigs feel free to shoot the tomato, the egg, or the accountant

I feel good that only an idiot would listen to you =]

how is what he's saying dumb? egg literally claimed a RB on us, accountant is being a shifty fuck, and you're being a tomato

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Literally just threw some diced up steak in the ramen VISION ME



- Zach

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Are you really going to ignore the elephant in the room as to WHY CCC is scum?

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ALSO, something tells me that this wagon progressing this quickly is a bad sign... but whatever

It's a guilty result!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am aware of this that was just my hypertension acting up

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you know for someone named MathBlade you're taking a pretty OBTUSE angle HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

CB is not scum and CCC most likely is, given the facts


- Zach

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Varsoon's "guilty"? Varsoon got a not VT on DGB because DGB turned out to be a one-shot BP if I'm not mistaken

WHICH YOU DO CLAIM VT WITH THAT BECAUSE IF YOU CLAIM BP IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR FUCKING ROLE.

you know for someone named MathBlade you're taking a pretty OBTUSE angle HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

CB is not scum and CCC most likely is, given the facts


- Zach

Your obtuse is my acute depending on location. To me the obtuse thing is assuming someone who has a gun in 42 player game means guilty. A tracker or a watcher has much more credence over a guilty. Shaziro's or Varsoon's guilties are actual guilties. Not this.

No. They caught liars.

I caught scum. What cop attacks their supposed innocent?

Cops don't attack they check.
1) there were no confirmed towns so no innocents.
2) A neo hits a claimed VT always if town.

/me sighs

Still catching up Cookie Butters still needs rope.

Cookie Bakers was right, you don't talk to your supposed green check like

would now be a good time to mention that I'm an actual, for-real VT?

That make you number four to claim the role. So far, two of the other claimants have been shown to be lying.

You are under no particular pressure to claim, and it is no longer day one. Why have you elected to make this claim

now

, of all times?

This is not how someone talks to their alleged clear.

CCC is obviously lying. Why the fuck would CB fakeclaim gunsmith JUST to get CCC lynched?

Also, read above again. You DON'T talk to your gunsmith check like that if you find a " no gun " result.

Granted, there are anti-town roles that do not have guns (SK, namely) but why would CCC actively push on their green check?

Tell me what I'm missing here, Geometry.



- Zach

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The claim is so convenient there is no way scum made that up IMO.

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For CCC to be town, CB has to be lying about being Gunsmith. It's THAT SIMPLE, and guess what? Cookie Bakers isn't lying.


So the answer is clear here. You need to stop contributing to our downfall, MathBlade.

i do not have the time to respond to everything that's happened since i went to sleep

i will say this:
oh hey, we have two neopolitans and two VTs who lied about being VT
stop doing that! wow! stop lying!

THIS VERY MUCH THIS

I think Varsoon is lying but same difference.

CCC isn't town, not just dumb.

Why would town!varsoon be lying here?

To push through a lynch he thinks is right but cannot get support for otherwise.

I know I've done that sort of thing before, like in Mass Effect Mafia.
But that's not what I'm doing here.

What did DGB do?

Allegedly claimed VT when not a VT.

This needs more words and I could definitely sheep it.

I've been stating CCC is scum.

Egg wants to sheep me when I'm explicitly doubting the guilty on my townread.

I haven't read the game. It's basically only been in day while i'm working...

One or more of Klingon/Peregrine V/Egg are scum. Those votes are ridiculously terribad.

LMFAO this is hilarious, Egg " could " be scum yet he RB'd us, admitted to RBing us, and we have a flipped JK. That makes the chance of scum on that go up way more. Klingon/Peregrine scum? Nah.

Varsoon's "guilty"? Varsoon got a not VT on DGB because DGB turned out to be a one-shot BP if I'm not mistaken

WHICH YOU DO CLAIM VT WITH THAT BECAUSE IF YOU CLAIM BP IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR FUCKING ROLE.

you know for someone named MathBlade you're taking a pretty OBTUSE angle HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

CB is not scum and CCC most likely is, given the facts


- Zach

Your obtuse is my acute depending on location. To me the obtuse thing is assuming someone who has a gun in 42 player game means guilty. A tracker or a watcher has much more credence over a guilty. Shaziro's or Varsoon's guilties are actual guilties. Not this.

No. They caught liars.

I caught scum. What cop attacks their supposed innocent?

Cops don't attack they check.
1) there were no confirmed towns so no innocents.
2) A neo hits a claimed VT always if town.

/me sighs

Still catching up Cookie Butters still needs rope.

Cookie Bakers was right, you don't talk to your supposed green check like

would now be a good time to mention that I'm an actual, for-real VT?

That make you number four to claim the role. So far, two of the other claimants have been shown to be lying.

You are under no particular pressure to claim, and it is no longer day one. Why have you elected to make this claim

now

, of all times?

This is not how someone talks to their alleged clear.

CCC is obviously lying. Why the fuck would CB fakeclaim gunsmith JUST to get CCC lynched?

Also, read above again. You DON'T talk to your gunsmith check like that if you find a " no gun " result.

Granted, there are anti-town roles that do not have guns (SK, namely) but why would CCC actively push on their green check?

Tell me what I'm missing here, Geometry.



- Zach

Claiming VT also defeats the purpose.
Yes it is. If they are trying to determine redirection or other shenanigans. The "now" especially reads like frustration that if CCC had to claim it would not necessarily be believed.

Um...

no

, you don't get to do that and just act like it's okay.

If you claim BP no one shoots at you EVER for obvious reasons but you may still be investigated.

Claiming VT, all bets are off. But if someone tries to kill you, your role still gets used. I'm not sure that you understand lying can and does have pro-town motivation, in which case you're deliberately hindering scumhunting.

Varsoon's "guilty"? Varsoon got a not VT on DGB because DGB turned out to be a one-shot BP if I'm not mistaken

WHICH YOU DO CLAIM VT WITH THAT BECAUSE IF YOU CLAIM BP IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR FUCKING ROLE.

You needlessly claim vt on d1 in a role madness game as bp townie. lolok.

You're talking like me like I did it. I don't give a shit, but to assume DGB is scum off of that is a faulty thought process at its core.

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Why does cookie have to be lying for CCC to be town?

Hey CCC do you deny or admit murdering someone last night?

I didn't murder anyone last night.

This is now a confirmed guilty. We have a gunsmith result on CCC. They have a gun.

They claimed not to shoot anyone.

Thus, they are scum.

Lynch with extreme prejudice.

Right. I appear to have finally caught up.

Well, in light of Cookie Baker's claim of a gunsmith result on me, I think that it is now time to claim my role.

I am a Gunsmith.

And, since I've now made that claim, I might as well tell you my results from Night One:

SerraPaladin does not own a gun. He is therefore Town.

BONUS POINTS: CCC tries to doubtcast Cookie's claim

Cookie Bakers: Claimed access to a Gunsmith result (I suspect the actual gunsmith may be a different person, either in Cookie's neighbourhood or Cookie's mafia)

why do you think this

and more importantly

why would you say this

Because of the way Cookie phrased it. They specifically did not claim gunsmith, but said they had access to a gunsmith result.

pretty much this is why


- zach

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Claiming me as target is pretty convenient. Particularly given ccc took some time to 'read'.

