Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Gimli]

Spoiler: kuzu's d1, posts to or about kyoko (spoiler: lots of WKing)

Millers ave to claim right away. its the way it works

My question (maybe just out of curiosity) is why would anyone choose to be miller

like whats, the other option that they actually discarded that was worse. That's why I actually have some considerations about believing the miller claim

this is probably the smartest approach anyone's had to the miller claim
and I am acknowledging that there are reason to pick it that were stated

alright

I don't decide when RVS ends but having actual votes is better than RVS votes

that being said, it's too early for me to provide a lead rist because Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu has not posted yet

why would you need all slots to post once to provide a read list?

can't it be with everyone and them at null? It kinda makes no sense

this is also well said

VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

this feels disingenuous
I think Kyoko makes good points, and aside from that consistent pressure in this scenario I think is actually town-indicating.

locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

My discard was vanilla town.

I know...

super important and most damning information right there but yes overall I'm not sure if its a good idea to claim discards either.

Do we know why they are almost all discarded anyway? I didn't have time to do the setup spec yet

So you discarded Vanilla Townie role?

I fail to see how that was unclear from what Kyoko had already said.

that's ALL there is about her on d1??? she makes good points according to kuzu, he defends her from people who suspect her, and all that.

comes d1, I think this was his first post:

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

where's the progression? how does that work? why is he suspecting her?

[Gimli]

*comes d2

the progression is wonky. now is there any town or scumhunting post kuzu made that anyone thought 'okay this is a townie player'? asking to whoever wants to interact with me on this scumread. sell me on kuzu's town, anyone, if you can. if not, let's flip it?

[Gimli]

oh okay I'm glad you're talking about haunted village. to @everyone check townie kuzu playing and eliminate him from this game cause the difference is so obvious: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90328&user_select%5B%5D=31886

[Gimli]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

don't just shade with no reason, if you're scumreading me say why you're doing so. 'dislike' doesn't mean anything. maybe you dislike the way I post or how I play the game. is that a scumread? idk cause 'dislike' isn't an alignment lean.

[Gimli]

@herta: have you read my posts about kuzu's progression on Kyoko, from defending her all d1 to openvoting her on d2? and never expanding on that scumread because kyoko started to roleplay being targeted with his ability so he started to push her for it (then dropped it).

[Gimli]

I think the implication is Herta finds us both scummy. Which is absolutely fine in my book.

I'm asking herta, but thank you for your opinion.

[Gimli]

I don't really know, Fuyuhiko. You seemingly kept pushing me without ever directly addressing my point as I recall and now you seem to think Gimli is scum, but I've seen scum!Gimli, and he made a lot less sense. He never explained anything. Here he looks like he's trying to rally the town around common causes. Like Kyoko 3p and voting for you.

But then you go and do things like calling out Kyoko for whatever she's doing in the exact same way that I think about the problem, so, rn I have no clue what is going on.

UNVOTE:

when have you seen me scum btw?

[Gimli]

I am shit in both alignments.

[Gimli]

you can WK kyoko all you want, but from liking a bunch of her posts on d1 you started d2 voting there. neither on d1 nor on d2 you seemed to have a sensible progression on her. right now, same deal, the progression doesn't work. with me as well it's pure OMGUSing now.

I'll never think you're town after this.

*comes d2

the progression is wonky. now is there any town or scumhunting post kuzu made that anyone thought 'okay this is a townie player'? asking to whoever wants to interact with me on this scumread. sell me on kuzu's town, anyone, if you can. if not, let's flip it?

These two ideas are diametrically opposed
If you truly believe I’m scum to the point of never changing your mind, the opinions of others should mean nothing to you.

I need the opinions of others to eliminate you from the game

[Gimli]

I wanna go watch MasterChef right now. Before I go, I leave you with this riddle: what if Gimli is the other Pirate

explorers doesn't count. everyone was scumreading me when I replaced in and I'd like to think I'm much better scum than that.

I'll say this, though: everything I'm doing this game has been pro-town so far.

and I'm sorry aisa I'm not a 3p I'm a townie.

also I'm starting to scumread herta.

[Gimli]

@herta: have you read my posts about kuzu's progression on Kyoko, from defending her all d1 to openvoting her on d2? and never expanding on that scumread because kyoko started to roleplay being targeted with his ability so he started to push her for it (then dropped it).

I really dislike, as in I don't like the tone of either of you.

Townies in general aren't all that consistent, so I don't think progression argument is all that alignment indicative. I didn't see anything wrong with what went down with kyoko.

I think this is a town fight really.

VOTE: herta
you're scumclaiming

[Gimli]

this

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

is heavily inconsistent with this

I think this is a town fight really.

[Gimli]

@kuzu: why did you say a protective should go to herta again?

[Gimli]

Doctor should be on Herta tonight.

what is this about? why?

[Gimli]

Are you seriously going to target everyone who defends me?

I hate to repeat myself so just that one time:

this

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

is heavily inconsistent with this

I think this is a town fight really.

Are you seriously going to target everyone who defends me?

and why do you call for protectives on herta?

[Gimli]

anyways your friendly neighbor captain kyoko kirigiry is about to sleep.

gnight kyoko o7

[Gimli]

Didn’t you just say dislike does not equal scumreading? How do those posts not fit given that?

and your pretty face interfered with my questioning to say herta was scumreading the both of us! hah.

she went from not committing to a read while 'heavily' disliking it to saying it's TvT. if she

heavily

dislikes both of our tones, how is her conclusion that it's a TvT? this is senseless.

[Gimli]

I wanted her to commit to a read because 'dislike' doesn't mean anything. I wanted her to say what she meant. she gave me the worst possible answer. can't you see that?

[Gimli]

I wanted her to commit to a read because 'dislike' doesn't mean anything. I wanted her to say what she meant. she gave me the worst possible answer. can't you see that?

When you're calling each other fuckers, yes, I dislike that tone immensely. There's no place for it here.

I was never even rude to him, let alone call him fucker. he did that to me and it's okay, I'm not upset. I'm calling him scum, I'm saying he is playing like scum. that's not offensive or anything.

[Gimli]

I think me and kuzu are playing inside what's acceptable in a mafia game and I think herta is doing scummy posturing here. I wanna see a single post I made all game that can be construed as something that 'there's no place' in a game of mafia. I'm calling you out herta, I wanna see how you can be so upset with my tone here.

[Gimli]

what

you're in this game?

[Gimli]

haha sweet ol gamma calling me a fucker

[Gimli]

2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.
4. The moderator takes the given non-town factions rolled and generates an alignment lineup (this may vary based on the factions chosen)
Ex ( 9 town, 3 Dark Creatures, 1 Aligner)
5. The moderator rolls from this thread to give each player two role cards. (If no role is in a post, treat as vanilla)
6 The moderator sends each player their alignment and their role cards (Partners and factional PTs are NOT given out at this time)
7 The player's then pick their desired role, publically discarding the other role.

it's very hard to understand what we actually have here. are we guaranteed to have at least 2 pirates? what does that mean wrt true groupscum? are they also a duo? are they 3? can we be playing a 8-3-2 setup?

