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You're right. May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt" (better than voting a random slot)In post 13, GuiltyLion wrote:no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason isincrementally better than voting a slot randomly-
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@screaming wait did you just OMGUS me
thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean
CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.
@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)
@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.-
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Muh and saint are lurking. Their wagons are empty right now (if I'm wrong, the wagons have at most 1 vote). For scum that doesn't want to be killed, this seems to be optimal D1. And for people who think I'm scum: Consider I've helped advanced the gamestate (albeit mostly indirectly). Scum would lurk like Muh and Saint are. They are in no danger of a D1 lynch. It may be early to say this, but Saint is my first scumread-
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You're right, RVS is a bad way to scumread. I'll wait for more content before I can really say who scum is.In post 54, GuiltyLion wrote:
do you think scum is more likely to "vote for salt" than town?In post 16, chennisden wrote:May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt"
If you're town, you should probably cut the sarcasm. It'll only make scum happy.In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:
good point, better not vote or lynch anybody then I guessIn post 32, Thespio wrote:
Its also a good way to kill town.In post 30, TTTT wrote:bc it's the only way to kill scum
And I need to keep a note of this because this is the first scummy thing I've seen a person I consider towny to do. This isn't very substantive yet, but good to remember.
In post 73, CsBlastoise wrote:
Too soon to say.In post 62, TTTT wrote:@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?
Yeah, we need more than five one-liners, one of which was an EBWOP, to justify a lynch on anyone. That being said, if chen doesn't add much soon, a case could be made for lurking.In post 64, Thespio wrote:
Im not saying lets no vote, im saying lets not lynch someone 1 day into the game after a very newbie set of posts.In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:good point, better not vote or lynch anybody then I gues
Maybe a better way to respond to TTTT would have been, "Well, I think it looks more like newbie behavior than scum behavior, but, knowing that you have more experience than I do, I would not be surprised if you picked up on something I may not have." But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?In post 70, GuiltyLion wrote:
but how can you agree on this when you don't know what "things" TTTT is pointing out or why he thinks they're scummy? You asked him if he found chen scummy and he said yes, but then you decided not to follow up, that's what I'm trying to understand. …In post 66, CsBlastoise wrote:Thank you for pointing out the possibility that Thespio's actions could be scummy. I think the main part of it I agree with is not so much that TTTT is trying to push something, but thatthe things TTTT may be pointing out might just be "newbies trying to learn to play."
Sure.In post 70, GuiltyLion wrote:And you agreed with Thespio who seemed to be more against the idea of pressuring chendennis for what he's posted at all.
maybe I'm being unfair here, but if you want to ask him for input/participation, why not do that yourself?In post 66, CsBlastoise wrote:That being said, I do think we should investigate chen more, particularly by asking him directly for input and getting some participation from him — I mean, come on, he's only got five posts so far, and each one was only one line long (not counting the quote in one of them).
@Chennisden, what do you have to say about these reads on you? Anything you have to say for yourself?
About these reads: TTTT seems to be the head of my wagon (though he is advising not to lynch, not even the most beginner of scum would say "yes lynch" on D1). Given he scumread me off of basically nothing, something tells me he's trying to get me killed while trying not to look like he's getting me killed. Of course there isn't that much to go off of, but rn my strongest scumread is TTTT.In post 46, Thespio wrote:Im not trying to sell anything, you are saying he is newb scum, im teasing you because it seems silly to jump on a newbie for their first couple posts, but to solve this...
@Chen what is you background in mafia games?
And my background in mafia games - I've read 2 or 3 games to completion, including one with Thespio and Loopdan (though I won't be able to meta well, two birds with one stone right?). However, this is my first time playing.
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@Guilty yes I am aware TTTT=Loopdan. I'm not sure if he wanted it to be kept secret-ish (though on second thought he literally reveals).
And I looked at 1912 because TTTT and Thespio were in the same game and it was recent. Considering that 1912 was the only time Thespio rolled scum, it was in my opinion the most informative to read.
At this point I think hard tunneling is scum. Though I'm not very confident on TTTT scum, I do want to note that saying "don't lynch someone in <24 hrs" doesn't make him town. Even the most stupid scum wouldn't say "Hey let's kill town D1," and given TTTT is experienced he may have thought it good to establish towncred early.-
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Reads organized because mine are currently scattered:
TTTT: Slight scumlean
Screaming: basically null. one OMGUS but can be explained by 1) RVS 2) newness
Thespio: Weird case here, he has some incredibly townish behavior but some really weird scum behavior (such as, if he is scum, buddying). I will give thoughts. Since he's experienced I don't think he'd be a newbscum inconsistently playing. I have some thoughts about his role, but don't want to share them yet. Slight Town-lean (though this is subject to change). Keep in mind role not alignment
GL: Town-lean. Goes without explanation. He is simply advancing town meta.
Blastoise: I am not going to Conf-town anyone in <24 hrs. But he's the closest.
everyone else: null.
I would vote TTTT, but if he's town I don't want scum to be able to theoretically decide to hammer him if they have to. Putting anyone at L-2 is bad (but I think TTTT is scummy so scum can't completely hammer me.)-
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I was confusing some of your actions with TTTT since your initial play was very similar. And my strongest scumread is a slight one.In post 109, GuiltyLion wrote:hmmmmm
I'm not sure I totally buy this. 1912 is indeed a relevant game to look at, it has 3 players from this game in it, one of which was scum. So it's plausible an eager newbie town would decide to look through that game.
