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Sorry guys, i fucked up my entrance. Im going to just go home.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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VOTE: Dann
Anyone not voting here is scum or town that needs to die.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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The rest of my team didnt want to play in this one and I didnt want to play in the large at all. This one kinda fits the way I play better since some of my best games have been as a VT fighting everyone and figuring out the scum team and then taking them out in lylo/mylo for the win. No need to thank me, its just what I do. Win fucking games. Check my iso for confirmation.In post 9, gobbledygook wrote:@everyone, why did everyone choose this game?Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I dont agree with this. I think that white flag forces us to actually play the game instead of waiting for people with night actions to point us in the right direction. We have to play differently here and part of that is going to be how much we fight with each other. And thats not to mean we cant disagree, but we should know right now that there is almost no chance that we arent going to mislynch at some point. What we need to look at is the VCA and the wagons of the day prior to inform the wagons and lynches of the days to come. Even a mislynch is going to net us info, and the more info we have the better we see the full puzzle of whos working with the town and whos working against it.In post 11, gobbledygook wrote:
I didn't I wanted to be in the other open game, but I think I was too heavy handed my own personal blacklist and bob got pushed into it insteadIn post 10, KittyMo wrote:Will you answer this too?
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This is a third for wgeurts and the second i think that was naked.In post 14, northsidegal wrote:i was in white flag last team mafia, and i'm a creature of habit. plus, i was never taking the large theme, didn't really want a normal and i told RC i wanted white flag before the open setup was revealed and so that's what he put me for.
VOTE: wgeurts
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Hopefully like peoples teammates telling them to pull theirs heads out of their asses when theyve made shitty reads theyve settled into tunneling...In post 17, KittyMo wrote:I suspect the team aspect can fix some of the issues that cause towns to do worse in practice.
Making sure they play mostly without working against town.
Flip side, i think it makes finding scum a little harder without more data. The scum team basically has 9 other people to help them out with their games as well.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Pine v Ali. I just wanna be able to say I pegged you on day one when you eventually snow the shit out of us all.In post 29, Dannflor wrote:Why’d you choose to vote me, FF?Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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What about Kittys open was more appealing that Cephs? Both were first votes on people and both had witty remarks to catch appeal. The big fan comment to NSG after she voted with you guys is something that pings me too. Like you are trying to gain her favor by pandering to her after she sheeped your sheep.In post 33, Dannflor wrote:I voted for wgeurts because I liked KittyMo’s entrance and wanted to build a wagon, and wagons good blah blah blahShow"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Im a sucker for recency bias.
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He has, but he also seemed fine as a fucking evil tree in a forest of lies.In post 39, KittyMo wrote:I think he's pretty likeable so far. Whether that's worthy of an actual read is most of what I had to mull before you blew up the thread.
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I did take that as a bit of fanboyism, hence my big fan post. I didn't take it as AI at all though, just unsure of the sentiment.In post 40, Dannflor wrote:It was more post #10 than her opening opening that I liked. Just a gut “hey that feels genuine” ping but gotta go off something.
I thought people might interpret that as me trying to pocket nsg or something but really I’m just a fanboy. Also don’t think that post realistically does anything to “gain favor” with a player of her caliber (oops I’m doing it again).
About Kitty mo- The below post is the one you got town feels from? If anything it pinged me slightly scummy because of the bolded part. I kinda felt like this was her subconsciously admitting to being afraid of being investigated and found out to be scum, so knowing that she couldnt have that happen here to her would be a benefit to her.
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Lots of reasons! I like smaller games, I'm more interested in the day game as both alignments, and I don't have to worry as much about not knowing the current site meta of closed game design. I also like not having to stress over whether my top scumread is going to turn out to be anIn post 9, gobbledygook wrote:@everyone, why did everyone choose this game?investigative PR(this happens to me well above chance).
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Do you have problems differentiating between big dick town PRs and nasty scum bois?In post 44, KittyMo wrote:
That's not my baggage; the last time I even specifically recall being the target of an investigative role was in 2009. I can dig up proof that I have a problem trying to hang PRs if that's of interest.In post 42, Formerfish wrote: I kinda felt like this was her subconsciously admitting to being afraid of being investigated and found out to be scum, so knowing that she couldnt have that happen here to her would be a benefit to her.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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ShrugIn post 47, Cephrir wrote:When I saw how active FF was being I thought I would have a townread on him by the time I caught up, but I don't!Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Spam posting on page 2 oh no! I'm so sorry turkey.In post 150, gobbledygook wrote:
I glazed over spam posting from FormerfishIn post 147, KittyMo wrote:I guess I'm interested in why you didn't comment on anything from page 2 that wasn't a direct question toward you. Like, the amount of posts is clearly not being a barrier to you being able to analyze what was there. What was your mindset?