[Gimli]

if the other pirate claimed, we'd diminish the likelihood of missing true groupscum. we are NOT interested in killing the pirates because they are meaningless to town's wincon. they can also pretty much serve as rolecops. we'll deal with potential problems wrt their claim when we get there.

so may the other pirate please stand up?

[Gimli]

do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.

[Gimli]

Faction Introduction:

Pirates

Pirates

have a factional Complex Combined Vanillaiser/ Role Cop action. (the target will lose all personal abilities and the

Pirate

performing their action will learn their role. This fails if used on a vanilla role.

Pirates

win when at least 1 player from each other alignment still alive in the game has been successfully plundered and at least one

Pirate

is alive.
A

Pirate

win causes all members of that faction to leave the game victorious and the rest of the game to continue.
Additional Info:
Cop: Maritime Cop
Godfather: Pirate Captain
Miller: Sailor
Mason: Coast Guard

Factional Concept by KittyTacky

(Note that since this post is a faction introduction it should be treated as "Vanilla" if rolled for a role.)

if the pirates have a factional vanillaiser/role cop, then they must certainly share a PT.

[Gimli]

do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.

Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

there's something wonky here. she said 'another 3p' she didn't say it was another pirate.

I think she has true groupscum equity rn. I'll mull this over.

[Gimli]

do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.

Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

there's something wonky here. she said 'another 3p' she didn't say it was another pirate.

I think she has true groupscum equity rn. I'll mull this over.

the thing is: there aren't more than 3 factions in the game. there are guaranteed 3 factions. 'another 3p', 'make whatever you want of the setup', those aren't saying she is not the only pirate. those are saying she is not the only third party (when she is not third party, she is benign groupscum allegedly). I think it's possible that she is lying because of that.

[Gimli]

NM/dr drew are my guesses for kyoko team mates fwiw.

[Gimli]

Sure Kyoko could be an evil 3p but I want to shoot groupscum.

She is literally claiming groupscum but sure take me townie points for pressuring her

[Gimli]

Ah well I'll let you get there

[Gimli]

Also, what is all this discussion about me being group scum?

I mean, the category in the setup is called Benign Groupscum...

I agree that this can be resolved later. I think it'll come out if you are lying about being a pirate, but for now I'm at least willing to work with claimed pirates. I assume you're willing to call your plunders once the hail lifts?

You’ll also note Marashu is in there; I honestly don’t see why he isn’t in the discussion as a possible suspect.

Part of why I volunteered to be pirate plunder on N3. There's a good chance I'll be NK'd, but even if scum decide to shoot for more active roles, then I'll be point A of effectively a parity cop, and if the pirates find scum and leave, that'll make it easy enough to resolve my slot. Plus, because I'll be out of shots, it won't be as disruptive to town as if they would plunder another town role.

I don't know. It might be Gimli? Or Herta? VOTE: Gimli

1) I'm not trying to kill kyoko
2) we have only got somewhere on D2 because I pressured wonky and weird things that happened itt.

I get being scumread by kuzu because I scumcase and voted them. By you I don't understand. I feel like I got us somewhere in the game. I saw you unvoted but even still, I don't understand what I did to be voted in the first place.

[Gimli]

True Groupscum in: Herta/aisa/drew/kuzu/KT?. Clear one ftw?

I am townreading Aisa but she has bad associatives with the true groupscum POE. Kuzu also, asking protectives on Herta etc. The rest of the game seems like is all town apart from the pirates.

Pirates kyoko/NM?

[Gimli]

did you even read my posts

Do you confirm Doctor Drew as your teamPirate

do you guys wanna ask me one by one? lol

But since he claimed it, I'm just gonna go ahead and confirm that NM is telling the truth about being a pirate.

were you impressed I POE'd down your team mate correctly?

and people wanna flip me, kyoko. tell them I'm town

[Gimli]

tentative scumteam: kuzu/herta/KT

drew and aisa are possible

[Gimli]

the only people I have confidence in townreading are marashu, enchant and kokichi

all we have to do now is find the two townies in (aisa, KT, herta, kuzu, dr drew) for the win. I'll try some ISOs in a bit.

[Gimli]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

I could be wrong about kokichi, but I think the way he is engaging with the thread is an honest one. doesn't protect any slot, has the right amount of confidence in the things he is saying, etc. it really just strikes me as a townie. do you disagree? are you scumreading him? I remember you were townreading him or at least being protective about him on d1 (I thought it was pocketing (maybe it was pocketing since you're a pirate)).

[Gimli]

putting in spoilers as this is mostly for myself, but feel free to read if you feel like. I'm quoting some posts I think are interesting from drew/aisa/herta/kuzu/KT. it doesn't really go anywhere and might confuse more than help.

Spoiler: lots of things from day 1

It could literally come from scum who has that role, haha. Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from the largest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.

aisa and herta have weird dynamics. herta is easily townreading aisa because of some meta read, and I feel the confidence and consistency aren't very towny at all (no read change, no attempt to evaluate), while aisa is maybe a little too involved with the miller claim from early on. this post I'm quoting I think is a tad less likely to be SvS, because it shows a universal miller from the largest groupscum would show up as the smallest faction. that's not damning for herta per se, but it puts her claim back at 0 townpoints. and once we have no reason to townread herta, you kinda start to scumread herta, you know what I'm saying?

Oh my bad, Marashu had the same question about TL's change of read before I did lol.
Meg said that a groupscum universal miller would be allowed. So e.g. if the smallest groupscum group in this game were the Apparitions, a Universal Miller Apparition would be allowed, and would investigate as an Apparition to relevant investigatives. (Meg is awesome.)

@Yume

, why are you voting Gimli?

Surely

this is a legitimate claim. I feel like Herta is reproducing the ?confusion? of having an odd role very well - seems like it would be hard to reproduce if it were a fake claim.

Herta, have you thought about asking the mod to clarify how your role works?

Wait I'm dumb lol, I literally asked Meg yesterday? the day before? I believe my interpretation of how Universal Miller works is the correct one.

Why are you voting Fuyuhiko, Herta?

so these are the posts where I'm starting to doubt things a bit, because aisa appears to be too focused on that claim now, while simultaneously forgetting a conversation with the mod. it doesn't feel very good.

I got backed into overconfidence and backing down would be scummy

this feels exceptionally self-conscious for this stage of the game.

I think your play is objectively scummy and trying to pretend otherwise or deflect the matter is a bad look

I don't like anything kuzu posted this game and this is just another example. the way he is pushing TL seems disingenuous to me. the strength of the read is very offputting.

UNVOTE:

Howdy all, already gave a little bit of a skimmy skim of the thread

The main things that jumped out at me in a quick reading:

TL changing their Mara for no reason.....when Mara was the first town ping I got was a bit....weird?

And it was Kiki...or Kyoko, sorry I am gonna fuck that up a lot(damn anime names and avatars), who called that out as well......seems towny(or at least not the same alignment as TL).