But also if DGB wanted to try to make scum use a shot on her, claiming VT is hardly the way to do that.

For lies to avoid lynch all liars, I think they demonstrably need to benefit town and not scum.

How does DGB's claim benefit scum? You think scum wouldn't assume that she could be fakeclaiming and target anyway?

The point still stands that it's better than claiming BP outright

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But she was under no pressure whatsoever to claim. No claim is more likely to get her killed.

We disagree here, claims of any sort obviously draw attention to you, as evidenced.

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But she was under no pressure whatsoever to claim. No claim is more likely to get her killed.

We disagree here, claims of any sort obviously draw attention to you, as evidenced.

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Someone bang that hammer

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@VA-11

Why does cookie have to be lying for CCC to be town?

He doesn't, zach was confused

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not the cannibal corpse one not the cannibal corpse one not the cannibal corpse one

@VA-11

Why does cookie have to be lying for CCC to be town?

He doesn't, zach was confused

im never confused fool, i hope you hit your shin on a metal object in pitch black darkness multiple times over you fucking heathen

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DGB's a waste in my opinion, not sure how Dunn feels on the subject

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DGB's a waste in my opinion, not sure how Dunn feels on the subject

Zach just chime in with yours please.

bacde's a good one. peregrine, boring, creature or drixx

Skelda, maybe. I'd still say Bacde primary. Do what you will with these friendly suggestions ~

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Roleblockers (egg, townblock) should claim their targets.

-Dunn

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VOTE: serrapaladin

-Dunn

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I'm blue

da ba dee da ba die

Totally out of nowhere, no relevance to the situation. Actual relevance now that we know there is a blue team.

VOTE: Va-11 Hall-A

It was a reference to Transcend's site of choice

Context is important

-Dunn

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Roleblockers (egg, townblock) should claim their targets.

-Dunn

Why?

Vote Sera

Sheeping Rach's thoughts in the neighborhood to an extent. I can buy that there are associatives to CCC. I don't agree with the lurking excuses case or whatever it was.

If it weren't for the result on serra I'd be voting you right now. You should out your result.

-Dunn

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Target rather

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Shaziro your argument is that we softed blue mafia so the other mafia team doesn't kill us?

You really think we'd soft mafia...?

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I almost thought that was a joke, I hope no one else took it seriously as Dunn did.

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I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

You shouldn't have claimed this before the roleblockers claimed.

Which egg still needs to do

-Dunn

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Never played on epicmafia. Both of you do realize that the argument "I was just quoting a song" or "I was making a joke about epicmafia despite it not being mentioned, because that's where this guy plays" is exactly what the goal would be if that's a traitor making himself known to his team, right?

Yeah, but you could say that about any context provided. It's highly unlikely though.

I'm sorry, you're trying to tell me that Va-11 Hall-A deciding, completely out of thin air, to quote an old song for no reason whatsoever...is more likely that it actually being significant to the game?

You're ignoring context again

-Dunn

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but the only context for that being a joke about epicmafia comes in -after- you said it, with somebody else taking it as a joke. Which you did nothing to confirm or deny, and you instead just put up more lyrics to the song.

>Everyone is claiming vanilla town
>I say "I'm blue" which means vt in epicmafia (which this is not epicmafia) which transcend who was right there would know about
>Transcend reacts
>I play it off as the song

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VOTE: serrapaladin

Hi.

~T

Hey pal want to get shaziro off of me

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I'm blue

da ba dee da ba die

Totally out of nowhere, no relevance to the situation. Actual relevance now that we know there is a blue team.

VOTE: Va-11 Hall-A

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Whoever is in a neighborhood with Serra needs to claim it.

VOTE: Egg

-Dunn

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Boem has a notable difference in tone from that last large

Which is really... strange but he's probably town since he's outing watcher results and is a pretty big target for a scum shot

-Dunn

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Oh sorry, I meant my neighborhood was with comparing realities since the replacement happened.

And what were comparing realities thoughts on the game?

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@Math and Shaziro - are you smoking a mix of unregulated synthesized chemicals dipped in embalming fluid out of a cracked lightbulb?


Dunn contributed to this because he actually took you calling us scum seriously, bless his poor little heart -- but what Shaziro initially posted does not even attempt to resemble a valid reason that we are scum. I think he actually believes that it does, which is even worse.

I don't even think Dunn knows that song. Maybe he does? Maybe it doesn't fucking matter because this push is the LITERAL definition of REACH. If you want to push us and not be viewed as lunatics, please have reasons centered around our play and not your delusions.

I'm blue

da ba dee da ba die

Totally out of nowhere, no relevance to the situation. Actual relevance now that we know there is a blue team.

VOTE: Va-11 Hall-A

It was a reference to Transcend's site of choice

Context is important

-Dunn

Not that me speaking on this holds any weight because, I am, in fact, biased to support... MYSELF, but he's not lying. Blue is what they call villagers on epicmafia.


MathBlade, I seem to recall you strongly opposing CCC's lynch and calling CB scum when it's obvious that CB is not scum. I could assume that you're scum off that but I'm just going to say you're town that should be ignored for now or lynched when it becomes too much from the evidence presented to me, which is what I do in these scenarios, I try to look for evidence that isn't composed of bullshit to back my points. I know, it's an

unorthodox

strategy but you guys should REALLY look into it sometimes. I only fuck around and lose games by being a blatant moron, which I haven't denied that I am, but I don't deliberately play against wincon.

Myself and Dunn are townier than you guys will ever be, lol. Are we going to end this simple simon bullshit here or do I have to backhand Math's case when they present one? Shaziro too, you can tag along if it helps.


All this for two little votes. I'm ecstatic.

I'll also say I fully support my partner's vote, that is of course why WE voted him hahaha..ha... haha...

but the only context for that being a joke about epicmafia comes in -after- you said it, with somebody else taking it as a joke. Which you did nothing to confirm or deny, and you instead just put up more lyrics to the song.

>Everyone is claiming vanilla town
>I say "I'm blue" which means vt in epicmafia (which this is not epicmafia) which transcend who was right there would know about
>Transcend reacts
>I play it off as the song

Yeah, Dunn likes to do this shit. He gets into situations that HE creates and in situations where it would be better to be honest, he continues to try to bluff. We're working on this though, it's a 10 step program.