At the same time, the conclusion you reached from it feels quite shoehorned/surface level, you've since reversed it completely, and I have this crazy conspiracy theory that Thespio told you to bring up that game in your scum PT. there's something off about the fact thatyouare aware and commenting that it's Thespio's only scumgame. feels coached. You don't claim to have read any of my scum games or TTTT's scum games. Or even NMSA's scumgame which was also brought up in this thread.
but I don't wanna go too buckwild with D1 assumptions so I'm gonna sit on this and see what the less active slots wanna do. Did you notice Thespio ignored your question?
also, perhaps more significantly, I thought you were townreading TTTT. how did you go from this:
to this:In post 95, chennisden wrote:thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town LeanIn post 105, chennisden wrote:Given he scumread me off of basically nothing, something tells me he's trying to get me killed while trying not to look like he's getting me killed. Of course there isn't that much to go off of, but rn my strongest scumread is TTTT.
Yet given he knows how bad applying early pressure is (it got Townie AND PR killed), it seems he's doing this on purpose.
I need to look at Thespio deeper. He seems like he's buddying if he's Mafia-
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An "OMGUS" is when you vote for someone after they voted for you. Given that it was RVS, your OMGUS wouldn't have meant much if it didn't mean Mafia can lynch me at any time (presuming everyone on my wagon is Town).
And yeah I just picked a random name to vote for. Looking back there were better people to vote for, but hindsight 20/20-
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New read on TTTT: Scum.
He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.
Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.
But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.-
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I think you're saying Muh's inactivity is scummy.
And here's why I agree:
Let's say I get lynched. Well, I know I'll flip town. This is not good for Town.
Let's say you get lynched. If you're town (from your POV you are ConfTown) this is bad.
And inactive/lurking scum wouldn't have to do anything for it!-
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In post 29, TTTT wrote:
this is awkward tooIn post 23, CsBlastoise wrote:VOTE: Thespio for having a Sabertooth mage as his avatar.
Kidding, Sabertooth's fine. UNVOTE: .
Also, you guys seem to be taking RVS unexpectedly seriously.In post 33, TTTT wrote:
if you wanna make an omelette...In post 32, Thespio wrote:
Its also a good way to kill town.In post 30, TTTT wrote:bc it's the only way to kill scum
This kind of content in the beginning of the game. This is at first glanceIn post 141, TTTT wrote:man you are all over the place-
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Saint has requested a replacement, lets pressure the replacement when they get here.
I am willing to believe that Town TTTT may have just forgotten I never voted him. Look through my ISO for proof, TTTT
TTTT, I want to pressure everyone who isn't you right now. Then I will reevaulate my scumthoughts,-
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i dont think scummuh is likely, but i want to put pressure on him. im just saying itd be stupid if we didnt pressure him at all
TTTT you arent confscum in my eyes and i dont want to put you at L-2. assuming youre town and the other 2 on your wagon are town, scum could hammer you whenever they felt like. at the end of D1 they just have to make the excuse gotta lynch someone and theyll slip.
and for those who think my logic being bad makes me scum, it doesnt. its me being bad town (i am a little ill rn so my brain is not functioning as well as id hope)
yes I agree with TTTT, if I get lynched for poor play its a sign i need to get better.
and we should pressure NotMySpamAccount afterwards too-
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Will read through Cs ISO and give you an answer
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I think the things he are saying are too helpful to be scum. If I rolled scum, I'd lurk for a good portion of the beginning to avoid fire and try to give bad points to subtly push a mislynch. If he was scum he could easily mislynch me, but he decided to do the opposite and not get my lynched. That's fundamentally why Cs isn't scum.-
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I think it's pretty clear. He's ordering people in order of towniness. He meant that CS is more towny than TTTT who is more towny than GL.In post 216, u r a person 2 wrote:
Does this post even mean anything? I don't know who he is town reading/scum reading from this..In post 88, Thespio wrote:
Right now, reguardless of our disagreement on NAI early newbie posts, here is my list Town>Scum
CS>TTTT>GuiltyLion
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What kind of logic is this? Of course we should pressure >1 person for D1!In post 236, u r a person 2 wrote:
chen has been desperately trying to argue that other slots should be engaged/pressured ever since getting scum read Lots of other slots. Any other slot. I think it's just transparently scum.In post 194, GuiltyLion wrote:like I don't know if newbscum!Chen thinks to post 134, that just kinda vibes fundamentally honest paranoia about me. and then 136 doesn't feel like scum lying either. I think what was pinging me earlier may be just kinda awkwardness and trying to play "correctly" in a sense
@URAP I had two votes on me, TTTT and GL. I am now at L-2.-
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oops yes i am at 2 votes, forgot GL changed to Thes.
About #88 - though I do agree Thespio should clarify his reads again, we lynch off of who feels most scummy so its not as bad.
I recalled wrong about Thespio then. I do know it is his only scumgame, perhaps someone else claimed it. Regardless a meta argument is bad
as for #226, im new but not stupid. lurking would make me in the bottom of the scumreads, but I want to actually help town (because I'm town).
And I really think we should pressure some people, because what if scum isn't newb? There's 8 of you guys who could be scum. Rn we only have reads on 2 people, which isn't good.
@GL I will try to develop my own playstyle over time, rn I'm just trying things and hoping they work.-
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I know you aren't implying I'm stupid. I'm just saying that as mafia, would I really go out and be the center of attention instead of lurking? No newbscum would pull such a gambit, especially w/ coaching
And are you asking about the @GL section? I remember he said that I shouldn't worry about playing to some "norm," it was in response to that-
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putting me at L-1 means i can get insta-hammered by scum (assuming both scum aint on my wagon), and i dont think we want to insta hammer meIn post 279, EchoVision wrote:
iIn post 255, chennisden wrote:i am at L-2, if someone puts me at L-1 rn they are confscum.
also NSMA sheeping is scummy but ill read you after you post more
if deadline approaches and you don't post more, i will think you're scummyreallywanna put you at l-1 just bc of this... we'll see where the rest of these posts go and maybe when i'm done reading we'll have some fun-
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