Oh shit. Wait. I have 16 posts, 17 after this one. I would say more than half of my posts are legit posts and very little is spam.
You have 42 posts and half of them are one line posts. Don't shade me with that weak ass shit when you are the blackest kettle around.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Probably from where you keep complaining about being run up in games and you saying I was spamming the thread.In post 150, gobbledygook wrote:I glazed over spam posting from Formerfish
Spamming and posting a lot are not the same thing. Creature spams threads. RC spams threads. I post content. If you dont understand what im doing then you need to work on your reading comprehension.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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@MOD- You have me voting Dunn, not Dann. I get the mixx up, so i ain't mad atcha.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I won't be getting to this tonight. I'm only like 2 pages back, but I feel like the 2 pages before it don't look familiar. I'll start I to those pages tomorrow, Monday by the latest.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I'm fed. I'm showered. And as soon as I repack this piece in front of me I'm going to be present for a reread if anyone is interested in danding.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Gobs question becomes a thing.
Dann shows his inner fan boi towards NSG
Geurt wagon grows to 4 with Auro vote
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This is pretty much just Dann and I.
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I didnt mind the question because I do think that there could be info we can glean from a choice. Like if anyone wanted to be in this game and why. Or if everyone was forced into the game then there would be nothing to gain from it. I also don't mind the cageyness of Gob around his reasonings because tipping his hand about the reason behind the question could compromise his ability to get anything from the question.In post 50, Auro wrote:How does the answer to "Why White Flag?" give any useful information? The reasons would have been established prior, and there's no picking games after role assignments anyway.
Who?In post 58, Cephrir wrote:Also one of my teammates thinks he's just town!
Ceph started in on Gob here 60.
Hopkirk became a thing and my head started to hurt.
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Ceph and Gob go back and forth a lot. Ceph seems to have an issue with the use of big words and is making a meta argument against Gob, but when called on it Ceph denies that its a meta read while only talking about meta and even admitting he was still going on about meta. To call someone "wooden" is to imply that you have seem them before as town as has been looser then he is here. If meta isnt the basis for the casis, then what is Ceph?
I don't get the bit Hops doing. That team knows they dont play in all the games concurrently right?
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Sure, 37 I'm saying that the interaction was something that made me stop and pay attention, and in 40 I'm saying that I don't know if its AI and what I meant about the sentiment is that there isnt anyone on here on irl that I would fan boi for. Like I've met people at conventions and shit, but ive never been like omg and starts gushing. I only do that for people I know but havent seen in awhile. Like if Titus is in a game I'm in, youll see it.In post 100, KittyMo wrote:I'm having some trouble seeing how these fit together. It might help if you expanded on how you're "unsure of the sentiment."
I don't think I'm that big.In post 103, gobbledygook wrote:I didn't even see that post, but yeah that is a big personality.
I do like how Ceph is bouncing around, it reminds me of town games with him.
This was weird.In post 117, gobbledygook wrote:While we are on the topic of meta, if NSG lurks she is scum. Period.
Should i be insulted by the bold?In post 121, Dannflor wrote:
I'm trying not to let this specifically influence my read becauseIn post 120, Cephrir wrote:and i think he's not afraid to make waves and that's goodI think this is just who FF is as a person
but I think I'm finally vibing with a town read
I don't have any scum reads yet but I guess I can live with that
Biggest take away from the 1st 5 is a town lean on Ceph based on his vote hoping and the pressure he's putting on slots already.
I don't like how bogged down Dann got with Gob and the RQS about why this game as I posted above I think that there could be info to gain from this.
Gob also took some heat from multiple slots and I think he came out the other side looking better each time. Town lean here too.
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This is an interesting read. I didn't feel like Kitty was doing that, but I was also not involved in the "messy" parts so maybe it just feels that way if you were active in the thread? I'll have to look back at Kitty to see if I see the same thing.In post 140, Hopkirk wrote:Not a fan of how passive 100 reads tone wise. She made a lot of comments but what she left out gives me the impression she was avoiding getting into the noisiest/messiest/most visible parts of the game. Fence sitting on Gobble. Not getting involved/commenting about me (the hydra thing) and the gobble/Ceph conflict that were both going on at the time.
