Newbie 1820 | Cake Wrecks | Endgame

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Hi

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VOTE: Creature

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Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

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Why are people townreading acidphoenix?

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Hello Spartan

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Hi Chuck

Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

I don't really understand

your issue here

though - what would

the problem

be wih a newer player putting content into a game, unless it was harmful to town?

You see me as being abrasive towards Fenrir by asking him a question to generate discussion. You say that you don't understand it

But in here,

Why are people townreading acidphoenix?

Hi Mace.

Personally, I found some of acid's early play to be abrasive in such a way that I read as trying to generate a response from others in order to generate some content.

I also thought his early 'push' on fenrir could possibly pick up on anyone overly keen to jump on board. So he did a couple of things i thought were potentially aimed at being helpful to town. Just my interpretation so far.

you are townreading acid for being abrasive and generating discussion. That doesn't seem right.

Iif you are town, you shouldn't be reading me and acid differently for doing the same thing.

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I didn't word that the way I'd like to

I'm not saying that throwing darts and poking questions at people means you are generating valuable discussion and necessarily good for town. You could be scum doing that. I meant from Chuck's perspective

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I didn't word that the way I'd like to

I'm not saying that throwing darts and poking questions at people means you are generating valuable discussion and necessarily good for town. You could be scum doing that. I meant from Chuck's perspective

/me throws a dart at mace

mace is cseel scum

What do you have to say about the majority of the players townreading you ?

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I meant as in - aren't you uncomfortable in receiving all of those townreads? Or is this something normal that happens in an average game

Because if I was getting townread so much this early on I would be uncomfortable

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Where have I said that a new player should not be making big posts ._.

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I know

I still dont see where have I said that

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I am asking this because I did not know at the time that Fenrir isn't new, and found it weird that a new player would be capable of making posts like that, because he shouldn't have the knowledge to do them. Now I know he isn't. Still, maybe he will resopnd with something to further progress the game, maybe he won't

Why do you keep insisting that what I'm saying is "Fenrir WTF who the fuck u think u are, fucking scrub, why u even bother making big posts when they'll probably be shit coming from a n00b LOL"
?

I think that you have experienced too many passive-aggresive people Chuck, if you can't take my question at Fenrir at face value

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This is transforming into an argument about sentence construction and semantics. I will respond but I'd rather not dig deeper

Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

I don't really understand

your issue here though - what would the problem be wih a newer player

putting content into a game, unless it was harmful to town?

The reason I wanted clarification originally is simple. I am a new player.

If adding posts of length is frowned upon for newbs

, I wasn't aware and am interested in why.

Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

Please help me understand

how this doesn't imply that a new player either shouldn't or wouldn't make substantial posts.

The underlined bits are what's giving me the impression that you feel the need to defend new players who make big posts. And if you feel the need to defend them, it means you feel as they were attacked

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I think the reason we are going in circles Chuck is because you want me to say what I expect to hear from Fenrir's answer and how would I react. And that's not happening pal

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Too early for me to make reads

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Macemeetface7 - lock town
everyone else - different shades of null

good enough?

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lol

elaborate on shades of null or get someone out of there please

All the people townreading you are painted in slighty reddish null. I have a feeling that if you are town, then at least one of them is scum who knows you are town, and is throwing his townread on you to blend in with the village

Question for you, why do you ask for reads?

To that you would probably answer: "Well duh, to progress the game"

And then my response is: Do you ask for reads from people because you want them to give your stance so you can read them better yourself, or because you want to listen to their advice?

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But then why do you ask me for my reads to figure out my alignment when you already said you are townreading me?

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The reaction was as expected? Can you elaborate

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@Spartan

The reaction was as expected? Can you elaborate

I have no opinion on the bulletproof claiming thing. I didn't even fully read that post

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Let's put Creature at L-2

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Let's put Creature at L-2

For what?

Why not?

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Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

This seems odd to me. It almost seems like he's discouraging content from Fenrir or maybe even trying to discredit something he had said.

Read my posts.

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I don't think I like Mace right now.

Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

This seems odd to me. It almost seems like he's discouraging content from Fenrir or maybe even trying to discredit something he had said.

Too early for me to make reads

Macemeetface7 - lock town
everyone else - different shades of null

good enough?

There has been very little attempt to come up with or share reads. Yes, it's early, but there is still plenty of content to get some reads from.

How good would those reads be though? I am not going to force myself to say some random people are town or scum just because people are telling me to do so. When I see something I will act on my will

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I have no opinion on the bulletproof claiming thing. I didn't even fully read that post

No attempt to help out in this discussion which could potentially be a big decision for town.

Tone here sounds insincere. It's like you want to say that I'm scummy for not giving my opinion on it, but I don't think you believe it yourself that the whole bulletproof claiming strategy thing is a big advantage for town, since you use the word "decision" rather than "advantage"

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Let's put Creature at L-2

Thought it was too early for reads. So why?

