[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

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[nancy]

It doesn't necessarily matter if people have already said it WM, it's moreso important hearing it from you and knowing what your stances are, and opening the possiblity for discussion with you if desired.

[nancy]

Thanks WM that content is super.

Do you have any opinions on other slots as well?

And yes, that's what softing is. Do you believe Noodle when he says that he doesn't know what a softclaim is, given the experience he's shown throughout the game so far?


Drixx I absolutely need more from you than what you've given me here. I'm happy for you to take whatever approach you want to mafia but I don't believe that you are incapable of having naunced reads on Day 1. I want to see you sort the other slots on the table and I want to see you show some motivation here to gamesolve because remaining quiet the way you are doesn't seem like something that town!you would feel comfortable doing as the most likely lynch at this point.

[nancy]

Yep, I understood what you meant, thanks for clarifying anyway!

[nancy]

There's also the chance that a doc claim comes around tomorrow

No chance. Counterclaim now or never.

[nancy]

^ Precisely.

Tes: reads and thoughts in detail please.

[nancy]

/me hugs Noodle.

Try not to stress.

[nancy]

How does it feel like a defeat, Noodle? What does defeat look like to you?

This is why I'm trying to get more from everyone, Void. (I need you to check your Noodle read, btw, please.) I literally have no Townreads in this game and FIVE below null. There are weird interactions all over the place and the only non-townfirm slots that have really attempted to get recognized as Town all game are Chronicle, Pine, and WM.. and Chronicle and Pineslot are probably scum. It's ridiculous. I don't get the apathy.

This readslist pretty much sums up my feelings about today:

Spoiler:

{}
{Tes, WM}
{}
{Loopdan, Src}
{Chronicle, Drixx, Noodle}

=

Tes
WM


Src
Loopdan

Noodle

Drixx
Chronicle <-- preferred lynch

[nancy]

Okay, there's a lot to read, and I'm gonna keep reading until I feel up to date.
Just want to make this post first (just to make everyone more paranoid):

just to make everyone even more paranoid:
*someone can obviously claim doc, even though they're scum. just to get town!nancy lynched. (two power-roles and one vt dead for one scum)
*if the REAL doc claims though, scum!nancy would obviously accuse doc for fakeclaiming. (also two power-roles and one vt dead for one scum)

I might be wrong about this theory, so for now I'm not gonna chase this hypothesis. Please prove it wrong if it is (I've been saying a lot of faulty stuff today, so).

If I'm

not

wrong about the theory, I don't see how her recent claim make her any less suspicious.

It's already been answered, go ahead and read up.

[nancy]

Why are you townreading WhyMafia?

Townlean, to be specific. Essentially I just like their tone. I like them in RVS. They've seemed pretty natural all game and I haven't felt any real fakery from the slot except like 712 and if 712 is fake that just secures my read tbh because the only way I can see this slot being likely scum is if it's an experienced player faking being a newb. Also I just kind of giggle a lot when I read their ISO which is well, obviously nothing but kinda summarizes my feelings about the slot. I could see him as partners with Drixx but that's about it, the interactions with Noodle seem way too direct and obvious to be scumpartner interactions.

[nancy]

No one has counterclaimed, so nancy is confirmed town. What is left to discuss?

Fine, one final scenario then:
Doc doesn't want to counterclaim, because it's gonna guarantee his death during night(or day if we end up lynching him instead of nancy). Either way he's screwed.

Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead. I guess doc counterclaiming is optimal play.

1:1 is always good for Town. There's a reason cops out guilty reports 9/10 times even in the absence of protection.

[nancy]

Readlist - StealthyNoodle

Likely Town	Blackvoid
	WhyMafia
	Loopdan
Not sure	Chronicle
	-
	TesXX
	-
Likely Scum	Drixx, nancy(either or)

@nancy
Refresh my mind(or refer me to post) on why you see Drixx as scum.

Would be great if you could explain all these reads.

Drixx is scum largely due to Pine: 695, 858.

[nancy]

Deadline was extended due to replacements. Dayphases are typically 14 days long.

[nancy]

zzzzzz

UNVOTE:

[nancy]

This Town deserves to lose tbh.

[nancy]

Not sure how those two quotes are related

[nancy]

[nancy]

This Town deserves to lose tbh.

Meesa sad now :/
Meesa tried

No way, you're great. You're like my light in the darkness, along with BlackVoid (lol irony).

[nancy]

Noodle has also begun explaining things which is yay.

[nancy]

Still though, a complete readslist from you would be most wonderful WM.

[nancy]

But like, the fact that I've done 95% of the legwork this game to get where we are and yet it took me ditching my gambit and claiming to do it while slots who have done next to nothing pro-town all game are calling me scummy in spite of everything just smh.

[nancy]

Ftr I maintain that it's like 9/10 times just Drixx/Chronicle here but this Drixx wagon is disgusting and it makes me want to lynch anybody else.

[nancy]

I would love to lynch Loopdan, for instance.

[nancy]

Or Src.

[nancy]

Like Src has consistently shown that he gives zero shits about Town or basically anything this game.

[nancy]

In fact I basically oppose Drixx being lynched here. If we're going to lynch for a Chronicle/Drixx team we should lynch Chronicle.

If we're going to lynch outside of that we should lynch in {Loopdan, Srceenplay} unless either of decides to actually do anything marginally pro-town at all before deadline.

[nancy]

Like Void this Drixx lynch just feels full of conf!bias, we've established that Chronicle looks ugly tonally and Loopdan has been a scummy lurksack all game without attracting any real pressure. I want to lynch either Chronicle or Loopdan here. Src as a compromise.

Pedit three? And don't be simplistic.

[nancy]

You are by no means conf!town and voting somewhere simply because the Tracker told you to is fucking scummy. You and Loopdan have done nothing but shed any responsibility for your actions all game.

[nancy]

Sheeping isn't scummy per se. Depends on context. Sheeping as an excuse to coast and not be held accountable is scummy.

[nancy]

Also I couldn't care less if you say you're conf!town to you because no one else can see your role PM and you're just being disingenuous by saying you are.

[nancy]

Yeah fuck this you're just a scumslot.

VOTE: Srceenplay

[nancy]

Btw Void what do you think about Noodle's tonal shift over the past several pages or so?

[nancy]

Tonal shift from bravado / braggart to confused newbie.

[nancy]

I'm out atm but I'll go through ISOs and point out everything I've been looking at for each and we can go over stuff tomorrow. Essentially atm though I want most to lynch in {Chronicle, Loopdan, Src} today. I think if Noodle is scum it will probably become pretty apparent and likewise with Tes when he either eventually produces content or continues to refuse to do so.

[nancy]

Fyi Drixx if you are Town I am not too impressed by this EoD from you.

[nancy]

977

<3

Aww ♥

[nancy]

The AtE isn't even good because you're completely missing the point of why I even said that.

[nancy]

She is trying to play pro town now.
Let's just watch and see what happens.

Who? Do you seriously not care even the slightest bit about helping Town win this game?

[nancy]

Thanks Chronicle.

pedit posts

[nancy]

Still waiting to talk to Void before we decide on a lynch so voting anywhere is a no go atm.

How do you feel about the meta argument against you? I notice you've started naming gut reads since Void pointed it out, and your reads seem to be following mine a little wrt WM and Src. Thoughts?

Also, talk to me about your thought processes in this post? Why were you so ready to believe in scum!Noodle after spending most of the Day defending him? I realize that you've once again affirmed your TR there.