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Spoiler: Table of what I think has everything so far

	Player Name	Important Info	Role	Alive or Dead
1	Creature
2	TownBlock (Dwlee99 / Murdercat / McMenno)
3	DrippingGoofball		Claimed VT, Claimed One Shot BP after Neo
4	PeregrineV
5	Blackstar		Friendly Neighbor	Dead
6	VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita)
7	serrapaladin		Claimed VT, iroanavp currently claiming serrapaladin is lying
8	Skybird
9	hebichan
10	Narna
11	Varsoon		Claimed one shot Neo, somehow checks twice
12	Egg		RBs Valhalla << Sketchiness here for other reasons
13	Blanche (gigabyteTroubadour / kraska77)		Jailkeeper/Neighbor	Dead
14	Aeronaut *
15	Elitism (Transcend / MariaR / gerryoat)
16	boring
17	amalgam (davesaz / Yume / randomidget)		Claimed Mason
18	RachMarie		Claimed Mason
19	Fire Assassin		Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor	Dead
20	Seraphim
21	Bacde		JOAT[Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Commuter/Doctor/Roleblocker]	Dead
22	Drixx
23	CCC		2 shot voyeur	Dead
24	iraonavp		Claimed VT, Claimed Neopolitan when pressured
25	Comparing Realities Accountant		JOAT[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]	Dead
26	Elyse
27	Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro)		Claimed Gunsmith
28	KlingonCelt		Claimed Mason
29	Map Wolf BBMolla
30	Lapsa
31	Foxbird		Voyeur/Neighbor	Dead
32	shos		Motion Detector/Neighbor	Dead
33	Boem_u_dusi		Claims Town PR, crumbs lover, crumbs cop, claims watcher, gets results cooberated by Egg << Sketchiness here
34	Almost50
35	Skelda
36	Hot Chocolate		One Shot Bulletproof	Dead
37	long_island_medium
38	Bellaphant *
39	Thor665 AlpacaAlpaca
40	Shaziro
41	Parama		Bodyguard/Neighbor	Dead
42	Mathblade		"Wait so Derek Jeter is famous and he didn't take steroids, or beat or murder his girlfriend or wife? I'm not sure I understand. " -- Warren Holstein

Town dead: 9 Blue Mafia dead: 1 Other Mafia dead: 0 Other dead: 0Players alive: 32

Spoiler: Them scums be talking yo

First, I am nigh on positive the scum teams are crumbing to each other.

Let's assume the scum teams are evenly distributed with X players. Let's assume Y scum teams and no SK for simplicity's sake in explaining the calculations.

This means 41- XY = Town players. (removing hot chocolate who was lynched and was town)

For the first night a given scum team won't shoot themselves which means they have a pool of 41-X -X(Y-1) players to shoot that are town. Conversely X(Y-1) players that can be shot that are scum.

So the probability that one team shoots scum is 41-(X(Y-1)) / remaining players available to shoot which is 41-X.
This must be multiplied out to get the probability of every scum team not hitting scum.

So this can be seen in practical numbers let's take Wake's original hypothesis of 32/5/5 and two vigs. (It may or may not be right but it removes it from algebra for people to see numbers)

One scum team then has the possibility of shooting town (36-5*1/41-5) = 31/36 of hitting town which is ~86%.
Now let's take that and multiply that by 86% to account for the probability of both scum teams doing it which is 74%.

Now let's take the vigs and calculate that in. Those have odds of 41-XY of hitting town. (for this practical scenario this is 31/41) which is approximately 75%.
The odds of both vigs hitting town is approximately 57%.

Now the odds of all four of those things are 42%. One night it's not the most likely thing but it is reasonably possible.

Now let's take a look at what happens when the number of alive town reduced. (Again will use practical numbers here, this may or may not be the setup. )
There were 6 deaths so far in the game which makes 36 players at the start of N2.
The team with 5 scum left have 27/31 chance of hitting town. ~87% chance of hitting town.
The team with 4 scum left have a 27/32 chance of hitting town. ~84% chance of hitting town.
Multiplied together this is approximately 73% chance of both scum teams hitting town.
The two vigs have a chance of 27/36 chance of hitting town. This is a 56% chance of hitting town.

Multiplying 73% and 56% is approximately a 40% chance of hitting scum. Again, isolated isn't all that unlikely.

However TOGETHER both nights is an approximately 17% chance of this happening.
Therefore the most likely scenario here is that scum are likely cross communicating.
The next question becomes HOW:

Spoiler: Scum claims and communication

This begs the question as to how scum would do this and not get caught. Obviously not all the scum would be doing it, else the scum teams would just lose to the other. (Assuming a two scum team scenario.) (I'm assuming this because if not a two town scenario the probabilities get ridiculously low that scum aren't cross communicating.)

I think they are doing this through two different ways:
Through song and through the use of the word "blue". Titus IMHO has been coordinating and spearheading this effort by posting random songs and nonsense and trying to hide which ones are genuine and which ones aren't. Post 2692 seems to collaborate this rather well.

Let's look at the people who have posted songs/lyrics/poems: (That I could find..If I missed some please point them out)
1) Lapsa
2) Boem_u_dusi (more on this later)
One crumbs lovers, another crumbs cop, yet boem claims watcher and uses it twice. This discounts JOAT. Boem strikes me as a man of purpose.
3) Cookie Bakers (so many times it's ridiculous)
4) Valhalla - More into why it's a scumclaim in a moment
5) Elitism -- More on this in a moment.

Now let's look at the people who have posted the word blue in reference to themselves or an action/read:
1) Valhalla --- I'm blue dabu dee da bu die is an Eiffel65 reference It's also very obscure. Most of the players are younger players. This likely means this was a message targeted specifically to an older player such as Titus. As noted in the game I replaced into they did no such crumb.
2) Boem_u_dusi -- I originally only caught the cop lyrics which made me town read them. Then they claimed watcher and I went what the fuck in my head and then they got accurate results on Egg roleblocking Valhalla. Why didn't Boem push this? Answer: They are likely aligned with Valhalla and CCC. This is further indicated by the blue postings. This means, Egg is likely scum on the other team.
3) Elitism -- Specifically this post (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8220434)
Now that we know one of the teams are the blue team this means that this post by Elitism is all kinds of wackiness.
Roses are red -- Meaning one scum team is likely RED.
Violets are blue -- Revealed scum team.
This guy is scum --- Likely crumb.

This makes Elitism, Valhalla, CCC, and Boem, Skelda likely all the blue team.
Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, and any other song posters likely scum for the red team. (DGB also gets added to this list too)

Spoiler: VCA

Now let's take a look at the VCA.
1) Titus's post was NOT a guilty. Continuing to think of it as such is inaccurate. I did defend CCC and I have no regrets about how I played that out. I also did not back off CB at all. I was trying to figure out whether they were town or scum because some of the weird ass songs and sounds make no sense.

In night 2 I started ripping apart VCs and seeing who was on both Hot Chocolate and CCC and who was only on one and who was only on another.
What was really interesting is Skelda's vote pattern. They started on CCC then switched to DGB then switched back to CCC. This along with Titus's weird defense of DGB and that weird iroanavp fight makes me strongly suspect those two are scum together. Titus would be one to suggest a weird gambit for iroanavp and Dripping Goofball to claim VT but I don't see her trying to run this many gambits while being in a hydra. Therefore one of DGB or iroanavp hydra likely scum. Based on iroanavp learning and their posts today I'd lean Titus/DGB especially since they never explained those posts. I also got frustrated at Titus because a gunsmith exists to confirm town not "guilties".