VOTE: Mace

To get the game going somewhere, in which I was successful

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Oh what a nice wall Fenrir

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@Fenrir:

3. Even if I wasn't new what would be AI about the length of my posts?

Because I would feel like a player in his first game would be much more careful in the way he posts if he was scum. The first thing I thought to myself when I read your posts was "Wow, this guy talks so much, seems like he really wants to solve this game, he must be town" which made me afraid that you might be tricking me

4. What makes you unconfortable about a player being widely townread?

Because if I was getting townread so much it would increase the chance of scum killing me at night since it would be harder to mislynch me

The rest of your thing is hard to read. I'm not sure what to say

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how did you not comment on me suddenly voting you there

I noticed it but I wasn't done replying to earlier things

What kind of comment are you expecting anyway, when you said it yourself you will give your reasonings later? It kinds sounds to me like you want to make me look scummy

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I'm really curious Acid what kind of comment were you expecting of me. That wasn't a rhetorical question

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something? there was literally zero lead in to me voting you

iirc my last posts had you as a top Villa read so why would you not react to me suddenly voting that?

1. Because I'm not afraid of getting mislynched
2. Because you said you will give reasonings later. I would have waited for those
3. If you were expecting some sort of a "WTF MAN T_T" comment, I'm not the type of person to write that

So is your vote on me legit or not after all?

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I don't believe you. I think it's just a reaction test

Now, Raya's and Fenrir's pushes on me look legit. The way they both did it closely to one another, it makes me doubt that they are both scum, because there would be alot of pressure on them if they succeed the push. So there is at least 1 town in {Raya, Fenrir}.

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I don't understand anything in the second part of your post

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It does make sense from my point of view, since I can see both town!acidphoenix and scum!acidphoenix doing it

So far from what I've concluded, it looks like people here like to spit out half-thought out reads, just for the sake of having put out SOME reads out there, and call it a day. Play the game how you want, but don't pretend like it's the only way of playing, and that

you all suck

for not doing the same. I will give reads when I feel like they make sense

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Like right now - add acidphoenix to the list above. There should be at least 2 town in {Acid, Fenrir, Raya}

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Nice

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I wonder if Chuck will put me at L-1

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Acid you are the complete opposite of Fenrir. So lazy in your posts, but also equally hard to understand

Can you please repeat

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No nvm I think I got it

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If you are saying "Why would town!acid vote for someone, pretend like it's a real vote, but is actually reaction testing"

then the asnwer is simply - that's what a reaction test it. testing. a reaction.

._.

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Because your motive behind voting me was weak (now that I think of it there is no motive STILL no motive at all). You said you need time to reread and rest and give reasonings. But you are still here arguing with me about something I can't really grasp rather than explaining why do you think I'm scum

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So why do you think I'm scum Acid ?

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I asked how you didn't then go on to say something about my alignment

And I already answered this?

I can see both town!acidphoenix and scum!acidphoenix doing it

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Fenrir's and Raya's pushes on me I don't agree with, but I think they are mostly voting me out of playstyle differences

Acid's push on me is really half-assed and I don't think is genuine. He was supposed to reread back and give reasonings from there, but now he just says that he mostly agrees with Raya's case. If so, why did he not say so in the original post in which he votes? He voted me AFTER Raya's case was put in the thread. So why not say immediately "I agree with Raya", like Fenrir did? Why say it now?

As for the other thing, "explanation about something that makes no sense" - I don't understand what we are talking about anymore. I'm not a native English speaker but still. You guys construct your sentences really weirdly

VOTE: acidphoenix

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and then I asked *how*

because I am imagine someone with a town alignment doing that to put pressure on me and see how the game would go from there, and I can also see a scum player doing that to put more weight on my wagon. no offense amigo but this is such a dumb question

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okay maybe it's not the dumbest question in the world, but right now i feel like i'm talking to a kid who keeps asking me "why" after everything i say

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Your mother loves you
WHY
Because you are her son
WHY
Because the stork dropped you off to her
WHY
Because that's how babies are made
WHY

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i said it was impossible for me to say if you are town on scum in that situation. your vote on me was basically naked. so i asked for explanation. and you gave one. and now i say you're scum. if you are still not happy, i don't care. i honestly did my best to please you

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which i shouldn't have tbh. why am i negotiating with terrorists?

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Can I hire someone as a translator because I still don't understand . Sorry

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I'm sure eventually someone will help us understand each other

In the meantime - earlier you asked me why did I not immediately react to you voting me. If you found that weird, why did you not just react to me voting you?

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When you catch up please tell me if you understand what Acid is asking me for 2 pages and explain it like a normal person

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Mace what do you think of Creatures play so far this game?

Since he's busy I'm waiting for his catch-up post before I fire my shots. But so far he has been disappointing. How about you?

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in post 192, AFTER the period where it makes sense to hide that it was a reaction test, you said you thought i was lying

but then didn't note anything else on that, eventhough if you thought i was lying at that point you reasonably would have thought that translated to scum!me

Ahaaaaaaaaaa

Look at you, speaking like a normal person...who are you and what did you do to acidphoenix?