Alright. And would you care to correct him as IC that I am conf!town by virtue of not having been CC'd?

i don't understand why you need to do this, or why anyone is still pushing your lynch

which strongly susggests loopscum and noodlescum

[nancy]

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Elaboration on this could be helpful.

[nancy]

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

What changed your mind about this?

[nancy]

Talk to me about this sequence in retrospect? Didn't get much explanation from you at the time about your thought process there, and I never got much from wrt your scumread on my slot in the first place. Why were you scumreading me? Where do you think you went wrong in reading me?

I am lazy to read.

Please summarise the last 3 pages for me so that I don't have to sit down and read all of them.

^@nancy and noodle

Thanks

VOTE: nancy

come on board loop

your noodle push sucks

because you are scum and you can't do a good push on town

because I did read it, but i am too lazy to entertain you right now given how the last 3 pages have gone nowhere.

but if you would to try, tell me why noodle is scum

pedit lol

[nancy]

Hmm, possible that I may unknowingly have sheeped you on those because I read it and agreed with them. Are you concerned I'm buddying?

I'm more concerned that the reads don't feel entirely genuine. Especially your read on WM. You've not addressed why any of your previous points against him were wrong, you've simply said that you like him tonally recently and that you don't think newb!scum would play the way he has been playing. (< Elaborate on this please.) With as sure as you've seemed all game, that's quite a shift.

His posting since he unvoted ring as genuine reevaluation, and I like it.

Which posts specifically? What about them seem genuine to you?

[nancy]

I just skimmed his recent posts, that are pretty empty, promise on delivering but not really delivering. I would wait on that readlist, but with less than a day to deadline I don't think it will come. My failure to recall anything outstanding about the slot kinda makes me think he's been fluffing most the game and coasting.

What about this do you think warrants a nullscum read? Do you think the way he has been coasting comes from scum?

[nancy]

Not sure what you're referring to here

Am referring to your stance on WM, saying that he's a liar, etc.

[nancy]

Don't envy your foneposting btw. Not sure how you manage to cope with that.

[nancy]

but against Noodle whom I townread harder, and the whole noise that came with BP claims early game, it just ended with me thinking you were probably scum, and I ended up tunnelling from there.

You were pushing me only before the claim.

[nancy]

Nvm I misread your post.

[nancy]

If you were tunneled on me why were you instead pushing WM all day, until I started pushing Noodle?

[nancy]

Sorry :/

[nancy]

Okay, so scum can nokill (but that'd be risky for them, yes? Because we might not DK nancy next day either. There's also the chance that a doc claim comes around tomorrow). Sorry, I forgot about the BP.

Please, thoughts on this.

The only thing I'm thinking of is why haven't you unvoted?

For some reason it really feels like a defeat, ughh.
UNVOTE: nancy

That's seven alive, two conf-town, one scum. That's a very advantageous situation for town.

Allright, thanks for explaining. I'm on board.
VOTE: Drixx

Well, after settling with nancy being conf!town I suppose she's up there with WhyMafia.

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

Does that strike you as genuine re-eval?

[nancy]

His reevaluation would only really have to happen in a significant sense wrt my slot because me being scum shouldn't affect other slots unless he was basing his reads heavily off associatives.

And alright, thanks very much for standing up to the inquisition. You're a hero regardless of alignment.

[nancy]

His reevaluation would only really have to happen in a significant sense wrt my slot because me being scum shouldn't affect other slots unless he was basing his reads heavily off associatives.

Ftr this is only partially true and, as with everything, depends on context. As I've said before, a scumread flipping Town (or in this case, becoming conf!town) is generally always a great reason to check yourself and go over your reasoning again. It doesn't mean you should believe you must be wrong on other reads as well, but it does mean that you should reassess.

[nancy]

@Srceenplay talk to me about this sequence?

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

VOTE: Chronicle

Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm


Third ever mad game, first on this site

You vote chronicle for bandwagoning.
Loopdan switches to the same vote and he doesn't get a mention.

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

So you overlooked him by mistake.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.

Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.

VOTE: Loopdan

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

[nancy]

@Src talk to me about how your Tes read has progressed throughout the Day?

[nancy]

I personally think scum team includes Noodle. Not only for all the reasons you guys listed, but also for his interactions with me. He repeatedly hard defends me from every push against me. Not saying I don't appreciate it, but it's fishy. If he's scum, he would know I am town. However, the way things were going sometimes, I could be perceived as someone who might get lynched. That way, once I'm lynched, it seems like he's town because he repeatedly attempted to defend me. Adding on to that, if he gets lynched as scum, it'll create associations that Noodle seemed to defend me from a lynch. Therefore, I have a higher possibility of being his scum buddy. Hope his makes sense
Sorry if you're town Noodle :/
VOTE: StealthyNoodle

I think noodle is smarter than he is trying to show. By appearing as new, he could garner sympathy and use his new player status as excuse for poor plays (then again, inshouldnt be talking as I use the same excuse)

Unsure = Stealthy

Talk to me about why this read changed, WM?

[nancy]

Agreed. I still don't get what I did wrong there

What are you agreeing with sorry? What makes you think that sequence from Src implies that you did anthing wrong?

[nancy]

Agreed. I still don't get what I did wrong there

What are you agreeing with sorry? What makes you think that sequence from Src implies that you did anything wrong?

Edit.

[nancy]

Spoiler: @Void re: Loopdan

I have already stated that I believe teaching takes precedence over win-con.

Then you should be force-replaced.

But I'd rather your slot not be derphammered.

VOTE: Srceen

Thoughts on this interaction?

@Pine-- Talk to me about nancy's play here.

Pine's activity level here is not great for an IC. I'm waiting for Pine to talk to me about nancy. Until then I don't really want discuss too much.

VOTE: Pine

I'd also be ok with a Nancy lynch.

And I'm not tracker.

The posture here is gross.

Tes and noodle are screaming town to me.

This is immediately following Noodle's doozy of a scumcase on me, ftr, and Tes continuing to fluffpost.

Also, you are mistaken about the role of SE players in the Newbie Queue. SE's have no obligation to teach. If anything, SE's not playing hard for wincon hurts Newbie games.

Btw I love this post by GOAT mhsmith.

viewtopic.php?p=9015043#p9015043

Post 487: see my 807

VOTE: WhyMafia

I don't like his last five posts at all. Trying to look like casual town, but obviously cares how other's view his slot.

Lazy as fuck vote and doesn't even call WM scum.

My TR on Noodle is fading.

Why

I didn't like "welcome to the top of my readslist." I mean it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great. Walking back from it in 500, after questioned by Tes, wasn't great either.

547 looks like acting.
548 is cheerleading.

Like I said, not terrible, but the TR has lost some of it's shine.

These are utter nonsense reasons.

I'll vote Why, Pine, or Nancy.

Don't get the feeling that he gives half a fuck.

Nancy, how is Noodle scum if you have secretly been scumreading pine and pine was voting noodle and pine never buses?

Completely pointless question that looks more like an attempt to twist my stances into contradictory technicalities than an attempt to sort.

It's horrible play by Town.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Or that it is scum motivated.

Still hasn't provided any support for his statement that newbies frequently soft PR in this way.

Also I think the bolded part in 706 reveals a scum POV.

VOTE: nancy

Trying to push a "scumslip".

Between this and "I was secretly scumreading Pine" it's pretty obvious nancy is caught scum.

This doesn't even make sense and shows not the slightest attempt to envisage an actual scum!nancy world. Blatant surface level bullshit pushing for the lynch of a claimed PR.

I think we should leave it to the doc to decide if they want to counterclaim. If I was doc I wouldn't CC. I'd just try to get nancy lynched.

More of the same.

