Same
Large Normal 246: Game Over
-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
It's one of those games I guess
VOTE: nonoP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
As in several millersP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one gameP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
I was confused by the VC as well but it looks like Jingle put my first vote onto nono, striked it out to indicate I moved my vote, and put my current vote on Guillotina. I have a vote
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
It does help when trying to do VCA off the mod ISO alone. Otherwise if you want to be thorough sometimes you need to make your own intermediary ones to see what happened in between VCs if they were especially far apart
pedit: I'm a miller so I don't feel like voting millers lmaoP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
ur mom @kawaiiP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Think Elements in 46(or 45, fucking 0 index arrays on post number but 1 indexed in quote tags for some reason? Thanks BBCode)is saying the inner quote in 28 has no relevance so it was snipped. Then asking does anyone else think it's scum-indicative when someone isn't voting
Elements doesn't assert it's scum-indicative, just asksP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Oh yeah that should be obvious, I misread the questionIn post 92, KawaiiKame wrote:
"does anyone else think"In post 89, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Think Elements in 46(or 45, fucking 0 index arrays on post number but 1 indexed in quote tags for some reason? Thanks BBCode)is saying the inner quote in 28 has no relevance so it was snipped. Then asking does anyone else think it's scum-indicative when someone isn't voting
Elements doesn't assert it's scum-indicative, just asks
Asking if anyone else thinks something implies they also think the same thing, she's asking if anyone else shares her thoughts
Least that's how I'm interpreting the questionP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
No bloop for youP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Or the mafia have a cop and by claiming miller we bring it to everyone's attention there might be a traitorIn post 109, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’m less inclined to vote a miller specifically because there’s more than one miller claim, it suggests that an investigative exists that can clear millers imo.In post 91, KawaiiKame wrote:
Slight chance mafia fakeclaims millerIn post 84, TimmerRC wrote: It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafiaP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Oh very smart, Dunn is town because he got to the thread first, I seeIn post 113, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafiaIn post 99, Black wrote: I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum
VOTE: ssbm_KyoukoP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
When I saw Dunn had already claimed Miller I was briefly inclined not to claim even though before opening the daystart PM I was planning to claim.
I decided against that though, I dont see how hiding it does any good. If it's a traitor game with a Mafia Cop it helps them find the traitor but also makes town wary of a traitor early.
If it's not a traitor game, town cops dont waste investigations and I'll be judged on my day play and not on my claim. I'm more than fine with that outcome.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Are you an Enchant alt btw?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
In post 40, Elements wrote:
I got dave and Dunn confusedIn post 40, Elements wrote:
If Dunn is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitorIn post 39, KawaiiKame wrote:
VOTE: DuunstralIn post 36, Elements wrote: Anyone want to start a wagon?
Voting the miller
But for now I think Dunn's town
I can VOTE: dunn@Elements- When you say you got dave and Dunn confused, how were they confused? Were you meaning to say "But for now I think Dave's town"?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
so you thought all of dave's and dunn's posts were from the same slot, presumably dave's slot because you say you had a read on him before that post. Which means you thoughtdavesazhad claimed miller and you could see that claim coming from a neighbor traitor who for now you thought was actually just town.
Is this right so far? Or did you only confuse Dunn's 29 in this quote block and think that dave was replying to himself (to add on more commentary to his original question):In post 32, davesaz wrote:
Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?In post 29, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably townP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
To be clear I've edited the names, Kawaii did not vote dave.In post 39, Elements wrote:
If dave is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitorIn post 39, KawaiiKame wrote:
VOTE: davesazIn post 36, Elements wrote: Anyone want to start a wagon?
Voting the miller
But for now I think dave's town
Elements, is this name-edited post representative
of the state of your mind when you made 39, then you realized on rereading that dave wasnt the miller claim and you decided to vote Dunnstral in 40?
