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Oh, also, UNVOTE: I read Ceejay's posts, saw that I had no way to really know what alignment this was and took a shot at getting my coveted town role.
Now that I know that I'm for realz townz, I'm actually going to read after work tonight.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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While I understand the concept that you would like to avoid a town lynch on day 1, it is objectively better for town to lynch a town player than to no lynch. There's math somewhere in mafia discussion, but, let's be honest, I don't have the link after my extended sabbatical, and I don't feel like looking it up.In post 127, Nineja wrote:
because I feel this is a scum lynching an easy day 1 lynch so Moony is probably town, I'm not saying he can't be scum, but this lynch looks a little too sus for me it just feels like atleast 1 scum is on this lynch. To answer your 2nd post (mobile sucks so i cant quote) GL can still be scum thats true however I personally find you 2 scummier and think the scum is more likely between you 2. I think GL should talk more though, would like more from them. I unlynched without lynching because I wanted to see your answer to my question first (about the JunkoChan read) before I lynched between you or GW.In post 125, the worst wrote:
What's making you think Moony might be town?In post 124, Nineja wrote:I think that moony might be town and 1 mafia is on the wagon pushing for an easy day 1 lynch GL is null to me rn so its 50/50 between Worst and GW.
I guess you can trust me or you can search.
Or not trust me and be objectively wrong.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Why is junko so high? And Nineja so low?In post 152, the worst wrote:{tw}
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You might have had reasoning underneath this, but I didn't read it.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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It has something to do with lowering the amount of votes needed for a lynch, because in setups like this where no vigilante exists, the only way to kill mafia is to lynch.In post 170, the worst wrote:I probably should have spoken up earlier yeah -- I agree entirely with brassherald.
These types of games (9p, one kill per day (lynch), one kill per night (mafia nightkill)), work perfectly on the assumption that we lynch each day. mislynching day one actually offers a higher chance of winning than not lynching d1, if I recall correctly. if you're interested I can crunch the numbers.
but it's somewhat beneficial for town to work in odd numbers (9p => lynch & nk => 7p => lynch & nk => 5p, etc.)I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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I at least now feel I can be more upset with GuiltyLion than you for allowing this RVS wagon to stand. (I'm kind of upset that both of you were still on this wagon until now)
I'm not sure I'm buying this, though, I would like to hear from moon's replacement so that I can sort that slot.
I'm not totally feeling Nineja as scum, though, and not fully on you as town, which distresses me.
That being said, I'm not fully a fan of the posturing in 127 of not really taking a stance on the moon slot, not sure if I'm thinking it's a newbie being unsure or a scum trying to keep all possible votes open. I'll think about it.
For now, VOTE: GuiltyLion out of pure emotion for him still being in RVS.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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By the way, not really sure this is AI on yellow.In post 147, GuiltyLion wrote:I was townreading YellowSnow until his push on GrandWazoo for saying "I know I'm town", that's a serious reach. town or scum can say that, there's nothing inherently AI in it either way, and the extra "preying on newer players bit" is serious spin-zone
I think early on, in a game about deceit, the natural reaction is to disbelieve someone making a claim of town alignment.
Townz, on the other hand, is the best alignment and should always be claimed. The Z makes it much better than just "town".I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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the worst wrote:for the record the posturing in 127 leading into the HARD TOWNREAD on a lurker slot in 162 is what's ringing my alarm bells. incidentally I think Nineja => GL interactions are more likely to be scum/scum than anything else I've spotted today.. The way he nullreads him and just... leaves him there is pinging
pedit: brass has the best-cut jib in the land.GrandWazoo wrote:Welcome Brass, I like the cut of your jib.
By the way thanks for all the jib talk, I'm not positive what jib is but I shouldn't be rude and not thank people for my jib compliments.In post 182, GrandWazoo wrote:Welcome Brass, I like the cut of your jib.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Not after Project Pinecone.
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I feel like this may have just been sarcastic frustration on his part. Sarcasm does not come across on the internet though.In post 203, JunkoChan wrote:My best argument for the case is on 131, you see, opposite to nineja's logic against me, the post I quoted from him has an emotional tone, a frustrating tone in fact, and then he twisted my words to post what should never be posted in any mafia game: "this person will townread you if you afk"
I can elaborate more on this if you need to but I think I would just be repeating myselfI've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Don't really have a few days... I mean, I guess we kind of do, but I don't want to wait a few days for someone to form reads when we are 3 days from night 1.In post 199, YyottaCat wrote:Sorry about being extremely late
need a few days to establish some kind of reads
For now I would go with what others are thinking
Let's do a quick exercise. You need to choose one person to lynch right now you are the only vote that counts. Who is it?I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Oh, I misread your prior post. But, I'd generally agree those are pretty decent guesses for a scum team.In post 222, JunkoChan wrote:
either GL or the worst imo what do you think?In post 221, brassherald wrote:So, let's say you are right about GW, who's his partner?
