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I'm doing nothing of the sort.In post 24, Titus wrote:so why are you insinuating I am?
My honor is impugned. This is an outrage. I will not stand for this.
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I don't know what this means.In post 30, Titus wrote:You're obviously doing something any full emotion reading skilled player would get.
I will say we are no longer in RVS as my vote is 100% legit and I'm super happy to see additional Titus votes.
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I am so helping rn.
Generate discussion? Check.
Scumhunt? Check.
Pushing wagon? Check.
I'm the towniest town the ever towned and you know it, that's why you aren't even accusing me of anything.
You could be like
"ayy this zito guy's pushing bs on me vote: zito"
or
"ayy let's dissect or hell even question this zito guy what's pushing a wagon and got me to L-2 on page 2"
but nah you're just like
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QUESTION FOR THE AUDIENCEIn post 40, Titus wrote:I have no idea what you're doing
I have accused Titus of being The Accursed Scum.
I have pushed for more votes on Titus.
I haven't really revealedwhyI feel so strongly about this.
Titus also hasn't really asked despite not knowing wtf I'm doing.
What do YOU think about this state of affairs?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Oh you. I like you.In post 64, aronagrundy wrote:I don't really believe that the vote was random. I voted for titus because I interpreted her post as first acknowledging that nn30's question about new lynches was just a newbie question, and then voting for nn30 as if nn30 legitimately wanted to push a no lynch. It just struck me as odd.
This is precisely what earned my vote. There's were some screwball mental gymnastics involved with that post and I'd love to hear Titus explain wtf was going on in her headmeat when she made it.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Shaddowez already answered this but no, it never crossed my mind that someone would fear getting lynched on page freaking 2.In post 76, Titus wrote:Seriously, did you not put together that newbie scum might suggest no lynch because they fear getting lynched?
Can you explain how "fear of getting lynched" is specific to newb scum only and not something that'd afflict newb town?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Can you show me where you attempted to do this sorting?In post 79, Titus wrote:It could be either. I voted to start the sorting process. I wanted to figure out whether the fear was town or scum motivated. The best way to do that was to increase the pressure he feels.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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No no no no no.
You stated the purpose of that vote was to "start the sorting process." The sorting process would "figure out whether the fear was town or scum motivated."
I'm asking you to show us the sorting process you're referring to.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Oh I thought you were being sassy, now I'm disappointed.In post 98, nn30 wrote:Realizing I failed to upload an avatar... Hold on...KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Can't delete or edit posts, no. Being able to edit history would make these games unplayable.In post 101, nn30 wrote:@Papa Zito is there a way to delete posts? Maybe nobody else has seen it yet.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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In post 106, Titus wrote:Ok Zito is probably town.
Just need two more town to powerblock through this.
Is this appeasement or what
I actually do want my question answered.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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idc if you're annoyed, I'm not getting what I want. I asked about your process. You said the word "process" I used the word "process" at no point did I ever dig at you about "questions". Where is your process. How does it work. Show me what it was supposed to be doing. You "increased the fear level" gr8 but how the hell does that sort anybody. Is this thing on? ¿Estoy hablando Inglés?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Like this shouldn't be so hard. I'm literally trying to get at what your motivation was on that vote cuz what was posted in-game made 0 sense. It's super easy to understand what I'm trying to get at here and thus (AND THUS) should be super easy to just provide what I'm looking for and move on. Why am I having to drag this shit over multiple pages?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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BTW if this is your criteria your vote should be on me.In post 104, nn30 wrote:I play a lot of games with a guy in real life. Lets call him Kyle (not his real name). He teaches everyone the game, leads the discussion the whole time, and then everyone votes him out of the game because he's also the most experienced (e.g. able to trick us).
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How can you have 0 read on me? I'm the loudest thing here.In post 118, nn30 wrote:So here's where my thoughts are right now. Please chime in if you agree / disagree.
I am listening. If I listened any harder my head would implode. Do you want me to have an imploded head.In post 117, Titus wrote:It's because you are not listening that's so frustrating.
I guess the part I'mstill having trouble withis that a naked vote with 0 interaction doesn't really do much to ramp up pressure so I'm just completely at a loss to how you expected to achieve your intended result. I mean is this an ego thing? Do you think Random Newbie is gonna be so scared that they were voted by The Great and Mighty Titus that they'll just wet the bed and spill the goods?