It's like this: in post 191 you say that your vote is legit. But I still didn't believe you. I had this hunch that, since you saw me earlier that I wanted to put pressure on Creature, you wanted to do the same to me

VOTE: mace here's your l-2

actual analysis later i need to blankslate

This sounds more like a "tremble, bitch" post rather than "i caught you, bitch" post

So even after you said that you aren't pressuring me, I thought that you still are, because that's what I would do. That's the whole point of pressuring right, to fake a push on someone. What kind of a reaction test it would be if you reveal that it's not immediately after you're asked - by none other than the person you supposedly trying to pressure. Not a good one

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eventhough if you thought i was lying at that point you reasonably would have thought that translated to scum!me

Nope

I would not and did not naturally thought that it translated to scum!you

Why would I? Because you supposedly lied?

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Lying =/= scum

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at first it was mostly agreement w rayas case

now it's that + the fact that this still makes no sense feat your explanation

I wanna repeat myself and bring more attention to this: this doesn't sound like a legit scumread

Especially after we were promised this:

VOTE: mace here's your l-2

actual analysis later

i need to blankslate

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I wonder if Chuck will put me at L-1

If I think you are a strong scum candidate then yes, if not then no. Why are you bringing me specifically into your spat with acid at this point? I wonder whether you were getting worried and were setting up a bit of redirect.

I brought you up specifically because earlier you voiced some slight concerns over me and I was curious if you would hop on my juicy wagon

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Raya

-snip-
Yes, it's early, but there is still plenty of content to get some reads from.
-snip

you say, and yet in the same post you only talk about me. 0 mention about anyone else. If there is plenty of content to get some reads from on OTHER players, why have you not shared them yourself?
Can you give reads on players, ranging from only post 1 to post 169? (pretend that the rest of the thread doesn't exist)
If so - what would they be?
If not - why do you think I'm scum for doing the same? (since I obviously can't give a read on myself)

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Chuck, do you have reads?

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Is that it?

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I don't know

I'm not sure you are though

VOTE: Creature

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Why are you so apathic

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I was hoping for more than

Couldn't change my reads much.

Also why do you choose the word "couldn't"? Why not "didn't"? Were you feeling like you were expected to change your reads?

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rn my scumpool¹ is down to {Fenrir, Spartan117, Assemblerotws, cseel}

¹ = Not my scumreads, but mostly my PoE/who I could decently see flipping scum rn.

Guessing Spartan117 + Assemblerowts scumteam.

Why is your vote still on Fenrir then?

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Why is your vote still on Fenrir then?

Hmm, let me see how I can explain it:

When you see candies near the cash desk and you wish to eat them, do you immediatelly eat them?

But then what's the point in announcing that you have the X, Y, Z, S candies on your desk, and the X and Y candies are the sweetest and wish to eat them the most, but still voting for Z? Why announce that X and Y are the sweetest at all

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Ok, so I am getting a strong scum lean towards Mace. I have found elements of his longer interactions with Acid and myself to be dishonest in parts, in the sense that he has been selective about picking apart arguments to bolster his point and I feel he intentionally misunderstands at times. I think he has been too defensive in suggesting moves were scummy and tried to discredit individuals at times rather than attack their actual responses. I also think he can be seen to avoid direct questions and redirect when things become potentially tricky.

That's alot of stuff there. Can you quote on all of that?

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Also you said you were giving a read on Creature. Do you town read him?

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I was slightly townreading Chuck for his tone until post 276, but didn't want to say so because I wasn't sure. Not anymore, call it OMGUS if you want, but that's alot of misrep for a single post

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Ok, so I am getting a strong scum lean towards Mace. I have found elements of his longer interactions with Acid and myself to be dishonest in parts, in the sense that he has been selective about picking apart arguments to bolster his point and I feel he intentionally misunderstands at times. I think he has been too defensive in suggesting moves were scummy and tried to discredit individuals at times rather than attack their actual responses. I also think he can be seen to avoid direct questions and redirect when things become potentially tricky.

That's alot of stuff there. Can you quote on all of that?

If it feels like a lot then its because I wanted to be careful in considering a vote on you in particular, because I didn't want it to be coloured by the tone of our first interaction. I think some of it is already covered in our first interaction, during which I already wondered aloud whether you were intentionally misrepresenting my point and were trying to cast doubt on me as town as a result. I will see if quotes can be more helpful later.

Not helpful. They are necessary. You just said I'm scum for a whole lot of stuff that sounds very scummy.

But there I haven't done or said a single one of those things

Especially the

I feel he intentionally misunderstands at times

part is just ...

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276 backed up by 283 is misrep galore. Also you don't seem to enjoy being cast doubt upon your "town nature" ?

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I was slightly townreading Chuck for his tone until post 276, but didn't want to say so because I wasn't sure. Not anymore, call it OMGUS if you want, but that's alot of misrep for a single post

I will call it OMGUS. I am also recalling you throwing a vote on Acid during your 1:1 with him which felt pretty similar. Are you trying to catch scum, or accusing people who disagree with you of being scum?

Raya and Fenrir call me scum. But I don't call them scum. In fact they might be town

I'm not calling you scum either. I'm just saying you're not so big town as everyone says you are.

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Post 276 needs quotes to back it up

Now I'm off out. I'll be back later today to try and add to this. I don't have time to discuss creature because i spent so much time discussing you this morning. Basically - creature for me = town, but...

