Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm trying to figure out if there's a good way to get hypo-innos out there but haven't come to anything conclusive

i think that a cop giving a hypo-inno each day will be kinda confusing when they flip given that they may have given several hypo-innos at that point but only one (at most) is true

i'm kinda thinking that a cop with a guilty should out it tho given that everyone is one-shot

There was a strategy of claiming cop/doctor (but not your night of empowerment) in the last game I played, but I made the argument against it that since scum know the setup they have little to lose and the only issue they may stumble across is going over the amount of one type of role that can physically be in the game. Problem is if we don’t implement this idea today and we lynch scum today the have complete camouflage from that aspect of that plan.
So I would consider this but only today, and only if someone can give a really good reason to.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw, I'm an informed townie. I know this game is single ball and the scum team is of 3 members. There are probably many 1-shot investigatives and many 1-shot protectors. I won't crumb/hint my role. Let's just call say I'm basically a VT starting D2 (and will still get shot anyway).

Signed: Dr.Monkey

It literally says this in the setup post.

"There are:
3 Mafia goons
4-6 Night-Specific Cops
4-6 Night-Specific Doctors
Mafia knows how exactly many cops and doctors exist, but not who they are nor when they have powers."

Mesmerizing

[Gamma Emerald]

i guess reaction tests are usually accompanied by votes i guess.

VOTE: gamma emerald i guess

...and ruined by the mark returning just as the test answers are being gone over.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Gamma Emerald]

That looks almost physically impossible tbh. Not quite but almost.

Penguin, has your meta changed since that mini normal from like two years ago? Say no, please.

That’s the one with the two ascetics where PP was Deputy right?

[Gamma Emerald]

I recall being in a game with PP and NM where NM was fairly active and was Town

[Gamma Emerald]

Until he says that I’m not giving him botd

[Gamma Emerald]

what do u think gamma's scum meta is?

idk.

There was a time when I used to read Gamma accurately.. until I rolled scum with him, and from then on I auto-SR his play and try my best not to lynch him until it's mechanically necessary because I know I am biased.

Was that cos of Varsoon Variety Hour
And there are ways to read me, but they don’t always work, a good example of an anomaly game would actually be, irony of ironies, the DoP YOU modded.
Like if you want pointers ask Infinity324 (if you can find him these days) or MariaR (whose hydra busted me in the aforementioned game)

[Gamma Emerald]

Oops I added something that muddled the post up
MariaR’s hydra caught me in Varsoon Variety Hour

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Care to backup your claim? I can't recall a game I've played with him where he was the top poster...ever.

I didn’t say top poster, I just said fairly active

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think gamma is town. Scum maybe trying to set him up as today's lynch pool. Seems like a stupid fight to pick with PP as scum and also it doesn't feel fake to me.

Scum pool: {implosion, carcalily, PP, hanshen, cmod, enigma} + A50 is a maybe.

I think it’s fairly early to make that sort of conclusion and implosion confess he was reaction testing me so *skeptical shrug*

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Care to backup your claim? I can't recall a game I've played with him where he was the top poster...ever.

I didn’t say top poster, I just said fairly active

Then how was what I said a lie? I said "I've never seen him say this much in any game" not "I've never seen him fairly active in any game."

Seems like you're walking it back now.

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

[Gamma Emerald]

the search results were confusing and i did not understand them

also the pokemon does not seem nice and why can we not vote dr monkey i mean i like dr monkey but i will still have to vote them if they are mafia

okay why is the penguin voting me i have not done anything

Who is the Pokémon?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay i do not know what is up with the pink pokemon because they do no seem very nice but then they post pooh bear?

so maybe they are not all that bad

i do like the green one not in a friend way but in the game way so i do not think they are mafia and i do not mean that i dont want to be friends with them i mean that i think they are town role

i also like dr monkey as town so maybe skitter too because of what dr monkey said but i will have to think more about that

and the other black pokemon seems bad

okay im not sure if they are a pokemon but they are Carcalilly and they are not town role

PLEASE USE NAMES

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
Well his Pokémon is miltank so pls call him that if you’re going to call multiple people pokemon

[Gamma Emerald]

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I assume Creature is the green Pokémon

[Gamma Emerald]

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

Technically he didn't call you a liar. he just said what you said was a lie.

Like, if I told you I have a dinosaur in my backyard I'd be lying, but if I said skitter does I'd probably be spreading a lie she told me but I'm not necessarily lying myself because maybe I believe her.

But then you did say

you

never saw BN_M this active, so you were reporting for yourself, so maybe he did call you a liar??

But then maybe you just forgot, so it wasn't an actual lie, bur rather a memory slip, so maybe he's not calling you a liar after all.

How's that for a silly conversation??

i was talking to dr monkey Creature and i mean the other pokemon and not you

also yes he is

also who is bn_m you mean n_m or miltank or does the b mean something?

okay i am voting for the black pokemon

Who’s the black Pokémon
And you don’t have a vote out rn

[Gamma Emerald]

A50 quote not meant to be there

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

In that game (which was three games btw...this is one) he had 8 posts at this point. 17% of the posts he currently has. He increase in posting didn't happen until near endgame.

So, that was enough for you to scream that I'm a liar and vote me?

No, I misremembered his activity that game.
And I don’t think I ever walked anything back but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't agree with PP I think this is actually more indicative of town!NM. Not that I'm super confident of that.

Creature is probably town. Likely skitter and spaghetti also. I am holding off on townreading A50 for now.

Sorry I didn't post earlier I forgot this game already started. I haven't memorized the name/number yet.