I had thought you said you couldn't see those.
I would get behind a GW lynch at this point, really not liking the push on an inactive slot.
Mind you, I don't like the inactive slot being here, but C'est la vie.
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Town case GW for me, let's see if you can bring me around to it. I'm not seeing towny too much from him.In post 225, the worst wrote:VOTE: Nineja
not feeling a GrandWazoo lynch. i think he's exhibited some pretty towny traits which Nineja is lacking.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Look, from what I have seen, we can lynch about 5 of the players for lack of real interest, right now I would prefer to take a measured risk against people I have a chance to read correctly and have more NKA and associatives to work with on Day 2 than lynch people uninvolved just for the sake of their being uninvolved.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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It's not indefinitely, but the first lynch and first night kill provide so much information, the lurkers won't be able to hide just because they aren't posting, but, I've always been an advocate for lynching people who are actively scummy rather than people who just don't post because they don't post.
I will not willingly remove my own agency by picking people who are solely chosen because they are not posting.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Well, it is good that you remember I just don't read walls lol.In post 266, the worst wrote:the thought "i am so sorry brass" literally crossed my mind while i was writing it.
i just felt i hadn't really shared my thought process enough to be questioning people who are pushing other scumreads than mine :{I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Weird flex, but okayIn post 291, GrandWazoo wrote:Not that it'll help, since town has played terribly and is being openly taunted by scum.
@mod If nineja and Guilty Lion both get replaced out since they were prodded already and have not posted, do we get a time extension? I do not remember the newbie rules and cannot be bothered to read themI've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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UNVOTE:
For now. I'm going to be active enough that I can contribute to the lynch as the deadline bears down on us. Last minute Day 1 lynches are not uncommon, but I would like to prevent a quickhammer when two players have been away for two days.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Okay, it looks like a GW lynch is not happening, just being pragmatic, I think YellowSnow would be a very acceptable lynch, and I do think that Nineja lynch could hit as well at this point, there have been good arguments made about Nineja.
VOTE: Nineja
L-1 here. Not sold on it, but I think this is the only realistic lynch occurring today.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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PRs exist.In post 316, JunkoChan wrote:
ANd you say that because? (the reasoning is correct) but... why?In post 315, brassherald wrote:Quickhammering right now is a scum claim, by the way.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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And no one is above suspicion. So, every one is scum in my book until they prove otherwise.In post 353, Junk wrote:
There are 7 town from 9 players, buddyIn post 351, brassherald wrote:Junk has town slotted so many people...
I don't trust this many town reads but I can't say its not just play that disagrees with mine.
But, like this catch up is so bad.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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This reads like a homework assignment, you saw you had to find 7 townies and barely justify it, so that's what you did.In post 360, Junk wrote:
What is bad about itIn post 359, brassherald wrote:
And no one is above suspicion. So, every one is scum in my book until they prove otherwise.In post 353, Junk wrote:
There are 7 town from 9 players, buddyIn post 351, brassherald wrote:Junk has town slotted so many people...
I don't trust this many town reads but I can't say its not just play that disagrees with mine.
But, like this catch up is so bad.
I disagree, I think that's your subjective opinion
And the OBJECTIVE truth is that: you are bad, buddy
And you have read basically nothing from me, and you're attacking me?
No, this is a bad catch up, its either fake, or you really are deluded enough to think you can game solve day 1.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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You should hang out with my ex, she also didn't like when people say what they think.In post 364, Junk wrote:
Well that's pretty rudeIn post 363, brassherald wrote:or you really are deluded enough to think you can game solve day 1.
You seem like an unpleasant personI've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Look, you seem to be super confrontational anytime someone doesn't agree with you, maybe just take it down a notch or seven.In post 380, Junk wrote:Nope
My response to you was fair
You should have said "I dont see anything alignment indicative in your posts". Thats neutral and fair
Stating "there is nothing alignment indicative in your posts" is basically calling me bad
Bro, im pretty sure you go nowhere with an attitude of shifting blame onto others
Legitimately, you are fighting because duck didn't just say "It is my opinion that your posts are not alignment indicative."
There is nothing that says anyone has to be neutral and fair, and I might be grumpy most of the time, but I have no reason to be nice to someone who is coming in hot like this.