I am further guessing since Titus completely bastardized the play of gunsmith AND refuses to out what is a likely innocent and force scum to shoot in a group of townies that I am missing a cross communication that identified CCC as scum and that Titus wanted to lynch one of he scums to make sure scum bend to the other team's will.

Spoiler: Too long didn't read who do I think is scum

This makes Elitism, Valhalla, CCC, and Boem, Skelda likely all the blue team.
Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, Egg, DGB likely scum for the red team.Outside chance of iroanavp but I doubt it. Varsoon is either dumb town for lying after we said not to or is a JoaT and town aligned. Either way he is NOT a one shot neo and needs further examination as well. Egg would also be in this pairing for their weird as fuck alignments stuff. That fifth spot I'm still iffy on.

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

lmfao im crying

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So could you explain like I am 5 why in the he double hockey stick you talked about being blue Vall?

I believe that was dunn who said that IIRC?

Yes. Dunn explained that it was a Transcend reference (song lyrics, whichever one you want to go with)

But that's wholly irrelevant. The problem here stems from that post being treated as a claim lol. To call it a claim is a stretch, saying that it's crumbing to the other mafia team is ludicrous at best.



Looks like we're all starring in Tunneling Town: The Musical!(ft. Mathblade)

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@Valhalla -- why still no questions to townblock or egg?

Why have you still not presented a logical argument for me scum?

I saw the one you did, but keyword: logic

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@Valhalla -- why still no questions to townblock or egg?

Why have you still not presented a logical argument for me scum?

I saw the one you did, but keyword: logic

Already did in my read wall which you managed to read at super human speeds.

Now my question to you is: You were supposedly roleblocked/caused action to fail/whatever by two people. Why are you not even remotely interested in investigating those people?

Our vote is on Egg, which means I want my rope friend " Detective Friction" to investigate his neck.

- Zach

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Also: Here's a good advice to you all.. have your medication handy at your grasp. I intent to get you all to pull off your hair (if you're not as bald as I am)

He's not lying. I'm still traumatized.

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Also: Here's a good advice to you all.. have your medication handy at your grasp. I intent to get you all to pull off your hair (if you're not as bald as I am)

He's not lying. I'm still traumatized.

@Valhalla you actually understood what a50 is talking about?

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@Zach that is the most funny nonsense I have ever seen.

GIF posted that in the dead pt

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so join the math wagon

seriously math is scumz they are pinging my scumdar something fierce

So could you explain like I am 5 why in the he double hockey stick you talked about being blue Vall?

I believe that was dunn who said that IIRC?

but the only context for that being a joke about epicmafia comes in -after- you said it, with somebody else taking it as a joke. Which you did nothing to confirm or deny, and you instead just put up more lyrics to the song.

>Everyone is claiming vanilla town
>I say "I'm blue" which means vt in epicmafia (which this is not epicmafia) which transcend who was right there would know about
>Transcend reacts
>I play it off as the song

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Looks like Dunn needs to drop some bars

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	Player Name	Important Info	Role	Alive or Dead
1	Creature
2	TownBlock (Dwlee99 / Murdercat / McMenno)
3	DrippingGoofball		Claimed VT, Claimed One Shot BP after Neo
4	PeregrineV
5	Blackstar		Friendly Neighbor	Dead
6	VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita)
7	serrapaladin		Claimed VT, iroanavp currently claiming serrapaladin is lying
8	Skybird
9	hebichan
10	Narna
11	Varsoon		Claimed one shot Neo, somehow checks twice
12	Egg		RBs Valhalla << Sketchiness here for other reasons
13	Blanche (gigabyteTroubadour / kraska77)		Jailkeeper/Neighbor	Dead
14	Aeronaut *
15	Elitism (Transcend / MariaR / gerryoat)
16	boring
17	amalgam (davesaz / Yume / randomidget)		Claimed Mason
18	RachMarie		Claimed Mason
19	Fire Assassin		Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor	Dead
20	Seraphim
21	Bacde		JOAT[Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Commuter/Doctor/Roleblocker]	Dead
22	Drixx
23	CCC		2 shot voyeur	Dead
24	iraonavp		Claimed VT, Claimed Neopolitan when pressured
25	Comparing Realities Accountant		JOAT[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]	Dead
26	Elyse
27	Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro)		Claimed Gunsmith
28	KlingonCelt		Claimed Mason
29	Map Wolf BBMolla
30	Lapsa
31	Foxbird		Voyeur/Neighbor	Dead
32	shos		Motion Detector/Neighbor	Dead
33	Boem_u_dusi		Claims Town PR, crumbs lover, crumbs cop, claims watcher, gets results cooberated by Egg << Sketchiness here
34	Almost50
35	Skelda
36	Hot Chocolate		One Shot Bulletproof	Dead
37	long_island_medium
38	Bellaphant *
39	Thor665 AlpacaAlpaca
40	Shaziro
41	Parama		Bodyguard/Neighbor	Dead
42	Mathblade		"Wait so Derek Jeter is famous and he didn't take steroids, or beat or murder his girlfriend or wife? I'm not sure I understand. " -- Warren Holstein

Town dead: 9 Blue Mafia dead: 1 Other Mafia dead: 0 Other dead: 0Players alive: 32

Updated table.

Would much rather lynch Valhalla who said to lynch them based on their play and then I mention an argument based on their play (e.g. not pushing Egg (or townblock but really Egg is scummier of the two) IMHO it would be because it'd reflect on him and IMHO Valhalla wants to lynch town.

Based on how little you are pushing me on, changing my reads after a night of reflection and being AFK during the end of the day, you are either scum or scum are hopping on or both. I have no problem dying to prove it, in fact it is more ideal if a townie dies for it to be me.

Between that and not outing your likely gunsmith innocent
Pushing me for having a life
Calling your gunsmith a guilty when it damn sure isn't a guilty and could have lynched a town PR role.
The obv towning of DGB early in the game for no reason I can see.
Calling iroanavp scum and then when your initial thought is validated calling him town.
As scum you like to townbeard a highly scumread player. I think you picked iroanavp.

Except we've been pushing egg ever since the results came out

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just keep in mind math you could be wrong

town is often wrong

ESPECIALLY this early in a game

I do keep that in mind. Hence why they are reads. And my scumreads are my willing to lynch pile. Outside of that not willing to lynch. It is an awesome concept.

@Valhalla -- why still no questions to townblock or egg?

But I did ask them questions. I asked them both to claim their roleblocks before proceeding further

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PEDIT @ Vall

Egg did claim he blocked Elyse

I saw that

Doesn't really give me confidence in him

Also the fact that we have 3 flipped town roleblockers..... lynch this guy

-Dunn

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Still waiting on townblock (a 3-headed hydra!) to stop lurking and out their results

-Dunn

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Valhalla you're not pushing.

We're waiting for townblock.

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Cookie bakers you're not going to like that the alternative is that parama protected someone other than you (like boem)

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Now let's look at the people who have posted the word blue in reference to themselves or an action/read:

1) Valhalla --- I'm blue dabu dee da bu die is an Eiffel65 reference It's also very obscure. Most of the players are younger players. This likely means this was a message targeted specifically to an older player such as Titus. As noted in the game I replaced into they did no such crumb.