If not, could you quote and edit 39 with the names as you think they were in your head when you made 39?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
I dont love that my questioning got hijacked because I'm not trying to frustrate you elements, I was rereading and 39/40 threw me off, trying to comprehend
Pedit: I think this answers that maybe?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Specifically what I'm trying to comprehend is who did you townread in 39, so I can look back at that player and figure out why you were TRing them at that point. If I cant figure that out I plan to come back to you about it. And if it was Dunnstral you TRed in 39, I'm wondering how you got from TR in 39 to voting him for miller claim in 40P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
And trying to get a read on you because I know this hyperposting vote-hopping from you so far is NAI after the meta-diving I did in Alianna's 9:12 Open we just finishedto what endP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Yeah it's all clear now.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.
Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.In post 167, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How exactly?In post 165, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.
Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Not so much no, I think scum!Gamma advances toward what is convenient without pushing it that way herselfP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Idk if it makes sense for her to be doing that this early on D1 in a large though. Like there are 17 people here and some haven't posted yet. I don't understand why scum!Gamma would want to pressure Elements specifically. Maybe it makes sense if she is over-eager to distance from scum!elements but that feels like a reachP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
yes, someone else (me) finds a direction and scum!Gamma is there to support that direction if it is convenient for her, imoIn post 193, KawaiiKame wrote: Do you mean letting someone else advance it and push it along?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
VOTE: CeleblokiIn post 217, Celebloki wrote: I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
No bloop for youP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Well most of the players in this gamearetown...P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
The classic scumscum where scum says scum instead of slip
I mean timeP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Chrono TriggerIn post 273, Guillotina wrote:
Who are you?In post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one gameP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Black is town I think. I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this. I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont knowIn post 384, Black wrote: VOTE: Guillotina
I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko
Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read
In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different
I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards TimmerwhyBlack is/was voting me.
I think Guillotina's play can be interpreted the way Black has done, as performative, but I'll also say that this game's Guillotina feels a far cry from Chrono Trigger where I did correctly identify them as scum on D1 and they led a mislim on me that Day. I've only played with Guillotina once and that's how it went so I am being vigilant.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
This was scum!Guillotina's defense in CTC iircIn post 443, Guillotina wrote:
Agreed, Black is obvious town in my opinion.In post 428, Hu Tao wrote: Black could be town here. Never seen her as scum before but she seems townyThey suspect me based on my playstyle which is what town usually do.
If they townread me right away that'd be a read flag.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
It feels strange to me that nobody else took issue with this for the same reason I did. Guillotina voted here but not for the same reason.In post 249, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
VOTE: CeleblokiIn post 217, Celebloki wrote: I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.
The issue I have with this post is it reveals that Celebloki wanted a 'safe' RVS vote. Who but scum wants that?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"
If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.
He slipped imoP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Also Elements you should reread my ISO up to your 404 and get back to me on your interpretation. You might need to open some of the posts that don't have quotes to see the actual context.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
What's the basis of scum!Dunn?In post 479, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:In post 438, Celebloki wrote: UNVOTE:
At this point I can say I heavily town read RN, at least until I develop a different meta for him.Don't you have any scumreads though?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Nono, no. No reason I mean.In post 508, Celebloki wrote:In post 468, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"
If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.
He slipped imo
I always have a reason for a vote, even in RVS. It can sometimes be just because I think their name is silly, because of a previous game with that person, or any other random reason. Are you saying all townies always truly randomly vote in RVS? You had no reason to vote Nono or guillotina at the start?
Guillotina, yes. For that one time he was scum (that I found on D1 who then turned it around on me and got me mislimmed D1) in that one game (Chrono Trigger Chronicles: The Rise of Yakra).
I don't think townies truly "randomly" vote, no. For me I was just looking through the player list and the name caught my eye so I voted nono. Then I stopped looking at the playerlist and got back to reading the game. Later on I looked at the full playerlist and recognized Guillotina and I did have a reason for that vote.
I dont think the problem is that your vote wasnt random, I dont think town is always going to open up a random number generator and pick someone. The reason you had I think is scum-indicative. If you think RN isn't going to join the game, why vote there (rhetorical)? You'll never get a reaction that way and I think as town (the royal) you would want to avoid that kind of vote that does nothing when they could make a different one that might produce something.
That's why I moved my vote from Nono to Guillotina, because with Nono it was just a vote for whomever, not that likely to get attention, but I did get Guillotina's attention when he started readingP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
TownIn post 603, TimmerRC wrote:
I trimmed down that post, but... like, I'm sorry, was all of those posts, all of those association link things really just to basically say that you are town? The overall gist seems to be that you aren't mafia because if you were, you mentioned your teammates a lot?In post 595, Guillotina wrote:Summary
I can confirm that Guillo is not scum, so we are not living in a perfect world where town auto this shit.