I don't like carcalilly's start but then again it seems very ballsy as scum. But having an issue with the implosion votes was really odd.
VOTE: carcalilly

Wishy-washy as hell, in a bad way (actively leaving himself room to flip).
Follows consensus townreads, but says he is "holding off townreading A50" as though the consensus is right about him, but he doesn't want to admit that yet.
Carcalilly's start is scummy but then again it isn't but then again it is. He's scum who wants to call someone scum without drawing that person's ire.
The NM townread also reads poorly, like he wants it to be known that he's going against someone else's opinion and is having original thoughts.

Yeah I think gamma is town. Scum maybe trying to set him up as today's lynch pool. Seems like a stupid fight to pick with PP as scum and also it doesn't feel fake to me.

This line just pings me in so many ways.
"Yeah I think gamma is town" just feels like quintessential scum phrasing.
"Scum maybe trying to set him up as today's lynch pool" is a ridiculous thing to say and as far as I can tell makes literally no sense unless both me and Penguin are scum. Scum don't pick a person on page 8 and say "you know, let's make sure *this* person is in the lynch pool" in a coordinated way, that just isn't how the game of mafia is usually played in practice, and I find it hard to believe that this is a thought that BuJaber genuinely had about the state of the game. Even if he thinks it was only one of us it's just overwrought.

I think I’m also of the mind that Bu’s defense of me probably indicates scum. It feels awfully contrived for saying “I don’t think scum does that”.
VOTE: BuJaber

[Gamma Emerald]

can we like just ignore NM

No
He’s fun

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

[Gamma Emerald]

yes but i do not know peoples names yet so for now i use nick names or there picture as them

black pokemon has black pokemon picture they are Carcalilly and that is who i am voting it was a mistake that i said pokemon with no color the first time because i did not know there was alot of pokemon and i already said sorry for that so there is not a need to be meen about it and say it every time

there is too many pokemon!

Carcalilly is a mouse but not a Pokémon.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

[Gamma Emerald]

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

[Gamma Emerald]

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

That's what people said in civ mafia.

And if I recall you were one of very few people that didn't scumread me in day 1. Yet here you are.
Guess failure to meta read someone goes both ways.

How was your logic contrived in that game? And even then, your logic at this point is trying to push me+implosion because “Gamma changed my read on him which makes implosion possibly town, so they could be scum together”. That is some major mental gymnastics. How would I know that you would consider implosion town after that? In fact you just assuming we’re scum together is a red flag because that requires multiple assumptions. Plus there’s the fact I put myself in the spotlight. If you think I was saving him do you not think there were better options?

[Gamma Emerald]

Code: Select all

[vote]person[/vote]

This is how you vote

[Gamma Emerald]

no teacher i am not not voting i am voting lilly i said that

For your vote to be counted you need to type:

[ b ] v o t e : player [ / b ]

OR

[ v ] player [ / v ]

P.S. Remove the spaces in both examples
P.S.2 there is also a vote tag if you are quoting or previewing that will automatically insert the [ vote ] [ /vote ] tags and you just type the player name in between, but I don't want to confuse you more, so just use [ v ] [ / v ] and type the name in between

You explained in 100 words what I explained in 5. Nicely done

[Gamma Emerald]

when i click CODE: SELECT ALL it puts me at the top of the page i will just copy paste what dr monkey said and

vote:playerlilly

You can’t copy code
The stuff in brackets is actually a BBcode tag you can use if you press preview when posting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lovebird + Spaghetti

why tho

[Gamma Emerald]

>Discovers what the heads of Music and Mail are
>Incoherently screams like a bird

[Gamma Emerald]

RC and Postie
I react that way for 2 reasons
1: this is the third straight running of this setup RC has been in
2: RC and Postie have an...interesting dynamic. I’ll find something that should explain it better than I could

[Gamma Emerald]

I checked another game they were in, I’m correct

[Gamma Emerald]

This is from the 2018 Team Mafia White Flag game
As you can see, Postie essentially followed RC’s guidance that game (starting d2 but that’s beside the point). This has become a meme and I think maybe given this hydra existing it may have been a meme beforehand.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well it's a big fucking deal, if this is NAI for you then my TR on you is unfounded. You drop down to a nullread, the case on implosion falls apart because you might be scum, the SR on PP is slightly weakened because it is solely limited to his NM push now.

You just invalidated everything I did this game.
The only silver lining is you linked yourself to implosion (and slightly to PP). So at least if one of you flips scum the other is confscum.

I hope you're underestimating your own scumgame.

Updates: A50 town. Imp null. Gamma + skitter possible scum. (too many people voting me this early.. 100% 1+ is scum and since the wagon will probably dissipate for being an early one they think they'll be safe from scrutiny)

i read this like four times and i don't follow. implosion is scum for pushing town!gamma but what gamma did is nai (and thus gamma might be scum) so implosion isn't scummy for that anymore but if gamma is scum then implosion is too?

so you thus have a nullread on implosion even though he's scummy irregardless of gamma's alignment?

and what do i have to do with this and how am i scummier? and how did a50 become town here?

==

also i think carca may be town but i'm not sure; her playstyle is the sort that i have trouble reading

Creature, you, and gamma have sll played with me before yet all 3 of you are scumreading me.

Carca who has never played with me before is townreading me.

You don't find that suspicious?

uh no?

why should i trust carca's read more than gamma's/mine/creature's?