There was something I didn't like about Kitty's early posting, but changed my tuned as I kept skimming, will revisit that as I read the thread again.

Again, just a quick little how you doin post with some off the cusp reads and such, will do a deeper dive.....possibly tonight if the beer doesn't take over too much lol.

weak sauce and +scum points for drew.

I think Aisa is likely town. The last time I played with her I picked up scum vibes early, and I don't sense that here. Not conclusive but close anyway.

weak sauce and +scum points for herta. read feels like TMI a bit? if one of them is town, is aisa anyway.

Temporal Lich seems, idk, confused maybe. I lean town on that confusion.

not a single scumread up to this point, other than that early push on me that amounted to nothing and she backtracked everything. still weak still +scum

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

bad things by KT.

Just TL and I in the neighborhood. They also said that I (or specifically narrow parking) was a random choice.

There hasn't been much action in the hood, just TL explaining to my former self what a hood is lol. Really no real alignment read from that. I almost feel like they are too scared too give too much away, but their in thread activity has matched their hood activity, so might be nothing big about that.

In thread, seems weird that they are the only real wagon and besides TL's push on Kyo, there been a real push for a counter wagon. I keep going back to TL's sudden read change on Mara, which to me seemed the most scummy thing to happen to that point.

I feel like I am overthinking my way out of a TL voted, but I would prefer to let things play out a bit more.

I kind of like this from Drew, he is still picking up on what's 'objectively scummy' about TL which was the bad progression of the marashu read, while considering other things. this is a more towny look at things, a bit more broad than e.g. how kuzu and herta are posting.

I'm not as sure that Temporal Lich is town as others are that he's scum. I'm not super committed to that read. I'll hammer if NM doesn't. A counter wagon would be nice.

VOTE: yume

more noncomittal stances by herta. this is my strongest scumread at this point in game.

I am townreading Doctor Drew because Doctor Drew has a town mindset... 228 is a good example.

Enchant is very slightly towny still.

and yeah I picked meta-neighbor because neighbor is a quite useful role.

I would still want to elim Kokichi because that would make D2's elim easy and also be very likely to hit scum (though if Kokichi flips town, it actually might be enough to clear Kyoko). Yume would be okay but Day 2 would not be easy as Yume doesn't have any associatives or anti-associatives.

I don't disagree re Yume.

I didn't follow your cases on Kokichi/Kyoko all that well.

I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.

fair from herta.

Is TL at E-1 still?

I don't want to accidentally hammer but I want to vote them, feel like at this point it is better than Yume.

and yikes from drew.

this game is tough, I think. I'm not clearing anyone after re-reading them. I think the townies should town it up so the game can be simpler.

[Gimli]

NM is still trolling 99% of the time

but drew can be a fine kill

[Gimli]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

so I have an unfortunate lean rn, that KT is actual groupscum and is posturing to line up kills outside of his team.

[Gimli]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

so I have an unfortunate lean rn, that KT is actual groupscum and is posturing to line up kills outside of his team.

I'm leashed.

If town has any objections to me doing this, then say it.

As it is I think you're scared scum trying to shade me, a PR with the ability to kill scum, to discredit me.

you want to kill NM, a claimed pirate. if I'm true groupscum I'm fine with letting you do that.

is that not an easy read? that the person suspecting our vig the most, when the vig is aiming at 'benign third party that steals scum powers', isn't the scum?

if we're gonna flip dr drew, and I'm not against that, we are NOT doing it because of NM, nor are we punishing NM for 'scumsiding'.

NOT_MAFIA DOESNT KNOW WHO THE SCUM ARE

. he scumsides cause he is a troll, he'd do the same things if he was town. we just lost a game where he hammered everyone's top townread with an ability the scum team gave him, and he said to me and I quote "I'd do it again". the scum team said in dead chat that they gave the ability to NM cause they thought he'd kill town, 'and he did'.

so if there's one thing you are not doing in this game, is killing NM just because he trolled. we know his alignment! we don't waste shots on him or on kyoko, and we do not eliminate anyone because he says he has a cop check on them, on a game where that is unlikely!

pay attention to the game man.

[Gimli]

all we have to do now is find the two townies in (aisa, KT, herta, kuzu, dr drew) for the win. I'll try some ISOs in a bit.

that's very hard, you're all very scummy. I'm townreading aisa but any reasonable scum can post like she is posting, so I can't get her out of a POE.

I don't know if I can progress much further with this game like this.

[Gimli]

Yes that is correct, Drew. There is a definite difference in how I'm approaching this. That game was a lot easier to grasp.

____<<<

Kokichi, I have nothing to offer you on that. I dont know why you are blank to me. I earlier had typed out that reading your posts was like looking into a void, but i thought it sounded insulting and i didnt want to sound like that. But thats what it feels like to me.

And Drew both of us really needed to solve just two people, and it was 90% apparent how it was going to resolve. It was just an easier game, and, protecting against that 10% was a luxury that could be had.

I am talking about before we got in the dungeon(now that sounds weird out of context haha).

On Day 1 when trying to sort everyone, you were way more engaged then now. And yes that game was a bit more straightforward, but seems like more reason to be more explicit here if you have town intentions.

Just like KT, both of you seem like like you afraid to commit, and are coasting under the guise of 'I am bad player' or 'this is a harder game to solve'.

I should quote this to point out to a fine Dr Drew post! this is townier than what Herta has produced all game.

which sort of brings me to the kuzu/KT/herta team I guessed previously.

I think aisa does not towncase dr drew as scum unless they're SvS.

[Gimli]

I want to flip herta and then eliminate kuzu.

if herta is town, then I'm way offbase and I think killing drew and, if drew is scum, eliminating me on d3 for scumsiding works. we'd just change the order of events. but as it is I feel like I should be whiteknighting drew and aisa. those are the wrong flips. herta is the best flip.

[Gimli]

I should note that I have no idea how to properly read gamma (kuzu) and have failed everytime. but the way she is scumsiding in this game is blatant if herta is scum. and her progression on kyoko does not make any sense still, none of them.

[Gimli]

that's fine. we're on opposite spectrums of the game.

we have to make sure we win even if we're TvT. if it's drew and aisa, then it is also herta.

after my green flip, you always eliminate herta next

.

[Gimli]

herta can be scum with drew. that towny post drew is writing to her could be SvS distancing.

I'm pointing at the appropriate things so you don't scumside horribly, gamma.

[Gimli]

that's fine. we're on opposite spectrums of the game.

we have to make sure we win even if we're TvT. if it's drew and aisa, then it is also herta.

after my green flip, you always eliminate herta next

.

Hmmm
This does feel genuine.
Why do you see Drew + Aisa as either SvS or TvT and lock into a single worldview? That’s bad gameplay imo.

that is not what I said.