Hopefully this injects my thoughts and process in the thread and I have helped you determine whether I deserve the sussuspicion I've gotten so far or not, as well as some insights about the interactions between some of the players.
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Nice I got 13In post 606, Random Nurse wrote:Position Players Town-read- Town-lean- Null-town- NullGamma Emerald, Celebloki, Naerys, davesaz, Hu Tao, Broccoli Quest 2, Guillotina, Cat Scratch Fever, Keyleth, Dunnstral, KawaiiKame, ssbm_Kyouko, TimmerRC, Elements, Andresvmb, Black Null-scum- Scum-lean- Scum-read-
ID Username Pronouns Status Claim Flip 01 Gamma Emeraldshe/it Alive— — 02 Random Nursehe/him Alive— — 03 Celeblokihe/him Alive— — 04 NaerysShe Alive— — 05 davesaz? Alive— — 06 Hu Taothey/she Alive— — 07 Broccoli Quest 2they Alive— — 08 Guillotina? Alive— — 09 Cat Scratch Fevershe/her Alive— — 10 Keylethshe/her Alive— — 11 Dunnstralhe/him Alive— — 12 KawaiiKame? Alive— — 13 ssbm_Kyouko/b]she/her Alive— — 14 TimmerRChe/him Alive— — 15 Elementsthey/she/it Alive— — 16 Andresvmbhe/him Alive— — 17 Blackshe/her Alive— — P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
So I got 13 twice then
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
I'm getting concerned about dave tbhP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
640 bothered me because it was so "mediator-ish" without really adding anything thoughtful. I think we could all see both sides, even if personally we would agree with Gamma or with BQ2: Electric Boogaloo. I don't think it's hard to see that Gamma felt the behavior was manipulative and also that BQ2 did not mean it in that way (or at least says he didn't, which feeds more into it feeling manipulative to Gamma)
And it felt like he had not posted in a while so I went back to see when he posted last and what happened.
So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.
And I didnt remember dave posting recently so I thought "hmm, I'm going to go back and check what has happened between 640 and the last time dave posted because that seems like a scummy "I'm not lurking" post to me. So I did... and while checking when he last posted I read Dave's ISO. It's mostly shading Keyleth, but not trying to start any pressure directly on her.
I think dave is slitherin' rn
VOTE: davesazP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Also Gamma feels like town here after that argument with BQ2. Could be TvT, but BQ2 is gimmicking so it's naturally harder to read his side of thingsP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Like if he wasn't gimmicking I'm inclined to say that's TVTP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
No bloopsP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Not necessarily all of them no; I think it's expected that there will be people that have gripes with your playstyle. I just think Dave's gripes are coming from scum though - not to say he wouldn't feel the same about your play as town, but he isn't doing anything about it, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much of anything else either. His one thing is that your playstyle is easy to fake as scum, but he's not otherwise making pushes elsewhere or on you. Feels like that's his "I'm doing something" and it's a safe "something" to do as well because your playstyle is easy to fake as scumP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Like it's not a bold or revolutionary take. Very safe, middle of the pack, etc.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
By "it" you mean your posting about Keyleth? or Keyleth's playstyle? Both?In post 683, davesaz wrote:
I'm seeing who goes apeshit one way or the other and who ignoresIn post 677, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not necessarily all of them no; I think it's expected that there will be people that have gripes with your playstyle. I just think Dave's gripes are coming from scum though - not to say he wouldn't feel the same about your play as town, but he isn't doing anything about it, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much of anything else either. His one thing is that your playstyle is easy to fake as scum, but he's not otherwise making pushes elsewhere or on you. Feels like that's his "I'm doing something" and it's a safe "something" to do as well because your playstyle is easy to fake as scumit. The actual material to read people from on d1 is always thin, and this game is no exception.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
61 - Timmer said he comes from a site where claiming is not allowed and was not upset but confused I think? Actually this is unfair of me given the last bit of 61 -In post 680, Andresvmb wrote: I did have some early thoughts I wrote down around the time I made my vote, but again I don’t think these are super reliable. In any event, they are as follows:
61 - TimmerRC is probably just Town. Getting a tad upset at a VT claim probably comes from a place of someone who wants the Town to win (which explains the annoyance with a claim that would, if serious, hurt the Town). I see that it was later clarified that it was a serious claim - I thought it had to be a joke, and don’t view it positively either.