Yeah a lot of people claim meta helps them and more power to them I guess but in my experience it's trash and should be avoided at all costs. I'm not gonna make a big stink about this cuz it's not game relevant but if people wanna chat about it after that'd be fine. Re: Titus she has a rep but idgaf what she's done or said in other games, my only concern is what she says and does here. So when she posts moonbeams nonsense like this:In post 126, Dunhallym wrote:No probs. I think meta can be useful if you are conscious of its/your limitations. And I know a few people that use it very effectively.
As you are tunneling on Titus for a point that is minor to me, and because algebra seems to be the same, I was wondering if this point was particulalrly bad because it is Titus.
Do you have other reads to share?
... I mean how am I supposed to ignore this. When did THOU SHALT NOT HAVE FUN become one of the Mafia commandments. It's a game ffs.In post 125, Titus wrote:Great, so according to your own words, we're far out of RVS but you're still joking around?
Also, given your behavior towards my push, my reply details the fact you are phased. That's pretty true. Stop trying to be bigman on campus if you're town. Stop joking around. A joke is ok, but retracting a vote based on its a joke doesn't make any sense. You seem to be doing whatever it is that gets people to like you. Well guess what I like odd balls.
I have other reads yes. I don't want to share them atm tho. Don't make the mistake that a zillion other people have and decide that since I'm going hard after one particular player I'm ignoring everything else. zzzKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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@Titus: Dunny mentioned I'm tunneling you.
wellIn post 133, nn30 wrote:@papa zito - no read because you're talking so much it blurs everything.
Primarily I've been digging at Titus this whole time. Look at the questions I'm asking and observations I'm making. Do you think those further a scum agenda or a town one? Why?
The nice thing about the forum game is you can always go back and review things. I'll point you to the "Iso" feature - scroll to the bottom of the page, below the quick reply box, and you'll see "Display posts by user: "
If you select my name and push Go the page will refresh with just my posts. Even better you can push the [+] button next to it:
Now you can see our full back-and-forth. Neat!KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I wouldn't mind seeing him swing at this point. However there's a slot that's yet to chime in with much so I'm in a bit of a holding pattern waiting for that to happen. We've got plenty of time and while I certainly don't advocate using all of it just for the sake of using all of it (that's a fantastic way to kill games) I also don't wanna hit night with a giant unknown in ecane.In post 164, Morning Tweet wrote:@Papa Zito How do you feel about nn30 now? Similarly to how I feel, or is he one of your reads you don't wish to share? (131)
Also I feel like at this point I need to do some isodives because this game is surprisingly dense.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Hey guys, I'm typically not around on weekends, gonna catch up over lunch today. I didn't think that'd be a problem with a newbie game but holy crap you guys are nuts.
We've got about 6 days left so we'll want to come to a consensus fairly soon. Gotta deal with them claims yaknow.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Welp. That didn't help as much as I'd hoped it would.
I am no longer interested in lynching nn30 though, I think those voters are on the wrong track. Grundy and Big Poof strike me as bros. Algebra's a mess and I see why he's getting flak but I'm super unsure about what he's doing or why. Tweet needs to post more - Don't Let Your Dreams Be Dreams. Shadow's lack of presence continues to be a major concern. I want to throw Titus through a window regardless of her alignment.
I think that's about where I'm at.
Time to start Doing Stuff I guess I'll start here.
@algebra:Who would you say are your top 3 scumspects? I don't need reasons just a list is cool.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I said presence. AKA you're not doing anything.In post 243, shaddowez wrote:I'm also generally V/LA on weekends - the last time I posted was Saturday night, which was actually more recent than yours prior to you today. Why is it okay for you to be away, but not me?
I also have double your posts. :3KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Youcouldbut my point would still stand.
Your approach here is interesting because instead of either taking what I said to heart (and my meaning there is clear let's not play games) and actually doing something you instead try to cast it back at me and paint me as hypocritical. This is pretty classic "avoid the argument; attack the attacker" strategy.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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You're doing a good job trying to muddy some very clear waters. Let's try this again.
My comment has nothing to do with postcounts or time spent V/LA. My comment was about presence. Which I further clarified as "you're not doing anything." Because you're not. I did ISO dives on everyone in the game and in yours I see a player sitting on the sidelines taking the occasional potshot but not really getting his hands dirty.
