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It’s a dig, we played in a game recently where he subbed in as scum. But played like town and almost convinced town in a way to force a town lose. So it’s a joke… which I thought RVS was all about
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Quick question what is a deep wolf, I’m guessing it’s something to do with someone playing a good scum game and staying hidden or is that a way of guess. I’ve seen it mentioned in a few games where Dann has been labeled with it, but never really asked. Seems important here though?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I only know Dann and Project in this game, Dann a little more so than Project. But neither of them that well. Just know Danns very good at playing scum and is also a very good scum hunter.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I don’t recall to be honest, that may have been a month or so back when pulled out of all my games for challenges in RL. Which game?In post 149, Meuh wrote:
We played a game togetherIn post 148, Afrayed Knott wrote: I only know Dann and Project in this game, Dann a little more so than Project. But neither of them that well. Just know Danns very good at playing scum and is also a very good scum hunter.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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@Meuh, ok that game, sorry I didn’t remember you.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Although Elements response seems off.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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If we go on percentages there may well be as I have two from the small hood sat on me.
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In post 227, Dannflor wrote:
do you have any readsIn post 221, Afrayed Knott wrote: not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.
None right now, tbh. Elements asks me which reaction of theirs I found weird, it is this
Didn’t vibe right when I read it. Defensive but not defensive, possible considered. But then it’s a weak thought to be frank
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See above, nothing to be honest.In post 230, Elements wrote:
And ignoring the hood thing?In post 229, Afrayed Knott wrote:If we go on percentages there may well be as I have two from the small hood sat on me.
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First day for me it’s a mess unless something pings and doesn’t work out in my mind. Or doesn’t feel right. Then if I make it to D2, which has been a rarity for me, I look at any associations I might see or look at any solves that might start to appear. I’m fairly new to the game so it’s all still a learning process atm.In post 237, OopsieDaisy wrote: @Afrayed Knott How do you usually go about finding reads in mafia games?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I had been doing the same about looking at what was a dead thread. Then of course I come back and there’s a wagon, me. What I will say is having slept on that one question keeps coming to mind. Ari states she sees no scum hunting in my ISO, to be blunt I see none in hers or many people’s ISO. I see a lot of people chatting about other players they have played with in the past, and what they can say about those players and how the play as town or scum.In post 240, fireisredsir wrote: idk maybe
i just remember looking at the thread a few times and wishing someone would do something to move the game forward and then she did
so that maybe made it feel extra towny to me
So when Ari started my wagon I thought ok looks like a push to get things going, but then the reason doesn’t sit right in that she herself has no scum hunting going on in her ISO up to that point.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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How would you like me to phrase it? One word or two, your push has no substance either. EnjoyIn post 235, Aristeia wrote:In post 231, Afrayed Knott wrote:In post 227, Dannflor wrote:
do you have any readsIn post 221, Afrayed Knott wrote: not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.
None right now, tbh. Elements asks me which reaction of theirs I found weird, it is this
Didn’t vibe right when I read it. Defensive but not defensive, possible considered. But then it’s a weak thought to be frank
this feels like overexplained for something that has no substance
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Asking questions looking for gaps in logic or statements that don’t tally with previous statements, how do you define it?In post 244, Aristeia wrote: what do you define as "scumhunting" ?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I would say it’s either a push to lol for a reaction or say it was opportunistic.In post 245, Aristeia wrote: like would you say me voting you and claiming you're mafia for not having content in your iso is "not scum hunting?"
You miss one point, I stated that up until your push on me there was no scum hunting in your ISO. Thats rather selective in my mind.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I’ll post tomorrow, I just lost my Job.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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But in reply to Ari, I was not the one who said the thread was dead, I agreed with the comment. As for your post at 251 and 252 ok, that’s you and Oppsie discussing how you play from your game experience with each other. I can only take that into consideration going forward. There is only one player in the game I have good game time with and that’s Dann, I have a little with Project and even less with Meuh. Dann is being his usually self in my experience and provides very little to me this far to take him on with. Project was the butt of a reaction test and has said little else. As for Meuh I don’t enough to make any analysis of their play. So for
Me that type of interchange is pretty much not going to happen as I see it. As for
Your lecture on how to play really? Ok I appreciate the sentiment and the help. But don’t treat me
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right I am back, thanks for the kind words given. I am about to do what I generally always end up doing because of my TZ, which is read through everything I have missed and then post loads. Sorry but it really is the way I end up playing this game. It sort of makes me divorced from the chat which I hate, but on occasions in the evening when I am bored I get to interact live. Anyway waitout incoming posts, maybe in 20 to 30 minutes as there is a shed load to read, note and possibly comment on.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Firstly, hello Black welcome to the game, I hope I do not have to correctly read you as scum for a third game in a row.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Now, I need to round out my chat with Ari,
OK, yes I see that, possibly in newer players. But what about players with some time in? especially those that are very good at staying Town when not, If you don’t know them then how can you tell? For example, how Dann can seem so town and yet be scum playing everyone, that’s from my, limited experience. but based on the comments here about Deepwolf I am guessing most have had similar experiences with him. Plus, all I can do is read posts like the one you highlighted and consider both sides of what may or may not be said. I don’t know any of you to be frank and I am still finding my way in this game so forgive me if I have no idea how scum you or town you would phrase something.In post 252, Aristeia wrote: It's very easy to say behavior A is scum motivated because of ___ if you don't really consider what a person does when they're town.