I have to reiterate this: LOL

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Right. So we saw Bacde get roleblocked.

3 town roleblockers have already flipped

Lynch these other two

-Dunn

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between blanche, bacde, comparing realities?

I... don't know that, the last two slots I really have no clue and they never indicated that I think

-Dunn

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Right. So we saw Bacde get roleblocked.

3 town roleblockers have already flipped

Lynch these other two

-Dunn

I assume this was night 1?

~Memeo

You mean the night you roleblocked us?

No, it was night 2, when bacde died.

VOTE: Townblock

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Attention: Townblock just slipped, more votes there please

-Dunn

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"slipped" what the fuck

oh right you mean the part were I forgot we roleblocked you when you said you saw bacde being rb'd

because all humans have perfect memory right

~Memeo

its been 2 nights and you forgot your 1st night action due to happenstance?


come forth, townies. we must lynch this.

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~Memeo

what type of rope do you prefer

Now let's look at the people who have posted the word blue in reference to themselves or an action/read:

1) Valhalla --- I'm blue dabu dee da bu die is an Eiffel65 reference It's also very obscure. Most of the players are younger players. This likely means this was a message targeted specifically to an older player such as Titus. As noted in the game I replaced into they did no such crumb.

I have to reiterate this: LOL

That song isn't even that obscure.

Maybe not but Yung Math used that as a solid reason and I can't abide by that.



- Zach

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~Memeo

what type of rope do you prefer

dense, like yourself :^)

~Memeo

No, no, that's not a type, I'm talking about manila, hemp, nylon maybe.

You'll have plenty of time to discuss density when you're packed under dirt.

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Townblock, you aren't sounding very convincing to me. I'd like you to explain reasoning behind roleblocking Valhalla and Skelda in more depth.

Valhalla- obviously they meant to draw a lot of attention with that quickhammer. don't feel like investigatives would bother with them (as investigative you should investigate null reads... not some loud player attracting investigators). felt like it might be wifomy scum. it's better than rolling the lurker dice. I admit we didn't really think it through, though

So you would roleblock someone you wouldn't investigate? LMAO

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But blocking Valhalla ... Can't buy that.

He certainly was not a town read of mine

Your reads were way off in this regard tho so its a nonissue

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Attention: Shaziro is assuming that there are "red scum" in an effort to soft to the blue scum team, if a red scum flips I advise everyone to take a look at this

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Attention: Shaziro is assuming that there are "red scum" in an effort to soft to the blue scum team, if a red scum flips I advise everyone to take a look at this

Red is the default scum color, and other people have said red scum before. If you're going to try and discredit me, try a bit harder.

You have literally discredited yourself with that excuse for a case on us



- Zach

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So almost guy is in my hood and also feels like scum. Also feel like.math is scum.

I'm semi VLA and phone only for a bit

He always feels like scum to me

By which I mean, I don't see where they forgot it, it confuses me...

He asked us what night we got our result on

-Dunn

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What Dunn hasn't mentioned is that barring the " slip ", TownBlock is still most likely scum or Egg

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This neighborhood mechanic is what killed the fun in this game for me. I'll just out my results every day and post an occassional sardonic comment until I get NK'ed.

What's wrong with the neighborhoods

Opinions on Skybird

Go

SCUMMY

Not really responding to anything important

Dirty fakeclaimers, for example.

By the way guys you know how we said bacde got roleblocked?

Bacde was themselves had a roleblocking ability

Comparing realities had a roleblocking ability (but visited cookie bakers)

Blanche had a roleblock ability

I'd be inclined to believe that whoever roleblocked bacde is more likely to be town than not

So... do we really think town has

6

town roleblocking abilities

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-Dunn

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Yeah, Dunn likes to do this Smurf. He gets into situations that HE creates and in situations where it would be better to be honest, he continues to try to bluff. We're working on this though, it's a 10 step program.

If that's a stated defense - then be quietly reasonable towards people who point the stuff out.

What were you going for here?

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@Townblock,

Since Dwlee and your other head don't seem to be playing, can you give a reads list of just your thoughts?

~Titus

VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita) - most scummy of all "active" posters. "oh a joat has a rb ability = roleblocker something something setup spec something something scumslip something something" "oh no we're not scum because we slipped" "hey you're scum because you slipped" and a lot more where that came from

so we're the scummiest of all players

i can buy that when you rb n1 but not when you rb someone else n2 and forget that you RB'd us n1


Also, you YOURSELF said that investigatives shouldn't have bothered with us because all we were doing is being " loud ". This does not align with your current super scumread on us.

Townblock, you aren't sounding very convincing to me. I'd like you to explain reasoning behind roleblocking Valhalla and Skelda in more depth.

Valhalla- obviously they meant to draw a lot of attention with that quickhammer. don't feel like investigatives would bother with them (as investigative you should investigate null reads... not some loud player attracting investigators). felt like it might be wifomy scum. it's better than rolling the lurker dice. I admit we didn't really think it through, though

but anyways what you're doing now is continuing to deflect and not towning it up

any further attempts to deny this will be met with severe memesistance from ME, motherfucker.

- Zach

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nice image failure


wait a minute.. was tHAT the meme?

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HOLY FUCK HE JUST

@Townblock,

Since Dwlee and your other head don't seem to be playing, can you give a reads list of just your thoughts?

~Titus

Creature - kind of lurking it out and throwing a vote down on my wagon. don't like that
DrippingGoofball - don't like the way she handled the claiming and neo situation
PeregrineV - not enough content
VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita) - most scummy of all "active" posters. "oh a joat has a rb ability = roleblocker something something setup spec something something scumslip something something" "oh no we're not scum because we slipped" "hey you're scum because you slipped" and a lot more where that came from
serrapaladin - I think he's town
Skybird - would lynch 7/10
hebichan - no read
Narna - don't like this slot
Varsoon - probably town at this point in time
Egg - looks okay-ish to me. don't really like his elyse roleblock, and maybe scum by poe
Aeronaut - post moar pls
Transcend - yeah this is town
boring - lots of sheeping. not a lot of original thoughts. got a little better with recent posts. not sure what to think about it atm. does anyone here have more experience with boring?
Seraphim - I'd lynch this so hard
Drixx - not sure leaning town

iraonavp - pretty sure this is just caught scum

Elyse - town
Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro) - townlean
Map Wolf - not enough of the postings yet
Lapsa - trolly scum or trolly town? only time will tell.
Foxbird - no content
Boem_u_dusi - won't discard this as scum, getting more likely by the minute
Almost50 - null leading town
Skelda - I think this is scum

long_island_medium - I don't like the WKing tbh. can ira check this next night

Gollum - claimed miller, but predecessor didn't. no opinion
Thor665 - null
Shaziro - I like this guy
Mathblade - town

@valhalla why did you voyeur bacde

please lynch this shit oh my god

- Zach

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Valhalla is pushing Town Block quite hard for bad play rather than scumtells. Oh he missed Long Island redacting the vt claim

and

forgot he roleblocked someone? I don't think either of those are alignment indicative unless you straight up don't believe Townblock to be a roleblocker.

