Mini 1837: Family Mafia (GAME OVER)

[dramonic]

vote: postie

[dramonic]

vote: SpicyJalapenoKnocks

Will you listen to me this game Spy?

[dramonic]

Friends don't quicklynch friends
~Gendaberry

That's exactly why you're getting quicklynched and not someone else

[dramonic]

I can see the incentive behind his nacho vote and he's sticking out his neck a little...looks town

good, then i can feel comfortable calling this ^ my happy town family

i had slight pause about cakey because i do agree that the logic around his read on you is ??? but tbh it could be worse

(in lieu of readlists i will make edits to this picture for all of my townreads. spyrex might be the family dog but i'm still thinking about that one)

That is one awful townbloc.

[dramonic]

hammer Jalapeno

[dramonic]

fine, postie

That is one awful townbloc.

VOTE: Dramonic

reads?

some

[dramonic]

Probably one of the five newest players on site, OMG FRIENDSHIP!!!

EDIT: zito so full of hate

[dramonic]

Probably one of the five newest players on site, OMG FRIENDSHIP!!!

EDIT: zito so full of hate

I bow to your tremendous experience, o wizened one.

Teach me, why is friendship in a social game blasphemy?

I await your words of wisdom and deep understanding of the cosmic truths of mafia.

friendly/pleasant != town.

[dramonic]

I need a bitter old men brigade

[dramonic]

I'm neither friendly nor pleasant.

add delusional

[dramonic]

kinda proving my point

[dramonic]

hippo, what's with your vote?

[dramonic]

i still townread you in them

Have you considered that you should probably not call someone town if you're aware you can't read them worth shit?

[dramonic]

You can smell the lylo setup.

[dramonic]

...nothing?
Do you feel like i give you special attention or something?

[dramonic]

I've recently returned from a compelled vacation, so I am making an effort to [SNIP] be a nicer person overall.

I'm neither friendly nor pleasant.

[insert potshot]

[dramonic]

Zito has a hateboner for me :<

[dramonic]

On the more interesting side, Camn is probably scum.

[dramonic]

oh look we summoned him

[dramonic]

I'm townreading you but I'm this close to saying fuck it and agreeing to policy lynch you.

hi scum

[dramonic]

ok this clearly isn't gonna go anywhere

I will just have to hope for judgement bolts from heaven


VOTE: camn

Glad you've finally gone flaccid.

can you tell me what flavor the kool-aid is I'm curious

A grape cherry mix, with a hint of lime.

That sound fucking revolting.

srsly though, Camnapeno scum scum

[dramonic]

I mean seriously the reason not to lynch jalapeño is if he's scum scum would have lynched him this is the world we live in

Typo?

[dramonic]

vote: Camn

I am offended you put me in the same pool as Hippo and Jalapeno Zito >:(

[dramonic]

[dramonic]

That is semantics.

[dramonic]

I would expect new town to still believe in that, and feel he is wrong.

Have you considered reading the game postie?

[dramonic]

Hes calling Cakez new town.

[dramonic]

Dram, read on Postie?

My read on Postie breaks rule 5

[dramonic]

I'd say its because she's scum, but since shes afk right now she gets towncred

[dramonic]

to whoever asked for my reads:

I think Ran, Cakez and SpyreX are town
I think Camn and jalapeno are scum
Postie is probably town as well, just... yeah...

[dramonic]

I could still be swayed to vote Elyse

[dramonic]

meta is dumb

EDIT: It's not really well-crafted

[dramonic]

did someone say

vote: spicyjalapeno

?

[dramonic]

aight before we go to night I just wanna

dayvig: camn

oh baby

0_o
I would kinda assume that resets the votecount but WAT

[dramonic]

Im also surprised I didnt eat that bullet <_<;
Thank god for flacidity

[dramonic]

irl unicorn in real life.

*crickets*

[dramonic]

She wouldn't need to if you were both the same alignment. Also she town-read you the whole game. Have either of you tried to determine each other's alignment?

What, you don't believe in the power of friendship(tm)?

he must have had a reason to suspect Kraska or want to look into her.

Which is not information we need.
Like, at all.

[dramonic]

Ok I really need to start driving now or I'll miss first class
I'll be back when I make it to uni

at first I thought this was supposed to be a post-claim crumb and got really confused.