If Creature is simply = town for you, why did you earlier said that you want 2 more players to give their outputs on Creature before you fire your own shots. That was a pretty dramatic and theatrical buildup, I was hoping for something big, and now you just give "creature=town the end"

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Lean Town - Spartan117
Semi-Lean Town - Chucksmohawk
Nullish - Raya36, Fenrir
Lean Scum - Creature, acidphoenix

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Me saying that Chucksmohawk might not be town was more of an emotional backlash. He really disappointed me. He still is probably town

It's hard for me to focus on this game if almost everyone keeps going after my head again and again. Having to defend myself against shit accusations is a distraction from scumhunting properly

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Mass inactivity and apathy doesn't help

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"How good would those reads be though? I am not going to force myself to say some random people are town or scum just because people are telling me to do so. When I see something I will act on my will" At the time you made this post we were on page 8. Are you saying you've seen nothing that gives you a lean on anyone, be it a town or scumlean?

What does it look like? Yes, that's what I said. At that time there was nothing to form any decent reads on.

"To get the game going somewhere, in which I was successful" Game was already going somewhere in my opinion, but that may be beside the point. What exactly did requesting Creature at L-2 do to advance the game?

It made people react to it, for starters. It formed some interactions which are there in the thread to be used for later.

"Because I would feel like a player in his first game would be much more careful in the way he posts if he was scum. The first thing I thought to myself when I read your posts was "Wow, this guy talks so much, seems like he really wants to solve this game, he must be town" which made me afraid that you might be tricking me" This confuses me. So you saw my posts and thought that because of their length I was town. And your immidiate next thought was that I could be scum just trying to seem like town? That's something scum should be doing regardless of experience level and the answer here doesn't really answer the question of "what would be AI about the length of my posts?". You end up talking about how it could come from me as either alignment, which is actually NAI. Saying that you can see something coming from someone as either alignment is not explaining how it says something about their alignment; it's effectively acknowledging it without actually giving an opinion.

Yes, it doesn't give an opinion. Am I scum for that too?

"Because if I was getting townread so much it would increase the chance of scum killing me at night since it would be harder to mislynch me" Are you saying it's a bad thing to be townread? Self-preservation like this generally isn't conducive to the town's wincon. Also, I was referring more to your interaction with acidphoenix in which you asked him about so many people townreading him-the question rephrased would be "What bothered you about so many people townreading acid?"

Of course I don't want to die. If self-preservation isn't conductive to the town's wincon you are free to vote yourself.
I as asking acid on his opinion being townread because of my own discomfort at that happening to me. I wasn't looking to know about him specifically

"1. Because I'm not afraid of getting mislynched" With two votes (three after acid's) on you you're not worried about being mislynched?

Should I be? Annoyed, yes. I feel like I'm getting confbiased here. You can't all be scum voting me. The town voting me don't even try to step back for a second and think "If Mace is town, who are the scum then?". Annoyed, but I'm not worred.

The timing of your adding acidphoenix to your townpool feels off. The timing of your townpool in general feels off actually, as you're basically adding the people who join the wagon on you while simultaneously talking about how you're not necessarily ready to give reads because they may not make sense. In the acid case specifically, you go on almost immidiately to call his reasoning for voting for you weak.

I assume you mean scumpool not townpool.
This is just spitting out buzzwords. Yes, at the start I didn't find anything to base reads on. And yes, after the game progressed, and people joined a wagon (which coincidentally happend to mine) I had someting to dig my teeth into. Acid's case was weak, is weak, and still is weak. Had this wagon been on anyone else, I would have reacted in the exact same way. Am I scum for defending myself Fenrir?

"Lying =/= scum" What incentive does town have to lie?

To make sick reaction tests

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“But then what's the point in announcing that you have the X, Y, Z, S candies on your desk, and the X and Y candies are the sweetest and wish to eat them the most, but still voting for Z? Why announce that X and Y are the sweetest at all” I am lost. (Mostly I just don’t understand the analogy.)

Whats the point in Creature having 4 scumreads, later saying that he believes 2 of them are more likely to be scum than the other 2, and yet still has his vote parked on one of the lesser ones

“I was slightly townreading Chuck for his tone until post 276, but didn't want to say so because I wasn't sure. Not anymore, call it OMGUS if you want, but that's alot of misrep for a single post”

What don’t you like about 276 that invalidated your read on Chuck? Also, if you think Chuck’s misrepresenting you, what exactly are you actually trying to convey?

Everything? Chuck is saying:
"I have found elements of his longer interactions with Acid and myself to be dishonest in parts"
and he doesn't show where
"he has been selective about picking apart arguments to bolster his point"
and doesn't show where
"I feel he intentionally misunderstands at times"
and doesn't show where
"I think he has been too defensive in suggesting moves were scummy"
and doesn't show where
"tried to discredit individuals at times rather than attack their actual responses"
and doesn't show where
"I also think he can be seen to avoid direct questions and redirect when things become potentially tricky."
and doesn't show where

Now that I look at this again, Chuck is basically saying I'm scum for defending myself (too defensive, must be SUCM!!1) but I'm also scum for attacking others (redirecting attention to others, must be SUCM!!1)

“Raya and Fenrir call me scum. But I don't call them scum. In fact they might be town. I'm not calling you scum either. I'm just saying you're not so big town as everyone says you are.” This is another thing I don’t like

Sorry to hear that

Re: your readlist; I’d be interested in hearing the reasonings behind a lot of it.