I don't see a counterclaim.

UNVOTE:

And now backing off from an unfavorable position. Following his flurry of activity around pushing for me, he's been nowhere to be seen.

[nancy]

He has laid low and not said much. He gets Town points only for that.

That's worth Town points? So you were never townreading Tes?

[nancy]

Edit
Looking back at the matrix 6 they wouldn't know for sure if there is bp or not but finding bp or not tells them the setup.

They'd have assumed Column C with the absence of a BP claim early. Only Column C and Row 3 were possible after the Tracker claim.

[nancy]

Edit to 1070 @Void:

Getting a vibe that at least one scum is on nancy right now, maybe both.

Can you explain this vibe?

I have already stated that I believe teaching takes precedence over win-con.

Then you should be force-replaced.

But I'd rather your slot not be derphammered.

VOTE: Srceen

Thoughts on this interaction?

[nancy]

Loopdan edited 81, btw.

[nancy]

I'm heading off to bed, so no time to ISO Noodle just yet. Essentially the only decent reason I can find to sort the slot as Town though is the way that he seemed to be salty at Pine for not finding anything townie in his content.

pedit were you ever townreading Tes though or was it just nulltown or?

[nancy]

Src/Loop
Drixx/WM/Tess

Lynch preference from top to bottom, left to right are in no particular order.

You want to lynch half the table =o

[nancy]

Hypothetically speaking Chronicle, if you were scum and you found yourself at the top of people's lynch lists, would you bus your partner in an attempt to salvage some Town cred?

[nancy]

Am I already postured to bus?

Hm?

@Noodle editing quotes when posting isn't rulebreaking. I'm queuing Void to follow the link to 81 and read the full post to understand the interaction fully.

[nancy]

Goodnight Mini ♥

[nancy]

VOTE: Drixx

L-1

@nancy-- Your unvote on Drixx makes no sense. You've been scum-reading Pine all game right? And Drixx has done nothing. Then you unvote because you don't like the wagon that has conftown on it?

It makes complete sense, actually, given that I've said I oppose his lynch. Know who else has done nothing? You. Your analysis of wagonomics is bad to the point of scummy. You trying to rush to Night, Loop?

[nancy]

See, Loop knows I'm confirmed.

Could you please just answer me about whether or not you've been townreading Tes? You literally have zero reason to avoid this question.

[nancy]

Erm... sorry. I actually expected that I was roped already. It's passover and I told you my town reads and my scum reads, which is pretty solid as far as day one goes for me. If not for the claims (which is neither here nor there but something worth talking about after), I would have far less to leave as my legacy.

I'm actually kind of surprised. I checked in after I got done with my work for today because I didn't recall a PM about being dead and there was like 9 more pages, and somehow I went from L-1 to not going to be lynched back to I think about to be lynched again.

See my earlier post for my thoughts and reads when you see me bleed green. I'm sorry that I'm not better at day one than I am.

At this point I'm not interested so much in hard reads from you as gamestate and ISO analysis.

[nancy]

I unvoted Drixx to give him a chance to defend himself before lynch. I suppose nancy did the same.

I unvoted because the only resistance to his wagon has come very mildly from Chronicle and WM, because Town was refusing to engage with the gamestate, and because I have other reads I wanted, and still want, to pursue.

[nancy]

K we're going to have to talk about this because at the moment I'm itching to lynch the slot

I honestly have no idea how you've managed to get a townread on that slot so I'd love to hear more there.

I don't think his comments about getting me and Pine to read eachother is anything scum!Loopdan couldn't fake. Especially not so if Loop is scum with Drixx. I think pushing the BP claim strat is completely null because it's just a good cover for scum to seem active in thread without actually doing fuck all. I couldn't care less about his misguided comments on win-con and ftr I've received a lot of support for my approach outside of this game but I'm not interested in discussing play philosophy here.

pedit I've thought of that yes and it's possible but it's not helpful for looking at the game to just assume he's scum giving up.

[nancy]

Personally, I'm more of a "play-to-win" type as well.

At no point have I not been playing to win.

[nancy]

If you have a townread on Loopdan, Noodle, I'd love to hear all of the stories about it.

Drixx is at L-1 and no one is voting there until Void and I are ready to end the Day.

[nancy]

Deadline for Day 1 actions:

April 11, 2017 - 9:20 AM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2017-04-11 09:20:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Vote Count 1.09

[nancy]

You trying to rush to Night, Loop?

You trying for a no-lynch, nan?

Do you realize how close we are to deadline?

Your continued attempts to shade my slot are infantile and ineffectual, Loopdan. Your scum is showing.

[nancy]

Have we settled upon lynching Drixx?

I'm still talking to Void, so no.

[nancy]

If you have a townread on Loopdan, Noodle, I'd love to hear all of the stories about it.

Loopdan

provides theories of his own. I've rarely seen him take advantage of others' theories and reads. His scumreads and questions have mostly been directed at you, likely because he(as me and others) have seen you as scummy to the bone.

I disagree with this categorization so much it makes me sick, but OK.

[nancy]

Basically proof by induction that I'm town, for those who see it.

I'm inclined to agree.

[nancy]

@nancy-- Obviously I don't think you want a no-lynch. I'm pointing out how stupid your "You trying to rush to night?" comment was, not throwing shade that you are scummy. Take note of the fact that so many think that you are playing scummy. If you weren't conftown as unCC'ed PR, you'd likely have been lynched today, so stop the confbias or you're going to ruin this game.

The scumreads on me are ridiculous and I don't give a shit about them. You have done nothing actually pro-town all game so your shitslinging here is a fucking bad cover here for your continued refusal to any actual gamesolving or anything else that could possibly help Town win. I am the opposite of conf!biased right now and literally the only slot in the game that isn't saying ZOMBIE ZOMBIE EAT DRIXX BRAIN.

[nancy]

VOTE: SrceenPlay
Die scum

[nancy]

the only slot in the game that isn't saying ZOMBIE ZOMBIE EAT DRIXX BRAIN.

Add WM to that list

[nancy]

Most his theories are his own. Prove me wrong by showing me a bunch that aren't instead.

Burden of proof is on you, not me. Show me anything Loopdan has said that displays more than a modicum of original thought. He's basically pushed no reads or theories all game that don't fall neatly within the realm of "coasting scumfucker".

[nancy]

What do you mean you disagree with the categorization?

I mean I think that your interpretation of his ISO is super inaccurate.

[nancy]

Can someone link me to past Pine-IC games? There's something I want to check but I'm skim-reading really fast before deadline so don't want to go looking for them.

viewtopic.php?t=70152&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

There's one at least. I don't think meta is going to that helpful here, though, because he seems to have consciously changed his approach to ICing and moreover has been totally inactive this game.

[nancy]

@Void

TRing TesXX for very incorrect reasons (obsession with setup rather than reads is scummy, not Towny).

Ftr Src's early game feels Town-motivated as fuck but this post makes me really side-eye him. If he doesn't have a TR on Tes here then this comment looks exactly like the kind of comment you make in dead threads where you're spoiled and talking about people's reads.

[nancy]

See your inability to see how I've been attempting to sort players is why I say you are confbiasing. I'll give you that your jump off SRing pine/Drixx doesn't indicate confbias. But I just can't see your thinking here.

My inability to see it has everything to do with you failing to explain anything in the slightest. Blaming other players for not being able to read you when you don't put any effort into helping them is shitty Town play.

[nancy]

Seeing as Drixx hasn't been hammered makes me feel more comfortable being scum.

Pedit
I'm not in a dead thread.

That's not really what it indicates.