[dramonic]

more importantly

vote: kraska

[dramonic]

I doubt an SK would suddenly try to draw a million ties with me out of nowhere

[dramonic]

hi

[dramonic]

VOTE: nacho
I don't have a useful result unfortunately, so going with my top scumread

unless your target is one of the dead, any result is a useful result <_<

[dramonic]

been pretty disconnected from the game, busy with a million other things, but

I'm pretty sure we'll net one/two scum within camn, elyse and giga. Nacho doesn't really feel like scum to me?
I'd like to see a sober post out of camn in the near future, cuz that ranmaru scumread is ridunculous
Ran (I think it was), mason aren't investigative. Knowing one person as conftown isnt an investigation, especially when they're lovers anyways. Also whatever you're trying to get out of Cakez you should stop that. There's no reason to extract more than we already have.

vote: Elyse

gonna reread and get back into gear (or into gear period, depends on perspective)

[dramonic]

We're reading different games.

[dramonic]

I cant really imagine Ran being scum here.

[dramonic]

This is Ranmaru doing self-meta in real time,

*crickets*

[dramonic]

OK looking though a few ISOs I see SirCakez is cop, camn is doc. Are there any other claims? Also, what is the case on Elyse and Dramonic?

Camn didn't claim doc, she's just posturing.

More Camn votes please.

k.

vote: camn

[dramonic]

mislynch the low hanging fruit

*coughhypocriticalcough*

[dramonic]

Oh it's definitely noted.

[dramonic]

I'm loved, and will take 6 to lynch.

So when you're saying you're not getting lynched, it's because you think the town is too starstruck to get everyone on you.
Got it~

[dramonic]

I'll mark that down as a yes.

[dramonic]

posts like 1490 make me feel pretty good about my vote.

[dramonic]

I have no idea what stance you just took in 1502

[dramonic]

for some reason I coulda sworn 1495 was yours and was confused how you followed "camn/nacho for scum" with "but also gamma"
carry on~

[dramonic]

Do you realize how little loved-bulletproof scum makes?

I think loved-bulletproof is bs as

either alignment

Postie had to agree with Zito's shot for it to go through, so I'm working from the assumption that she didn't and Camn is not actually protected.
OR camn just automatically wins any 3p endgame for the lolz.

[dramonic]

So, the role is real. Does it make more sense as town or as scum?

This is her third claim, color me skeptical.
It makes zero sense as

either

alignment, I'm calling BS.
But if you wanna test the loved claim we can put her at 5 votes and see what happens.

EDIT: town. My scumlist is camn/elyse/giga

[dramonic]

to clarify, gamma's entrance isn't particularely impressive but House didn't feel scum to me.

EDIT: But nacho!scum isn't in this game.

[dramonic]

hey dramonic are you willing to acknowledge that the bulletproof/lover is probably town aligned?

If she's actually a bulletproof loved townie I will have some choice words for UTL, but it is more likely than a bulletproof loved mafia, yes.
inb4 3rd party.

[dramonic]

Oh look, camn is editing her claim

again

[dramonic]

unvote

[dramonic]

I am bulletproof...with a certain modifier which I'd like to keep to myself.

this is the editing I'm speaking of.

You're gonna get your coast Camn, nobody will lynch you, but swear to god when I figure how the fuck your role works I will lynch your ass, because there's no fucking way you're a bulletproof loved townie with sprinkles and a shot of amaretto.

[dramonic]

I could do a gigabyte wagon and I already gave you my thoughts on gamma.

[dramonic]

That is certainly a way to interpret my posts.

EDIT: When camn flips scum I will have the biggest "I told you so" post ready.

[dramonic]

Hysterical?
Considering inviting him to Meetreal so I can have someone to mock the whole time~

More seriously, he has nooooo concept of thinking about what he's posting and that has to come from town.

[dramonic]

Ps- dram: you got no post. I will be the one telling YOU so.

Please direct your bravado at someone who buys that bull. <3

[dramonic]

Maybe Giga is town after all...

vote: Elyse

[dramonic]

You're literally the only person commenting on that post cakez.

[dramonic]

Dram explain your read on Nacho.

town

[dramonic]

Because I read him as town.

[dramonic]

1. he's playing like town.
2. he wants me to be scum, clearly. I already answered that
3. Nobody? I had a scumlist of three, now I have a scumlist of 2. Have you considered reading my posts?

[dramonic]

You people and sucking at hydras.

[dramonic]

this post was basically calling at least one of {House, Cakez, Kraska, Postie} scum (in context, mostly house), but notice the lack of votes for any of those slots after this post... it's just a really weird post, especially after kraska flipping scum.

Actually that post was me calling you town and garbage.

@dram why am i town to you now

Cuz both my other scumreads are on your ass and with one buddy down I don't think they'd bus.
Well, Camn might, cuz she thinks she's the shit, but we're losing the game to her anyways so it's irrelevant.

[dramonic]

Why did you have that expectation, I am curious.