Spartan is lean town because isn't tunneling like everyone else, and he also scumreads Creature. When I'm the target of said tunneling it's hard to surpess my emotional annoyance and to try and justily sort the people on the wagon

Calling arguments made against you “shit accusations” is unhelpful, by the way.

Sorry if the truth is too hard to handle

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Fenrir that wall was a chore to reply to. Format it in a way that's easier to reply to. I'm not going to be the one putting all the effort to make it easier to read

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Chuck and Fenrir, ANY reads on ANYONE beside me?

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Also WHY am I scumreading Creature who scumreads Fenrir who scumreads me. That's so weird

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Also this doesn't feel like a 9 player game. More like 4-5

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Anyway, strong townread on Fenrir after all of that

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To clarify, I don't have four scumreads. I have four townreads. Then I listed the rest.

Why don't you push the person whom you are voting for

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why are you townreading me?

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Ok that's really kind of you

Will you be OK with me getting lynched?
If so - why?
If not - why not suggest an alternative wagon?

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If not - why not suggest an alternative wagon?

Which wagon are you up to do?

Yours

So much irony

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Ok that's really funny tbh

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Acid

If not, one of the inactives

Maybe Raya if she prodges

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Fenrir is town though I think. Your vote is better placed elsewhere

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He behaved weirdly around my wagon. Raya and Fenrir voted me and put me at L-3, and then he seemed like he was unsure about hopping on or not. He unvoted me after justifying his vote with "i mostly agree with raya's case". Currently he isn't voting anyone

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He is V/LA though so I'm not sure how effective would be to vote him

What an exciting game

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This is my first Mafia game. But I've read up alot (more than 50) and I had a friend teach me the basics

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What was the reaction test acidphoenix was talking about?

I didn't believe he was geninely scumreading me. So I challenged him by saying that. Honestly I was trying to make myself look cool. Then we started arguing about pointless stuff

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HELL YEA GO GET EM SPARTAN

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I didn't mean to slam my fists on the desk and yell "EVIDENCE NOW CHUCK"

I wanted to reinforce the idea of how important it is to continue what you started, in general

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good luck

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good luck

Since we seem to be the only ones who can post atm, what do you think of Raya and Fenrirs posts so far? Both made 11 posts so far, im gonna comb through and see if I can find specific alignment material.

I haven't payed much attention to posts Raya made before I replaced in. After that she made only 1 post, I replied to it and still waiting for the reply from her. No opinion on the slot

Fenrir's tone I really like (he is annoying me but at the same time I like it) and I like his aggresive questioning. Lean town

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That's a penis

The baker was trying to make a Tardis! --P

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HELL YEA GO GET EM SPARTAN

this could be seen as buddying

Too bad it's not

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Apart from the slight chance that Spartan is scum who knows I'm town and is faking his play in a way that it mindmelds with mine so that if I do get mislynched today he gets juicy spicy towncred tommorow, I think he's town. You can see an organic train if thought coming from him, and he feels natural. Similar thing can be said for Dunkerdoodles, but I'm not a fan of

also normally when i townread i don't really give a lot of reasoning, i just sorta do it.
sometimes i do that for scumreads too.

He has no reason to lie about this, so I believe he does this as town, but that's just an excuse to be lazy with forging fake reads as scum. The slot will be monitored closely for further inspection.

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Beep Boop Beep

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Btw I was just told that you can highlight a piece of text in a post, and if you click "quote", it will automatically add only the highlighted piece in a new empty Reply box, with the quote tags and the player name already around it. Neat

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That means we are friends now

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As long as you're town

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Why didn't you announce L-1?

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You are getting replaced anyway LOL bye

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In case I get lolhammered:
Don't put any less pressure on Creature just because he wasn't on my wagon

I don't think this can ever be a full game with there constantly being at least 2 replacements/inactive slots

Losing a bit motivation to play. Can't defend myself against people who don't properly attack me

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In case I get lolhammered:
Don't put any less pressure on Creature just because he wasn't on my wagon

I don't think this can ever be a full game with there constantly being at least 2 replacements/inactive slots

Losing a bit motivation to play. Can't defend myself against people who don't properly attack me

ok this line is terrible.
i think it's time to claim

Let's break down my wagon

1st vote by Raya. She disappeared after voting me
2nd vote by Fenrir. The only one who I can have some back and forth with. He is yet to respond to my responses
3rd vote by Chuck. No back-and-forth between me and him yet
4th vote by whatwashisnameagain that's completely naked. And I suspect it was just a prodge, he just voted the biggest wagon

Is it claim time? No it's not. I'm not claiming

Dunkerdoodles, do you think I am scum?
If so - why?
If not - why do you want me to claim?

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Dunker why did you consider giving intent to hammer if you aren't actually scumreading me?