Ya but when they claim ira is hard scum in one line and literally acknowledges that ira's role is valid in another, then we have prime rope material

even Shaziro changed votes because we were never getting lynched anyway

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Why the fuck is TownBlock not turned over yet?

Read my #3320 and #3213 if you guys haven't

My initial suspicion on townblock was that McMenno just wasn't paying much attention to the game and didn't keep track of what the others had done well. But when he then goes and scumreads iraon and then expects him to use his role as if he were town...that's just faking reads.

^^

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Oh I see your point now. Dudes just let me be spicy and scum lean

Zach

your slot in peace.

Valhalla - I hate hydras backpedaling on each other. They are generating a lot of discussion for town though, quality bartending.

How are you gonna scumlean Zach, anyway? I'm probably the obvtowniest person here.

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Oh I see your point now. Dudes just let me be spicy and scum lean

Zach

your slot in peace.

Valhalla - I hate hydras backpedaling on each other. They are generating a lot of discussion for town though, quality bartending.

How are you gonna scumlean Zach, anyway? I'm probably the obvtowniest person here.

Bullshit. You are claimed scum.

lmfao

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And the SCUMMIEST POST IN THE GAME AWARD GOES TO.....

HOLY FUCK HE JUST

@Townblock,

Since Dwlee and your other head don't seem to be playing, can you give a reads list of just your thoughts?

~Titus

Creature - kind of lurking it out and throwing a vote down on my wagon. don't like that
DrippingGoofball - don't like the way she handled the claiming and neo situation
PeregrineV - not enough content
VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita) - most scummy of all "active" posters. "oh a joat has a rb ability = roleblocker something something setup spec something something scumslip something something" "oh no we're not scum because we slipped" "hey you're scum because you slipped" and a lot more where that came from
serrapaladin - I think he's town
Skybird - would lynch 7/10
hebichan - no read
Narna - don't like this slot
Varsoon - probably town at this point in time
Egg - looks okay-ish to me. don't really like his elyse roleblock, and maybe scum by poe
Aeronaut - post moar pls
Transcend - yeah this is town
boring - lots of sheeping. not a lot of original thoughts. got a little better with recent posts. not sure what to think about it atm. does anyone here have more experience with boring?
Seraphim - I'd lynch this so hard
Drixx - not sure leaning town

iraonavp - pretty sure this is just caught scum

Elyse - town
Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro) - townlean
Map Wolf - not enough of the postings yet
Lapsa - trolly scum or trolly town? only time will tell.
Foxbird - no content
Boem_u_dusi - won't discard this as scum, getting more likely by the minute
Almost50 - null leading town
Skelda - I think this is scum

long_island_medium - I don't like the WKing tbh. can ira check this next night

Gollum - claimed miller, but predecessor didn't. no opinion
Thor665 - null
Shaziro - I like this guy
Mathblade - town

@valhalla why did you voyeur bacde

please lynch this shit oh my god

- Zach

oh no, I am telling a scum with a confirmed role to investigate a scumspect? how could I? if they're on different teams, I'm sure ira wants to catch other scum too. and if they're on the same team, then when ira says he got a negative on lim and lim flips scum, he's screwed. all of this is moot because lim fakeclaimed vanilla in the first place and later retracted it

Oh I see your point now. Dudes just let me be spicy and scum lean

Zach

your slot in peace.

Valhalla - I hate hydras backpedaling on each other. They are generating a lot of discussion for town though, quality bartending.

How are you gonna scumlean Zach, anyway? I'm probably the obvtowniest person here.

why are you so intent on stifling discussion

~Memeo

- Zach

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@mod can you please either confirm or deny if you are running follower in exactly the way the wiki describes?

Per the Wiki, the Follower learns what action a player performed, but not who that player targeted.

Learns -what- action, not what -type- of action. There you go.

Glad Math chose to out that, yes, I am odd night. Totally not information I was keeping scum from knowing. Fucking incredible.

That's not how a follower works as described in the wiki
Looks like you've misunderstood your fake claim

VOTE: Shaziro

Willing to get Shaziro over townblock as it looks like Shaziro slipped and is just 100% mafia
If a vig were to target a claimed roleblocker that would be SWELL

Also Long island medium is town you apes

-Dunn

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Look, if it takes you lynching me to decide if this thing is bastard then fine, go for it.

VOTE: Shaziro

I'm effectively dead tonight by scum anyhow.

>reaction to "blue scum" voting him

Don't give in to the l-15 ate that doesn't even line up with what he's saying

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-Dunn

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For the record, I still want TownBlock deader than a doornail. Don't know what ol boy Dunn is doing here

Let me add a thing. When I flip town, lynch VA-11 Hall-A for me. You'll be better off for it. TIA.

lol he is right though you're L-15 or something lmfao dont cry now




- Zach

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Lapsa's town.

hey lapsa this is like the 7th strike for Thor, what gives man?

My initial suspicion on townblock was that McMenno just wasn't paying much attention to the game and didn't keep track of what the others had done well. But when he then goes and scumreads iraon and then expects him to use his role as if he were town...that's just faking reads.

Mhmmhm

Also Shaziro is town GET OFF HIM

This decision did not go through me

- Zach

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VOTE: Townblock

-Dunn

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We didn't crumb shit. Stop running with that.

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Don't really have time to fully read currently but am happy with my vote and would also consider voting town block. What was his slip?

Read what's contained in here;

tell me his response to that isn't scummy as shit

And the SCUMMIEST POST IN THE GAME AWARD GOES TO.....

HOLY FUCK HE JUST

@Townblock,

Since Dwlee and your other head don't seem to be playing, can you give a reads list of just your thoughts?

~Titus

Creature - kind of lurking it out and throwing a vote down on my wagon. don't like that
DrippingGoofball - don't like the way she handled the claiming and neo situation
PeregrineV - not enough content
VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita) - most scummy of all "active" posters. "oh a joat has a rb ability = roleblocker something something setup spec something something scumslip something something" "oh no we're not scum because we slipped" "hey you're scum because you slipped" and a lot more where that came from
serrapaladin - I think he's town
Skybird - would lynch 7/10
hebichan - no read
Narna - don't like this slot
Varsoon - probably town at this point in time
Egg - looks okay-ish to me. don't really like his elyse roleblock, and maybe scum by poe
Aeronaut - post moar pls
Transcend - yeah this is town
boring - lots of sheeping. not a lot of original thoughts. got a little better with recent posts. not sure what to think about it atm. does anyone here have more experience with boring?
Seraphim - I'd lynch this so hard
Drixx - not sure leaning town

iraonavp - pretty sure this is just caught scum

Elyse - town
Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro) - townlean
Map Wolf - not enough of the postings yet
Lapsa - trolly scum or trolly town? only time will tell.
Foxbird - no content
Boem_u_dusi - won't discard this as scum, getting more likely by the minute
Almost50 - null leading town
Skelda - I think this is scum

long_island_medium - I don't like the WKing tbh. can ira check this next night

Gollum - claimed miller, but predecessor didn't. no opinion
Thor665 - null
Shaziro - I like this guy
Mathblade - town

@valhalla why did you voyeur bacde

please lynch this shit oh my god

- Zach

oh no, I am telling a scum with a confirmed role to investigate a scumspect? how could I? if they're on different teams, I'm sure ira wants to catch other scum too. and if they're on the same team, then when ira says he got a negative on lim and lim flips scum, he's screwed. all of this is moot because lim fakeclaimed vanilla in the first place and later retracted it

Oh I see your point now. Dudes just let me be spicy and scum lean

Zach

your slot in peace.