Cephs actions dont ping me like that, ive seen plenty of people vote for who they want to talk to, its almost like a shout in a crowd to that person because they will definitely see a vote for them if they are active.In post 142, gobbledygook wrote:The desire to not want to be voting me is not scummy, the need to move it to another person to talk with them is weird. You just did it with Auro too.
After Kittys 147 i no longer feel good about Hopkirks Hottake. I liked this part "I don't think your takes on "the first part" are great. Like, you seem to be arguing it's both "too prepared" but also something he didn't think through enough when he asked it which is why he had to overprepare later?" towards Hops read on Gob. Looking back at what shes talking about made me look at Hops posts in a different light. Town points for Kitty.
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Which posts and why didnt they make it onto your catch up? You talk about Dann in your first post and you seem to like him, and then without much mention of him you flip your read.In post 155, Dunnstral wrote:I did though, I think Dann wrote you off as town too fast and was kind of scummy in the posts right before the vote
Which games are you basing this meta off of? And I don't feel like I've been posting much at all. I've been working through some stuff irl and haven't had the drive to do many things I enjoy.In post 169, Auro wrote:FormerFish isn't as impressive as his former games at all. He has a lot of posts, but not a lot of content, save a weakish push on KittyMo.
And if I made a weak push on anyone it was Dann.
I like Dunn over Auro in their beef.
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Wow, this was a bit unnecessary to me. Unless this is a joke and im just taking it the wrong way...In post 178, wgeurts wrote:
Dude what. Quickly interrupting me reading up to state how this is a terrible idea. Why would you participate in an event consisting of games where everyone is expected to be playing at their best, knowing you don't have the time to do so?In post 23, Auro wrote:
I'm not going to have a lot of time to invest in TM, so decided I'd go for the simplest setup.In post 9, gobbledygook wrote:@everyone, why did everyone choose this game?
Others are dependent on your performance, not just of your team but also your faction in this game. You are an absolute liability to the town if you don't put in effort, which takes time. I really hope to see it from you.
This is actually kinda scary how in step we are. I even don't like myself at times.In post 181, wgeurts wrote:Okay so, I like Dunnstral and Cephrir for town, probably also Hopkirk but I want to talk with them. I don't particularly like both FormerFish and Auro, and have doubts on Turkey being scum as the interaction with Cephrir seemed pretty TvT for an early game exchange. I want to hear more thoughts from Joan as sorting them can be tedious if they're not all too invested.
Will write up my explanations in a bit. I'm way too tired at the moment.
Dann 184 do you think that Im scum reading you because of my rvs vote? 151 and 153 are me poking at Gob to see what he'll do, kinda the same thing i did to you with my rvs vote. Thats kinda what i do on d1s if you havent noticed. Some may be hunters, but im more of a gatherer. Strongest read is on Ceph town, and i liked part of Geurts entry, not a fan of the rebuke.
You love wagons based on nothing dont you? Is that because you aren't very good at forming reads so you hop from wagon to wagon in hopes that something clicks for you?In post 186, Auro wrote:Join the FF wagon?
Isnt what youre describing a chainsaw defense? You think my town read is scum so you have to be scum.In post 186, Auro wrote:It's quite simple reasoning. A continued push on reasons I (at least initially) disagreed with, on a slot I judge likely town, is slightly likelier to come from scum than random to my eyes. You've never seen someone push someone else for pushing a townread of theirs?
Also, can you give me a brief explanation of your scumreads so far?
Form reads based off peoples own actions not how you think they play off other reads that arent set in stone or ever verifiable.
I love you too Dongy.In post 187, Donempire wrote:Sure, you can consider it as such. What do you make of it?
Dafuq?In post 189, Donempire wrote:i want to clear my mind on former first because this doesnt play like his towngame.
I didn't see Auros vote on Dong coming, I kinda thought there were teaming up to come after me the way they've been talking. This just got interesting.
Why do you speak for Dong while you are voting him? Dongs issues is with Ceph, you dont need to step in for Dong.
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Dong is going deep on Ceph and Auro. I think his instincts are correct on one and not the other.
Not a fan at all of Auros vote for Ceph in 203. Like Auro admits that Dong hasnt done anything to wash the scummy taste out of his mouth at all, but still moves his vote to someone who is clearly towning it up here.
Sorry Kitty, answered above.