You're not in a dead thread, no. Which is why that post makes you look unnaturally informed of alignments.

[nancy]

What world are you living in, nancy? One of the reason players suspect you, is because you're so mad defensive all the time. Attacking every hint of a read on you that isn't town.

Again, you're misreading my content. I've barely attacked anyone all game. Asking questions is not being defensive. When the questions have a clear trajectory it's one of the most pro-town things you can do in a game. You need to forget whatever you think you know about playing Town because if you leave the newbie queue with this mentality you are going to find yourself in a lot of trouble.

[nancy]

Which parts of it is inaccurate? Everything? How are they inaccurate?

Pretty much everything as far as I can tell. He hasn't backed up anything all game that I remember except a read on me and that was basically fake all the way through as I see it. Your assessment is inaccurate because you're literally looking at the epitome of a lurksack and somehow seeing pro-town play.

[nancy]

Ooooh. I get it now.
Lol. It's not true though.

I'm inclined to agree. But I'm making a note of it.

[nancy]

Basically, I wanted to see if he spent a lot of the early-game fluff-posting and offering IC advice because that's the impression I got from his early game here. 67 - Pine is not sure whether the BP claiming is optimal or not but claims anyway. Slight scumpoints for trying to blend in with the town and not checking first to see whether it was optimal. 81 feels a bit premature and fabricated. "Yup, scum are attacking nancy" is a weird thing for town to say this early. Scanning his town-IC-ISO, he has more content but he also does spend a lot of time fluffing so it's inconclusive. I didn't get the same pings from reading his ISO as I got here though regarding buddying.

Pine was one of the first proponents of the strat. He's thought through it quite a bit and his position is firmly established. His buddying with me is weird but it's also potentially explainable as just our friendship and I don't know that I believe that he'd buddy me that blatantly as scum when he knows that I don't respond well to buddying.

[nancy]

I didn't get the same pings from reading his ISO as I got here though regarding buddying.

We weren't friends at that point.

pedit yeah he can be a bit of a character.

[nancy]

Loopdan is a fairly low poster and an unconventional player. Here is his ISO in a recent completed game with me. It might help.

I've read all of his Town games in newbies. His thought processes as Town are coherent and he is actively involved in games. None of that here. I only managed to find one of his scum games, though.

[nancy]

pedit yeah he can be a bit of a character.

Misread in preview, thought you were talking about Pine.

[nancy]

Ftr Loopdan gave me a lot of scummy vibes early and I just assumed he was PR and didn't bother actively trying to sort the slot. When the Tracker claim came up I began to side-eye him a lot.

[nancy]

I said you're

attacking the reads

, not the players. It's like you don't allow anyone to be suspicious of you. Feel free to correct me by pointing to one scumread of you that you didn't try to rip asunder.

Rip asunder.... I like that. Again, I wouldn't call questioning attacking. There's nothing scum motivated about asking for elaboration on people scumreading you. Like I've already said, this is one of the biggest problems of the claim strat. Scumhunting by seeing how people engage with your slot is one of the best ways to go about it imo and one of my personal favorites. I don't question people's reads on other slots nearly as much because I think it's bad form when those slots should be doing it themselves and not having people butt in to do it for them.

[nancy]

Thanks for the reads Tes.

[nancy]

Combined with the way you constantly ridicule scumreads on you, it obviously comes of as being

overly

defensive.

Well you're welcome to interpret it that way I guess.

Town-players are obviously great at making themselves more suspicious, so there's nothing wrong about providing objectivity to the matter. That goes for scum-

and

townreads.
More than often townies tend to be blind to reads that makes themselves town, thus end up getting lynched.

Er what?

[nancy]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

[nancy]

{Tes, Src}
{Drixx, WM}
{}
{Noodle}
{Chronicle, Loopdan}

[nancy]

Lmk when you're done with WM and want to digest, Void.

[nancy]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

Why is Tes suddenly your top town read?
What was so good from his reads list?

Srceenplay is my top TR. His readslist shows a genuine Town thought process that I don't think he'd really think to fake in this particular instance.

[nancy]

What does Lmk mean :/

Let me know.

[nancy]

No rush Void.

[nancy]

I have thoughts on this but I'll hold off until your interaction is done.

[nancy]

I think that survivalism isn't scum-indicative per se regardless of the player's experience and I think that AtE comes from Town just as much as from scum and it's how and why the AtE happens that should be looked at because Town AtE and scum AtE are pretty different. I am admittedly terrible at distinguishing between the two when it's directed at me, though. I also think that WM's stances are bad but they feel pretty natural in a way that I don't think this kind of newbie would have an easy time reproducing and I don't think they necessarily come from scum. My thoughts on WM slot overall are derp-clear.

ISO stands for isolation, a slot's posts in isolation from the rest of the game.

pedit wait you posted a readslist Src?

[nancy]

Preview edit, when you're writing a post and click submit but there have been more recent posts in thread.

His readslist = Tes' readslist.

[nancy]

@WM I could, but I'd rather keep it private. I don't like people knowing how to get a townread from me. I'll talk about it at a later point.

@Void When I re-ISO'd Src last night after voting him I read that sequence as Src side-eyeing WM's interaction with Loopdan and trying to draw him onto Loopdan as a result. Feels like Town behavior. (That sequence is why I'm townreading the slot.) I agree that the Pine vote was really bad but I also wonder whether scum!Src actually plays like this. I feel like there's actually a level of invisible thought going on behind a lot of what he's doing that I don't think comes from scum.

[nancy]

With this in mind, it makes zero sense for him to vote Pine because it's easier to lynch Pine while Pine was lurking.

It doesn't make a good deal of sense, no. Get an explantion from Src if you think you can. I've tried and failed to elicit much from the slot.

[nancy]

Like my reasons for townreading him are weak because they are definitely fakeable, I just don't think they are faked here and I think Src's play is suicide if he is actually scum.

[nancy]

Void I vastly prefer a Chronicle lynch today ftr.

[nancy]

I thought it was all ready clear I wasn't actively trying to lynch Pine.

That's the impression I got but it wasn't completely clear no.

[nancy]

Fair enough. Can you at least point out what's unique about his reads?

Nothing unique about his reads. Mostly between-the-lines stuff that I'm reading into.

[nancy]

Why do you prefer a Chronicle lynch? Isn't it pretty much agreed upon that Drixx/Pine is scummy? Do you believe that Chronicle has been more scummy than them?

I think that Pine was scummy but not exceptionally scummy and I think that his behavior is somewhat explainable from a Town perspective whereas I struggle a good deal to find the same in Chronicle and I think that Chronicle has been consistently faking emotion and faking towntells.

[nancy]

@nancy, I agree with you on him looking like he was trying to draw out WhyMafia into voting Loopdan. I also agree that there seems to be more behind-the-scenes thought process there than he's letting on. I'm trying to weigh that against his opportunistic voting. I guess I'm finding it hard to get reads on everyone before the time we have left and trying to explore all options.

The only scumread I have any amount of confidence in is Pine. I'd appreciate if you could go back over Pine's posts with your knowledge of his previous meta and let me know what you think. Is there a reason you are dissuaded from lynching him other than that the lynch seems too easy?

Completely support the drive to sort Src, just giving you my take. I think WM has been equally as opportunistic tbh. Ditto Chronicle.

I'll do an ISO review, sure.

[nancy]

Ftr it's not like I'm vetoing a Drixx lynch, I just think that Chronicle and Loopdan are both better lynches today.

[nancy]

Read on Pine doesn't really change with review.