==

How on earth do you guys talk so much in the space of 2 days xD haha
I feel like a lot of what people is saying and their reads and stuff are based on knowledge of players themselves and there seems to be a lot of filler stuff with no actual talk (like memes and big bold texts) stuff that to me is screaming out 'notice me senpai' see how much I'm contributing

meh entrance

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Unless you're going off of some notion that I should have been townreading gamma at that point but the new information you got made it so that I shouldn't have been townreading gamma, which I have even more problems with.

Exactly. I don't see what the problem is.

I thought I was right about gamma. So it looked like you wanted to lynch a townie. But now it's gamma himself that defended you so it's different.

If he had not said anything then it follows that if he flips town you'd be scum because then I'd be correct that you voted a townie for vague meta reasons.

this feels very black and white to me; it's an entirely possible that a townie can vote a townie for vague meta reasons

==

rc if you make this game a shitshow i'm replacing out

==

i think carca may be town

==

skitter needs to post just a little bit more

i'm v/la on fridays and saturdays

==

i can't really understand spaghetti's posts; his last post at least contains some game-related content

==

This feels like town!NM

have you correctly read him in the past?

This post actually helped me figure out why the read on me+implosion pings me so much
Thx skitter

[Gamma Emerald]

Lovebird or Music and Mail are the lynches

Explain?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lovebird or Music and Mail are the lynches

You're not lynching me in a game with this many cops.
I think the logical thing to do is say that if I'm alive to D4, any D4 cops target me. If none of them claim with an inno on D5, all D5 cops target me

HELL no. You are not directing roles like that. And I think you have enough experience with the setup that letting you make commands like this is a bad idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

If we're copping me D1 we're also setting docs on me or we're just not doing it.

You are not going to act as a functional lightning rod, no fucking way

[Gamma Emerald]

If we're copping me D1 we're also setting docs on me or we're just not doing it.

You are not going to act as a functional lightning rod, no fucking way

OK, then don't scumread me for stupid reasons.

I wasn’t doing that

[Gamma Emerald]

scum topic, clearly?
I just remembered that this game has no daychat for scum but that doesn't change my concern that her questioning him and not me is a TMI read.

I was going to question you on this but you are aware of the thing I thought you weren’t
I want to give townpoints for that tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh goody. I mean but I get to say a lot of stuff here.

I’m thinking this Postie head?

[Gamma Emerald]

a50 is scum and implosion is scum and I wouldn't be surprised if gamma was the third.

That's the most ridiculous scum team I have seen in a while, bro.

I accept being suspected (and especially by you. remember that beginners game off-site where you and doggo had me SRd for no good reason and we ended up losing it bc of your tunneling?). The point is NOT to show you don't know how to read me as much as it is to show it's normal for me to be SR by you anyway.

My problem here is you're calling out the people I do TR. None of skitter, implosion or creature comes even close to being a SR to me right now, and to convince me otherwise would actually need you to provide a real case w.o. shouting out hysterically to lynch X "bc they're scum".

Can we please play a game of Mafia and not one of

Scott Pilgrim

RadiantCowbells vs the World? My name is not Chesskid; and as such I don't enjoy the way you two did in the competition game.

That said, I am leaning towards your slot being town here. Is it anything solid? Absolutely not. Do I want to lynch you today? The answer is definitely not. We can probably work together to solve this game, but you need to calm down and take your time to develop real reads.. or not!

Oh does transcend still play elsewhere? I dunno if I want to avoid him or find him and kick his ass for large 210
As for RC’s scumreads I’d at least like to know how they relate to each other?

[Gamma Emerald]

Postie is busy with RL stuff and won't be posting that much if at all but you can pass on messages to her from me and I'm passing on anything she says.

Well I doubt I’ll have much to say unless she has something to say herself and I’m responding to that

[Gamma Emerald]

Having me sorted later in the game ups the odds of you not having to sort me at all because of scum nightkill.
Having me sorted earlier in the game means leashing most-all of the doctors onto protecting me.

with all due respect
no one but you cares as much as you do about ensuring your survival, and i'm sure you'll agree that stepping out of the frame of knowing you're town, having you sorted by a cop early would be pretty handy. I'm not necessarily advocating for that (I don't think it's a good idea at a glance to do anything to try to lead PRs around in this setup) but it's by no means bad from a neutral perspective.

99% of what skitter has said in the past 2 pages reads town to me, with the exception of a line that I think I had been misreading and can't even find on rereading where I thought she was townreading rc in a weird way and I'm not gonna try to keep finding it. I very much buy the way she's insisting this is outside her scumrange. I think most players who commonly talk about themselves as being easy to read are basically incapable of faking the "there's no way I can do this as scum" types of exchanges and it doesn't look bad to me at a glance.

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm a little tempted to start BoP'ing rc though. But that can come in a few days if he keeps this up.

How is this play by RC worth a BoP read?

[Gamma Emerald]

Investigate me.

Now that I am conftown or soon to be

VOTE: Implosion

Sheep conftown tytyty

I second the motion to have CreativeMod investigate M&M.

[Gamma Emerald]

This is quickly turning into a commentary on various forms of government.

How???
This is such a ridiculous tangent it feels like misdirection

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah those responses don’t do much to convince me you’re Town
VOTE: implosion

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact that you're scumreading 567 is ridiculous to the point where it doesn't merit a response.

What's your issue with the other response?

I don’t think having an off read is something that necessitates a BoP lynch. It warrants skepticism yes, but autolynching for that is a bad call. Me and MariaR have a good history of reading each other but MariaR also has a precedent of messing up sometimes, that doesn’t mean she’s scum for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

It looks like that’s what you’re calling for

[Gamma Emerald]

I know what you wrote

[Gamma Emerald]

So? I made that comment with that in mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

D2 onwards we'll have a bunch of mechanical stuff that will influence the lynches.