What are they saying about it?In post 208, Cephrir wrote:I feel like I'm doing it wrong continuing to have short posts!
My team is supporting me on the Auro suspicion, so im content to roll with that for a bit.
RC says that Gobs is scum?In post 224, northsidegal wrote:okay he's bothering me to say that he specifically means on gobbles
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I dont like this. The voting progression of Auro and Dong feel off here. Like they vote for separate people, and then for each other and then one sheeps the other. It just feels to incestuous. And if the vote is on Ceph because of his play style thats a weak vote and you both should feel bad about it.
He said that white flag is hard to win as town. I disagreed and explained why I felt that wasnt true. I don't know why youre calling it a monologue because its not even among the biggest posts in thread and was made on page 2 in response to something from page 1. I dont understand how me explaining why a post made sense for me to contribute at the time will help change something you see as NAI.In post 229, Hopkirk wrote:@Formerfish: could you explain the thought process you had while posting this? It reads like the textbook 'LAMIST' and the connection between your monologue and Gobble's post feels loose at best - as though you wanted to post this and you're using Gobble's post as an excuse to post it. Don't really see why you'd want to as scum or as town though, so interested in your mindset.
I resent this depiction of me.In post 230, Hopkirk wrote:pretty abrasive personality/playwise
He kinda retreated, which I see coming from town more so than scum. If scum saw a chance to rake me over the coals for being a douche they would have. Ive been teetering on Gob a little, but I keep coming back to the town side based off a game i played with him recently.In post 231, Hopkirk wrote:Did this help you develop your read on Turkey? If so, what is it.
I am rarely impressive on d1, i get cooking d3 or so.In post 243, Auro wrote:I explained it in the very post you quoted - FormerFish's content was unimpressive, unlike in my previous games with him. Why was this hard to understand?
245 Espy remembered this game is a thing.
No read on at all: Joan, NSG, Espy
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Its time to repack the bowl and get some more koolaid.
Im glad those walls didnt end up as long as i thought they were going to cause i forgot to spolier them...Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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In post 346, Dunnstral wrote:Gobble is the scummiest player at this point in the game.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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uhhh pay no attention to that random blurb.. nothing to see here.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Can you go into your mixed feelings more? Im kinda getting the feeling that youre fishing for reasons to scum read me for some reason and you have nothing right now so you are looking to latch on to someone elses reasons as an excuse to get off the fence on me.In post 250, Dannflor wrote:I was curious because I had mixed feelings on FF at the time, still do tbh. And I wanted to know if you scum read him, what the reasons for that were.
This post feels off to me for some reason as well. The post from NSG that Dann quoted as her 4th post and has offered almost nothing to the game at all. Why is Dann so interested in her town block when no ones town block should have NSG in it right now?In post 252, Dannflor wrote:
I see the other two but why wgeurtsIn post 221, northsidegal wrote:my current working townblock is {dunn, kittymo, wgeurts}
How do you feel about Auro since has basically did the same things as Dong here? Are you tring Auro since you think scumDong latched onto his bad read on Ceph?In post 254, Dannflor wrote:And I really don't like that vote on Cephrir immediately after from Dongempire
VOTE: Dongempire
I mean if I were to think of a ballsy 2nd post in a game itd be a naked vote 250 posts after the first.
Whats the difference between it being said in their teams pt and here? If they agree with the comment from their teammate its just as much coming from them as it is another. I doubt that if one of my teammates said XYZ were scum and I disagreed you guys wouldnt be hearing about it in this thread. (this post just beat Joans out for best 2nd post)In post 265, Espeonage wrote:So just skimming this page alone. idgaf if it's prevalent in other games, but here, I don't want to see any of this attacking with x reason because y teammate said so. It removes accountability, the teammate is able to read from a neutral perspective, and therefore muddies the entirety of the game.
Bounce ideas of them sure, but play your game, don't be a conduit for someone to just play four games.
Vote: Auro
I can see scum Auro, but I dont see scum Dunn right now, what are you seeing?In post 274, Espeonage wrote:So I've found two scum which is enough to win the game. Auro and Dunn are both scum kthxbi
I like Kittys posts more and more, got a little worried seeing her say Gammagooey was sring me, but the correction post put that to bed.
Its lines like this that make me like her posts by the way.In post 270, KittyMo wrote:Highlighting your effort rather than trying to build on it is more likely to be a feature of fake solving.