A lot of it feels mildly fake but I struggle to parse how inactivity came into play. I was secretly scumreading him for a reason. My townlean on the slot remains due to Drixx and PoE via my scumlean on Noodle. Drixx's posting feels at least somewhat townie, even if he's refused to do a couple clearly pro-town things that he had the opportunity to do. I also agree that it would be 100% pro-scum to self-hammer and force me to lose out on this conversation with you and he didn't. I also don't think scum!Drixx gives up like this. Granted, I don't think town!Drixx gives up like this either, but meh, don't know the player well enough to know whether to believe his AtE about sucking on Day 1. Essentially it's a wishy-washy read but the way that everyone seemed suddenly all in favor of or at least not opposed to a Drixx lynch does for sure ring alarm bells.

[nancy]

I think WM has been equally as opportunistic tbh

Mind explaining?

I think your vote on Noodle was opportunistic and there's potential scum motivation there even if I don't think you're scum. Most of your votes don't seem to have any clear Town motivation at all.

[nancy]

inb4 contradicting myself btw

What's the contradiction?

[nancy]

That's a probabilistic argument and it fails in light of the fact that we have information to work with. In fact ... I would go so far as to say that how Nancy responds to my request will have a HUGE impact on how the rest of this plays out. Try to read between the lines BlackVoid. If scum is who I think it is, I'm quite sure they will see what you didn't.

Like do you think this post comes from scum!Drixx?

Granted he hasn't elaborated on this point so I don't really know what his thought process is here.

[nancy]

The planting of the idea that a kill won't happen and thus we lynch Nancy is why that post is scummy. There's a clear intended end point where a town player would be actually thinking about the different possibilities. It's not like the idea is super complex. It's literally a post with one aim, and that's to ensure nancy gets lynched.

I've seen this kind of slip quite a lot. He's scum. I will put my own skin on the line even. I'm that sure.

And that's without even going into the REST of the problems in the ISO.

The fact that he's refused to go into the rest of the problmes he sees is frustrating.

[nancy]

Fyi Drixx if you are Town I am not too impressed by this EoD from you.

Erm... sorry. I actually expected that I was roped already. It's passover and I told you my town reads and my scum reads, which is pretty solid as far as day one goes for me. If not for the claims (which is neither here nor there but something worth talking about after), I would have far less to leave as my legacy.

I'm actually kind of surprised. I checked in after I got done with my work for today because I didn't recall a PM about being dead and there was like 9 more pages, and somehow I went from L-1 to not going to be lynched back to I think about to be lynched again.

See my earlier post for my thoughts and reads when you see me bleed green. I'm sorry that I'm not better at day one than I am.

Surprise doesn't feel real here. But then, it's Drixx, and a lot of his emotion just comes off as fake to me.

[nancy]

You shouldn't have made this post. It would have been much better for getting a read on me coming in if you had let me read the thread and believe you were town reading me because of how Pine handled the slot, so you could watch and see if I tried to stick to what he was doing, struck off in my own direction, or whatever.

Hi Drixx. You scum this time?

Hi Nancy. I am not. Care to throw some questions at me and help me get into the game quicker?

Ftr this entrance was really weak and just feels like posture. At the time I felt that town!Drixx would've responded differently to that question but I can't say for sure.

[nancy]

I don't have a strong opinion on Chronicle. I'll look into him. Mind linking me to the posts you find scummiest?

Their tone, from the meta you provided. I'll quote our interaction earlier into a wall and you can take from it what you will.

[nancy]

P-Edit: I could just quote YOU making posts pointing out the issues with Noodle if you really want nancy?

I really wouldn't want

I'd really prefer if you took out from his ISO what you personally found scummy.

[nancy]

I scum read nancy.

zzzzzzzz

[nancy]

Spoiler: Chronicle y nancy

In fact I basically oppose Drixx being lynched here. If we're going to lynch for a Chronicle/Drixx team we should lynch Chronicle.

You'd end yourself with a town lynch and more apathy D2.

The AtE isn't even good because you're completely missing the point of why I even said that.

Anyway I'm on mobile so I can't do any ISO runs or expansive research, but based on the last few pages and what I can remember

I still like Noodle for town. Honestly with all the scumreads on him I've tried to reevaluate this read but I can't convince myself he's scum, outside of his reaction to the nancy claim. My first instinct was to unvote and wait for a CC, but the way he continued to push for it(like Loop) just read as scum desperate for a lynch.

Which brings me to Loop. Adding on to his play post nancy claim, I remember him posing questions through the game, so he's kind of had a tonal townread/gut town, but I haven't seen anything insightful from the slot honestly. So could be scum for the usual appearing to be scumhunting but not really doing anything. I really only thought about this post nancy claim.

Pine/Drixx: didn't care for Pine's play. Was never active enough to determine if he was lurking or if his attention was divided, never produced enough content and interactions(with me at least) for me to have a decent read. If nancy knows Pine's meta well enough, I'm all for sheeping. Regarding Drixx, I honestly can't tell y'all anything right now because I have paid very little attention to the slot, but gut town?

WhyMafia, although I pushed him for scum previously, his recent posts I like tonally. Thinking back he has this genuine tone that I've been cautious of, which could explain why I decided to push him for scum, but I don't think newbscum play like this. The perspective that he could be buddies with Pine/Drixx are interesting, but my thoughts on his play alone just make me think it's confbias reads.

Srceenplay is a probscum, going off what I remember from his play. I can't recall him taking strong stances, or forming any of his own significant stances. He's got a lot of sheeping and random jumping of votes, and I'm quite upset I'm only thinking about this now.

Am I forgetting someone

The AtE isn't even good because you're completely missing the point of why I even said that.

Not AtE, just saying

Actually I see what you meant then

But the fact that you've listed me as your preferred lynch a buncha times still makes that post relevant

Oh Tess

I'm not sure about Tess, I'll run his ISO

Oh Tess

I'm not sure about Tess, I'll run his ISO

Thanks Chronicle.

pedit posts

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Hello nancy

I've got some time now, and I got no guarantee I'll be around deadline, so talk to me for a bit then I'll throw my vote before going off to bed

Still waiting to talk to Void before we decide on a lynch so voting anywhere is a no go atm.

How do you feel about the meta argument against you? I notice you've started naming gut reads since Void pointed it out, and your reads seem to be following mine a little wrt WM and Src. Thoughts?

Also, talk to me about your thought processes in this post? Why were you so ready to believe in scum!Noodle after spending most of the Day defending him? I realize that you've once again affirmed your TR there.

Alright. And would you care to correct him as IC that I am conf!town by virtue of not having been CC'd?

i don't understand why you need to do this, or why anyone is still pushing your lynch

which strongly susggests loopscum and noodlescum

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Elaboration on this could be helpful.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

What changed your mind about this?

Talk to me about this sequence in retrospect? Didn't get much explanation from you at the time about your thought process there, and I never got much from wrt your scumread on my slot in the first place. Why were you scumreading me? Where do you think you went wrong in reading me?

I am lazy to read.

Please summarise the last 3 pages for me so that I don't have to sit down and read all of them.

^@nancy and noodle

Thanks

VOTE: nancy

come on board loop

your noodle push sucks

because you are scum and you can't do a good push on town

because I did read it, but i am too lazy to entertain you right now given how the last 3 pages have gone nowhere.

but if you would to try, tell me why noodle is scum

pedit lol

How do you feel about the meta argument against you? I notice you've started naming gut reads since Void pointed it out, and your reads seem to be following mine a little wrt WM and Src. Thoughts?

Also, talk to me about your thought processes in this post? Why were you so ready to believe in scum!Noodle after spending most of the Day defending him? I realize that you've once again affirmed your TR there.

