Open 219: Neighborhood Watch (Game Over)

[don_johnson]

Vote Count

don_johnson (2) - ConfidAnon, Thief
guy0 (2) - Empking, Beloved Princess
Primate (2) - Chronopie, Sleepless Assassin
Thief (1) - Primate
Beloved Princess (1) - OpposedForce
Sleepless Assassin (1) - don_johnson

Not Voting (2) - guy0, Pomegranate

Fixed?

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is

Monday, May 31, 2010 at 8:00:00 PM CDT

.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

I agree with hider not claiming for the stated above reasons because there is a chance of 2/10 of actually hitting scum (excluding the hider himself).

actually, 11 players alive, 10 after the lynch.

scum lynch: 2/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

town lynch: 3/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

but i'm not going to argue this anymore. the watchers do add a variable which i can't calculate. let's get some more SA votes.

guy0: how's that "moving the discussion forward" thing workin' out for ya?

[ConfidAnon]

It is unfortunate that one of the more valuable town power roles was killed by pure chance, but I don't think we should be hasty as a result of it.

Yes the deadline is relatively soon, but we shouldn't sacrifice being thorough as a result of it, let's just do what we can.

Unvote

This bothers me, not sure why yet.

okay. don't freak out. but.

at some point before the end of the day our hider should claim. DO NOT CLAIM YET. it is my understanding of the role that hider dies if they hide behind scum, no? so better to be out in the open and verbalizing targets. agree/disagree?

I agree, but to a point. This is ripe for scum manipulation.

@ Beloved Princess

Perhaps the reason that I don't seem to be doing active scumhunting is because we're on page 2 with the bulk of posts being either about random voting, or what to do about the hider. What I'm trying to do is move the discussion forward so that scumhunting can actually begin

So you are happy to wait until others start scumhunting before you jump in? That's what I've gathered from this.

Unvote, Vote: guy0

Your posts read like you are posting fluff in order to seem protown.

[guy0]

So apparently people don't understand the meaning of moving the discussion forward. Perhaps one could move the discussion forward by trying to move people away from a topic that isn't relevant to scum hunting?

Let's say everyone was talking about umm... let's see ... how the hider role works, and what to do about whether or not that person chooses to claim. Seeing as people have already complained about that fact that the deadline is so soon, perhaps we shouldn't waste our time discussing trivial matters.

DJ is starting to worry me a little. Don't take this in an OMGUS sense as it isn't that way at all. First he tries to make some argument for why the hider should not only claim but that the hider should also announce who they are going to hide behind. After that he tries to jump on someone for an entirely insignificant point that carries no weight.

At least confid had some legitimate reason for voting me, but DJ just keeps posting the same thing, and has yet to add anything of value to the discussion. He's really quick to point the finger at people, or just to confuse people in general.

So he either has some motive, or is just a complete idiot.

[guy0]

also in post 19 he is also pointing the finger at people for more insignificant facts. Sorry for two separate posts btw.

[Pomegranate]

I will be

V/LA until Thursday night

, or around then.

[ConfidAnon]

So apparently people don't understand the meaning of moving the discussion forward. Perhaps one could move the discussion forward by trying to move people away from a topic that isn't relevant to scum hunting?

The issue I have is that you are saying you are trying to move discussion forward, but you aren't doing anything about it.

You have a random vote, a fluffy motivational post, a continuation of the hider discussion which you say you are trying to subvert, and then responses to people calling you out on it.

However, your most recent post is definitely a step in the right direction.

[guy0]

@ confid

I know and I understand my posts haven't had much substance aside from the last one, but that's because there hasn't been enough to talk about aside from this theory from my last post.

I want to hear DJ's response / other people's responses before I can say more things.

[don_johnson]

i must be an idiot.

i thought i was engaging in discussion. apparently i am "pointing fingers"? you can clarify that at any point in time.

imo, how to get the most use out of our hider is not a "trivial matter". the game may very well hinge on it. but i digress, as you say you'd rather talk about something else. so, what do you want to talk about? howsabout you flesh out this "finger pointing" thing?

[guy0]

did anyone notice we've already lost a town powerole?

maybe rvs should end here and now.

vote: sleepless assasin

for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.

discuss.

Here you accuse Sleepless

What I'm trying to do is move the discussion forward so that scumhunting can actually begin

really? is

that

what you're trying to do?