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why didn't you take the initiative then?In post 264, Dannflor wrote: I think if I am scum and I am presented with a dead game state I tend to view that as an opportunity to take control of the game and/or get town cred. Not taking action usually just hands the initiative off to a townie who is willing to do it instead.
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In post 268, OopsieDaisy wrote: I read them and also saw scum motivation in pushing away from the idea of limming in your hood, keeping yourself safe and having a much easier time getting a mislim off in the bigger pool of players.
Sort of ties into the fact I had two from that hood on my wagon and one of those was Ari,You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 278, Ydrasse wrote: i haven’t been able to find anything really towny from fire, play feels kind of fluffy to me.
What do you mean by fluffy, this in itself sounds opportunistic to me to get on the wagonIn post 278, Ydrasse wrote: i haven’t been able to find anything really towny from fire, play feels kind of fluffy to me.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 280, Ydrasse wrote: also elements asked in the small hood if asking about meta was helpful to me and yes, but to clarify more i think that it’s worthwhile to ask daisy about meta because how she frames it is relevant to her alignment.
i thought that it was curious how it was used to bolster elements for the most part and wanted to see if she had thought about other worlds pr how elements would play and i feel she had given it some thought which makes me thinks the way she’s using it isn’t to like… pocket elements or protect a partner
Look out Black, people are looking at Meta, sorry I couldn’t resist that one. I will stop now.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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please what is this, so much to learnIn post 304, OopsieDaisy wrote:LAMISTYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I have to agree, but I just don't trust Dann. until I can tell if he is Red or Green. I know I have said it before, but it irks me.In post 315, Elements wrote: There's nothing Dann has done I can't see him doing as red team without much effort
For example in 330 his sentence is a little long from what I can say is normal Dann, he would usually say “Black why am I town?” Basically what he is saying in 364 about Ari.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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This sort of makes sense, but from whose angle, could the WIFOM be WIFOM? Although the more I read daisy the more I town lean them. So ok makes sense.In post 344, OopsieDaisy wrote: Like if the expectation is that the small hood gets the focus, and you know that you're a player who is often hovering in danger of mislims Day 1, why would that be a good idea? The only answer I find is the WIFOM angle.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 345, Dannflor wrote: i unironically think aristeia is the scum in the small hood because 253 is too nice
I am coming to this at the end in my summary but ok I will do it now as I just don’t like that whole passage of posts from Ari. Ok I am bias as its aimed at me, but even so;- vote me on a weak pretence, then give me advice?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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what are you snorting?In post 351, Black wrote: Why am I so high?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Well forgive me but I liked it, becauseIn post 352, Dannflor wrote: and meuh's only real significant contribution to this game is 262 which feels like a scum postYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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So I do have a few reads,
Oppsie and Ydr are town right now based off of feel and their post content.
Black based on Projects reaction to his fake lim is town, and I like her content also so far
I'm null on most others but feel scum is in and around Dann/ Ari / Elements.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I forgot to add, I don't feel the Meuh wagon at all. but again I could be biasYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Hi all, I have a job interview today, so am preparing for that. I will try to post later tonight. Which is GMT +4 for me. Currently local time is 1054 hrs.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I’m glad you asked that as I think you mean, why the scum read on me, you are not really concerned with the other two. I feel you aren’t, as I already covered them prior to my tentative read list. I was just waiting for a reaction from you. And I think I got the one I wanted.In post 412, Elements wrote: Can you give us more on why you think there's red team in the three of us?
You are very reactive to any push no matter how sight it might be, for example
Just after the vote on me. Seems a scummy reaction. When you look at the timing. Seems it was a jump on the wagon vote before a read back. That’s what I go the feel of anyway, but I am sure you could argue it was just a push, but you sort of did the same thing on the Meuh wagon.
Then there is 191 192 and then 198 after Danns nudge regarding his thoughts on your scummy posting.
You then ask me to ignore the hood thing, not sure why when you are seemingly an exponent of using it to our advantage.
Then there’s the references to your scummy play style and the fact that Black has been reading you as Red in a lot of games recently.