Don't have any particular thoughts. The difference is that I fucked that game with a bad D1 play, so I wasn't eager to throw a vote, and the games content made it hard to get a good read. Just couldn't get into it.

Void pointed out what? Most of them I've listed as gut because I'm going off my gut right now, not reading ISOs and thinking about them.

Hmm, possible that I may unknowingly have sheeped you on those because I read it and agreed with them. Are you concerned I'm buddying?

I just thought that his actions post youclaim didn't reflect town, because it opposed what I would have done. As much as I thought you were scum, it would be the worst idea to continue to push your lynch without a CC, because if scum weren't already on the wagon, the unneeded suspicion I would throw on the claim would only make it easier for scum and demotivating for town.

While I do think that was a scummy move, I still think he's town. His posting since he unvoted ring as genuine reevaluation, and I like it.

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Elaboration on this could be helpful.

I just skimmed his recent posts, that are pretty empty, promise on delivering but not really delivering. I would wait on that readlist, but with less than a day to deadline I don't think it will come. My failure to recall anything outstanding about the slot kinda makes me think he's been fluffing most the game and coasting.

A bit lazy to reaffirm this though, I don't like reading ISOs on mobile

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

What changed your mind about this?

Not sure what you're referring to here

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

Yeah, don't think that's gonna happen

Hmm, possible that I may unknowingly have sheeped you on those because I read it and agreed with them. Are you concerned I'm buddying?

I'm more concerned that the reads don't feel entirely genuine. Especially your read on WM. You've not addressed why any of your previous points against him were wrong, you've simply said that you like him tonally recently and that you don't think newb!scum would play the way he has been playing. (< Elaborate on this please.) With as sure as you've seemed all game, that's quite a shift.

His posting since he unvoted ring as genuine reevaluation, and I like it.

Which posts specifically? What about them seem genuine to you?

I just skimmed his recent posts, that are pretty empty, promise on delivering but not really delivering. I would wait on that readlist, but with less than a day to deadline I don't think it will come. My failure to recall anything outstanding about the slot kinda makes me think he's been fluffing most the game and coasting.

What about this do you think warrants a nullscum read? Do you think the way he has been coasting comes from scum?

Not sure what you're referring to here

Am referring to your stance on WM, saying that he's a liar, etc.

Talk to me about this sequence in retrospect? Didn't get much explanation from you at the time about your thought process there, and I never got much from wrt your scumread on my slot in the first place. Why were you scumreading me? Where do you think you went wrong in reading me?

I'm pretty confident Noodle is town, and the way your interaction with him played out I just couldn't see it as town vs town, and I didn't like how you responded to his posts(previously explained), and similar to how I've been cautious about WM due to his tone, I've been cautious about you because of your town. That, and I sheeped the wincon argument a bit.

I think I probably confbiased/played off of my emotions a bit too much, but granted I don't think your play has been obvtown. Towny, sure, but against Noodle whom I townread harder, and the whole noise that came with BP claims early game, it just ended with me thinking you were probably scum, and I ended up tunnelling from there.

Don't envy your foneposting btw. Not sure how you manage to cope with that.

Don't envy your foneposting btw. Not sure how you manage to cope with that.

I hate playing mobile too but I don't really have time with my computer often

but against Noodle whom I townread harder, and the whole noise that came with BP claims early game, it just ended with me thinking you were probably scum, and I ended up tunnelling from there.

You were pushing me only before the claim.

Nvm I misread your post.

If you were tunneled on me why were you instead pushing WM all day, until I started pushing Noodle?

I'm more concerned that the reads don't feel entirely genuine. Especially your read on WM. You've not addressed why any of your previous points against him were wrong, you've simply said that you like him tonally recently and that you don't think newb!scum would play the way he has been playing. (< Elaborate on this please.) With as sure as you've seemed all game, that's quite a shift.

It was probably a bit of OMGUS, a bit of me thinking he should be playing better because he's played before. My push on him wasn't the first thing on my mind, because I'm more concerned with what's happened postclaim and my read on Noodle. The list likely won't be very consistent, because it's heavily gut and heavily based on recent content.

I'll relook my WM push though since you're interested

Which posts specifically? What about them seem genuine to you?

I hate questions like this that make me jump between pages.

Sorry :/

Page 40 has the stream of consciousness kinda vibe that I like.

Whether or not it's genuine is kind of a gut thing, but imagine being scum and having your strongest "scumread" claim PR, unCC'd. Seems kinda hard to make a good reevaluation post with a nice flow of thoughts, because imo it's hard to fake as scum

Okay, so scum can nokill (but that'd be risky for them, yes? Because we might not DK nancy next day either. There's also the chance that a doc claim comes around tomorrow). Sorry, I forgot about the BP.

Please, thoughts on this.

The only thing I'm thinking of is why haven't you unvoted?

For some reason it really feels like a defeat, ughh.
UNVOTE: nancy

That's seven alive, two conf-town, one scum. That's a very advantageous situation for town.

Allright, thanks for explaining. I'm on board.
VOTE: Drixx

Well, after settling with nancy being conf!town I suppose she's up there with WhyMafia.

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

Does that strike you as genuine re-eval?

If you were tunneled on me why were you instead pushing WM all day, until I started pushing Noodle?

I only tunneled you after my WM push

I dislike his nightkill related posting, because it's just dumping suspicion.

Not sure what you've quoted is really representative of his recent reevaluation

Anyway my battery is running low, I'll come back to this game later

His reevaluation would only really have to happen in a significant sense wrt my slot because me being scum shouldn't affect other slots unless he was basing his reads heavily off associatives.

And alright, thanks very much for standing up to the inquisition. You're a hero regardless of alignment.

His reevaluation would only really have to happen in a significant sense wrt my slot because me being scum shouldn't affect other slots unless he was basing his reads heavily off associatives.

Ftr this is only partially true and, as with everything, depends on context. As I've said before, a scumread flipping Town (or in this case, becoming conf!town) is generally always a great reason to check yourself and go over your reasoning again. It doesn't mean you should believe you must be wrong on other reads as well, but it does mean that you should reassess.

[nancy]

Why would he not tell us who he thinks scum is in this context when it looks like he's about to be lynched?

Not what I'm referring to. He clearly has some hidden theory here and I find that think of thing more likely to come from town!Drixx than scum!Drixx in context.

[nancy]

Why would he not tell us who he thinks scum is in this context when it looks like he's about to be lynched?

Not what I'm referring to. He clearly has some hidden theory here and I find that kind of thing more likely to come from town!Drixx than scum!Drixx in context.

Edit.

[nancy]

Your tone doesn't feel genuine, your push on WM didn't feel genuine, your hard-buddying and defending of Noodle doesn't feel genuine, your stances in general don't seem genuine, the way you began listing gutreads after Void brought up that meta point on you doesn't feel genuine.

[nancy]

He asked, I answered.
If it makes you feel better, I town read you now.

My play hasn't changed one bit. The only difference is that people are talking to me now, where before they just rebutted my attempts at conversation by calling me scum.

[nancy]

Not genuine = scum motivated?

Town has little to no reason to be fake.

[nancy]

Is my push on WM bad because I let it go in my recent readlist?

What about my Noodle read doesn't feel genuine? Because I hold on to that strongly, but not my WM read?

And why does the meta he brought up have anything to do with this game? The way that game played is I pulled a gambit that fucked town over. 4v2 with one page of content is really hard to play.

This game is not that game.

The push on WM is bad because it feels like a fake tunnel.

Your interactions with Noodle have not seemed Town motivated.