Here you accuse me with 8 words and no backing

Vote Count

Beloved Princess (2) - guy0, OpposedForce
don_johnson (2) - ConfidAnon, Thief
guy0 (2) - Empking, Beloved Princess
Primate (2) - Chronopie, Sleepless Assassin
Sleepless Assassin (1) - don_johnson
Thief (1) - Primate

Not Voting (1) - Pomegranate

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is

Monday, May 31, 2010 at 8:00:00 PM CDT

.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

I agree with hider not claiming for the stated above reasons because there is a chance of 2/10 of actually hitting scum (excluding the hider himself).

actually, 11 players alive, 10 after the lynch.

scum lynch: 2/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

town lynch: 3/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

but i'm not going to argue this anymore. the watchers do add a variable which i can't calculate. let's get some more SA votes.

guy0: how's that "moving the discussion forward" thing workin' out for ya?

Here, after an incorrect informal vote count, you state the obvious followed by a repetition of the accusation on me. I might add that this post was made 4 hours after your last one. Are you too anxious and need to stay on this site all day?

In terms of other things you’ve said that bother me that are not related to random accusations.

okay. don't freak out. but.

at some point before the end of the day our hider should claim. DO NOT CLAIM YET. it is my understanding of the role that hider dies if they hide behind scum, no? so better to be out in the open and verbalizing targets. agree/disagree?

Here you ask hider to claim and verbalize their target, this netting a two for one NK for scum, bad idea of course.

i must be an idiot.

i thought i was engaging in discussion. apparently i am "pointing fingers"? you can clarify that at any point in time.

imo, how to get the most use out of our hider is not a "trivial matter". the game may very well hinge on it. but i digress, as you say you'd rather talk about something else. so, what do you want to talk about? howsabout you flesh out this "finger pointing" thing?

Obviously discussing the hider is not an unimportant thing, but it was discussed ENOUGH for the time being. There is no need to continue harping on something that we all understand needs to be discussed more when it becomes more relevant (ie when the hider chooses to claim for whatever reason, or it becomes apparent that the hider needs to claim as per the wanting of the masses etc etc).

You continue to use sarcasm afterwards for some reason I cannot fathom and then ask me to re-explain that which I just mentioned a few posts ago, and use quotes around finger pointing for …. Ummm …. Dramatic effect? I don’t know.

[guy0]

Now I would actually like to hear a reaction from you this time that isn't just asking for a repetition of what I said. Again sorry for multiple posts.

[Chronopie]

@Guy0: The vote count was edited into the post by the Mod. Not an informal VC.

[don_johnson]

did anyone notice we've already lost a town powerole?

maybe rvs should end here and now.

vote: sleepless assasin

for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.

discuss.

Here you accuse Sleepless

yes. i am accusing him of a suspect rvs vote. i am moving the game forward.

What I'm trying to do is move the discussion forward so that scumhunting can actually begin

really? is

that

what you're trying to do?

Here you accuse me with 8 words and no backing

no. i asked you a question. it was a bit rhetorical, but its still a question. you said you are trying to move discussion forward. and then you ended the post.

i

started discussion.

i

moved us out of the rvs.

i

laid down a vote which has yet to be responded to. what exactly have you done? oh, that's right, you've accused me of fingerpointing. maybe you need a dictionary.

Vote Count

Beloved Princess (2) - guy0, OpposedForce
don_johnson (2) - ConfidAnon, Thief
guy0 (2) - Empking, Beloved Princess
Primate (2) - Chronopie, Sleepless Assassin
Sleepless Assassin (1) - don_johnson
Thief (1) - Primate

Not Voting (1) - Pomegranate

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is

Monday, May 31, 2010 at 8:00:00 PM CDT

.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

I agree with hider not claiming for the stated above reasons because there is a chance of 2/10 of actually hitting scum (excluding the hider himself).

actually, 11 players alive, 10 after the lynch.

scum lynch: 2/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

town lynch: 3/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

but i'm not going to argue this anymore. the watchers do add a variable which i can't calculate. let's get some more SA votes.

guy0: how's that "moving the discussion forward" thing workin' out for ya?

Here, after an incorrect informal vote count, you state the obvious followed by a repetition of the accusation on me. I might add that this post was made 4 hours after your last one. Are you too anxious and need to stay on this site all day?

vote count isn't mine. and no. it wasn't obvious. i was correcting the incorrect math posted by OF. after a lynch, the player number will be down to 9, not 10. i finished school and have a week before i am back to work full time. i check in on ms frequently when i am around my computer. post 58 and 59 are just a minute apart, and just over an hour after post 56. does that make you "anxious"?

In terms of other things you’ve said that bother me that are not related to random accusations.

okay. don't freak out. but.

at some point before the end of the day our hider should claim. DO NOT CLAIM YET. it is my understanding of the role that hider dies if they hide behind scum, no? so better to be out in the open and verbalizing targets. agree/disagree?