Aisa is only scum in worlds where drew is scum. she can be town while drew could be scum. what I don't see her doing is coming here with a genuine towncase on the next miselim. it won't even be townread, it's not LAMISTy, it just makes you look wonky. so she is never the S in a TvS relationship. that's the only lean I'm drawing. so if drew is town, then I'm fine with aisa being town for the rest of the game.

[Gimli]

I'm starting to townread kuzu.

[Gimli]

you're pushing down that meta read but I see what you're saying

I'm fine with working with a (drew, aisa, herta, KT) pool rn. what do you think of KT, kuzu?

[Gimli]

put kokichi back in the pool

pedit @gamma: your self meta. you're saying you don't do as scum what you just did here, which was 'flip me or flip my POE'. I see what you're saying, but it's self meta anyway. I'm fine with you being town for now.

I think Kitty is doing exactly what Drew is pointing at. he is just coasting, 'game too hard'ing and not doing anything. he only started pushing people now and I didn't like it either. the game WAS too hard, now we have 2 people from the same alignment outed, and I still don't see him solving any part of it. if he is town he needs to town it up.

[Gimli]

tentative scumteam: kuzu/herta/KT

drew and aisa are possible

What about Pirates? Do you think Kyoko is telling the truth about N_M being pirate?

yes I fully believe her and NM are pirates and that's why she trolled the majority of the game

[Gimli]

Then why in the world would you not be okay with voting Drew?

I'll ask the most asked question of this game: have you played with not_mafia before?

[Gimli]

NM's claim has zero credit. n1 was hail. he'd need a BP ability on top of a cop check. and he is a neutroll. he'll always troll this game.

you and KT are hiding behind a fakepeek by a guy that trolls every single game. if you're town, that's cowardice. if you're scum it's smart but I can see what's going on.

[Gimli]

that was to kokichi ofc not kirigiri

[Gimli]

kyoko has townsided the fuck out of her role

[Gimli]

I still think Drew is the best vote but not because of NM’s claim. This will also be elaborated on in my practical plan.

I can get behind drew.

what we should never do is shoot NM because drew flipped green.

[Gimli]

you and KT are hiding behind a fakepeek by a guy that trolls every single game. if you're town, that's cowardice. if you're scum it's smart but I can see what's going on.

I've been saying all day Drew has had bad posts, so it's not the only reason why I think he could be scum.

not to kill drew, but to then go ahead and blame and kill NM for being NM.

if we're killing drew cause he is scummy, then it's on us and we use KT's ability to shred the POE, not to kill a pirate. never killing a pirate on a townflip! we lose the game with bullshit like this man.

[Gimli]

Um. If Pirate trying to force mislims then they are enemies? So why don't blast them.

11 players left

3 scum
2 pirate
6 town

miselim + BLAST PIRATEZ AT NIGHT =

5 town
1 pirate
3 scum

and that's an ELO for all intents and purposes

we must scumhunt inside the true groupscum. 100% at elimination and with the night shot. we don't have room to be flipping pirates rn.

[Gimli]

I took that as not wanting to vote Drew at all but you just don't want it because of N_M.

I would be down for a Drew/Herta elim/shot. In either order. Anyone else?

that's what I'm thinking of. the order doesn't matter.

[Gimli]

oh that's great, we're all coming to the same conclusions

[Gimli]

if everyone's both bottom reads are both town then we are in a pickle yes enchant. but doing this vendetta thing against NM is awful regardless.

[Gimli]

if everyone's both bottom reads are both town then we are in a pickle yes enchant. but doing this vendetta thing against NM is awful regardless.

Still better than instalose.

there is scum between herta and dr drew though.

[Gimli]

put kokichi back in the pool

pedit @gamma: your self meta. you're saying you don't do as scum what you just did here, which was 'flip me or flip my POE'. I see what you're saying, but it's self meta anyway. I'm fine with you being town for now.

I think Kitty is doing exactly what Drew is pointing at. he is just coasting, 'game too hard'ing and not doing anything. he only started pushing people now and I didn't like it either. the game WAS too hard, now we have 2 people from the same alignment outed, and I still don't see him solving any part of it. if he is town he needs to town it up.

I see what you’re saying about Kitty but why is his solving getting more intense after the pirates have been outed? I’d expect scum in this scenario to deflate due to not having another target to legitimately hunt.

Honestly, I think I see this behavior from one player here.

is it drew?

IDK I'm not seeing KT doing much of anything. I don't see his solving as more intense, although yes I agree more intensely solving now is >town, which is what I'm saying about KT as well... I expect a lot more solving than this from him, alongside the other things I mentioned (blaming NM on a drew flip, etc).

[Gimli]

Why is that not wise?

The prevailing theory is one of them is scum. So based on that, killing both of them in a row would always kill a scum and a town. I think there’s a better way to approach this. It starts by voting out Drew today.

Or.. What if. (CRAZY THEORY) They could both be scum?

yeah that's where I'm leaning rn.

they could be scum with aisa, I think. if it's a 3 person team.

[Gimli]

one person not really doing much at all anymore is aisa.

[Gimli]

So my plan revolves around Gimli’s PoE from a bit ago, which I think is solid enough. To recap, that PoE was {Herta, Drew, Aisa, Kitty}. Kitty obviously needs to stay around through tonight. Drew is the most optimal vote-out as he has ties to Herta and Aisa. If Drew flips town, by the common consensus of Herts and Drew having one scum, Herta is the best shot. If Drew flips scum, Herta is probably town and should be shot but since Aisa’s scum equity is in the universe where Drew is scum, she’s a good shot if Drew flips scum. Past tonight, any additional flips are at “we’ll see”.

fine plan

you cool with that, KT?

[Gimli]

I prefer if KT shots herta either way fwiw

[Gimli]

should've flipped herta

too bad

[Gimli]

I prefer if KT shots herta either way fwiw

Why? If Drew flips scum Herta should be town right? Would you seriously suggest killing a town for no reason than your ego?

Herta isn't town if drew is scum, why would that be the case?

[Gimli]

People's roles so far:
Gimli: Potato Propagandist, aligned with the Potato Tyranny
Aisa:

Safeguarder

of the universe against the Potato Tyranny
Herta: Yam

This is my crumb, ta-da

That can be rly useful later

[Gimli]

I think Aisa is never scum defending town!drew. I don't have any form of associatives like that between herta and anyone, I think herta is scum and fits in every scum team with every living player.

[Gimli]

And given aisa's emotions here at end of day I suggest shooting herta even if drew is scum.

[Gimli]

'attempt to use'

I think what KT has is a vigilante ability

we might not even have a kill tonight? gotta ask the mod I think

[Gimli]

Inverse Killer

Each night you may target a player. If you were instead performing a "Vigilante" action instead of this ability, and that action would

not

cause the death of the targeted player, then activate the following effect.
The targeted player unavoidably die. This effect is untargeted and cannot be stopped.

gotta ask the mod for clarification tbh. the enabler makes all vig actions impossible to be **attempted**. so you couldn't be 'performing' a vigilante action to begin with? heh. IDK. we really need herta flipping.