[dramonic]

They do Camn. I do think it's possible that Nacho and Dram are both family scum. But I'm not going to take suggestions from Nacho scum.

Safest bet is Dram, in my opinion, especially with him trying to scumread you after your claim was tested.

dude if I were scum with a traitor buddy id eat my hat over not thinking camn's the traitor cuz that role is insane

I think House would vote his entire team in the beginning. I think Dram doesn't have connections to house or Nacho (possibly) but did notice Nacho's weird votes.

ive been agreeing with most of what nacho says besides his votes on me actually so...?

As I said, I would assume house might vote both his buddies. He could just have voted one buddy and one town though to spread mis-information. It's why I'm trying to look at dayplay right now. I'm trying to sort [Dram, Nacho, Giga].

I'm in the same boat. What's bugging me about dram is that as scum, I'm very aware of how I'm reading my buddies. I find it kind of odd that Gamma slipped up with his dram read if he's his buddy. But then again it could have been a last ditch effort to spread paranoia since he knew he was going down.

@Nacho
Claim scum and I will lynch you.

Not sure what you're getting at.

and then claiming that kraska saying she would shoot dram is "throwing out a bunch of associations" is ridiculous

she did though. She had basically never mentionned me til getting copped then started yellin about shooting me.

Does the fact that Gamma Emerald seriously believed I was a lyncher not mean anything to anyone? It is CLEAR that he truly thought I was a lyncher for Nacho. As I already said, classic scum who genuinely believes another play is scum.

And now that I think about it, would he think that I would be a lyncher for scum...? Probably not. Which points to dramonic.

P-edit:
So how is that ridiculous then?

Strongly disagree? Did you miss how he adamantly opposed your lynch because "guy shes totally a lyncher!" I did that exact same play in my first scumgame and stephoscope won off of it.

[dramonic]

You and camn are pretty much conftown
If nacho is scum here he's getting a scummy.
I think it's most likely Elyse, but I removed giga from my list on a gamma town theory.
Doesn't really matter since we have at least 2 lynches so we can hit both, but I'm gonna wait til Camn is confirmed sober before voting cuz I can predict the drunkhammer

Edit: lyncher autoloses in a scumless gamestate.

[dramonic]

UTL: How would you resolve a lyncher + town gamestate?

[dramonic]

Like itd be simple to call the debate TvS to throw WIFOM everywhere but he chooses a scenario where both lynches are bad for us?
REALLY NOW?

[dramonic]

I think you'll truly understand my feelings when I say that I thought you were Traitor and not Gamma.

Oh, so you

predicted

there would be a traitor

By the way, Dram would be scum after Elyse via PoE and his reaction to the loved claim after it was tested successfully. Yet I think Elyse is the way to go here.

I'm at peace with the idea what Camn is gonna endgame us, no worries.

Edit: The pathos!~

[dramonic]

vote: elyse

[dramonic]

This means Nacho is probably town since Gamma genuinely thought I was a lyncher. I don't see him arguing this if he was scum with Nacho because he would know I'm right.

You probably shouldn't call people idiots.

[dramonic]

language

[dramonic]

OR it just might be your really shitty attitude.

[dramonic]

OR it just might be your really shitty attitude.

That wasn't at you Nacho, though it does look like an appropriate response to your post right before <.<

[dramonic]

Assuming Elyse flips town, which I assume she will after that little bitchfit, you and nacho also need to reevaluate camn. I gave you your white whale, now look at the fucking facts. This ISN'T a normal fucking scumteam, we have a traitor flip.

either one burly scum, one normal scum and a traitor, or a weakened scumteam dealing with an unkillable.

There's no fucking way it's the latter.

I mean, I'm probably getting lynched tomorrow anyways, but when she flips scum I will have called that shit.

[dramonic]

...

THIS FUCKING GAME

[dramonic]

You're right, but I can't accept that Camn is a bulletproof-lynchproof townie vs a 2 man scumteam and a traitor.
It just makes no fucking sense.

I'm going back to the SK who didn't shoot cuz shes a cheeky fucker.

[dramonic]

Giga?
I really don't think it's Nacho, and whatever camn is she's not town unless she's a ninja on top of being a bulletproof-loved sundae

[dramonic]

and what do you mean camn is not town...?

I meant she's not scum, obviously.

Also I already said like 5-6 times that I bet she's third party being a cheeky mofo cuz shes immortal, but it's irrelevant cuz one of you or nacho (probably you) is scum anyways.

[dramonic]

Are you drunk again?

[dramonic]

No, just your votecount dating are... excellent

[dramonic]

It is PoE yes.
As I said yesterday, I really cant see Nacho being scum with how he's played this game. I really don't think yesterday was scum theater either.