Here you ask hider to claim and verbalize their target, this netting a two for one NK for scum, bad idea of course.

theres a reason the game has more townies than scum. cracking a few eggs is how omelettes are made. also, everyone seems to be ignoring the dynamic aspects of the game. would you like me to continue to flesh out my thought process? i was under the impression that you didn't want to have

this

discussion.

i must be an idiot.

i thought i was engaging in discussion. apparently i am "pointing fingers"? you can clarify that at any point in time.

imo, how to get the most use out of our hider is not a "trivial matter". the game may very well hinge on it. but i digress, as you say you'd rather talk about something else. so, what do you want to talk about? howsabout you flesh out this "finger pointing" thing?

Obviously discussing the hider is not an unimportant thing, but it was discussed ENOUGH for the time being. There is no need to continue harping on something that we all understand needs to be discussed more when it becomes more relevant (ie when the hider chooses to claim for whatever reason, or it becomes apparent that the hider needs to claim as per the wanting of the masses etc etc).

if you don't want to talk about it, then stop.

You continue to use sarcasm afterwards for some reason I cannot fathom and then ask me to re-explain that which I just mentioned a few posts ago, and use quotes around finger pointing for …. Ummm …. Dramatic effect? I don’t know.

again. show me the "finger pointing". if your definition of "finger pointing" is the same as "voting", then i am guilty. so by "finger pointing", did you mean voting? and by "people", did you mean "SA"?

[don_johnson]

You continue to use sarcasm afterwards for some reason I cannot fathom and then ask me to re-explain that which I just mentioned a few posts ago, and use quotes around finger pointing for …. Ummm …. Dramatic effect? I don’t know

quotes are used to avoid miscommunication. by putting quotes around the term that you used to describe my actions, we can avoid pointless discussions of misrepresentation. i.e. the quotes are there to show that that is the exact wording you used. my issue is that i don't think my actions can be described as "fingerpointing". so i want you to clarify exactly what that means. as of 58, i don't feel like you're explaining it well at all.

[Gayle]

I edit a vote count into the top post of each page. I think I fixed it, but let me know if you see any mistakes.

Vote Count

guy0 (3) - Empking, Beloved Princess, ConfidAnon
Primate (2) - Chronopie, Sleepless Assassin
don_johnson (1) - Thief
Thief (1) - Primate
Beloved Princess (1) - OpposedForce
Sleepless Assassin (1) - don_johnson

Not Voting (2) - guy0, Pomegranate

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

Pomegranate

is V/LA until Thursday.

The deadline for Day 1 is

Monday, May 31, 2010 at 8:00:00 PM CDT

.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

[Thief]

Don't mess with Thief.

I know who you are, but you don't know who I am. Yet I still feel the love.

Unvote:
Vote: OpposedForce

This guy's not getting enough attention. Weak seemingly random vote on Princess also.

[Thief]

Also the hider should only claim

if they know what they're doing

, in my opinion.
Here's another line so that you can read in between them.

Leaning town on D_J

[Sleepless Assassin]

for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.

-Scum aren't the only ones who ever FoS, obviously.
-bandwagoning in the RVS is NOT a bad thing.
-Not buddying. Just recognized your name and Confid's
-I always post a smiley at the beginning of a game. Usually it's when I confirm, but we did that by PMing the mod so couldn't do it that way.

It is unfortunate that one of the more valuable town power roles was killed by pure chance, but I don't think we should be hasty as a result of it.

Yes the deadline is relatively soon, but we shouldn't sacrifice being thorough as a result of it, let's just do what we can.

Unvote

Wow, this sounds so forced.

okay. don't freak out. but.

at some point before the end of the day our hider should claim. DO NOT CLAIM YET. it is my understanding of the role that hider dies if they hide behind scum, no? so better to be out in the open and verbalizing targets. agree/disagree?

No. At most, we hypoclaim. For example, everyone says "if I'm a hider, I hid behind XXXXX last night and will hide behind XXXXX tonight." That's what we did last time I played this setup.

Agree. It's definitely best if we know the hider's target. We can confirm townies and scum. It's worth it in this setup, when we know that there's a hider. I've been Hider before, and this makes sense.

I think I'd vote Primate if he wasn't the largest BW at this point. Maybe soon.

Unvote, Vote Pomegranate

First of all, love how you jump all over the idea of giving up our power role like that.

Second, why not vote Primate? Afraid of looking like a scummy wagoner? Massive scum tell right here.

Seeing these arguments, I'm swayed. Sorry dj.

lol that's because people are arguing against it and you don't want to look scummy.