[Gimli]

Drew is an absolute potato for not claiming much earlier

[Gimli]

oh no you're town

I never even pushed you, drew. I'm sorry I didn't defend you and once again agreed with a thread consensus that killed town. what can I do lol.

[Gimli]

should we consider the possibility that there wasn't a hammer? let me check...

[Gimli]

he is hammered

gl town

[Gimli]

oh no you're town

I never even pushed you, drew. I'm sorry I didn't defend you and once again agreed with a thread consensus that killed town. what can I do lol.

Kill the '3p'.

Also, I should have been a better Neighbor to TL. But at least we join each other again in the Hood in the sky.

we all treated Lich poorly and don't deserve to win after we eliminated him d1

[Gimli]

I still think Kitty is scum and will shot town regardless so whatever

.

[Gimli]

DID I GET NOTIFICATION FOR THAT

.

[Gimli]

haha I have a bad feeling about this game

[Gimli]

dont forget vandalized

[Gimli]

dont forget vandalized

I know right. Its so hilarious and sad at the same time ...

i lmfao at vandalized because that would be a very hostile type of 3p

[Gimli]

What about NM 'guilty' on me? How should that be trusted as helping town?

I know we don't use the L word anymore, but what do they say about liars?

I guess in NM’s case I’m more accommodating towards just policy yeeting/shooting him but “kill every 3p ever always” is kinda a rude mindset and will make 3ps that could townside not do so just because siding with town will just get them murdered without exception.

There's respectable reason why 3p even if townsided are frowned upon and are executed.

let me have this saved for when you flip 3p

I am not 3p and you can't argue with that: If you are pirate i can't be 3p as there's only two anti-town factions.

she meant when you're the 3p and no matter how you play people wanna hang you

[Gimli]

Herta has died. Their role was

Town Universal Miller

Spoiler:

You are a

Town Universal Miller.

Other roles and actions always treat you as a vanilla role of the groupscum alignment with the smallest amount of members at game start, regardless of your alignment.

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated, and at least one Town member is alive.

I haz scumsided

[Gimli]

I would like to start this day off by saying: what the fuck was that fakeclaim by Drew?

got super towny after we killed him lmao

[Gimli]

it's just aisa isn't it, I don't even see a third arson in this game

[Gimli]

I think robbing Kitty is play.

But I really want to 100% hit a town for this plunder. I was thinking gimli since his fruit vendor claim thing in d1.

also marashu since the shots are done already not a bad choice

I promise you I'm town even though I defended the wolves of my POE, you can steal from me 100%

but I'm not sure no killing is a good thing, kyoko. for one thing we can't coordinate with NM cause he is super unreliable, so your parity cop won't solve the game. if you can somehow force NM to target aisa while you target me we could probably do it? but then just flipping aisa is better fmpov

[Gimli]

Has anyone here seen Gimli!scum outside of Hidden Temple? I feel like he’s in line with his towngame but I don’t have a good concept of his scumgame I think.

I think it's funny when people clear me because of Hidden Temple? I don't think you guys have any idea what it was replacing into that. wolves had zero motivation to win that game and my slot was condemned from the get go. what else do I do instead of just having fun?

anyway for a better scumgame of mine check this one: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90287&user_select%5B%5D=34779 it's the only other game where I was scum recently

I'm still outside my scum range by a mile though

[Gimli]

I think today we should massclaim and coordinate. pirates should try to visit T and S so they can leave the game and win. so one of (me, kokichi, zuku?) and aisa if we're not just eliminating aisa today.

my preference is getting through with the elimination atm. if it's a three person true groupscum, things can get funky if we no lim today.

[Gimli]

the easiest way you can win is by plundering both factions, no? plundering all town doesn't guarantee it

[Gimli]

okay if the town agrees. I'm not gonna argue for it but we can go no lim, sure.

[Gimli]

if we have 2 night phases, we'll try to find an arsonist on that night, but us plundering town is priority. otherwise if you kill every arson in game we just loose

got it

massclaim + coordinate NAs. no lim. pirates plunder (me, kokichi, zuku) tonight. tomorrow we flip aisa. if that doesn't end the game, pirates plunder inside the POE pool. if pirates leave, we have a guarantee wolf in (n3 plunder, n4 plunder). if they stay, we have two townies.

[Gimli]

I'm visiting kokichi tonight and playing him a serenate

[Gimli]

if aisa is the last true scum she is not gonna like the torture session this game is going to be

[Gimli]

we should have marashu's ability that tells us who got visited, so maybe we'll know who was doused or figure out inside a pool

[Gimli]

ah yeah too bad

[Gimli]

Did he just random accuse and got lucky?

yes

[Gimli]

we can't coordinate with NM cause he is super unreliable

I caught a scumbutt for you

<3

[Gimli]

if pirates care for the mechanical win let's go on with finishing the massclaims already

aisa just outed herself so let's get this done with

[Gimli]

VOTE: no elim

[Gimli]

I kinda don't want Fuyu or Gimli plundered N3; they both have abilities that send messages to their recipients, so if they use those abilities then they aren't dousing.

I’ve already said my target receives no notice if my visiting them.

they don't know what they can't post?

[Gimli]

that's a dayvig

what a crazy game lol

[Gimli]

I really hope we don't have something i think we have.

what do you think we have?

[Gimli]

Aisa we need to talk

[Gimli]

let me re-read and understand everything

[Gimli]

Hi hi I targeted Gimli last night

Spoiler: hi

I confirm!

okay now the question is, can scum multitask?

[Gimli]

no one else targeted me last night btw, only aisa. I received the confirmation of that via PM.

[Gimli]

gn kirigiri

[Gimli]

Would you be terribly offended if I disappeared for 20 minutes and then came back to talk Gimli

take your time, but also we need you to be extremely towny today if you're town cause everybody wants you dead

[Gimli]

no one else targeted me last night btw, only aisa. I received the confirmation of that via PM.

yea I was debating between you and mara for plundering a town and went with mara cause was sure arsonists wouldn't claim that role and go hail their douses for 2 night straight, and we really needed to 100% hit a town to be able to win with town so went with mara

okay let's discuss aisa's post flip strategies tomorrow

[Gimli]

you can roleblock the kill, right? so how is it not useful?

[Gimli]

I like aisa's posts please help me I'm tired of townreading scum

[Gimli]

aisa is suspecting enchant so I picked some of his posts to just point at them and say they're towny and say why they're towny. it's in spoilers cause it's long and it could also be really boring to read up

Spoiler: enchant being a towny

If we ask 3p to out peacefully under promise we not touch them, will they do so

good protown thoughts, trying to advance the game

Should we share discards

I think i share my discard anyway:

Untopped Post Restrictor

At night, you may select a player to restrict for the following day phase. You may restrict one of: word count maximum (your choice, minimum 25 words), post count maximum per 24 hours (minimum 1), or provide a list of 10 words (of at least 4 letters each) to censor. Players who violate this restriction are daykilled by you. If a player posts a pagetop (a post # that is evenly divisible by 25), they may ignore these restrictions.