I still think your catch up seems fake, and I am not going to pull back on that. It's lots of information, very bare bones analysis, and I'm not liking this as a town slot at this point.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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So far, two people have disagreed with you. You have been rude to those two people because you didn't feel they were being polite enough to you?In post 385, Junk wrote:
Im not rude to people who disagree with meIn post 384, brassherald wrote:
Look, you seem to be super confrontational anytime someone doesn't agree with you, maybe just take it down a notch or seven.In post 380, Junk wrote:Nope
My response to you was fair
You should have said "I dont see anything alignment indicative in your posts". Thats neutral and fair
Stating "there is nothing alignment indicative in your posts" is basically calling me bad
Bro, im pretty sure you go nowhere with an attitude of shifting blame onto others
Legitimately, you are fighting because duck didn't just say "It is my opinion that your posts are not alignment indicative."
There is nothing that says anyone has to be neutral and fair, and I might be grumpy most of the time, but I have no reason to be nice to someone who is coming in hot like this.
I still think your catch up seems fake, and I am not going to pull back on that. It's lots of information, very bare bones analysis, and I'm not liking this as a town slot at this point.
Why would I? That sounds pretty silly
I like to be fair and equally rude to those who are rude first
I said you were handing out lots of town reads and you immediately insulted me. Protip, sarcastically calling someone "buddy" is insulting.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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What a surprise, another two town reads, you've narrowed the two person scum team to one person.
I'm on the same page.In post 397, the worst wrote:I'm going to to check out for now because this conversation is getting closer to personally offensive than productive. some other people can check in. bye Junk.
(as a side note: @brass which weezer song is best? Say it Ain't Gnome or My Name is Gnomas?)
Also, The Greatest Gnome That Ever Lived would get my vote.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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I believe so.In post 402, JunkoChan wrote:is he at L-1?I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Oh, you're right, it's 5 to lynch today, not 4... Math hard.In post 404, JunkoChan wrote:he is not, he got 2 votes on him for what I can see (I'm trusting last northsidegal's vote count)I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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GL is better than flailing at scum. He totally slipped under everyone's radar in the last game I saw him as scum.
I'm more interested in computer fan. This whole nationstar or whatever thing is tiresome and I think it is now appropriate to seek thoughts or rope.
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Remember that there is day chat for mafia in this set up so interactions can be scripted, for lack of a better word. That being said, I don't think GL is this sloppy as scum, still. He's super careful when I've seen him as scum in the past.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Okay, just wanted to make sure you were taking it into account.In post 546, Junk wrote:
Yea they can be, but that just looks like genuine sass to me.In post 544, brassherald wrote:Remember that there is day chat for mafia in this set up so interactions can be scripted, for lack of a better word. That being said, I don't think GL is this sloppy as scum, still. He's super careful when I've seen him as scum in the past.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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You cannot call yourself an obvious townie. You cannot objectively evaluate your own posting.In post 552, Junk wrote:
Fun factIn post 551, brassherald wrote:Fun fact, in this set up Town Doctor is the best scum claim since only a Town Doctor can CC.
You were vote parking an obvious townie, and you still suspect him post-claim
Play better bro :shrug:I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Vacation Limited Access generally means less posting.In post 576, GrandWazoo wrote:So what exactly does V/LA mean when you're still posting? These all appearedafterYyotta supposedly went V/LA.
In post 257, YyottaCat wrote:Also the reason I'm V/LA is I'm trying to read the entirety of The Bee Movie script for no reasonIn post 283, YyottaCat wrote:Soshould I just be inactive and wait at hell or should I be active
I hope I get better luck this time (last time I replaced I was immediately lynched)In post 284, YyottaCat wrote:10% of idea of what the fuck is going on
I mean this horseshit is bad enough under normal circumstances, but to do it when you're supposedly out of commission is like active lurking on steroids.In post 294, YyottaCat wrote:So GW is saying some scum is desperately making us thinking GW is scum
As a side note, I generally just make the prod timer 1.5x the normal when someone is V/LA and I am modding, some people may be more forgiving than I am. I do not recall how the newbie game rules handle VLA, but it absolutely does not mean you should never post, nor does it excuse you from posting all together.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Well, it shouldn't be used to avoid scrutiny, in fact, if you believe you are going to be VLA or similar for too long, it should be encouraged for you to actually just drop from a game.In post 578, GrandWazoo wrote:
OK but what's to keep a player from using it as a Get Out Of Jail Free card or just to avoid scrutiny? Especially when said player posts moreIn post 577, brassherald wrote:Vacation Limited Access generally means less posting.