Just all seems manufactured to me. As if you say it enough then you can’t be scum.
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I really don't know how they play, it is more gut, but then they stood up for me so I am sort of biased. But looking deeper into their ISO, nothing seems overtly scummy (in my limited experience) And they appear to actually be hunting. Unlike Ari for example. who is blowing cold and colder, after accusing me of not scum hunting.In post 417, OopsieDaisy wrote: What's the reasoning behind the feeling?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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so most of the game then, as we really don't have a chunk to be chunky withIn post 417, OopsieDaisy wrote: it feels like this is something that's been playing on Fire's mind for a good chunk of this game.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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thanks, so it would be true to say then that even when scum you want to look good, to look town?In post 414, OopsieDaisy wrote:
LAMIST stands for "Look at me, I'm so town!" and it describes a playstyle that players can see as a bit of a scumtell as it revolves around someone acting townie but in a performative way where their actions seem motivated by a want to look good rather than actually wanting to play a townie game.In post 402, Afrayed Knott wrote:
please what is this, so much to learnIn post 304, OopsieDaisy wrote:LAMIST
Gets thrown at me a lot cause I am a player that wants to look good. My logic is that if I'm townread it puts me in a better position to control the game and therefore puts scum in a worse position to do so, alongside the fact that if I'm townread scum are just more likely to go down. Plus tbf I just play my best mafia in comfortable spots, under pressure sometimes I can just crack as town which is cringe but wcyd. Obvs the difference between LAMIST as a scumtell and LAMIST with me is that I play in a LAMIST way regardless of alignment, whereas for other players being LAMIST about things can be a genuine tell.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 429, Ydrasse wrote:
i don’t feel like fire is playing to their like… best capabilities right now and is falling back on being more social than actually solving? there’s a lot of the fun posts (and everyone should make fun posts from time to time)In post 399, Afrayed Knott wrote:In post 278, Ydrasse wrote: i haven’t been able to find anything really towny from fire, play feels kind of fluffy to me.
What do you mean by fluffy, this in itself sounds opportunistic to me to get on the wagonIn post 278, Ydrasse wrote: i haven’t been able to find anything really towny from fire, play feels kind of fluffy to me.
my expectations for a town fire are more than this, it is early but i think most games town fire would have down something explicitly towny to me. that hasn’t happened this game so therefore, wagon. wagon for 1000 years
Ok, can you point at anything that is not town Fire? as you say we all post fun posts, some of us get pulled up though for mentioning all they see is fun posts, but hey besides that anything?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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The Ydr/Meuh interchange says TvT to me. thats the feel I have reading it through once anyway.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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yeah, but no one has posted since... so not sure thats indicative of anything.In post 463, Meuh wrote: Fire did say he was bored in the hood 10 minutes before I started posting and then didn't show up, that deserves a vote at leastYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Hi, I’ll post later today hopefully, as I have a busy day ahead in the garden.
I have had a quick read through. Have some thoughts on a few things so hopefully I can get them down on paper. Chat later.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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oh I do. Why should it not be true?In post 490, Elements wrote: I think knott is town
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not one to overly defend someone, but why say it then?In post 510, Black wrote: I didn't say I wanted you faded right this instantYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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What are 546 547 548 about, I was sort of leaning scum on Dann, but not so much now. I suppose in relation to these posts. I'm not convince on the sincerity of the content from Ari or feel they are genuine thoughts.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Is it still this, or do you have a more solid reason?In post 558, fireisredsir wrote: my current vote is daisy
In post 480, fireisredsir wrote: if i were to guess id say it's daisy but i don't think i have good reasons for that, it's more of a gut thingYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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thats what I thought when I read her question to Fire, sort of confirms in my mind where Ari is playing. her interaction is off. Not sure she is actually in tune with the game.In post 559, Black wrote: He went over this in 480You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 575, Aristeia wrote: mb you're just much better at playing this game than I am because I can only think in straight lines
Would you say 562 and 564 are straight line thinking?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I like Black’s thought processes so far, in particular 599You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I'm still catching up, but I feel scum is with you or elements right and I am becoming convinced moreso its possibly youIn post 626, Aristeia wrote:
?In post 622, Afrayed Knott wrote: What are 546 547 548 about, I was sort of leaning scum on Dann, but not so much now. I suppose in relation to these posts. I'm not convince on the sincerity of the content from Ari or feel they are genuine thoughts.
why are you voting elements if you think my thoughts are fake? you know there can only be one mafia between me and elements at max right?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 606, Dannflor wrote: right now my most confident scum read is ari tbh and I’d prefer to just lim there even tho it’s small hood
is this through previous experience or her play here. I'm not reading her as town right now. but would be good to understand your thought processes if its her game here?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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