67 - This is a Scummy post from KawaiiKame. TimmerRC didn’t call it weird. They didn’t even really imply it was coming from Scum. They simply seemed to question the logic behind making the claim at all.
105 - I agree with the logic here.
117 - This is Town posting by Black.
120 - I don’t know if Town is likely to give out this defense. I am leaning negative on Dunnstral.
137 - This just feels like a bad vote to me.
213 - I am not getting the vibes expressed by Hu Tao, which is why I have negative thoughts (I don’t believe the attack).
67 - Kawaii didn't say Timmer called it weird - Kawaii was himself calling it weird, and was replying to Timmer's post but was adding more commentary on the Hu Tao VT claim.so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.
120 - Dunn isn't really defending anything here unless you want to say he's defending KawaiiKamefromGamma - that's a reference to his earlier post (113) questioning how believable Elements' 40 was.
I thought you misread/misconstrued the 3 posts you had the most "meaty" commentary on but it seems like it was 2 of the 3 actually. Not the happiest with this catch-upP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meant my wagon that you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate on my wagon so early on D1.In post 688, Black wrote:
Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think.I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
In post 690, Black wrote: Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?Spoiler: case highlighted in colorP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
By "their wagon" I meant the wagon you were pushing on me. I called it "yours" because you were pushing it but normally a third party would call it "the wagon on ssbm_Kyouko" if they were being very specific. I don't think scum does what you did, therefore I think you are not scum, leaving you as townIn post 695, Black wrote:
I guess I didn't really understand that line you bolded. I still don't.In post 694, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meantIn post 688, Black wrote:
Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think.I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.my wagonthat you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate onmy wagonso early on D1.What are you referring to as "my wagon" hereP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Oh, going back to read it now since I was wondering why you were confused about that, I think you were actually wagonning Guillotina at the time so it would be the wagon on Guillotina I was referring to. I made 465 when I read 384 - you were voting me before Guillo and I think that's why when remembering back now I thought I was referring to your vote/wagon on meP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
no bloops for youP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
Wait I am so confused now - why would you snip my original quote out of 465 lmaoP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
So yeah I was talking about the wagon on me - I think when you made 384 it was because you were stewing over a scumread on me (for reference your previous post was a vote on me) and when you saw Guillo move votes off of me you were so focused on me being scum that the immediate assumption is Guillo must also be my scumbuddy. I don't think scum is stewing over their fake scumreads which means you were at the time genuinely scumreading me which means you are town - at the very least towny enough for D1 in a 17p game. Not interested in eliminating you toDay.In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Black is town I think. I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this. I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont knowIn post 384, Black wrote: VOTE: Guillotina
I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyoukoI don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read
Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined.
In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different
I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards TimmerwhyBlack is/was voting me.
I think Guillotina's play can be interpreted the way Black has done, as performative, but I'll also say that this game's Guillotina feels a far cry from Chrono Trigger where I did correctly identify them as scum on D1 and they led a mislim on me that Day. I've only played with Guillotina once and that's how it went so I am being vigilant.
If "stewing over" is what is confusing, it's when you're silently thinking over something that bothers you, sort of implies getting heated about it as well - akin to cooking a stew (which cooks at a lower temp for a long time). I'm not sure if it's an idiom and I don't get the impression English is not your first language, so sorry if the confusion stemmed from that.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
I also like pagetops though so I'll take them when I see them - not going to intentionally hyperpost to or spam to take the pagetop, but when I finish my post and see it's 699 I'm 100% of the time going to take the pagetopIn post 703, davesaz wrote: You could have not done that and let me just get the natural. Plus is Elements even here rn?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
Falco Apologist | woo Magi-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
In post 712, Black wrote:In post 696, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 690, Black wrote: Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?Spoiler: case highlighted in color