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Raya is due a prod rip game

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Tommorow I'll catch up

Btw Assemble is due a prod again

GOOD BYE Assemble

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I have read your posts and this still stands. Plus now that I'm rereading your iso in 199 you say that asking this question was to generate discussion. If that's the case what discussion were you hoping to get and what sort of answer from Fenrir could possibly have been AI from this question? In 133 you say that you asked the question because you thought Fenrir was new and didn't see how he could be making posts like that which sounds more like you just wanted an answer from Fenrir and not a discussion. It sounds to me you just wanted to sound busy but can't back up why you posted the questions you did.

I don't have a set of predefined "find yo alignment" questions that I've written in my "find yo alignment questions" book. I was just firing off blindly. To see what happens

Fine but was there an actual reason for this or was creature conpletely random?

Random-ish
I was looking for someone to vote for and then I remembered that Creature wasn't posting alot. Which influenced me to randomly pick him

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1. The problem I have with your lack of early reads is that there was at the time a significant amount of things you could have commented on, but you didn't give anything resembling a read until specifically being called out on not having any. (In the span of two posts you go from an attitude of "it's too early" to having reads on myself, Raya, and acidphoenix.)

I didn't alot of attention to the posts before I replaced in

2. Which interactions did requesting Creature at L-2 create?

They are there, in the thread mate

4. No, I meant townpool. You said, "There should be at least 2 town in {Acid, Fenrir, Raya}." If acid's case was and is weak, why include him there to begin with?

It's not a townpool. If it was a townpool then I would be townreading all 3 of them. I said "at least 2 town out of those 3". I've already said why I'm thinking so

5. I brought up, "What incentive does town have to lie?"

because you seemed to be using "lying=/=scum" as a reason to not scumread acid.

If you think town would do it for reaction tests, can you explain your thoughts on acid's reaction test once more? (To me it seems that you didn't think it was actually a reaction test.)

You are misrepresenting what I've said. I said lying =/= scum because it's the truth. Acid isn't scum because he could be lying, he is scum for other reasons

2. Just because he didn't show where something happened doesn't mean it didn't, and I don't think that merits a shift in read on him. Additionally, this post in itself is an example of you trying to discredit individuals rather than responses (in this case based on how Chuck didn't go to the extent of quoting specific things even though people are 100% capable of reading back) and avoiding direct questions/attempting to redirect (rather than answer the question of "what are you trying to convey" that I asked you, you instead just focused on "Look how Chuck is misrepresenting me!"). I personally give "redirecting attention" a different connotation when compared to "attacking others" and you're doing the first-someone brings up a question for you and your response is to throw shade on someone else while not answering.

OK quote the scummy things I've said and done in Chuck's place then *eyeroll*. You say they are there, in the thread right?

4. How does Spartan scumreading Creature make him more likely to be town?

For me it does. Because I'm doing the same

Why is this?

I think I said this already. I like your tone and your exhausting questions

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Half the confusion based around your interaction with acidpheonix seems to have been deliberately created by you, and where there's smoke, there's fire.

*confusion seems to have been deliberately created by me*

quote? discussion?

or just throw shade and disappear?

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spartan mace scumteam?
ggwp

FoS Dunker

First you nullread me, when assemble puts me at L-1 you scumread me and want a claim, when I say "no" you back off, now assemble throws a shade on me that has already been thrown before (chuck also said I'm deliberately confusing things) and that make me scum for you agian

Why me and Spartan? Do you have your own thoughts about that, or are you just echoing the thread?

And don't tell me

Is that your content for the next 2 days?

is the reason me and Spartan are scumbuddies, because that's a very valid point to make against assemble. He has 7 posts in total this game, he is a SE and he was here from the very start

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VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

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mace's style of play is very interesting which is hard for me to read

In case I get lolhammered:
Don't put any less pressure on Creature just because he wasn't on my wagon

I don't think this can ever be a full game with there constantly being at least 2 replacements/inactive slots

Losing a bit motivation to play. Can't defend myself against people who don't properly attack me

ok this line is terrible.
i think it's time to claim

nvm you can be town

i was going to say you should claim because i was considering declaring intent but i decided you are town

spartan mace scumteam?
ggwp

This is Dunker's read progression on me. Now that I look at it again it may not necessarily be fake, since at the end that "spartan mace scumteam?" seems to be mostly thrown at Spartan and not at me. But still though his read progression on Spartan is really weird. He reversed it 180 so fast

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I just remembered you said you don't give reasonings for your reads. Maybe I should have asked you first instead of voting you then. Can you explain your 180 on Spartan?

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(I meant to quote his read progression on Spartan too here but then I just saw that he said that)

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Draynth I can't wait to hear more from you buddy. I don't remember your entrance and I went back to recheck it and it's very ... how to say this ... safe. Like, it isn't something memorable. Do you like laying low when you roll scum, or do you try to be a deep wolf?

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Raya I'll respond in a bit

I'm more interested in this: Dunker I don't think you ever explained WHY you retracted your townread on Spartan so suddenly

What posts made you do it? Can you quote them?

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@mace i was just throwing it out there as a possibility that i would look into further. something about spartan's posts was pinging me a bit, they almost feel fake and fabricated, but i'm not sure. i also found that you guys rarely mentioned each other in your iso's, which felt a bit strange considering you have been 2 of the biggest contributors.
anyways, i could see you guys still being town, again i just threw it out there and i also wanted to see if anyone else saw you 2 as possible partners.