[dramonic]

...Do you not understand how PoE works?

[dramonic]

How very narrowminded.
If you need someone to hold your hand ask nacho.

[dramonic]

I'm pretty sure I've said plenty of times that I don't think you care who is lynched.
Speaking of Nacho (and Giga for that matter), where the fuck are they? <_<

[dramonic]

no lynching will just get you killed Nacho.
I'm the favored lynch for both you and camn, I doubt Giga will shoot me.

[dramonic]

(that means im for massclaim)
Camn should give her final "im totally not 3rd party" claim and we can move from there?

[dramonic]

Sure

I'm Grandma Dee Jones, Vanilla Townie. This old lady ain't got much time left :<

Nacho ->

[dramonic]

do they pull the mad buddying day 1 like they did?

Not sure how that's any better than the mad distancing you're theorizing about

[dramonic]

*worse

[dramonic]

At the time it seemed so weird.. not like normal bussing or scum theatre or anything.

That's probably just cuz he's pissy that not everyone cares to deal with his shit.
You're really grasping at anything to paint me as scum

Since you're soooooo obviously town, I want you to perform the hammer then

[dramonic]

I wonder how many times I have to tell you I don't think you're town so it's pointless for it to sink in.

[dramonic]

I don't think Camn is scum, I think she's a cheeky 3rd party like an SK who chose to not shoot cuz it's

hilarious

I think

vote: Giga

is scum

If Camn is town this game was ridiculously town-sided IMO.


Sorry bout the delay, I'm pretty fucking sick. Again if I'm to be hammered I'd like for Camn to be the hammer vote.

~reasons~

[dramonic]

Dramonic keeps riding the same old pony, cuz he has lost this game.

While I would enjoy my town win, I don't think it's possible here, so I guess you ARE right.
Sure, if Giga gets lynched and we win I'll be happy, but it will be followed by a stern conversation with UTL and her reviewers on the nature of balnace.

[dramonic]

Also.. here we are in Lylo. So..it's balanced. QED.

That's... not how balance works... at all...

But ps- what Townie is ever so pissed about the town being OVERpowered?

Like..wtf?

The only universe where you are truly upset about too much town power is the one where you are scum.

Just confess.

If it's unbalanced I will bitch (to the mod) regardless of alignment. I was handed a free win in a game I think two years ago? And I gave plenty of shit to the mods for it, even if it was instant victory. Maybe you care solely about winning regardless tho, that's you.

AANNDD... if you ARE town, you are about to get lynched and deliver us a town LOSS...all the while complaining that the town (which is theoretically losing) is overpowered.

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING HERE?

Correction: if YOU are town, you are about to lynch me and deliver us a town loss because you're too salty about me calling your role bullshit and can't get over it.

[dramonic]

Again, im not pushing a camn lynch <_<

[dramonic]

I already said like 5-6 times that I bet she's third party being a cheeky mofo cuz shes immortal, but it's irrelevant cuz one of you or nacho (probably you) is scum anyways.

[dramonic]

I think we're in prisoner's dilemna.

[dramonic]

My perspective is that camn doesn't give a fuck who is lynched, so I can't realistically sway her anyways.

[dramonic]

Then she needs to vote Giga and you're the only one who can get that through to her cuz she is convinced I'm scum, so... gl with that!
She wants me to justify House's play, I can't do that <_<

[dramonic]

I asked like three times for Camn to be the hammer though <.<

EDIT: You and Giga both seem pretty fixated on her being town, so yes, this game is a loss anyways.
My push on Giga is weak because my vote on Giga is PoE.

[dramonic]

the correct play for him is to push for a mislynch (i.e., self-vote) or a no-lynch and hope for a crosskill (no fucking way is camn a FULL BP as a serial killer).

full BP is very common for an SK actually.

[dramonic]

The correct play is to try to lynch the scum, because if I'm wrong and camn is town, we win, whereas if I'm right Camn has already won so it doesn't matter.
The correct play is NEVER "self-vote"

And no lynching will just get nacho killed, I already said that.

Thanks for trying tho.


EDIT: In a mini, yes. If a modifier were to drop, it'd be the loved anyways.

[dramonic]

"the chance of crossfire" only applies when random shooting <_<

[dramonic]

Quoted for zito.

Yea ran you did excellent

^
that


I feel like I got murdered by associatives :<
I also feel strongly about bulletproof-loved townie >:


We killed spy and rolecopped zito N1
then kraska died so you can guess all my actions from there <.<

[dramonic]

You're BP.

[dramonic]

If there isn't a loved-bp-townie, sure! :p