The target will be informed of their restriction. You may not target the same player with this two nights in a row.

being the first to talk about discards, being the first to share his own discard. too upfront about it and >rand towny thing

You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

kyoko push was good and the reasoning was sound AND KYOKO WAS F'ING LYING about being VT so this is good perception by enchant!

I didn't really count how many pure vanillas in setup.

... 39.
Therefore chance is pretty respectable.

that's a lot to go through

Eh. I would rather to choose Hail.

It stops killing altogether.

protown thing, probably one of the first ones to support hail

Basically it's Vigilante which works only when they should fail.

Example: They shot Bullet. If this bullet is blocked by something and target not die from it (for example HEALED), then target unavoidable oblitirated by laser beam. If this bullet hits (and target would die if this vig bullet was real), then it doesh't work.


I dunno how to explain simpler.

sound mech

Wait actually. We have Kitty chained i guess.

So maybe Hail again is not bad as well.

sound thing

So anyway. I checked every role in setup.

Conclusion: NM can have guilty. But most likely he is bullshitting as none of these are "directly condemning".

There's like 1 exception: Large modifier which makes you bulletproof and your action can't be prevented.


... I have too much freetime.

lots of legwork to figure out the mechanics

and there's other things, he also doesn't seem aligned with dr drew at all

[Gimli]

aisa's other suspicion was kokichi and I don't really think so, so I'd need to be convinced real bad that this is a scum game. it's also very possible that kokichi's interactions with drew don't exist if they're scum together but this is just an impression from memory and I have yet to read up on these.

[Gimli]

MafSilver board style > all

[Gimli]

I'm doing a re-read on kokichi and I'm not so sure now cause his earlier posting is actually quite ??????? and IDK if ??????? is mafia or what it is. I think some of this would be alright for kokichi to respond but he doesn't have to as I'm mostly just rambling and not going anywhere with it.

Spoiler: some kokichi's d1 stuff I'm quoting and saying things about

Besides memes, why would the meta janitor leave out N_M?

I noticed that as well. Could just be mind games? If anything I doubt N_M would be janitor and choose themself not to redact.

I think it's weird that kokichi noticed that shit before Marashu pointed at it, but I'm incredibly lazy so maybe kokichi isn't lazy and actually reads setup posts and things like that right from the start of the game (spoilers: we'll see he doesn't).

Yeah I believe the only reason to meta janitor everyone but not mafia would be for memes

This effectively leaves no info for Day 1 besides that we are playing a setup with non-standard factions

Anyway, Marashu seems town but this is still early D1

How are they town based on pointing out the obvious?

I think this is uncharitable.

Kokichi Oma, have you played with N_M before?

Yeah, I know they can be a bit of a troll at times.

I think this conversation is strange.

Right… which is why if anything I feel like not redacting themselves is exactly in their wheelhouse, don’t you think?

I guess, but I feel like N_M is the type to either redact all, half or none. Not just themself. But, I haven't played with them in like 4 years so who knows.

that's such a weird assessment on what NM would or wouldn't do with a meta janitor role... I wonder why kokichi thinks this.

the way aisa posts about it is also a little suspicious because scum tried to frame NM with the thing? so, idk.

Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?

Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy

Kinda thought you claim miller either late D1 or early D2

Claiming miller after a red check is too late however.

I assumed it was usual RVS stuff so I ignored it. If this is legit, then I don't see why they would wait until then? By that time they could be scumread and it would look worse. I don't see an issue with them claiming it now.

I'm always going to take issue with this post because assuming the miller claim was RVS feel really strange to me and almost like not a real thought to have.

I assumed it was usual RVS stuff so I ignored it. If this is legit, then I don't see why they would wait until then? By that time they could be scumread and it would look worse. I don't see an issue with them claiming it now.

why would you want to claim miller instantly if you're actually a Town Miller?

that just seems scummy posturing during RVS which is trying too hard

I dunno, if I was miller I would just say so right away. I can only go based on what I would do in the same situation.

if you were miller you'd just say so right away, then how did you think the miller claim was RVS banter? if it's something you'd do as miller, why wouldn't you take it at face value instead?

Also Kokichi clearly wants a mislim or at least to cause confrusion

You've been hyper focused on me for some reason when you've had other people vote you and sus you as well. What are your reads on them?

VOTE: Lich

Way too defensive and reactionary. Also seems like they only suspect people who vote them.

kokichi, is 'suspecting people who vote for x' something that x does more as mafia than as town? I wonder if you think this is true, if this is a real scumhunting idea you have, and not just posturing for the sake on it once you're going to vote for someone.

[Gimli]

Spoiler: some random quotes from kokichi and some from drew before I investigate the d1 KT counterwagon to lich. very boring please only read if you like reading my things

Quick Introduce on what the fuck we can have:

True Groupscum List:

Spoiler:

1.

Dark Creatures

Info
2.

Mysterious Electricians

Info
3.

Arsonist Cartel

Info
4.

Apparitions

Info
5.

Negach Syndicate

Info
6.

Witches

Info
7.

Raging Beasts

Info
8.

Black Magicians

Info
9.

The Compleationists

Info
10.

Daylight Cult

Info
11.

Starkin

Info
12.

Conspirators

Info
13.

Doom Seekers

Info

Benign Groupscum List:

Spoiler:

1.

Pirates Info

2.

Amoeboids

Info
3.

Zombies

Info
4.

Mesmers

Info
5.

Guardians

Info
6.

Celestial Angels

Info
7.

Consortium

Info
8.

Card Sharks

Info
9.

Playground Bullies

Info
10.

Heralds

Info

Solo Third Party List:

Spoiler:

1.

Dragoon

Info
2.

Duplicator

Info
3.

Double

Agent

Info
4.

Cursebearer

Info
5.

Poltergeist

Info
6.

Final Curtain

Info
7.

Zalith, The Last Occultist

Info

Benign Third Party List:

Spoiler:

1.

Vampire

Info
2.

Demon

Info
3.

Fiend

Info
4.

Dictator

Info
5.

Sidekick

Info
6.

Hermit

Info
7.

Deathseeker

Info

I should really read game setups before I join them

This feels annoyed; am I wrong?

Yes, cause I never read setups before I join and this seems like a confusing one.

almost feels like I'm picking on kokichi for these things but it's weird? that he doesn't read the setup before joining, or after a good chunk of d1 is already up, but spotted the NM meta janitor thing independently from marashu at the beginning of d1. weird doesn't = scummy so idk what to do with this.

I think Kokichi is town

Can everyone stop townreading me, I don't wanna be night one kill this game.

K

VOTE: Koki

thats almost awkward enough to be not a svs? but idk

249 and 316 is the kind of distancing that only strengthens an associative.

Did I not do the same thing with Marashu? Why are you only focused on Kirigiri? I think you just thought we were the same person then realized we weren't and are faking a read.