If you say "I already explained it", this post above isn't good enough

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@mace i was just throwing it out there as a possibility that i would look into further. something about spartan's posts was pinging me a bit, they almost feel fake and fabricated, but i'm not sure. i also found that you guys rarely mentioned each other in your iso's, which felt a bit strange considering you have been 2 of the biggest contributors.
anyways, i could see you guys still being town, again i just threw it out there

and i also wanted to see if

anyone else

saw you 2 as possible partners.

The bolded part really pings. Me + Spartan scumteam has been suggested numerous time before you did. And you say you are the first to see it and want to hear other's opinions

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1 more thing: Dunker can you link me a game in which you were town and your reads flip-flopped like hot pancakes like they are doing this game?

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aaaaand finally

Assemble you are playing in a way that is against your alignment. You are either scum laying low and you will not make it very far, or you are town who doesn't care about the game very much. You are making yourself hard/impossible to read if you barely post. You are here as a SE, not a newbie

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OK I just reread Raya's post and I don't think that you asked me any questions

it was just me going back through his iso, not one particular post. I already said i can't point out posts in particular because i don't know which posts it would be.
also, what do you mean by "so suddenly". how would i be able to retract my townread slower? i literally just said i don't townread him anymore, it wasn't like me saying i townread him to him being confirmed scum.

._.
"I reread Spartan's ISO and a number of posts made me change my read on him. I can't quote the posts because I don't know where are they"

loldunker

quote the posts were someone directly mentioned a spartan+mace scumteam. i don't recall anyone mentioning it, i could've always missed it tho.

Honestly this feels a bit insulting. You don't move yo lazy ass to make a single quote and you don't plan on explaining any reads, and you want me to dig up the thread to find all the times me+spartan has been mentioned. You can ask any other player, he will confirm amigo

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assemble does feel more like a policy lynch then scum tho

can't not agree

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I also find it interesting for you to say you are trying to think out all scenarios and talk about Scum Mace pocketing me but don't talk about the idea of me pocketing mace, is that not then also pocketing by regarding me as only town? because the only people that know I'm town are myself and the two scum

good post

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unofficial vc:
Macemeetface7 (3): Raya36, Fenrir, Assemblerotws (L-2)
Assemblerotws (3): acidphoenix, Spartan117, Draynth (L-2)
Dunkerdoodles (1): Macemeetface7

Not Voting (2): Dunkerdoodles, Creature,

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The way things are going I'm limited to voting only Assemble and I don't like that. Would prefer to vote for someone I think is scum. Assemble is null, sorry if this is harsh but I want him to replace out so someone who wants to play the game and is easier to read comes in his spot

Creature, Dunker can you pls vote

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Acid's V/LA ends today come play with us friend

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Nullread on Draynth, I can't get under his skin. His posting style and tone is so neutral and calm. Saying this just made me talk myself into gut scumreading him

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Creature where is your IC-powered motivation to lead the town?

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Raya what is your read on Assemble?

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Dunker is voting me but I don't think he's actually scumreading me

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lolspartan

Spoiler:

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Acid what's up

[Macemeetface7]

He meant BP. Bulletproof Townie

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Why did you claim lol

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Does this have something to do with that BP claiming strategy thing? I remember that I just skimmed it

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So are we doing this strategy?

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I claim Not BP

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I want to lynch between Dunker/Acid/Creature

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Someone give me a summary as to why Macemeetface7 is at L-1

I'm not sure how relevant an explanation coming from me would be due to obvious bias, but I'd say I am/was at L-1 because a lot of players here are/were too lazy to put effort to the game and create meaningful scumreads. I was the first big wagon and it snowballed

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Assemble (your predecessor) voted me because I was the biggest wagon and he wanted to prodge
Dunker isn't actively gamesolving
and Creature claimed that he is townreading me but he "is too lazy to write me a proper defense"

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I thnk the 2 scum can be found in {Dunker, Acid, Creature}

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VOTE: Dunker

L-1

This could be a possible bus

mindmeld

but I don't want to create pre-flip associations on day 1

btw Creature I think I remember you saying earlier that you dont like to move your vote around. Why move it now, if Acid and Dunker are the same to you?

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ok

if Dunker is lynched today and he flips scum, Jailkeeper or Tracker should consider using ability on Creature

if we lynch town today, remember that scum can use both members to perform the kill, so think about how you use your jailkeeping/tracking ability. if you use it on a widely scumread target, you have to consider the other member (who could potentially be widely townread) performing the kill

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and Creature I don't like how you have been townreading me for a while now but weren't really vocally defending me or suggesting another wagon. At one point I had an intent to hammer placed on me. I have this gut feeling that you are scum who knew I'm town and you wanted to wait for me to get lynched so tommorow you could say "I TOLD U GUYS" and win town points

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No kills?

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nvm it was hard to spot

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VOTE: acidphoenix

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acid or creature?