Why was this not in the previous post?

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature have you ever tried as scum?
If no...
When you do can I spectate the game? That first time you do it will be bonkers.

He has
He almost won but he got screwed by mechanics

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a reason to scumread skitter but it's reallly wifomy and fourth-wall-breaking...

With pick your power ending, she really genuinenly sounds like she's tired from playing scum. If she got scum here I think she'd want to replace out but I think she knows that if she replaces out she'll be autolynched so she's staying in but cutting down on how much she posts.

Plus as I said really believe at least one vote on my wagon was scum.

Could be possible
I remember when I played with Ranmaru the first time they had a streak of rolling scum and were tired of it

[Gamma Emerald]

I was about to comment that M&M voting A50 conflicts with their current agenda but they just stated that’s not their preferred vote

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow this wagon on me looks shitty

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure, let's vote Gamma for now then.

VOTE: Gamma

@everyone else for reasons that I can't really put words to I kinda think Penguin is more likely to be town than not so I'm not going to support that lynch or allow it to happen.
I think that Gamma and A50 are scum together a very large percentage of the time and I think Gamma is an amazing lynch today, while I would also support Carca or Lovebird as tertiary options, Carca preferred.
Can we talk about our reads on Gamma/Carca?

This vote I don’t take issue with

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

Neat.

I'm willing to swing Gamma potentially because I don't think I've actually ever seen him as scum. At least I can certainly be persuaded on it. I don't know how reading him works.

This however is pure horseshit. Just because he has no meta of scum!me he’s willing to follow onto the read, without even saying much wrt actual meta thoughts on me. And even with that he isn’t voting, which feels like he is testing the waters.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just said your vote wasn’t sketchy

[Gamma Emerald]

I think all scum are getting a D1 free pass.

Ok sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I was trying to find the post where you and implosion exchabge opinions on gamma's meta and agree together and vote him together to show you why I don't really buy that you could be TvT.

But I apparently imagined all that.

So now you're only scummy for pushing NM and for being the wagon with the most townreads on it.
Implosion is scummy for his push on gamma and then for being one of the votes on me.
Gamma is scummy for soft defended implosion and his push on me.
Skitter VLA gives her a lot of benefit of the doubt.. but statistically at least one of the votes on me was scum so she has to be in the pool.

I'm lynching one of those.
PP let's talk some more tomorrow if you're town there's a chance I'll be able to see it.

Or you can take a shortcut and vote for implo and I'll switch over (sheeping random people without explanation is much more likely to come from town than scum. And I could tell you this and if you do it you would still be more likely to be town than scum imo - it just looks so terrible that scum wouldn't do it lest they have to keep answering it for it the whole game).

Because I don't care about RC's fake push. Didn't change my mind on Imp.

Pedit.. ehhh I'll answer in a separate post

Still with the “gamma soft defended implosion” nonsense
Do you really think I would have planned you having that exact reaction to me refuting you meta on me? Bitch I don’t know your life!

[Gamma Emerald]

Good bujaber <3

Fine I'll VOTE: gamma but only because there's a chance RC gets confirmed soon and if he does get confirmed maybe I can trust his imp read for the time being.

Which he flipped for no reason

[Gamma Emerald]

@gmma - Why would my reaction make a difference though?

You stating you weren't outside your scumrange makes imp look better regardless of my reaction.

How would I think that? Yes me saying this in my scum range means implosion’s post isn’t outlandish, in fact if I hadn’t caught the reaction test I would have agreed. I considered post this when I’d gotten to that point catching up but decided against it because it felt unneeded, I guess I was wrong.
And FYI I’m NOT saying that’s a point for implosion being Town. I mean it should be clear given I’m voting him, but I don’t trust you to get that.
I feel like there’s more to say on this matter but I can’t finf the words rn so I’ll leave it at this for now

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I’m like 70% on Carcalilly being Town
Will explain later if anyone cares

[Gamma Emerald]

I do want to make sure everyone is on the same page with regards to the night plan at this point: if CM1 dies, we 100% snap lynch music & mail, no questions asked. If music & mail dies, we 100% snap lynch Almost50, no questions asked. There are no objections to either of those, right? Just want them to be very explicit.

No objections from me there, mate.

No objections either, sir.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoa, check? Did creative claim a pr or something?

He claimed n1 cop
Everyone is a PR or scum though FYI so don’t let a PR claim shake your read

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoa, check? Did creative claim a pr or something?

I'll be damned if this isn't S.C.U.M

Welp ur going to hell

[Gamma Emerald]

In fact given what scum would know seeing the mafia PT I’d call that a possible townslip

[Gamma Emerald]

In fact given what scum would know seeing the mafia PT I’d call that a possible townslip

This isn’t the newbie queue. Townslip...

I’m 100% serious here. Mafia would implicitly know every town is a PR, thus making that a moot question

[Gamma Emerald]

Carcalilly can read right? It’s not like she can’t see the fact the amount of town PRs is POSTED IN THE MAFIA PT.
This jeopardizes my townread on you because having modded this exact setup you should know this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol pp just linked what I was gonna post

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma when you're town in a game with rc how likely are you to sheep him?

Pretty unlikely, even if I townread RC I don’t trust them to be rational enough to be worthy of sheeping.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is CM1’s alignment being question in the first place, and by whom?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so the CM1 alignment discussion was just an echo chamber thing

[Gamma Emerald]

I am sheeping not mafia because I like his name and have read literally nothing. Why is whoever I voted unworthy of my most gloripus and beautiful of votes?