The meta he brought up has to do with tone and word choice, not dayplay.

[nancy]

Spoiler: Chronicle / WM

You first start pushing WM, presumably for voting an inactive slot:

Trying to pushing a pressure wagon on a lurker? Sure.

But you have no proof he is lurking, nor any form of indication that he could be lurkscum.

VOTE: Whymafia

No interactions before this.

I personally think pine is worth looking into -
He begins by heavily defending Nancy and proceeds to leave

In addition, I would have to say Nancy has a higher chance of scum than stealthy atm. She repeatedly appeals to my emotions, making me want to trust her. My other reasoning in on my reads list from page 8. I don't feel like repeating all of it. Just go check. That being said, I do appreciate what you said Nancy xd.

What even? Have you even thought to yourself why AtE is scummy before you said this?

This feels like empty aggression and has no trajectory nor intention to sort. No interactions with the slot after this for a long time.

I am honesty confused at this point
Nobody was talking so I made a joke
Hammer me
When my flip is revealed, I think it will be pretty obvious who is scum

If you are town, this seems like an awful play.

If you are scum, I 100% approve.

Still no attempt to sort the slot.

Maybe I'm just trying to win the game, something you really haven't been doing much (unless of course you're scum, which in that case you're doing just a tad better)

It's time to bare down and find scum.

Lol and you've been doing a lot?

VOTE: WhyMafia

Don't know why I got off you in the first place.

I don't know why you were /on/ the slot in the first place.

@556
Naked voting - so?
Hypocrisy - not sure how this bjc thing relates to anything? I wanted nancy to claim because I felt the strat helped town, but I didn't think her refusal meant anything alignment indicative. I explained this many times before, were you reading?

The rest I'm too lazy to reply to because mobile. I'll just pick out the important ones.

What's wrong with asking for a towncase in you?

I believe I have explained why i thought Noodle was town before.

I don't recall ever saying it was a solid, solid scumread. Nice misrep. Anyway, after the interaction with Noodle I began to rethink the whole wincon/claiming BP thing, then decided nancy could be scum for it and decided to move my vote there.

Still no detectable intention to sort here. Misremembering one of your reads isn't really a misrep and again, this feels like empty aggression.

@Chronicle what post number did you give reasoning

what the fuck I just brought it up in 567, but my brief Noodle read came way back in 407

what

the

fuck

Tone reads very fake here. I don't feel any real emotion from this post.

Reaction fishing .. what a common excuse

So .. what made you want to "reaction fish" me. After all, "I never run away from explaining my thoughts"

Lol what makes you think you're special, I naked voted a lot of people.

And if you think I'm not explaining something enough, just tell me.

You're kind of treating him as Town here, while pushing him as obvscum:

I agree that Chronicle has been really sure of me being town. He doesn't seem to be concerned at all, that I might be going behind everyone's back, dodging votes(except for nancy's and Pine's which really lack any explanation for now). Why are you so sure I'm town Chronicle, and who do you find most likely to be scum atm?

Sorry for not posting detailed reads yet. I'll get to it.

WhyMafia, obviously

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

From a Town who believes in their read, this kind of statement suggests a conclusive hard scumread, and yet your treatment of WM is relatively tame, and shortly after this you abandon it altogether for:

VOTE: nancy

come on board loop

your noodle push sucks

[nancy]

Why does it feel fake?

What's scum motivated about my interactions with Noodle? Do you read it as WK? Buddying?

WK and a severe case of buddying, yes. I don't believe anything Noodle has done today warrants the kind of townread you've displayed towards his slot.

[nancy]

The proper town version of this is: "When I flip town, please consider X, Y and Zed." (in other words, give reads and info dump).

I don't think Chronicle would be seriously expecting to be lynched here as Town, with you at L-1 etc., so I don't think they would make that post at this point.

[nancy]

Void, thoughts on the Chronicle / Nancy spoiler wall?

[nancy]

You don't find it strange that as soon as you mentioned that he has gutreads as Town he starts suddenly having gutreads in this game?

I'm also noticing that he hasn't really had any solid scumreads all game. His pushes have been weak and I don't feel like there's been any real scumhunting coming from that slot, which I would expect with as much content that it's produced (compare Noodle, who at least has made a believeable push on Pine).

[nancy]

Drixx.

[nancy]

Interactions with Noodle feel far too blatant to be scumpartner interactions.

[nancy]

Even with things like this:

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

Yeah, don't think that's gonna happen

[nancy]

(Noodle was active lurking during my interaction with Chronicle.)

[nancy]

[nancy]

If that's true he's exactly like me. I've never been mislynched outside of newbies, largely because I devour wagons on me whole.

[nancy]

I'm just /extremely/ wary of conf!bias and ever saying "this is the scumteam" on Day 1 makes me think I'm extremely likely to be deluding myself.

[nancy]

I mean, you could make a similar argument for Loopdan. He could easily at any point have come in thread and started obvtowning, but he hasn't, and it's prevented me from locking in another slot as Town as result. Ditto Noodle.

[nancy]

Like, I feel like anyone who was genuinely interested in solving this game, i.e., Town, would have been interacting with you and bouncing off ideas as much as possible given that this is their only opportunity to do so.

[nancy]

If that's true he's exactly like me. I've never been mislynched outside of newbies, largely because I devour wagons on me whole.

Matter of fact, I've never been lynched, period, outside of newbies.

[nancy]

This is town!Drixx in a recent newbie game where he was IC ftr: viewtopic.php?t=70516&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Scroll to about half way down for where he's being pressured.

[nancy]

-not high-

[nancy]

The fact that Pine was getting voted early is another (weak) indicator for town!Pine ftr. Lurkerscum!Pine rarely if ever gets voted early.

Town!Pine would point towards scum!Src/scum!Loopdan. Scum!Pine would point strongly away from scum!Noodle, scum!Tes, and very slightly away from scum!Src.

I also feel like if Drixx is scum the only clear reason for not self-hammering when he could have is that Loopdan put him to L-1 and that could easily be seen as giving your partner the self-hammer.

On the other hand, scum!Loopdan somewhat indicates scum!WM.

Off the top of my head, likely partners atm fmpov:
{Chronicle, Drixx}
{Chronicle, Src}
{Drixx, WM}
{Drixx, Loopdan}
{Loopdan, WM}
{Loopdan, Src}

See any problems with any of that Void?

[nancy]

Why the fuck did you just hammer.

Mini is asleep right now thank goodness.

Void, can you provide a summary and such of your thoughts on scum!Src?

[nancy]

Last thoughts on scumspects in case of a Town flip here would be good.

[nancy]

Oh was it L-2?

[nancy]

UNVOTE:

[nancy]

Loopdan remains at the top of my list of scumspects.

Literally the only slot on the board who has not shown any desire whatsoever to engage with you before deadline.

[nancy]

Do you mean have a hard time seeing Tes as Town?

[nancy]

I literally have no strong Townreads this game and it's fucking depressing.

[nancy]

VOTE: Drixx

I'm hammering now because Mini is asleep. Drixx, if you're Town, please say so if you see this.

Anything else you want to look into with me before deadline Void?

[nancy]

Ftr I don't think town!Drixx points towards scum!Loopdan. I think scum!Drixx does.

pedit OK. And hm. It hasn't struck me that way but let me take another look.

pedit2 yeah I know them IRL. They should be up like an hour-ish before deadline, so like 6 hours or so.

[nancy]

Have anything to add wrt scum!Src after your quote earlier?