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Acid seems to have disappeared from the face of Earth

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Nah bro I think I'll hammer

VOTE: Acidphoenix

Sorry if wrong, cya tommorow

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I rate Virtuoso's reaction higher than Spartan's

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I still townread Spartan but if Acid is town then Spartan could be scum

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But Spartan if you say that you panicked, why are you telling Virtuoso to not panick? Isn't that a bit contradictory?

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He said if acid is town then I'm scum for quickhammering him. You told him that he shouldn't be rash about that. But if you yourself was surprised by that quickhammer, why couldn't he had been aswell? Being surprised leads to rash statements, right

I don't like how your first reaction was to look for peace and forgiveness like Jesus, in the face of danger and uncertainty (don't know how to say it in normal words lol)

p-edit: one second

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actually this is interesting: spartan why would i not be scum for quickhammering town!acid?

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What does everyone think of Dunker flipping scum, and the Hammer from Virtuoso, I personally felt while he did ask if anyone objected, if I was online at the time I would have asked if he could have waited till after Raya and Creature had finished their discussion.

I was annoyed at Dunker flipping town, that's why I didn't say anything. I would imagine he normally gets lynched day 1 very very often if he plays like that every time

Also what are the thoughts on Dray getting lynched, personally I'm pretty sad to see him go, he had a good life, short as it was, it was good and townie.
I was thinking about the choice of killing Dray, would the mafia rather kill a townie that was scumreading them or one that was townreading them as to make them look more innocent, which is a much more dangerous game to play.

This are interesting thoughts about killing someone who scumreads you vs. killing someone who townread you. I don't know which is better, but I am 99% sure that scum's first priority is to kill the Tracker/Jailkeeper so they are probably looking to do that

Finally guys have you got any reasons for your votes, why are you voting on Acid straight away, also I dont like how creature follows mace around like a bad smell, I know there is one thing agreeing on something, but its literally the very start of day 2 and Acid is L-2 already, if nether of you are mafia its not that hard for the 2 scum to just jump on the wagon and a whole in-game day has gone by in a couple hours.

There is nothing new to say about Acid. He hasn't been here for a long long time. All my reasoning stands from the first half of day 1. I was at some point considering that no scum would lurk like that, it'd make him obvious, but then I shaved my beard with occam's razor

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da fuq? Ok if acid is town then this gets lynched tomorrow

Stop acting so rash

, if you are BP like you say you are (we havent had the chance for everyone to not counterclaim)

I would still consider

Fenrirs replacement and Raya, dont just lynch Mace the next day before

thinking things through

Didn't realise he was already on the wagon. Anyway I need to have my morning coffee and properly wake up before I put my thoughts in this game as I'm just gonna keep up saying idiotic things

UNVOTE:

Neither did I, I forgot and

panicked

, well thank god can you guys please slow down a bit.

I may just be extremely nitpicky here. Not sure how to phrase it. The bolded parts in the two different posts don't sound in harmony with each other (pls don't laugh)

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Okay I'll read his ISO later

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i said no cc earlier

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Whew guys, very much not worth reading.
Most interestingly my main take from the game?

"Acid vs mace" in the early game felt like scum-theater.
VERY strong gut feeling on that.
Might be getting acid reflux.

Not counterclaiming BP.
Feel like Virtuoso is really BP, but if we make Acid flip and he isn't scum, I want a clear massclaim to possibly discredit that.
Him fakeclaiming as scum isn't really a new thing (I think?).

Checking VCs separately once more and then placing my vote.

i don't mind you thinking me and acid are scumbuddies if u help to lynch him

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oh i forgot to read that game spartan linked me lol

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i skimmed over his iso in that game you linked me. he has put way more effort in that game than in this game. and that game he was town

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if im the Jailkeeper, n1 i jailed acid
if im the Tracker, n1 i tracked Creature and he didn't visit anyone

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artisic visionaries think alike

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Calculus made me quit uni next year I will go study game development in the netherlands

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im very happy that we have acid/creature wagons going on. i think both of them are scum. id still rather acid lynched

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spartan who would u vote?

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btw both are at L-1 so state intent before voting

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im not sure how good is asking creature for a role claim though. we already had acid claim. isn't the purpose of forcing people to claim roles just to avoid lynching a PR? if so, isn't asking multiple people for roleclaims in one day anti-town?

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because we can't lynch both creature and acid on the same day, and if at least one of them is town, scum can narrow down the list of people who are potentially the PR better than if that person didn't claim during the day

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Why are acid and creature both scum

because they are both scummy

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i dont think i wanna vote unabombah

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raya why do you say creature is your most consistent scumread this game? isnt that me?

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i can think of 2 ways we get out of this sticky situation of having 3 equal wagons

1)spartan votes and we proceed naturally from there
or
2)virtuoso as the inCCed town PR takes control of our votes

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Spartan very town in his latest posts

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Unabombah saying he scumread virtuoso for his push on him was a bit weird. in the sense that it kinda feels fake. unabombah said "virtuoso for a second there i thought u were scum pulling a risky gambit" but that doesnt make sense since he is unCCed, and this unlogical emotional outburst i would expect more from a newbie player and not from SE

I cant read raya very well she is not posting alot

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mod replace me irl reasons