Newbie 1768: Party Mafia - Game over!
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Hi guys! I'll start reading these 6 pages now, so hopefully I'll be ready to go in a little while!"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I just finished page 2, and I have a few things I would like to mention.
Agent Sparkles seems very eager, and his posts contain content that furthers discussion. Town.
E Lemon reads as a nervous town to me. Her sheeping Jae's RVS vote reads to me as her just shadowing the IC, because she wasn't sure what to do yet. Her 36 also reads town to me. I don't think scum would admit that they have no reads.
Nancy reads town to me as well, because her thought processes are very similar to mine. Especially when she was talking about picking at town & scum reads.
JaeReed said something that pinged me. When she mentions her scum game, she says something like "I've only been scum twice as far as completed games". I feel like this is hinting that she is scum now."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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Done with page 3.
@bowdownyou read TriangleShark's vote reason as forced, it must be fake also. Aren't all RVS votes backed with silly, fake reasons? How is TriangleShark's entrance different then the others?"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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Page 4 is read!
A lot of what JaeReed is posting seems very simple and easily producible, sub-par with what I would expect out of an IC.
Titus is obviously scum. Insincere questioning, and posts seem to be coming from someone that has the motivation to distract town.
VOTE: Titus"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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You think that is alignment indicative? From my point of view, both town and scum want to be liked, and can use emoticons to achieve this."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I say we lynch Titus.
Jae why are you scumreading tojam? Putting him at the bottom of your list doesn't mean that it's justified at all."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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Bow down why are are you so inclined to vote Lemon, if Titus didn't even present a case that could?"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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That doesn't make any sense. If you wanted to see what would happen, you would've voted Lemon before Titus asked you to."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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VOTE: JaeReed
Let me explain.
In their 143, they claim that they asked their questions in 87 and 88 to scumhunt. However, they don't follow up. I feel as though if they were trying to scumhunt, they would share with the town what they garnered from those responses. This leads me to believe that they're scum just going through the motions, and not genuinely trying to solve the game.
I'm also convinced that their 24 is a slip."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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Then why didn't they press them for answer so if they were trying to solve the game? Either way, it's indicative of scum."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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It does actually, well, most if it. You never scumread tojam before, then you opportunistically jump on the wagon."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I thought they did, but that must've been a gap in my thinking.In post 223, bowdown wrote:Revan, I am not seeing what you outlined in 210 as a scumtell for Jae. I really don't like that you didn't even notice that neither GL or EL responded to Jae's questions."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I jumped from asked question -> didn't follow up. My brain assumed that they answered the questions."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I would say that they are short, but sweet and concise. They arephysicallyeasily producible, but Jae's are different.
A lot of their thinking is pretty simple, a lot of "Why do you scumread/townread x?" If you're scum, you can say this and get town points just for someone else's laziness."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I wasn't talking about Jae's analysis, I was talking about their questions.
My analysis can be simple because a lot of the people in this game are easy to read, except Titus and GuiltyLion."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I never scumread Titus, I voted her to get a reaction because I was having a tough time discerning her alignment. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for two reasons.
a) Jae defended her before she defended herself, which is odd. This is where I am getting the vibe that Jae is protecting Titus.
b) Titus never defended herself."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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@GL how would my Titus scumread still be genuine? That makes no sense. I figured the best way to get a reaction is to call them out as "obviously scum" to get them panicked that they got caught so easily."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I guess Titus's no response is a bit of a towntell, then? I would think scum are more focused on self-preservation and would defend themselves."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I feel as though their 143 is a contradicting statement. They say that their questions make people question the game state, and their purpose is for scumhunting. How does this translate? How does someone thinking about the gamestate give Jae knowledge of who's scum and who's town?"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I can't assess a reaction that isn't there. There literally was no reaction. I was planning to assess Titus's reaction; if it was overdefensive, showed signs of distress, or if Titus remained calm and collected.In post 294, bowdown wrote:
Exhibit B of you just going through the motions of scumhunting. Titus has been completely ignoring your pressure for pages and just now you decide that might be a towntell? You called him out as obvscum like 5 pages ago - I feel like if you were actually hunting you'd try to assess the reaction before GL called you out on it.In post 292, Revan wrote:I guess Titus's no response is a bit of a towntell, then? I would think scum are more focused on self-preservation and would defend themselves.
Exhibit A is you totally missing that Jae didn't even have responses to respond to earlier."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I also scumread this. I scumread anyone for meta-reading. Meta reads are just an easy way out for scum. "x is y because this isn't their z game"In post 285, JaeReed wrote:^ Nevermind I just remembered the EccentricLion slip.
I think Lion is town here. This is more in-depth and subtle analysis than I saw from him in his scumgame."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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Bowdown let's lynch Jae so then you know I'm town when they flip red. It will make the rest of the game a lot easier for you."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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Honestly lying to get an idea of alignments is fine, as long as you share what you gained from the test. You should never lie about your role, though."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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If I was town/scum reading Titus I would have no reason to do a reaction test.
I'll lynch GL if none of you will lynch Jae."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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@bowdown I was townreading EL on page 2. Why do you believe that that read is still current? It looks like you're stretching now."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I'm voting EL for 3 reasons
1. Don't want her in LYLO because she is easily manipulated
2. My townread on her is minimal
3. I don't want to be lynched today"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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My problem with GL is that he voted me for bad reasons, and now its parked. He's content with what he's done, and not motivated to continue scumhunting."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I don't like how nancy is voting for lack of content, rather than analyzing someone's content then trying to discern their alignment. It looks like scum looking for an easy way out. At first, I just thought this was newbtown, but nancy looks like she gets the game pretty well."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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If there isn't enough support for this in 2 1/4 hours I'll switch back to EL.
Nancy all your "scumhunting" is just lazy or bullshit."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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I'm not selectively reading your posts. Show me one place where you analyze someone's content and say they're scum. Go on, do it."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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everyone else still pretty null. I like to let some conversations between other players breathe a bit because I find I generally make better reads from observing interactions rather than driving them. Whenever I replace into games, my reads are usually better than games where I'm posting from the getgo, and outside of RtR I have a bad habit of tunneling on town in D1. Newbie games I like to slow down and pace myself a bit more, partially because the games tend to get more involved in the "theory of mafia" anyway."Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
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