As for your second post - I agree that asking you questions or commenting on individual posts would be a way to engage you sure. Looks like I chose not to do that!KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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@Dunny:I didn't forget you
1. WARNING: PLAYSTYLE/THEORY NONSENSE AHEAD WOOP WOOP WOOP. I believe information control, as either faction, is a key to winning mafia games. There are times when giving my opinion on a player may be more detrimental than helpful. For example, let's say I'm super suspicious of King Grundy, for whatever reason - gut, a "tell", whatever. I may not want to jump up and down and immediately announce this suspicion for several reasons. Perhaps another player is already grilling King Grundy about something, maybe even something completely unrelated - by not interrupting that process, I get to watchbothplayers' interactions and thus possibly gain valuable insight into both. Maybe nobody is paying any attention to His Royal Highness at all, in which case maybe he's feeling quite comfortable - and is more liable to slip. Maybe my read is more based on emotion which is something I can't really back up well enough or I feel isn't really worth discussing. Maybe the game state is such that if I'm being Loud and Proud I'll be drowning out other voices. There's all kinds of possibilities.
The unspoken followup question is of course "why did you express those reads now?" A few reasons: 1. I felt the conversation had died down a bit and hoped it would spark things again; 2. I'd formed a bit more of a cohesive view of the game and felt better about how I was reading things; and 3. I strongly suspect I'll be NKd tonight so it's better to have that out in the thread now.
2. Honestly most of those reads went from nulls tosomething, mostly due to lack of posting. At the time I preferred being somewhat dark and mysterious anyway in hopes that made our scum team nervous. My read on nn30 was the big one really, he flipped for a few reasons which I'm not super inclined to discuss at this point.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Ok this is probably the first time I've ever given someone an epiphany about anything so this game is now officially Best Game thanks everyone for playing.In post 270, Empoof wrote:Papa idk if I'm in some weird work headspace but that theory post made me have an epiphany, thanks fam.
PSA to all the partner/buddy chatter:There's a parable about the guy who built his house on sand vs the guy who built his house on rock ya'll may want to peruse.
Algebra I miss you. I never thought I'd say that about math but here we are.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Well my vote's not there, that's one indicator.In post 277, aronagrundy wrote:Zito what are your thoughts on lynching algebra?
I mostly want him to come make with the words. There's a lot of questions out there for him that demand the words.
If you're talking compromise votes I don't think we're that desperate for time yet.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I don't really agree with you here but I don't think arguing about this will help anyone determine alignments since it's (again) all playstyle nonsense.In post 280, Dunhallym wrote:@Zito
I see your POV, and I admit that I sometimes lie or hide things I think as town. there is just one issue IMO: as town your job is not only to find scum but also to do your best to show you're town.
If you're a surface player it probably would sure. If you're looking at motivations and really ferretting out what I'm doing then it shouldn't.But the attitude you describe is also easier to play as scum, which is why I said it would start to bother me on the long run.
I think they're town.I forgot to ask but what do you mean by arona and Empoof as "bros"?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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She articulated something I was already thinking. Time is also a factor.In post 284, shaddowez wrote:So Titus said she'd have to consider me, but hasn't actually voted me yet. To me, that means she's still trying to decide if I'm scum or not, not that she definitely thinks I'm scum. How does agreeing with her 251 necessarily equate to a vote?
I don't understand the point behind this though. Are you saying I have to wait for Titus to vote you before I can agree with something she says and vote you myself?
What's the purpose behind this question?In post 284, shaddowez wrote:What currently makes you think empoof is town?
I've already answered this.In post 284, shaddowez wrote:Other than me, who do you think is scum?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Lurking can unfortunately be an effective strategy to relieve pressure. Plz do not employ said strategy cuz it kills games and we're all here to have fun yeah?In post 289, Morning Tweet wrote:algebra got off the hook rather easily.
Regardless, the amount of Algebra chatter hasn't really died down so at best this is a commuted sentence.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Common wisdom around here is to always lynch Day 1 regardless of even/odd number of players. Reason being is Day 1 generates a ton of info with wagons and conversation which you'll lose if you decide to no lynch that day. The situation changes if the game reaches a "MyLo" state - MyLo standing for "mislynch and lose" - where the if the town mislynches they outright lose the game but if they nolynch then they narrow the list of possible scum due to the nightkill. Bear in mind there are some scenarios in which no-lynching during Mylo isn't recommended; for example, if one player is guaranteed 100% cleared town then all a nolynch would accomplish is that player getting killed and you having one less player you can work with, or if the town has a vigilante available, etc.In post 307, nn30 wrote:I know we're not a 10 person game. I was presenting a scenario in which a day one no lynch holds some merit. Hence - irrelevant aside.