VOTE: penguin power

I have concluded that this is not just the best vote this day but the best vote in all days and in all games

Prove me wrong

i would guess that your'e an a50 gimmick alt but he's in the game so

is this in any way a serious vote?

My best guess
brassherald alt

[Gamma Emerald]

At dinner now I will catch up more later

Or maybe not depending on what brass’ timezone is

[Gamma Emerald]

If M&M is scum, likely so is Nic Cage.

:fry:
Elaborate

[Gamma Emerald]

If M&M is scum, likely so is Nic Cage.

:fry:
Elaborate

Maybe when M&M flips scum.

I remembered who Nick replaced so I don’t need that answered any more

[Gamma Emerald]

okay but they just admitted that they were mafia so you shouldnt think of them as town anymore

How?

[Gamma Emerald]

Before I get into the quote wall, a lot of my scumread here isn't things that are easy to put words to because it's largely what's

missing

as opposed to what's

present

in their ISO that makes me scumread them. I'll do my best to refer to the things in this ISO specifically that I think are obviously scum because I think they are genuinely obvious scum purely on stuff that's present, but even with all the scummy shit in their iso there's still oodles more that I can't put words to. Like Maria I am well versed in Gamma Emerald meta having played a metric ton of games with him and him having been present in like, more than half of all of my modded games on site so this is a read that I put a great deal of faith in. He also knows that and should therefore have a great deal of faith in my ability to read him, but when I call him scum he doesn't call me scum for it he just tries to deflect me and push on other people. When he's town he flips the fuck out when I scumread him.

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald

So I would consider this but only today, and only if someone can give a really good reason to.

This is a scummy phrasing for reasons that you'll have to take my word on. I don't expect yall to get much mileage on this, but it's a thing that exists

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Gamma jumps on PP hot because of a point where he claims that they're lying about N_M's meta, something I would expect town them to feel very strongly about-

I recall being in a game with PP and NM where NM was fairly active and was Town

Until he says that I’m not giving him botd

-a bunch of quotes where Gamma does NOT talk about the lie but that I'm not C/Ping in for the sake of brevity

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Care to backup your claim? I can't recall a game I've played with him where he was the top poster...ever.

I didn’t say top poster, I just said fairly active

Then how was what I said a lie? I said "I've never seen him say this much in any game" not "I've never seen him fairly active in any game."

Seems like you're walking it back now.

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

Gamma Emerald jumped him at the start for lying but then when it came down to it it became more of a question of 'proving himself right' and saying that he's not giving PP benefit of the doubt unless he changes their read, calls PP out for reacting to being called a liar by asking him if he's going to get into a 'fight over nitpicks', and then at the end argues on an intellectual level that it should create reasonable doubt in his lockscum read of NM. This is

not

the reaction of Town!Gamma who thinks that PP lied. There's no effort to push on him, just to argue the 'correctness' of his position and no teeth behind any sort of push into PP. In the end he even backs right off and is put on the defensive. He's not interested in anything from PP besides defusing the argument.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

In that game (which was three games btw...this is one) he had 8 posts at this point. 17% of the posts he currently has. He increase in posting didn't happen until near endgame.

So, that was enough for you to scream that I'm a liar and vote me?

No, I misremembered his activity that game.
And I don’t think I ever walked anything back but w/e

He's defending himself to the person that he called a liar in big font like he believed in it. That's not town, that's scum Gamma who doesn't actually want to have this fight with PP.

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

"way of explaining it was rather roundabout"
"still reads contrived, lack a sufficient counter"
"more convoluted logic"

this isn't how town describes their scumreads, this is how scum describe people that they know are town that they're pushing on.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

That's what people said in civ mafia.

And if I recall you were one of very few people that didn't scumread me in day 1. Yet here you are.
Guess failure to meta read someone goes both ways.

How was your logic contrived in that game? And even then, your logic at this point is trying to push me+implosion because “Gamma changed my read on him which makes implosion possibly town, so they could be scum together”. That is some major mental gymnastics. How would I know that you would consider implosion town after that? In fact you just assuming we’re scum together is a red flag because that requires multiple assumptions. Plus there’s the fact I put myself in the spotlight. If you think I was saving him do you not think there were better options?

This post is truly scummy to the point of people not realizing that it's scum being essentially unforgivable.

I refuse to put detail to it, if you don't see it you gotta get better.

scum topic, clearly?
I just remembered that this game has no daychat for scum but that doesn't change my concern that her questioning him and not me is a TMI read.

I was going to question you on this but you are aware of the thing I thought you weren’t
I want to give townpoints for that tbh

Why give me townpoints for not remembering that scum have no daychat? If anything the fact that I've played this TWICE and didn't remember it suggests that I'm scum pretending I don't.

This is quickly turning into a commentary on various forms of government.

How???
This is such a ridiculous tangent it feels like misdirection

Yeah those responses don’t do much to convince me you’re Town
VOTE: implosion

Something something not how town talk about their scumreads, how scum talk about town that they are pushing on.

Having me sorted later in the game ups the odds of you not having to sort me at all because of scum nightkill.
Having me sorted earlier in the game means leashing most-all of the doctors onto protecting me.

with all due respect
no one but you cares as much as you do about ensuring your survival, and i'm sure you'll agree that stepping out of the frame of knowing you're town, having you sorted by a cop early would be pretty handy. I'm not necessarily advocating for that (I don't think it's a good idea at a glance to do anything to try to lead PRs around in this setup) but it's by no means bad from a neutral perspective.