So the scum are Pom, guy, and Primate. Cool, we'll win this pretty quickly.

[ConfidAnon]

Leaning town on D_J

Any particular reason for this?

[don_johnson]

unvote

i approve of post 66

vote: pomegranate

now we need to see how they feel about each other.

[OpposedForce]

]
I agree with hider not claiming for the stated above reasons because there is a chance of 2/10 of actually hitting scum (excluding the hider himself).

actually, 11 players alive, 10 after the lynch.

scum lynch: 2/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

town lynch: 3/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.

but i'm not going to argue this anymore. the watchers do add a variable which i can't calculate. let's get some more SA votes.

guy0: how's that "moving the discussion forward" thing workin' out for ya?

That was my mistake, I miscounted the number of players. But I still think that it would be a better strategy going into Day 2 because Day 1's lynch would provide alot more information for the next day. Also if there were to be a town or scum lynch the chances of the hider dying wouldn't be 2/9 to 3/9. It would be 3/9 to 4/9 simply because if the hider hides behind someone who is targeted they die along with the target so the chance of being killed is increased thus why hider claim would not be good Day 1 but better Day 2.

Don't mess with Thief.

I know who you are, but you don't know who I am. Yet I still feel the love.

Unvote:
Vote: OpposedForce

This guy's not getting enough attention. Weak seemingly random vote on Princess also.

K

Don't like the Pomegranate votes.

[Primate]

Unvote

Vote: Pomegranate

D_J, I don't see anything objectionable about Guy. Don't think he's defending himself well though.

Thief, am neutral on opposed force. I can see possibilities there but he hasn't done enough yet, imho (And I don't think it's been long enough into the game for that to be in itself a factor). Agree with your assesment of D_J.

[Sleepless Assassin]

now we need to see how they feel about each other.

Who?

Don't like the Pomegranate votes.

Why?

[Beloved Princess]

Perhaps the reason that I don't seem to be doing active scumhunting is because we're on page 2 with the bulk of posts being either about random voting, or what to do about the hider. What I'm trying to do is move the discussion forward so that scumhunting can actually begin

That's not an excuse~.

I meant to say that we should play some jump rope and hopscotch together.

I was thinking something along the lines of a candlelit dinner on the beach, with a mariachi playing just for us.
But if you want to play hopscotch, that's fun too.

That Thief guy sounds pretty cool~. He also sounds pretty town~.

[Thief]

K

Don't like the Pomegranate votes

K

Do you still like your BP vote? Why?

[OpposedForce]

Don't like the Pomegranate votes.

Why?

Because the bandwagon is crap.

for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.

-Scum aren't the only ones who ever FoS, obviously.
-bandwagoning in the RVS is NOT a bad thing.
-Not buddying. Just recognized your name and Confid's
-I always post a smiley at the beginning of a game. Usually it's when I confirm, but we did that by PMing the mod so couldn't do it that way.

It is unfortunate that one of the more valuable town power roles was killed by pure chance, but I don't think we should be hasty as a result of it.

Yes the deadline is relatively soon, but we shouldn't sacrifice being thorough as a result of it, let's just do what we can.

Unvote

Wow, this sounds so forced.

okay. don't freak out. but.

at some point before the end of the day our hider should claim. DO NOT CLAIM YET. it is my understanding of the role that hider dies if they hide behind scum, no? so better to be out in the open and verbalizing targets. agree/disagree?

No. At most, we hypoclaim. For example, everyone says "if I'm a hider, I hid behind XXXXX last night and will hide behind XXXXX tonight." That's what we did last time I played this setup.

Agree. It's definitely best if we know the hider's target. We can confirm townies and scum. It's worth it in this setup, when we know that there's a hider. I've been Hider before, and this makes sense.

I think I'd vote Primate if he wasn't the largest BW at this point. Maybe soon.

Unvote, Vote Pomegranate

First of all, love how you jump all over the idea of giving up our power role like that.

Second, why not vote Primate? Afraid of looking like a scummy wagoner? Massive scum tell right here.

Seeing these arguments, I'm swayed. Sorry dj.

lol that's because people are arguing against it and you don't want to look scummy.

So the scum are Pom, guy, and Primate. Cool, we'll win this pretty quickly.

You accuse Pomegranate of "jumping all over" the power role strategy when other people had showed support for it previously then said statement. What's different from other support posts? Secondly he already explained why he didn't want to vote Primate, the bandwagon was too large.

Also why so brash in trying to get someone to vote on a bandwagon? Enthusiastic to quick lynch while at the same time accusing a player of being scum for not voting on it.

Unvote: Beloved Princess
Vote: Sleepless Assassin