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Right now, no, I have him as townish. I'd be down for Auro or Dong at this point.In post 277, Dunnstral wrote:Is gobble vote-worthy in your eyes, why or why not?
Am i dumb for not knowing what you mean?In post 278, Espeonage wrote:exploitable mechanic.
Why? So you can finally justify a tr on me? Ducky tell you to pocket me this way?
You could push a scum read of your own? I feel like this whole game you have been asking questions and have been talking a lot but i havent seen a push from you yet, have i? Why jumpstart the game with saying random stuff to see what happens when you have barely said your own reads.In post 288, Dannflor wrote:at this point I'm just trying to throw stuff out there and see what sticks and what doesn't because this game needs something to kick start it
291 where the fuck does this vote on Ceph from Dann come from?
Ducky could have said that to him as scum only if you were town. If Dann is scum Ducky could have told him to keep an eye on you and then had to come up with a reason why he said that. This probably means that Dann and Auro are not scum together.In post 293, Auro wrote:
Yeah, if they were scum I don't think they'd fake a reason for duck to tell Dann to keep an eye out for me.In post 277, Dunnstral wrote:Well if he's town, then his teammate acts one way, if he's scum then his teammate acts the other way, right? Or are you saying that Duck wouldn't bother with that if he were scum?
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This feels like a dodge to me. I think its reasonable for Dunn to ask why the quick tr on Espy if Dann has no experience with Espy. I think its a little pedantic to act like the idea of tring Espy is crazy when all Dunn asked for was the reason behind the tr in this game, that Dann gave.In post 305, Dannflor wrote:Unsure what this question is supposed to mean? Am I not supposed to form reads on people I've never played with before?
You did say you were overrated, maybe the scum pressure is getting to you and chinks in your armor are starting to spider out putting you closer and closer to sure death?In post 305, Dannflor wrote:Maybe I'm just bad!
It took me a minute to figure out what you were saying here, it was a bit convoluted, but i think i got there in the end. This is about Auro not looking at Gobs iso right?In post 306, Hopkirk wrote:I don't really think this responds to my point. Do you see why I'd have a problem with you making meta arguments on 2 people (though maybe just one since you said FF was past game based, but I'm counting it as meta argument in treating you as a player who likes meta) then being suspicious of someone for something that meta would help you to sort while not looking at the meta on that person?
In that game I was a hydra and it was a large theme that i like instantly got scumread by multiple people in and had to fight them off the entire time. I was unhappy with that game and its the only one ive even considered blacklisting someone as a result of.In post 309, Auro wrote:About FF: He was Nev from some Booneytunz Extravaganza game I remember, and was a very aggressive (in a way that advances the game) voice there, his 20 posts here feel nothing like that. I forget why I asked you to sell me on town!FF, looking back at your posts I don't see a townread from you.
Is this the shit on FF game and no one told me?In post 317, Auro wrote:NSG's being clear in her lack of effort so far, and has mentioned there are other reasons.
FF is a slot I wouldn't mind lynching D1, but NSG I wouldn't - even if there were reasons to believe she's scum, I'd put her off for a later day.
So NSG is worth keeping around to see how accurate her reads are, but I can die today? Thanks bro.In post 321, Auro wrote:Yeah I wouldn't apply a BoP to FF
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I guess i spoke too soon about people not putting out reads from teammates in thread they dont believe in themselves. Does Cane have a lot of experience with those two in particular?In post 328, Dannflor wrote:Eddie Cane would like it to be publicly stated that his two most confident reads are Auro and Hopkirk as town.
I agree for the most part. Definitely on Hopkirk, somewhat less confident but still town reading Auro.
I like this vote about as much as when he voted foe Ceph.
Is this another one of those throw shit and see what sticks things, or are you moving your vote to sit it until deadline when we eventually have to lynch Gob because of deadline?
I dont understand how you could come to any conclusion on Joans alignment based off Im here and a naked vote on Gob. Literally 2 posts. If Gob is the lynch and flips scum I would see that as nothing other than a distancing vote from Joan.In post 332, Auro wrote:@the Joan of Arc point: I think Dunn's reasoning actually makes sense here, and if Gobble's actually scum this would make Joan very likely town to me. However I can also imagine scum!her being coached into naked wagoning and lurking...
If he hasnt read the game why does it feel like you are using him as a crutch?In post 333, Dannflor wrote:
the worst also concurs! Although he has not read the entire game I don't think and has no other reads besides youIn post 332, Auro wrote:@Dann, somehow I feel a little bit uncomfortable with my being the "most confident" town read. Does tw concur?