99% of what skitter has said in the past 2 pages reads town to me, with the exception of a line that I think I had been misreading and can't even find on rereading where I thought she was townreading rc in a weird way and I'm not gonna try to keep finding it. I very much buy the way she's insisting this is outside her scumrange. I think most players who commonly talk about themselves as being easy to read are basically incapable of faking the "there's no way I can do this as scum" types of exchanges and it doesn't look bad to me at a glance.

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm a little tempted to start BoP'ing rc though. But that can come in a few days if he keeps this up.

How is this play by RC worth a BoP read?

Gamma Emerald is familiar enough with people threatening to BoP me that this question doesn't have to happen, he'd start with the meat of why it doesn't need to happen in this instance.

The fact that you're scumreading 567 is ridiculous to the point where it doesn't merit a response.

What's your issue with the other response?

I don’t think having an off read is something that necessitates a BoP lynch. It warrants skepticism yes, but autolynching for that is a bad call. Me and MariaR have a good history of reading each other but MariaR also has a precedent of messing up sometimes, that doesn’t mean she’s scum for it.

He is voting Implosion and therefore agrees with me that he's scum, correct? So why is he arguing to his scumread that I shouldn't be BoP lynched for incorrectly scumreading him if he thinks that he's scum and that I'm town?

Sure, let's vote Gamma for now then.

VOTE: Gamma

@everyone else for reasons that I can't really put words to I kinda think Penguin is more likely to be town than not so I'm not going to support that lynch or allow it to happen.
I think that Gamma and A50 are scum together a very large percentage of the time and I think Gamma is an amazing lynch today, while I would also support Carca or Lovebird as tertiary options, Carca preferred.
Can we talk about our reads on Gamma/Carca?

This vote I don’t take issue with

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

Neat.

I'm willing to swing Gamma potentially because I don't think I've actually ever seen him as scum. At least I can certainly be persuaded on it. I don't know how reading him works.

This however is pure horseshit. Just because he has no meta of scum!me he’s willing to follow onto the read, without even saying much wrt actual meta thoughts on me. And even with that he isn’t voting, which feels like he is testing the waters.

That ridiculous comment on A50 is SvS so much of the time and the fact that implo and myself are probably town means that there's likely 1 scum being addressed of the 3.

Good bujaber <3

Fine I'll VOTE: gamma but only because there's a chance RC gets confirmed soon and if he does get confirmed maybe I can trust his imp read for the time being.

Which he flipped for no reason

Another just this is a scum reaction and if you don't see it you won't see it.

Btw I’m like 70% on Carcalilly being Town
Will explain later if anyone cares

Why? I mean this makes most sense as SvS imo but.

gamma when you're town in a game with rc how likely are you to sheep him?

Pretty unlikely, even if I townread RC I don’t trust them to be rational enough to be worthy of sheeping.

I feel like if I actually cared I could crush your logic like a paper cup, maybe I'll do that later but I will say I think you're making assumptions, like when you say a50 is probably scum out of you/a50/implo in that wagon scan thing I did, rule of 3 does not work that way

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes.

Help me bus Gamma.

he literally claimed scum tho

wait

he claimed scum WITH A PARTNER (gamma)

That's sarcasm
I can forgive Spaghett because he's new but you pushing that as a serious post is shady as shit

[Gamma Emerald]

Amusingly both Gamma and Carcalilly's first reaction was to argue against the train of thought that you would be their third which might actually indicate that you're not. It's pretty spicy.

I did this when?

[Gamma Emerald]

Bro I'm helping

confirmed scum

Penguin Power bus. There's nothing shady about helping a good friend of mine bus their buddy. What's wrong with you?

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TAKING A 100% NON SERIOUS POST AND TREATING IT AS SERIOUS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU tumut

[Gamma Emerald]

like when you say a50 is probably scum out of you/a50/implo in that wagon scan thing I did, rule of 3 does not work that way

lol no you were pushing us way before then so that doesn't work

[Gamma Emerald]

???

are you implying that the great PENGUIN POWER would claim scum as town?

I think not, heathen.

get yourself gone from my presence thou scumfuck.

No. When I flip town, never say you can read me again you egotistical fuckface.

[Gamma Emerald]

REPLACE OUT

I'm not playing a game where everyone has a pair of underpants on their head

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma please stay

Do you promise not to treat posts that are typically made facetiously as Word of God?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma please stay

Do you promise not to treat posts that are typically made facetiously as Word of God?

I didn't think they were ever serious posts, I was just meming.

okay fine I'll stay
as for thinking me/A50/Carca are a team I mean things you called associatives do look like that on surface level
but some of them are just not exactly correct. Like when I called A50's weird vote town: that's because I know he has a weirdness factor that can come out, and I felt like factoring that in it was a town vote. A50's response solidifies this, as I have reacted with OMGUS as scum to him voting me in the past, so it makes a lot of sense he'd push me again and see if I reacted similarly.
BTW I saw you asking "why" to my Carca read? Was that a serious inquiry into the read? Either way I will say it's based on meta.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, Carca's and Gamma's votes are bad.

As opposed to skitter and BuJaber whhhhyyyy?

[Gamma Emerald]

Bro I'm helping

confirmed scum

Penguin Power bus. There's nothing shady about helping a good friend of mine bus their buddy. What's wrong with you?