I'll take kokichi's annoyance with TL's focus on him to be NAI cause it could be really annoying, but I'll note that kokichi does a lot of pushing TL for things that I personally don't think are ever scummy or are like grossly uncharitable like this post.

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

It was this, getting that upset over posting initial reads(whether you agree with the reads or not), jumped out at me.

Not much here tbh, could have been trying to jumpstart a miselim, but not much else evidence to really support that.

Did find it interesting that Gimli gave them shit for saying they aren't familiar with the player list. There was a slight back and forth that seemed a bit forced. But that might be better to revisit at a later time.

I think this has the potential of being a svs pairing between drew and KT with a distancing post that is like, noticing something scummy KT did but then backtracking it to oblivion and never pushing it again (spoilers: will vote him at the end of d1 so this read is probably wrong)

Agreed that Gimli and KT are almost guaranteed to not be same alignment.

Hey, maybe first instincts were correct.

VOTE: KT

End of D1 when under fire is quite the time for TL to come alive and making some sense at least

so I think this KT vote is important cause it might clear KT depending on how things looked like. I find the 'gimli and KT are not the same alignment' terribly chainsawn-y as when KT flips town I look bad or something? so it's also probably townpoints for KT.

[Gimli]

Spoiler: d1 KT wagon. potential to clear KT?

I think I'm sitting alone in that KT wagon, appreciate people joining me there

Ya we can do that.

VOTE: kittytacky

considering that KT actually gives a little bit of info (namely, KT and Gimli are highly unlikely to be co-aligned groupscum ignoring Gimli being obvtown), KT is a more economical vote.

VOTE: KittyTacky

I have around equal preference for a KT or Yume elim.

Agreed that Gimli and KT are almost guaranteed to not be same alignment.

Hey, maybe first instincts were correct.

VOTE: KT

End of D1 when under fire is quite the time for TL to come alive and making some sense at least

Well that was a quick swing to Kitty

Took days for TL to get to E-2 but Kitty gets there almost immediately. I'm going to iso Kitty.

I like kokichi's instincts here, I think they're well settled. drew was scum so there was scum on this wagon.

the important question here is if this drew vote could be distancing or if this vote could look good on KT instead. I'm not really sure but I think the 'kt and gimli are not aligned' phrasing from drew makes me feel like this is opportunistic scum trying to put two townies in opposite alignments to chainsaw. so idk I think this is >rand town for KT.

Vote Count 1.7

Spoiler: Large Image

Kittytacky (5) Gimli, Not_Mafia, Herta, TemporalLich, Doctor Drew [E-2]


TemporalLich (3) Aisa, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu, KittyTacky,

Kyoko Kirigiri (1) Enchant,
Gimli (1) Yume


Not Voting (3) Marashu, Kyoko Kirigiri, Kokichi Oma,

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline (expired on 2023-02-04 19:24:54)

Note: This is where a note would be, if there was one.

[Gimli]

narrator: it's just aisa

[Gimli]

just give me kuzu's role and I play for both of us np

[Gimli]

It seems to me that Enchant's behaviour does check out with his claim today.

That's why i asked to be robbered.

That's the only part I don't get?

oh

@enchant why would you ask to be robbered if the passive you had keeps scum from vigging?

[Gimli]

I see

lets flip aisa

VOTE: aisa

and get to postgame

[Gimli]

pirates can you tell us who you're targeting?

[Gimli]

it's good for both sides i think

[Gimli]

okay sure tyt

[Gimli]

yessssssssss

[Gimli]

hi furtive, we think your slot is town because kuzu was towny.

the game has two pirates (kyoko and NM). they're benign groupscum. they leave the game with a win if they target both town and scum at night. they targeted marashu last night because kyoko thinks they're likely town.

the game has arsonists. they're true groupscum and who we need to kill to win. we think there's 2 of them total, but could be 3. we flipped one of them last gameday. we think the other one is aisa.

you basically don't need to do much but potato and wait for kyoko and NM to figure out who they're targeting tonight. I think flipping aisa is inevitable as she is not towny. since you guys modded a game together maybe you can read her better than we can? but the slot is really doomed at this point and needs to flip.

[Gimli]

doctor drew is a dead arsonist on d2 by elimination.

the other deaths were herta (universal miller on n2) and yume (something). kittytacky killed them both. the mechanics for this thing are kinda complex but basically marashu had the power to hail (all night actions fail) and kittytacky is an inverse killer (kills if it would otherwise not kill). so we hailed for two nights and KT targeted the POE.

pedit: yeah marashu explained it better

[Gimli]

kokichi solved the game: it's just aisa

[Gimli]

KT should coordinate with pirates, so he kills one and they target the other and we clear the POE

I have no idea who KT should shoot and no clue who could be a wolf if not aisa. maybe flipping me is good, or kokichi depending on his big reveal being a bit scummy or not. and pirates can target either furtive or enchant. something like that?

[Gimli]

Furt, did ur slot target any one with ur role last nite

No, but I probably will tonight.

Have we massclaimed or something?

we massclaimed a little. I think we still don't know kokichi's role.

True

Summary of mechanical information so far:

Claims:

Kyoko Kirigiri
Pick: Modified Friendly Neighbour
Discard: Vanilla

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Pick: Witch
Discard: Vanilla

Enchant
Discard: Untopped Post Restrictor

Aisa
Pick: Security Guard

Gimli
Pick: Mysterious Musician

Marashu
Pick: Cloud Seeder

KittyTacky
Pick: Inverse Killer

Not_Mafia
Discard: Neighbor

Flips:

TemporalLich - Town Meta-Neighbor --- Discard: Extension
Yume - Town [One-Shot Meticulous] Tracker
Doctor Drew - Arsonist Cartel Multitargeting Meta-Janitor Meta-Neighbor
Herta - Town Universal Miller (Must Pick card)

we know now enchant is a scum vig disabler

[Gimli]

I haven't

you should make me die if I use the word potato, that'd be fun

[Gimli]

Last questioon b4 reveall.

[Gimli]

I think it's more POE + aisa towncased dr drew. it's really not much and I can see some dr drew posts that are either hardcore designed to distance or just things that make it more tvs than svs.

if you have a better option than aisa let us know

[Gimli]

VOTE: kittytacky

[Gimli]

If it's not Aisa and there are 3 pirates, It would probably be Gimli? Not sure. But I think it's just Aisa and one of KT/Furt

if I was a pirate I'd have no reason to hide that information

[Gimli]

pirates checking asia works great

we flip in furt/KT today

@marashu: I think gamma was relatively towny and seems to not make much sense as scum with dr drew. KT is very over the top with the dr drew stuff and is legitimately pissed at NM for the fake cop check.

[Gimli]

I have a better plan that gets me flipping

have furtive use his ability on me, and tomorrow I'll say whatever word I need to say to flip

then you flip aisa. that shreds the POE harder.

[Gimli]

I'm not gonna ask anyone else to do it cause dying on purpose is silly. but if I'm in a POE I wanna go down that way.

[Gimli]

it's silly that we have a dayvig and we are not taking advantage of it, though.