Ive never played with NSG so I dont know her meta to comment on. Why is she the only scum read you explain? Wgeurt, Dong and I are all below the line of demarcation, but NSG is the only one of us high enough to get explained.In post 341, gobbledygook wrote:I want to vote NSG because she is playing into her scum meta that I saw in Alternative 9P. I find it odd that no one else is commenting on that. It seemed like it was common knowledge across the site since other payers in that game also made that observation.
In post 346, Dunnstral wrote:Gobble is the scummiest player at this point in the game.
Gob is the scummiest player to Dunn. Gob claims to have info on NSG that makes her scum. Dunn votes me while asking his biggest scum read what makes NSG scum. That totally makes sense.In post 346, Dunnstral wrote:If you have meta info on scum NSG you should share it, I don't know what you are talking about.
VOTE: Formerfish
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In post 362, Auro wrote:Basing meta off booneytunz extravaganza, weren't you Nev?
Yes, as a hydra.
I do love wagons based on nearly nothing in RVS, yes.
Sweet, learn anything from your vote hopping?
Playstyle is no excuse for scummy play.
I don't see Ceph as playing scummy. I see this as his town game. Look at him in Baton Pass and you will see the same attitude, posting, dismissiveness everything to a t.
I did form a mild push based on people's actions - their attack of a townread of mine.
Attacking a townread of yours shouldnt automatically make them scum to you. Don't you think you'd want to engage the person with a differing view to see if you were incorrect and therefore could reassess and readjust or maybe explain why you have the read you have and see if you could change the other persons? It seems kinda silly to arbitrarily decide someones alignment based off your reading of a different slot. You could easily be wrong and are tring a scumbag and are scumreading a townie based off them correctly scumreading the scum that has snowed you. Again, im pretty sure this is a chainsaw defense and is a scummy thing to do
I admitted the opposite about Doing, what did you get out of post 259?
I must have missed that one.
I didn't "step in", I was also attacking Ceph from before that, so...? How is this scum motivated anyway?
You did step in because you were further explaining Dongs position against Ceph. Ceph asked Dong a question is response to a post Dong had made. Before Dong responded you made a post. Its scummy because either you are white knighting dong or trying to pocket him here.
I see the Dong+Auro association but that's not a path I'd take if I were scum with him, lol.
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That brings me up to date and this is where i am reads wise after all that.
Townie: Wgeurt, Kitty, Ceph, Hop, Espy
Nullie: Dunn, NSG, Gob
Scummie: Dann, Joan, Auro, Dong
Looking at the wagons we have 3 leading ones, Ceph, Auro and Gob.
Seeing Auro, Dong and Dann on Ceph make me feel good about that slot being town considering Joan would have to come back on to naked vote there as well for all my scum reads to be voting Ceph.
Auro is being voted by Ceph, Hop and Espy all people I have good feels about so far. Then Gob has Dunn and Joan on it.
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Is this about NSG?In post 369, Auro wrote:
Which part of "they still didn't bother shifting votes off a top 3 townread" is fallacious? It's a pretty standard standard to hold someone to, moreso from a known competent player.In post 354, Espeonage wrote:Y'all can revisit this later as anecdotal evidence but I am gonna need more than logical fallacies to join wagons for the sake of it.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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So you care more about the single rvs vote on wgeurts from NSG that is in no way a danger to wgeurts because he has one vote and I havent seen many people saying hes on the top of their scum list.In post 303, T-Bone wrote:
NSG has said she isnt very involved in the thread right now and you seem to have an issue with that.
Joan said shes here and then naked votes Gob and you seem to be just aofuckingk with that for some reason.
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I mean wgeurts has less posts than NSG and he is voting for Kitty, wanna vote him next?Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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@mod- Can we get an update on wgeurts and Joan and then a prod of NSG cause she just went into the red zone.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I don't see why you care about her vote at all. She's admitted to not being very involved with the thread, but you think she should at least unvote. I don't think her vote is doing any damage where it is and she is still inactive.
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And I don't understand what you mean about the holistic thing.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Does this mean you weren't wowed?
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I disagree that its iioa, i think that my posts clearly show how i came to read the people im reading the way that im reading them. The page breakdown was mostly for me to organize my own thoughts a little and then i would expand on what I read and how i read it at the bottom of each post.In post 382, Espeonage wrote:I will say that FF's catch up was eh at best, lots of IIoA inspires not huge confidence.