Valhalla - I hate hydras backpedaling on each other. They are generating a lot of discussion for town though, quality bartending.

How are you gonna scumlean Zach, anyway? I'm probably the obvtowniest person here.

why are you so intent on stifling discussion

~Memeo

- Zach

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Oh no, Townblock is also probably scum, that's why I had my vote there. I think they're also scum, and they're more likely to get lynched than VA-11. That said, VA-11 pushing that means literally nothing to me. There are two scum teams, bussing is a thing, and there is an SK running around according to what I believe is the common assumption. Honestly I think we have two vigs that just aren't good shots, one probably x-shot and conserving ammo.

Does the fact that your argument for us being scum is awful mean nothing to you either?

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Oh no, Townblock is also probably scum, that's why I had my vote there. I think they're also scum, and they're more likely to get lynched than VA-11. That said, VA-11 pushing that means literally nothing to me. There are two scum teams, bussing is a thing, and there is an SK running around according to what I believe is the common assumption. Honestly I think we have two vigs that just aren't good shots, one probably x-shot and conserving ammo.

Does the fact that your argument for us being scum is awful mean nothing to you either?

thats not even how the word either is supposed to be used man now that lost all effect

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Stop rolefishing Lapsa

-Dunn

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Aside from the whole friendly neighbor thing, I'm more worried about the fact that you never counter claimed all these vt claims.

SerraPaladin claimed vt, while having the neighbor role.

Why did you never counterclaim the 4 or so vt claims? Or comment on them?

VOTE: hebichan

-Dunn

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Intent to hammer like bob the builder in this motherfucker.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Intent to hammer like bob the builder in this motherfucker.

I forgot to mention I intended to hammer in 9 minutes

VOTE: TownBlock

- Zach

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I blame mcmeemo!!!
btw egg isn't on my team
~Dwibble

Yay! That's two for two!



Also, if any bullets were to find their way to MathBlade overnight, I wouldn't be too upset.

- Zach

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Damn it I am still at work!

Someone please vig

Valhalla they are clearly scum

. I hope I can get home to update the charts for everyone.

i pack DOUBLE minnesota twin metal, I'm a trendsetter, if we beef at 11 you disappearing by 12 like cinderella


also get over yourself, no one is going to kill you except a good, conscientious, discerning town vigilante. I imagine scum want you alive to sow dissent in our ranks like you have been doing thus far.

I also have intent to hammer, unless there are objections.

the nail is already in the casket

And I'm going to suggest if I am right you owe me a million kudos post game. At work for at least another 30 minutes to hour before I can drive home.

Bruh, even if Valhalla is scum, that's a Hail Mary vig target at this point. They have a lot of content to analyze and sort with.

VA-11 Hall-A is not scum. Math is better off factoring polynomials than scumhunting, I imagine.


- Zach

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And if ANYONE vig shots us you have more terrible judgement than Dunn in NY 196. And that's saying something. It's saying something even worse when you realize I'M THE ONE WHO'S SAYING IT.

Like, I'm going to channel my inner Wake.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I blame mcmeemo!!!
btw egg isn't on my team
~Dwibble

this is a scum claim lol

i dont think mathblade

calculated

this one

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Lapsa and Map Wolf make good vig targets.

Suggestions on who to GS are open.

WOOPS i forgot to make a post

I think map Wolf is a good GS actually as opposed to vig

I like Lapsa, don't have your death sensors locked onto him just because he wants to kill you! haha, that's just

silly

.


- Zach

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Since I think GS is an innocent tool rather than scumfirming tool I would like Thor most of all

If you still think of it as a guilty maker DGB or Iroanavp or Valhalla.

all 3 names you listed are town LOL

[VA-11 Hall-A]

vig skybird???

Also the part where hebichan didn't say anything when 4 other people claimed vt is in fact what I was pointing out and they can die too

-Dunn

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I'm blue

lol
VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

lol you would think that you blatantly tunneling town! titus and town!dunnstral last game would in fact prompt better judgement from you

that would be a mistaken assumption

VOTE: Lapsa
I would be glad to go for VA-11 as well, but I'm largely gonna sheep CB.

LMFAO explain why I'm scum again without making yourself sound stupid and you get a cookie

cookie bakers will bake you said cookie


- Zach

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Lapsa is town by the way, I don't like that shit at all

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Lapsa is town by the way, I don't like that shit at all

Thoughts on Hebi and Map Wolf?

I don't have an issue with hebi presently

Map Wolf had better turn town mode on to level 96 immediately before I adorn my skeleton with his pelt

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Lapsa is town by the way, I don't like that shit at all

Thoughts on Hebi and Map Wolf?

I don't have an issue with hebi presently

Map Wolf had better turn town mode on to level 96 immediately before I adorn my skeleton with his pelt

The fact they seemed to know both blockers were in a hood doesn't bother you?

Why the pressure on MP now?

who, wHAT?

nah my keen intuition is telling me this one is green

lapsa is also green

i prefer lynching map wolf slot to lapsa 11 times out of 10

I'm blue

lol
VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

Is this soley for the post you quoted or do you have more?

I think Lapsa is scum.

VOTE: Lapsa

bad. BAD!

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Like, "Oh shit someone is voting me, better call them out for having shit judgment in a game that isn't this one!"

A+

This is golden. I said that because the post in question for which you voted us was, of course, made by Dunn, and I had assumed that you would be aware of his... less than appealing antics and seek to cultivate a productive vote in this game rather than affirming us as scum based off of the same silly NAI bullshit that garnered those sorry votes on us yesterday, wasting your time. Much to my disdain, you join the MathBlade and Shaziro camp. I had hoped you'd be better than that.

F-

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I didn't claim blue, Dunn did, and if you refer to our ISO the explanation he provides is contained within, though whether or not I agree with it or the " claim " you keep referencing is irrelevant at this point.

Do as you like.

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Oh, Dunnstral is the other head of your hydra.
Somehow, when one head of your hydra does something stupid, you can disown it by just saying, "No that wasn't me that was the other head."
Apparently.

Dunnstral and I naturally conflict when we are separate. It is not too far of a stretch to assume that will happen when we are one entity with one vote.

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How am I disowning ANYTHING? Dunn literally claimed the reference with his posts.