[Gimli]

I won't be in a rush

[Gimli]

did my music cause anything? I might target you again tonight since it might make your JOAT more powerful

[Gimli]

it can easily just be gamma too

[Gimli]

UNVOTE: I want to go back and re-read those two slots tonight. No need to rush this.

yeah I can do that at some point as well

I think the parts of the game where gamma talks about and to dr drew are interesting and potential svs. I was skimming now and it doesn't feel very right.

[Gimli]

in the end of the day the choice is yours, pirates.

if you wanna target aisa or furtive, it doesn't matter much? just tell us what you're doing

[Gimli]

I stopped following this argument fwiw

targeting aisa or furtive barely makes a difference for us. for pirates, picking furtive ends the game for them. they don't need to keep townsiding when they can just pick furtive and disappear with a victory.

[Gimli]

kokichi is never scum which is why I don't care for this conversation

I think we're ready to move on as long as the pirates target is clear to everyone

[Gimli]

what are we waiting for? let's just end this

[Gimli]

it's either you or kittytacky man, what question lol

just vote kittytacky

[Gimli]

and who should I try and smoke tomorrow?

I really wanna say potato and die

[Gimli]

Okay. Time to say my role.

Harbinger of the Dreaming God

You know you have the following one-shot abilities to use at night, you know how many targets each has, but not what each one does.

Death
Famine
Pestilence
War

I softed it here

okay.

I'm a town mysterious musician. I target a player with a song and they feel an energy. IDK how that messes with other roles or if I'm giving scum a redirector to a nuclear bomb or something, but my role doesn't say what it does really. it's mysterious.

The mysterious roles are always the best

I had no idea what my role was gonna do. Death seem like it could be a vig? But, was not willing to risk it. I chose War last night and picked Fuyu/KT as it was the only shot that allowed me to pick 2 targets. I picked them since they both had a killing role. I thought it could maybe give them a shot or something. Turns out I got a message last nite that said KT/Fuyu are at war and are different alignments. How interesting. Which is why I asked if they got any messagee last nite.

here, furtive. it's literally you or KT.

[Gimli]

a spicy meatball?

should we flip you instead?

[Gimli]

did you just realise we have auto? lol

[Gimli]

did you just realise we have auto? lol

How confident are you that there's 1 scum left?

I have no idea if it's 2 or 3

people have been saying 2. most slots are kinda towny so I buy that there isn't two groupscum left.

[Gimli]

kyoko and NM are benign groupscum, they're not town

[Gimli]

so we think it's 9 town 2 pirates 2 arson

it could be 8 town 2 pirate 3 arson as well we have no idea

pedit: what the guy said

[Gimli]

Ok why couldn't Arsonists douse earlier?

And why aren't we voting out Pirates?

you knew about pirates

[Gimli]

VOTE: furtive

somehow I think he is flailing here even though there's no real pressure

I don't understand the dumbtelling but I think it's a scum thing

I wanna flip there now first idk

[Gimli]

I don't get how you go from knowing about pirates to asking the things you were asking as if this game has only one groupscum, you know

and since KT isn't here to be scummy I'm gonna sit on this wagon for now and let other people decide if what I'm seeing is meaningful or not

[Gimli]

it doesn't, but when you say 'this is a 13er, right? and only one scum flipped', the undertone of it is not taking into account the existence of pirates. I know you're not really playing yet but still I take issue with your questions.

[Gimli]

it doesn't really matter if it's just you or just KT. if there's only one douser the game is over because even with a misflip the pirates will target the other player at night, leave the game and that is the same as a hard red check on who they targeted.

[Gimli]

okay

VOTE: KT

[Gimli]

POSTGAME POSTGAME POSTGAME

[Gimli]

I can win with kirigiri

I'm sad

[Gimli]

I don't think kokichi is necessarily scum

[Gimli]

Yeah I'm just gonna fullclaim this
I have to ability to pick a player and a word 3 times per game as a night action, if they post that word the next day they die

here enchant

[Gimli]

I wanna cry I don't think kokichi does that bullshit as mafia

[Gimli]

same different enchant

[Gimli]

I wanna hear from furtive that he was in fact plundered

potato potato potato potato potato

am I dead

[Gimli]

I also gave kokichi my music again last night

I wonder if my music is doing a bad thing with his powers

[Gimli]

sigh

ok so we flip kokichi and you plunder aisa

[Gimli]

I don't see what kokichi gains as mafia from doing what he did, he wasn't in POEs and was setting himself nicely for lategame

I'll sleep on this and post later

[Gimli]

if furtive is playing with any decency he targeted kokichi last night and kokichi will flip to a trigger word

the game will be to make kokichi say the word so he can flip instead of wasting an elim on him

if he is town I'm sure he'll agree

[Gimli]

I win with kyoko so idrc

[Gimli]

I just realised I don't need to care anymore lol gl town

[Gimli]

Yeah I did target Kokichi last night

@kokichi you know you need to flip so just say the trigger word whenever you're ready to move to dead thread

I really think you're town but idc anymore. if you dont say it we'll flip you

[Gimli]

hi kokichi

things look funky

[Gimli]

hey come on lets townside

[Gimli]

VOTE: kokichi

omg they wanna make a deal hahaha

[Gimli]

do I win regardless? I'm not sure I understand what the message really means

do I win with pirates?

[Gimli]

it was koki and enchant! enchant fooled me the bastard

[Gimli]

ah

[Gimli]

whos your partner?

we'll massclaim not your partner if you dont say

[Gimli]

kokichi idk what you're thinking playing like this but you threw

[Gimli]

Gimli cmon townside is more wholesome

yes I'll always townside for you furtive

lets just get kokichi flipped

[Gimli]

are you voting kokichi already, mara? if you're not just jump in there before kokichi strikes a deal with the pirates or smt

[Gimli]

ah you are

oh well

who's missing? aisa

@aisa come here and vote kokichi

oh wait is the other scum aisa lmao

[Gimli]

this is so funny

koki you're cool

[Gimli]

they'll actually lose if they follow your plan though

if you doused them and don't kill them then nobody dies and we play the next gameday just the same

the only thing you have now is the guarantee that they will lose by following your plan

it's cute and all, i love it cause you're playing an impossible spot like a champion

but it doesnt work

[Gimli]

I wouldn't really mind but it doesn't work, kokichi. it's over.

[Gimli]

the only way you win is by dousing town, so you doused town and you are lying to the pirates

I'm just pointing at it cause its lolobv

[Gimli]

we were going to flip aisa, and kokichi came up with a strong hail mary. strong. I even gave him more mysterious music last night lol.

[Gimli]

you are 100% lying about dousing them because you don't win if you doused them. killing you ends the game and its the easiest path

[Gimli]

if you doused the pirates and they no vote, and they leave, then tomorrow we still have majority and still eliminate one and then the other lol

so this is ridiculous lie

[Gimli]

yesss

[Gimli]

yup

town and pirates win

[Gimli]

well we need to flip aisa first but yeah