@nancy, it's possible you are right. It's not a read I'm very confident in. I'm currently on page 14 reading through CogMachine's push on srceenplay and it's actually something I agree with. Srceenplay's vote on Pine in 282 was bad. Then the bandwagon hop onto you in 339 when he was pressured was pretty bad too. I initially townread his 77 and 147 because his trying to get whymafia to vote Loopdan as bait seems genuine. But then he votes WhyMafia in 166 seemingly because WhyMafia hopped on the Loopdan bandwagon which doesn't sit right with me because he himself is bandwagoning a lot.

pedit Loopdan giving Drixx the self-hammer with that L-1 vote.

[nancy]

Loopdan also voted Pine at some point in a way that felt off to me on a gut level iirc.

[nancy]

You mean 1119 wrt WM/Src distancing?

[nancy]

Chronicle and WM were the only ones who offered any noticeable resistance to Drixx lynch ftr.

[nancy]

UNVOTE:
I'm following tracker but don't want no "accident", so uv for now. I will need to put it back within a couple hours.

Glad someone liked my read list. I thought it was shit.

This is weird btw. No idea why Src would say this when he hadn't posted a readslist.

[nancy]

1238 is lol.

I don't really see the distancing when I look at them together in ISO.

[nancy]

These two posts are what I was referring to.

VOTE: Pine

I'd also be ok with a Nancy lynch.

And I'm not tracker.

I'm here. Why do you need me to respond to the claim? We have a confirmed doc-tracker setup (unless there's a CC) and now we play follow the tracker.

I'll vote Why, Pine, or Nancy.

[nancy]

Ftr I don't think town!Drixx points towards scum!Loopdan. I think scum!Drixx does.

Scratch that.

[nancy]

Could you possibly run through your ISO and quote which reads are still current for you?

[nancy]

Atm I don't have much respect for my Srceenplay TR and I'm basically giving him the benefit of the doubt on every count in order to see the Town in him. I may be looking too hard for town!Src there, I don't know.
I have a decent amount of respect for my Tes TR.
I feel wishy-washy about my WM townlean and I think I may /want/ him too much to not be scum derp-clearing for my read there to be something to go by.
I feel hesitant about my scumlean on Noodle but he's literally given me nothing to reconsider the read so I don't feel comfortable putting him anywhere else. The active lurking is gross.
I have a good amount of respect for my SR on Chronicle.
I also want to respect your TR on Loopdan so I'm willing to not actively pursue my Loopdan SR in the short term. I'm far from convinced on that count, though.
No clue whether Drixx flips scum here or not. It feels like scum on a gut level but I feel like most of the points against it are circumstantial.

[nancy]

Anyway, really glad you replaced in when you did Void. Gave me some sanity for Day 1. Going to miss you tomorrow.

[nancy]

54 pages is a really good Day 1 fwiw.

[nancy]

Like, I know some people might say that's too long, but considering the circumstances I'm pretty fucking satisfied with what we've gotten out of everyone today.

[nancy]

Well, excepting Loopdan, naturally.

[nancy]

Really? You agreed earlier that there was evidence by induction that I'm not scum and you hammer me? How does that make ANY sense?

No other lynch was happening. Hammering you when I did was pro-town because it gives you the chance to come in and tell us your alignment. Also, there was the possibility that scum!you didn't self-hammer due to Loopdan's L-1 being somewhat sketchy.

[nancy]

Anyway, sorry Drixx.

[nancy]

Fwiw I think this a Town win.

[nancy]

Associatives from Pine were really significant. Hopefully Void gets in here soon to see this.

If you could elaborate on scum!Loopdan that would be really helpful because I'm climbing a mountain getting anyone to see him being scum here.

You don't think Chronicle has any chance of being scum, Drixx?

[nancy]

Meh, I really wanted the perfect win. Oh well. People were so lasered in on you. I tried at least.

[nancy]

I think noodle would have gone. In fact ... the amount of resistance to that and ease of a wagon on me is kind of an indication all by itself.

I know, and I argued that.

[nancy]

Meh Void I wish you were going to be here tomorrow gdit. Hope and pray for the 0.000000001% chance that scum decide to shoot in VTs for some bizarre reason.. or just forget to put in the NK

[nancy]

I could see Noodle/WM. Or Noodle/Chronicle. I don't know how to reconcile the tonal shift from Chronicle and I feel like combined with being vindicated by the tonal shift from Noodle (presuming that's scum) that's not a read I want to give up.

[nancy]

On the other hand I think Loopdan snidely parroting Src's comment wrt conf!towns on the Drixx wagon comes from scum!Loopdan far more than town!Loopdan.

[nancy]

Still disliking Src's insistence on following the Tracker.

[nancy]

Wish people would just play more pro-town.

[nancy]

I personally think scum team includes Noodle. Not only for all the reasons you guys listed, but also for his interactions with me. He repeatedly hard defends me from every push against me. Not saying I don't appreciate it, but it's fishy. If he's scum, he would know I am town. However, the way things were going sometimes, I could be perceived as someone who might get lynched. That way, once I'm lynched, it seems like he's town because he repeatedly attempted to defend me. Adding on to that, if he gets lynched as scum, it'll create associations that Noodle seemed to defend me from a lynch. Therefore, I have a higher possibility of being his scum buddy. Hope his makes sense
Sorry if you're town Noodle :/
VOTE: StealthyNoodle

I think noodle is smarter than he is trying to show. By appearing as new, he could garner sympathy and use his new player status as excuse for poor plays (then again, inshouldnt be talking as I use the same excuse)

Unsure = Stealthy

Talk to me about why this read changed, WM?

This was never answered ftr.

[nancy]

Smh.

[nancy]

Like, why do I always assume that people scumreading me and tunneling on me for garbage reasons are just really bad Towns.

[nancy]

OK so since Noodle is now conf!scum with that flaccid attempt to pretend he doesn't know Drixx is flipping Town, the partner is MOST likely in {Chronicle, Loopdan, WM}. Outside shot of Src.

[nancy]

/Probably/ not Chronicle because I don't see both scum pushing me like, but then again.. I wouldn't put it past a Noodle/Chronicle scumteam given how they've been interacting with each other. Still, more likely that 2nd scum is in {Loopdan, WM}.

[nancy]

Void and Drixx have opposite reads on Loopdan.. I'm scumreading Loopdan..

The interactions between Noodle and WM are far worse. See 1064. So I'd tentatively order it from most likely to least likely as:

{Noodle, WM}
{Noodle, Loopdan}
{Noodle, Chronicle}
{Noodle, Src}

[nancy]

And of course, given that I always seem to put the actual scumteam as the LEAST likely of my scumteams whenever I do this shit.... I'm guessing Noodle and Src are scum

[nancy]

Inb4 Drixx/Noodle scum theater and Pine broke his anti-bus meta for this newbie.

[nancy]

Seriously though, Chronicle, it's not exactly pro-town to start attacking the flipped Town slot in twilight.. Just saying. Kinda scumping it a bit here.

[nancy]

Considered this. Especially as he started off talking about how much he doesn't bus. Definitely should be looked into if Drixx is somehow scum trolling us (although I'm not optimistic given his twilight posting). It would definitely explain why he was reluctant to do much of anything this game because his lynch would "clear" StealthyNoodle.

Well he never actually bussed, that's the thing, so it's functionally just distancing. And with me in the game he'd have to adapt considerably because knows that I know his meta. It does make it pretty unlikely for Noodle to be scum though if Drixx flips scum here.

[nancy]

I didn't even know we're in twilight?

Oh okay.

[nancy]

And who are you to tell me how I want to play as town

Ftr the "as town" here is entirely redundant as Town