And to end it all with a full reads list, analysis of the current wagons and a vote to get current is a lot more content than you are making it out to be. If all i did were those page breakdowns then youd have a leg to stand on, but the fact that you dont even engage me on anything i posted during the catch up nor do you seem like you wanna talk about my vote or any of my reads, so I guess I question how much I care about your opinion when youve already made it up without any direct input from me.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I got a flatbread from walmart for dinner tonight. It is surprisingly good.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Great, I'm having Masquerade reminder induced PTSD, only difference is i dont have a pt with scum in it trying to go for a captured agency win this game.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Ceph im here if you wanna dance in real time?Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Do you have an issue with Dann tring Espy the way he did with no experience and no dive into current meta?In post 401, Auro wrote:
It's an appeal to experience, not authority. Esp *refused* to take a look at my town games where there's clear evidence against his reason for the scumread, whereas people who played with me have it.In post 399, Cephrir wrote:Oh, no! This appeal to authority completely destroys my suspicions. I guess people who haven't played with someone before aren't capable of reading that person.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Thats true, and fair.In post 403, Auro wrote:Didn't dann say he was just "kick-starting" the game by throwing out such a townread?
He said he's going to post soon, let's see if the read sticks.
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Cool, what do you wanna talk about?In post 406, Cephrir wrote:I've never been good at this but I guess I could try.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Well, yeah, unless you wanna try to talk me out of the tr i have on you. If you need to sort me still then you would need to figure out how I can help you do that.In post 410, Cephrir wrote:
Oh, I was supposed to provide the topic? Well, uhhhh we're somewhat aligned on reads so I'm not sure there are any that need hashing out. I guess you could give me some more words on wgeurts town? is it just similarity to your thought process or is there something else? i had no read on that slot and i feel like i should inspect it based on team feedback.In post 407, Formerfish wrote:
Cool, what do you wanna talk about?In post 406, Cephrir wrote:I've never been good at this but I guess I could try.
Geurt was an initial tr because his posts felt like the could have been written by myself for the most part, its a gut read based off that mind meld. I wish he had kept it up, looking back I see that he hasnt posted in like 5 days, so reading the thread all at once doesnt show that gap. Knowing he gained initial trs from those posts but then completely dropped off the face of the earth makes me wonder if he was scum towning it up for enough cred to coast on or if he is dead irl town.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I looked back over his iso and actually found it a bit lacking in isolation. What pinged me especially was when he had a post saying:In post 414, Cephrir wrote:OK, sure. I probably tend to give townreads for the same reason sometimes even though I'm not really sure it's actually valid. I'll just look forward to hearing more from him I guess!
See I told you I was bad at this! realtime interaction should be really helpful, but I just feel put on the spot!
I guess I remember one thing I used to do in fast paced IRC games. What's your favorite season, fishy?
Then chastised Auro for saying he picked this game because he thought he'd be a little lower key (hint: it totally is, Theme is 54 pages, normal is 82, open is 88, and the large is only at 95. We have 17 pages), so it turns out that Auro was right, and I think hes the highest poster, so the warning from Geurts seems a little silly now that we know what we know about the posting people have done.In post 177, wgeurts wrote:Reading up, been mildly jetlagged as I flew to Australia a few days ago. Expect much more from me.
Especially when Geurts makes a later post about traveling again and that was one of his last posts.
And its cool man, i do better in figuring people out by talking to them in real time because they have less time to try and figure out angels and you get more honest answers. If you hunt differently, then do you.
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I dont understand what you mean, but im not too concerned by it.In post 421, Cephrir wrote:
without giving away the game, this qualifies as a town answer, but the whole game probably works much better in a chatroomIn post 417, Formerfish wrote:I like fall a lot. There more things for me and my daughter to do and there are holidays that we are starting our own traditions for so its cool.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Bolded- talk to me about this later, this seems interesting.In post 426, Cephrir wrote:i'll explain anyway. this is a technique ive seen used in chat mafia, primarily in kingmaker setups where player x is making a decision alone. x asks every player a seemingly irrelevant question andlooks for certain things in their answer.
it probably doesn't work without the pressure of knowingyou live or die based on the answertoo, huh. oh well, it's fun.