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Math lol even if you flip town it doesn't mean that everyone you point the finger at or everyone who tries to lynch you is scum. I'm afraid everything's not that easy.

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Math lol even if you flip town it doesn't mean that everyone you point the finger at or everyone who tries to lynch you is scum. I'm afraid everything's not that easy.

Never said it was 100% right but pretty damn sure scum are pushing me right now.

I know that there's quite a few townies who would like to " push " you off of a metaphorical cliff.

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why does lapsa targeting cb mean that lapsa had to try and kill cb? is that the implication here?

[VA-11 Hall-A]

don't worry Lapsa! I'll save you!!!

(in thought)

LAPSA TARGETED CB

DRIXX CLAIMED DOC AND TARGETED CB

CB IS NOT DEAD

HOW HARD IS IT TO PARSE THIS PEEPS

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

nope your vote was bad too

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I'm blue

lol
VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

What do you think of the fact that we were visited by blue mafia roleblocker night 1?

-Dunn

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@MathBlade The main reason TownBlock got lynched is because I watched him target VA-11 Hall-A on N1. Why would I target VA-11 Hall-A and out results if I was TownBlock teammate (blue mafia)? I'm not an idiot so you can shove that "blue mafia suspicion" up your ass.

Likewise, we claimed being roleblocked after it was announced townblock visited us.

-Dunn

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For the record I also wanted to get egg today

-Dunn

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VOTE: Egg

-Dunn

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ohh ok was not aware of that I have not played with many gunsmiths and there was not a cop in the game when I did.

Standard SKs should NOT return guilty to a Gunsmith, bc a "standard" SK uses a KNIFE for the kill, not a gun.

What are you even talking about

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Wiki calls Shaziro a liar.

No it doesn't, it's unclear

-Dunn

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Willing to lynch Egg Day 4?

(If you're playing please answer with 'Yes' or 'No.')

Boem_u_dusi

~ Yes

RachMarie

~ Yes

Creature

~ Yes

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So none of the low-posters are scum?

Seraphim was

Egg probably is

I wouldn't even mind stringing up a50 to be honest................

-Dunn

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I JUST WANT TO SCRAMBLE EGG, why are there so many guilties

VOTE: Map Wolf

-Dunn

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Yes master announce your guilty.

Oh, you're into that shit huh?

No wonder you got that sig

[VA-11 Hall-A]

hi

Paranoid Vote-venge Killer here, if you vote me you die at night be careful m8s

k bye i guess guys

STOP HARDCLAIMING YOUR ROLES YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT

i feel like it's pretty reasonable to claim mine

throw me down for maybe

Hello guys, if you don't know i am the replacement for BBmolla, and this is my first post due to yesterdays being a fast lynch.

VOTE: Mathblade
Not sure if this is the right place for my vote, but i will stay with it for now.

SKYBIRD

NEEDS

ROPE

I call animal abuse!

Probably should have just lynched this slot but apparently vedith just straight up joined the game and I don't even know who gollum is

-Dunn

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Back to another 3 day night phase

-Dunn

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I quite enjoyed Map Wolf's cordial persona, it's a shame that he has to die because he's so not town. Which is the polar opposite of what I am. Which is town.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

sky sure is blue today

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our lynch order is DGB then Egg then?

- Zach

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I JUST WANT TO SCRAMBLE EGG, why are there so many guilties

VOTE: Map Wolf

-Dunn

Can we like vig egg then


-Dunn

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Exactly, Skelda is scum trying to distract from her buddy's lynch

Then we have two mafia anyway

[VA-11 Hall-A]

stay on map wtf

even if skelda was scum he isnt going to derail map wolfs lynch

we have a conf guilty from cookie bakers over a debatable guilty from skelda.

come on Transcend, don't make me have to break out the shock-y collar

Can we like vig egg then


-Dunn

SORRY I WAS ITCHING TO USE THIS GIF

- Zach

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I believe skelda over dgb

Still preferable to shoot elsewhere and resolve that with lynches

-Dunn

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plus there was the dying declaration by townblock that egg was not blue

Keep in mind that egg and townblock both visited us night 1

So for them to be blue it would have to be like a roleblock role cop combo or something

-Dunn

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Lapsa (4): DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Shaziro, MathBlade
Egg (4): Boem_u_dusi, RachMarie, Creature, VA-11 Hall-A
hebichan (2): Cookie Bakers, Lapsa

Interesting! Math (blue) is on Lapsa (red). Creature (blue) is on Egg (?? but willing to add them as the mysterious guy on red). Lapsa (red) is on hebichan (blue).

It all fits to me.

What are you even talking about

You really think all of those are scum?

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Btw there seems to be a misconception - the other scum team is not red

-Dunn

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Skelda is as pure as fresh-fallen snow.

- Zach

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I think Dunn is high, we literally had a red scum flip

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LMAO It's funny because Dunn is straightedge

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I googled "straightedge". No alcohol? Man, that's tough.

no alcohol or drugs

he is like the perfect foil to me

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i feel like when townblock forgot stuff it was fabricated whereas skelda's amnesia reads to me like whoa why the fuck did i wake up in utah with a pennsylvania driver's license and a cowboy hat on

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i feel like when townblock forgot stuff it was fabricated whereas skelda's amnesia reads to me like whoa why the fuck did i wake up in utah with a pennsylvania driver's license and a cowboy hat on

I think Skelda is scum with Map Wolf.

That fake with half remembered shit look rushed as fuck to get it in and divert the wagon before MP flipped.

As town, he'd take his time and get the details down.

id rather flip map right now and do egg tomorrow

i see no real reason for skelda to put his ass in the line of fire for map wolf. scum have been dropping like flies, i think they want to minimize casualties.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Guys, we can lynch dgb tomorrow

Vig should shoot elsewhere (egg, skybird)

-Dunn

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Skelda's blatant town everyone, just a PSA

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I will vote with the guilty.

VOTE: Map Wolf

Egg should be lynched tomorrow if he's not vigged tonight.

What about dgb?

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Also I was blocked by Blue scum so if Map flips Blue scum or if DGB flips Red scum your whole argument falls apart.

We were blocked by blue scum night 1 (with another rb claim on us, too)

We saw bacde was roleblocked night 2

-Dunn

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come on cookie bakers the ONLY reason scum!Skelda comes out with that result is to implicate DGB and save map wolf


and that isn't really likely

and fucking DGB's reaction was:

Spoiler:

COME ON

- Zach

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oh right - they claimed a roleblock on you day 2.

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Actually we don't know how many scum are in the game? Maybe it's 4-4 and a SK?

In a 42 person game?

-Dunn

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What is the composition of blue/red scumteams? 4 red and 5 blue or vice versa?

Almost certain both scum teams would have the same amount of players

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I don't know, 10 scum seemed to be consensus. Wake's setup notes say nothing.

it used to say 5/5/32

[VA-11 Hall-A]

hebichan can eventually be vigged as well



And varsoon

-Dunn

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Varsoon please explain your vote

-Dunn

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Want to hammer the guilty or...?