As a side note, I generally just make the prod timer 1.5x the normal when someone is V/LA and I am modding, some people may be more forgiving than I am. I do not recall how the newbie game rules handle VLA, but it absolutely does not mean you should never post, nor does it excuse you from posting all together.aftergoing V/LA than before.
I cannot speak to other mods' views, but if someone was to be VLA for what looked like the entirety of one of my games, I'd just replace them. Yyotta pretty much got in and immediately went VLA, which I also don't like from a general games point of view, but I can't say if this is more posting from before the VLA because I haven't seen a before VLA.
I would hope to hear more from the slot on Day 2. That's really all I can say at this point, I feel there have been actively scummy slots that still take precedent, but, I would hope that there would be some imperative for a low posting slot to engage day 2 if they are town.
I say day 2 because I'm pretty sure Junk lolhammered,I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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I don't see anything like breadcrumbing in the worst's ISO, though maybe postgame he'll point out where I'm wrong. However, here's what I'm thinking.
First of all, I wanted to see if you'd fake claim healing someone because you'd possibly forget that there's supposed to be an RB if you were lying about being doctor. You didn't so I see no reason to doubt the claim at this point. I am slow to trust, but, eventually, I get there when it's deserved.
More on point, the worst was the IC and did not seem to tip off his role at all, so, there's actually two possibilities why he was the target last night rather than anyone else. The first is, he was on the right path with Moony slot and Guilty Lion.
The second would actually pretty much absolve Guilty Lion. I have not crunched the numbers, but, I believe the town IC is the most likely night kill for a two newbscum team. So, I think Moonyslot, who would be implicated in both situations might be the best lynch.
I've got to look at GL's recent games to see if he takes that shot, since if he's scum, he's probably calling the shots. I'll do that tomorrow night. GL, want to be a bud and link some recent scum games to possibly clear your name?I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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I really don't want to rush this day phase.In post 605, Junk wrote: Please try to die as soon as possible, scum.
I want to gather more information after an interesting Night Kill.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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Only way he suspects it is if the worst dropped hints. I looked for it and did not see any crumbing.In post 606, Junk wrote:
That could be it, yes.In post 604, brassherald wrote:I don't see anything like breadcrumbing in the worst's ISO, though maybe postgame he'll point out where I'm wrong. However, here's what I'm thinking.
First of all, I wanted to see if you'd fake claim healing someone because you'd possibly forget that there's supposed to be an RB if you were lying about being doctor. You didn't so I see no reason to doubt the claim at this point. I am slow to trust, but, eventually, I get there when it's deserved.
More on point, the worst was the IC and did not seem to tip off his role at all, so, there's actually two possibilities why he was the target last night rather than anyone else. The first is, he was on the right path with Moony slot and Guilty Lion.
The second would actually pretty much absolve Guilty Lion. I have not crunched the numbers, but, I believe the town IC is the most likely night kill for a two newbscum team. So, I think Moonyslot, who would be implicated in both situations might be the best lynch.
I've got to look at GL's recent games to see if he takes that shot, since if he's scum, he's probably calling the shots. I'll do that tomorrow night. GL, want to be a bud and link some recent scum games to possibly clear your name?
YellowSnow does look like a good player, though. Scum!him could probably catch the worst as the cop? I don't know.
I know for myself that I didn't think the worst was the cop, he was just the most obvious heal target. I was 99% sure I'm dying night 1.
Did the worst explain crumbing? If anyone is confused by that term, I can explain, by the way.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.-
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I need some time to really analyze who's playing and considering who takes the NK. Ideally, I'd like to have a day 2 gamesolve.In post 635, GuiltyLion wrote:brass maybe, some of his posts today feel a little LAMISTY like 604 (if scum decide not to CC the doc then this kinda looks like what I'd expect to try to get towncred for 'authentically' townreading the doc) and 607. brass what "information" are you looking to get out of today in particular?
First step is that tonight when I finally can sit down and read, I review the thread and see what happened. Put the pieces I now know in place and see what comes of them. Second, I need to look into the games you linked for your scum since I really don't know that you, in particular, take that shot at the worst.
And just for the record on not believing doc claims as town, I think you might have been in the game where I as VT tunneled, I want to say UCVoyager, who was town doctor, even after his claim. I don't just automatically believe a PR claim because in my very first game on site, the mafia had a PR claim which was not CCed and we mislynched town due to it. I trusted it without question that game, and I don't ever want to do that again.I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.