Even if this is sarcasm it’s scummy af

Okay no it’s not
Yeah I’m gonna read that case posthaste

[Gamma Emerald]

When I claimed you guys were a scumteam my level of certainty was like 20% btw.
But I felt like the reactions would be v telling

you really should have said that before jesus

They didn’t though
for reactions.
DO YOU GET IT?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll only claim at l-1 for good reasons

also penguin who are you sheeping

What makes you think a claim would save you
Everyone’s either PR or scum, a PR claim doesn’t help you (unless it’s a weird circumstance)

[Gamma Emerald]

getting waffle stomped down the lynch drain again but what I really dislike is how everyone is just completely gonna ignore M&M because we’ll cop them anyway

this is a literal scumclaim again btw
'ignore M&M because we'll cop them anyway'
like if I was scum getting copped I'd get lynched
this spews that she knows that I'm town and is still frustrated with the fact that I'm not gonna be lynchable, so scum

Not how I read that but okay
I feel like other recent Carca posts are scummy
VOTE: Carcalilly

L-1

[Gamma Emerald]

Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

you know that you still love me (in spite of me being a scum butt)
note that I do not in fact love this user, please don't aristophanes me

That’s not the kind of love Carca meant

[Gamma Emerald]

well since i already called u out on night 1 you chose the next night

good for you carcalilly, good strategic planning

Lol this made me think of something I heard of months ago
There’s a tale where a prisoner on death row is told he’ll be executed on a specific week but he won’t know which day, he uses logic to determine it couldn’t be any day, and then they execute him on some day (I think it was the last one)
I’m pretty sure I told that wrong actually but it’s not like I’m trying to tell it to tell it

[Gamma Emerald]

when ellitool was all the rage I designed my own. I used it on exactly 6 people, Implosion is one of them. what makes him scum is the overappearance of certain words in his ISO.

Huh, how do you even do that
Anyone else I’d know that you used Ellitool on?

well since i already called u out on night 1 you chose the next night

good for you carcalilly, good strategic planning

Lol this made me think of something I heard of months ago
There’s a tale where a prisoner on death row is told he’ll be executed on a specific week but he won’t know which day, he uses logic to determine it couldn’t be any day, and then they execute him on some day (I think it was the last one)
I’m pretty sure I told that wrong actually but it’s not like I’m trying to tell it to tell it

wasnt it on a Wednesday in the end

Idfk
But for me, it was Tuesday (virtual high five if you get the reference)

[Gamma Emerald]

jk that ain't me

it would be nice if i could say that.

Wait you didn’t use Ellitool?

[Gamma Emerald]

I just made that up because it allows me to get the lynch without effort but I wouldn't disgrace my name by saying that I cheated even just to get a scumlynch through.

And yet you fake guilties? Like that’s not as bad a lie tbh. I had someone fake meta on me once to lynch me, and all that I did was give them a stern talking-to

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it possible for all scum to be in

PP
Spaghettioso
Nicholas Cage
NM

with

MM
Bujaber
Implo
Skitter
Almost50
Gamma
Carca
Creature
Creativemod1

all town?

From the last DoP, I don’t think a newb like Spaghett plays like this as scum
He has level of greenness to him

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma what do you think about the game rn

I think that you haven’t done enough to clear yourself yet
Like everyone backed off of you after your reaction to the fakehammer, I wouldn’t lockscum you for it but it’s not clearing in any sense

[Gamma Emerald]

lmfao

I’m curious what changed your read

Is this to me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Bro I'm helping

confirmed scum

Penguin Power bus. There's nothing shady about helping a good friend of mine bus their buddy. What's wrong with you?

Even if this is sarcasm it’s scummy af

This is axiomatic in a way I feel is scummy. It feels like hiding behind a principle.

When I claimed you guys were a scumteam my level of certainty was like 20% btw.
But I felt like the reactions would be v telling

you really should have said that before jesus

This just didn’t feel like a thing Town would say here. Town imo would be more understanding of what RC was doing.

I also don't think the replace out like -necessarily- makes Gamma town, I do think it makes it worth lynching Carcasilly first though.

I like how throwing tantrums is apparently half a towntell for you. Not.

Im pretty sure you had a townread on me, so why are you discrediting a townread on me?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think those responses are decent
Yeah that’s enough to alleviate my core suspicion
VOTE: implosion
Also willing to vote BuJaber. I have a feeling those 2 could be buddies.

[Gamma Emerald]

wh4t

Huh???

[Gamma Emerald]

what sudden implosion change rc's read on me has been consistent from minute one

Either you have memory loss or you’re lying

[Gamma Emerald]

No it was actually a right game situation I was just saying what to the whole implo/bujaber scumteam which does me a big confuse frand.

Btw on this; I’d had this feeling for a while but I think Bu’s janky read on me+implosion could be trying to tie me to implosion

[Gamma Emerald]

postie has a very, very strong opinion that Spoogh is faking their newness which I agree with, I just did'nt necessarily think it made them scum until I ran out of other scumreads.

I missed this due to responding to other things
Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: music and mail

real vote, not just an 'i'm annoyed with you' vote

No
I think their waffling is genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

okay is RC someone because i do not see them are they m and m?

RC = M&M yes

[Gamma Emerald]

okay thank you gamma but why do people not just call them m and m why always rc? it is confusing but now i know so it should be less confusing

also could somebody teach me how to quote people because i do not know and it is annoying

Because it’s what they’re more commonly known as and since that the main person posting there’s little reason to use the hydra name

[Gamma Emerald]

Why must one of his friends be scum
And what criterion are you using to determine who is a friend

[Gamma Emerald]

Those don’t have similar meaning in any way

[Gamma Emerald]

PP would you be upset with me if I voted for you?

What if we go back to the gamma bus

I could do that. I don't like 1407.

A bare bones informative post.
SUUUUUUURE.