If we were to play a 10 person game, I wouldn't even bring up a no lynch until maybe the last 2 days. That way we played as if we were going to lynch and gained information already. In a 10 person game - assuming lynches never land on scum - a no lynch day one scenario comes with the same number of town lynches as a day one lynch scenario.
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I can't speak for everybody but when I do wagon analysis I tend to only look at wagons that hit L-1, wagons that had major competition (say two wagons at L-2), and the lynch wagon. The lynch wagon is where I tend to start. Without a Day 1 lynch wagon you lose quite a bit of info. Corollary: If the town is willing to drive someone to L-1 then clearly they're seen as a scummy player, why wouldn't you just lynch them then and there?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I don't attempt to find partners until I have a flip. My vote is purely on Shadow's actions in the game.In post 316, Dunhallym wrote:I have a question for Shaddow voters: does your suspicion of Shaddow come mostly from Shaddow’s posts or to a potential connection with algebra? I think I already know Zito and Titus’s answer but please also answer.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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That's a bold thing to say before you've caught up.In post 318, algebra wrote:Catching up, but tbh I'm not a fan of the shadow wagon
Even more bold when you're the alternative.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'd take this more seriously if you were around more.In post 346, shaddowez wrote:
Titus, you know you're not IC and this isn't the first time you're doing IC-like things. Considering your statement in 287, it feels like you're doing it for town cred.In post 288, Titus wrote:That is L minus 1. The next voter should claim intent to hammer, rather than voting. This tells Shaddowez to claim. It's standard across the site.
With a VT claim I'm perfectly happy sitting where I am. ALSO I'm loving the competing wagons you guys have no idea.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Ok here's her recap with numbers added for extreme convenienceIn post 352, shaddowez wrote:Let's start with this - What do you think of Titus' 345 as her recap of my post?
1. I'm assuming this references your last paragraph where you say she's trying to mislynch you but you don't really back this statement up.I'm going to summarize his post.
1. Titus is wierd but I have no evidence.
2. I'm the easy target as the IC.
3. I'm not going to vote the counterwagon.
4. I am a VT.
2. Yeah I dunno where this came from
3. This is perfectly fair. At the time you were STILL NOT VOTING.
4. Yeah?
So uh, please tell me what you've gained by this incredible analysis I just did.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'm confused. The last thing you said before your current batch of posts was:
Why did this change? And if it changed due to her push (I'm anticipating here) then why oh why didn't you revote her? Even better - why did you take the vote off if you weren't going to vote someone else? I had no idea Titus was your #1 you've thrown me for a loop here congrats.In post 284, shaddowez wrote:I'm still hesitant based on this not being the town!Titus I'm used to, but not enough to have a vote there.
UNVOTE:
1. Titus driving your wagon or any wagon is not a scumtell good god. And I can't see your PM so to re-ask your question, what purpose does bringing that up serve? Also saying "I think Titus is scum" and not voting her kinda isn't backing up anything. Like I just said I had no idea you were scumreading her and you sure aren't making a consolidated case full of alignment tells and motivational analysis so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
2. Iguessyou could call it a misrep? Titus could probably answer you better on this point (or all of them really since yaknow she made the post) but "the IC is an easy target" doesn't really mean anything anyway so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3. I'll reiterate that I found it scummy that you weren't voting, especially given where we are in the day.
Man this last sentence bothers me because it hints you know I'm town. To answer it tho, I'm looking at everyone.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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Well that's fair I suppose.
Can you put together a cohesive post that shows why Titus is scum. Not nitpicky anything but real "she said this here, this is more likely to be scum motivated than town motivated cuzX." 2 days is plenty of time to swing a wagon, if you're really passionate about this you can make it happen.
The newbies are quiet and it bugs the crap out of me.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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In post 360, nn30 wrote:@Zito - On mobile. Just lost 30 minutes worth of reply to mafia scum telling me to login again. RIP. In the car - will chime in soon.
kids these days and their damn phones I stgIn post 361, Empoof wrote:FWIW I was gonna bring up the unvote on Titus but didn't finish my post before class since phone formatting blowsKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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oooooooooooooooooooooooooook that was a hammer
We're now in Twilight, which is the period of time between when someone gets lynched and the mod comes in and shuts the thread down. The length of this period depends entirely on how lazy the mod is. Fortunately rules explicitly say we can keep talking in twilight so we uh should.
that hammer sucked
I'm gonna be investigating things tonight with whatever shadow flips in mind.
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yeahKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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