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Auro and Geurts pretty much.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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In post 417, Formerfish wrote:
I looked back over his iso and actually found it a bit lacking in isolation. What pinged me especially was when he had a post saying:In post 414, Cephrir wrote:OK, sure. I probably tend to give townreads for the same reason sometimes even though I'm not really sure it's actually valid. I'll just look forward to hearing more from him I guess!
See I told you I was bad at this! realtime interaction should be really helpful, but I just feel put on the spot!
I guess I remember one thing I used to do in fast paced IRC games. What's your favorite season, fishy?
Then chastised Auro for saying he picked this game because he thought he'd be a little lower key (hint: it totally is, Theme is 54 pages, normal is 82, open is 88, and the large is only at 95. We have 17 pages), so it turns out that Auro was right, and I think hes the highest poster, so the warning from Geurts seems a little silly now that we know what we know about the posting people have done.In post 177, wgeurts wrote:Reading up, been mildly jetlagged as I flew to Australia a few days ago. Expect much more from me.
Especially when Geurts makes a later post about traveling again and that was one of his last posts.
And its cool man, i do better in figuring people out by talking to them in real time because they have less time to try and figure out angels and you get more honest answers. If you hunt differently, then do you.
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You are saying that it shouldnt be a scum read because you do the same thing as town sometimes right?In post 433, Auro wrote:Yes, I'm saying it's null, and therefore not a reason to scumread me.
For that to be true then you have to do it sometimes as scum. So maybe thats just what we have here, one of the times you are doing it as scum and you are trying to excuse it by saying you also do it as town so scum reading you is bad.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I think i did, something about why you would listen to anything NSG has said.In post 438, Dannflor wrote:
Also one of the reasons I was very surprised to see NSG put wgeurts in her town block and why I questioned that. I think I saw you were asking me about that, FF?In post 437, Dannflor wrote:I see. I didn't like picking at Auro for that especially given that I (and seemingly many others put in this game) don't have the most time in the world. That doesn't mean we still can't give it our all. It's scummy in that it's a very non-game related way to push someone but I need to see more from that slot in general.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Do we have all 3 people who held Gent 2s slot in this game?In post 441, Espeonage wrote:Dann, I was the original gentleman 2.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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uhhh... why?In post 447, Espeonage wrote:
I fucking hope not.In post 446, Formerfish wrote:
Do we have all 3 people who held Gent 2s slot in this game?In post 441, Espeonage wrote:Dann, I was the original gentleman 2.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I wasnt thinking about who was on her team and how prolific RC might be in their thread. I guess it makes more sense to me now why you were asking.In post 444, Dannflor wrote:
I really respect her reads and by extension RC's reads. If someone I know to be a good player is town reading someone, I want to know why. Regardless of whether they're towny or scummy within the specific game.In post 440, Formerfish wrote:
I think i did, something about why you would listen to anything NSG has said.In post 438, Dannflor wrote:
Also one of the reasons I was very surprised to see NSG put wgeurts in her town block and why I questioned that. I think I saw you were asking me about that, FF?In post 437, Dannflor wrote:I see. I didn't like picking at Auro for that especially given that I (and seemingly many others put in this game) don't have the most time in the world. That doesn't mean we still can't give it our all. It's scummy in that it's a very non-game related way to push someone but I need to see more from that slot in general.
I mean I ask my scum reads about their reads a lot too, so I'm not sure why you assume I'd want to ignore NSG either way.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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You talking about the guy who finished the game and won it for town?In post 451, Espeonage wrote:Bc someone came in after me, was a complete dick to people who don't deserve it, and was an all around arsehole.
Dunno who it was during that period though.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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I started in Masq in post 821 and finished the game as G2.In post 456, Espeonage wrote:
noIn post 455, Formerfish wrote:
You talking about the guy who finished the game and won it for town?In post 451, Espeonage wrote:Bc someone came in after me, was a complete dick to people who don't deserve it, and was an all around arsehole.
Dunno who it was during that period though.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Who do you have a good grasp on? Are you caught up fully?In post 459, Dannflor wrote:Haven't read them in detail yet.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Also, if you werent scumreading Ceph, whyd you vote him?In post 459, Dannflor wrote:I haven't scum read Ceph at all this game—yeah I know I voted him
I noticed you said you were reading now, ill shut up.Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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Ceph i see as town, and im pretty confident in that read. Espy is a townlean with a good lean. I know youre having issues with them, but is it just the recent spat between you 3 or is there more to it?In post 462, Auro wrote:FF can you tell me where you stand on Ceph/Esp now?Show"Getting lost in the details of nothing..."
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