[Gamma Emerald]

please just trust me to be able to win this game for you as conftown.

Yes lets all just sit back and watch you win the game

that makes the game sh*t for everyone else, that's not how I roll

I gotta go offline now, I'm not checking you, but I want discussion from everyone on who I should check

I just noticed your signature: nice.

[Gamma Emerald]

But on a serious note if you’re going to break from the plan I don’t see why you’re still asking for input

[Gamma Emerald]

Same as when one hydra head flakes and the hydra is replaced with the active head of the two.

Examples please? This is a foreign request for me, so I'm trying to process it in a manner that is fair to the gamestate (which A50 not AP has been playing) but also allows everybody including you to have fun. If such substitution is done on MS, that will help me resolve the request.

I can provide examples, especially of the hydra thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh this game's stuck on my ego.

tf

[Gamma Emerald]

NC I want your whole readlist and a couple reasons on anyone that isn’t PP

[Gamma Emerald]

I understood what NC meant until you guys word saladed all over it
Gz

[Gamma Emerald]

NC I want your whole readlist and a couple reasons on anyone that isn’t PP

PP

-- stated reasons

Carca

-- The reaction to fake hammer didn't blow me away with towniness but I'm also having a kinda hard time seeing it as scummy
Null defaults to townlean: A50, Bujaber, GE -- liked a few things but need to read full iso

Creature, N_M

-- I like these both as town a lot

Still working on my read: Creativemod, Spoog, Skitter, implosion
Should be sorted tonight and I can't keep up with his posts: M&M

pedit: oh ok I guess there's like 10 new posts while I was typing this up...

Cool
I wanted this so you didn’t peace out of the thread with just one stance taken

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that’s a pretty good case on skitter when it’s all put together tbh
VOTE: skitter30
A50 wants it
M&M wants it
I want it
Where doing this mane
Were majing this hapen

[Gamma Emerald]

okay nick cage has 4 votes i think if i read correctly and have not missed anything

also am i the only one who thinks that penguin did not need to claim and did so stupidly?

i can understand by night 1 people will claim because they can use their role 100% but if you claim before your day then people might kill you and your ability is wasted!

Where did PP claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm don’t like the outrage given he’s the Open listmod and would know a claim wouldn’t really do anything for him

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm don’t like the outrage given he’s the Open listmod and would know a claim wouldn’t really do anything for him

What does this mean?

I’m saying 1574 looks fake

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm don’t like the outrage given he’s the Open listmod and would know a claim wouldn’t really do anything for him

This is kind of a weird thing to say.

You don't buy the

outrage

because as the open listmod he should know it's not a smart thing to do.

Isn't that the whole point of outrage?

No
I’m saying he looks outraged at being forced to claim and acts like he’s so important when as Open listmod he should know he’s really not.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s one way of saying it

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what skitter that’s a really good point
Still think the points on you are solid tho

[Gamma Emerald]

@CM1

I’d like it if you put down a vote somewhere as you haven’t done so at all yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

sure?

Sure what.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also
VOTE: PenguinPower
If this flips scum, CM investigates who ever he likes, because we’re autolynching RC Day 2 in that case.

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter isn't getting lynched Gamma, and you're calling out Penguin but not voting there.
I think that's interesting. I think it's very likely that you're scum with one of the two in the 1v1 and keeping your vote out of it.

I wrote that post before I saw this
But hey now it’s your turn to put your money where your mouth is.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also
VOTE: PenguinPower
If this flips scum, CM investigates who ever he likes, because we’re autolynching RC Day 2 in that case.

??????????????????
????????????????????
???????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

did you just get scared when I called out the scumteam?

Nope
You’ve been softpuahing PP a lot and I’m calling your bluff

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't have to do anything. I'm getting copped.
I can simply sit and observe.

Oh no you’re not, Not if PP flips scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Also
VOTE: PenguinPower
If this flips scum, CM investigates who ever he likes, because we’re autolynching RC Day 2 in that case.

this is the single scummiest post that I have seen in my entire mafia playing career. congratulations for having made it, gamma.

Yawn
Go ahead and hide behind your superlatives that are quite subjective and definitively wrong
Won’t stop me from lynching your scum butt

[Gamma Emerald]

if you flip town you can lynch me then gamma, sounds like a plan, hmm?

Excellent plan.

[Gamma Emerald]

Carcalilly: Vote PenguinPower
==>
where doing this man
WHERE MAKING THIS HAPEN

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma please stay

Do you promise not to treat posts that are typically made facetiously as Word of God?

TYPICALLY

Yawn
Trying to paint shit as scummy when it REALLY isn’t I see

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok that just made me chuckle
I haven’t seen something that glorious since The Thing Mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nicholas Cage

Holy wow the dodge is insane

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so reads wise, I feel like M&M is town so I’m not gonna bother with the check on that and I’m gonna check A50
If A50 is town then A50 protect M&M and M&M protect me

Is that a lynch now on penguin?

You check one of M&M/me/implosion

[Gamma Emerald]

OK i can run with that. that's strictly worse than checking me because I'm 100% sure that I'd have figured out that skitter was town if she stopped calling me scum every ten seconds but
here's my big question to everyone in the game. I think NM is town, like, most of the time-ish. enough that I'm fine mostly leaving them out of discussion and then just lynching them if the big 4 fails

If I'm right on {Gamma/Implo/Carca/NC} who is the town in that pool?

You’re back in my townreads following PP’s townflip
The Bu kill is kinda confusing tho

[Gamma Emerald]

NC is the one I feel the most uncertain about actually being scum
Gamma is lockscum for me.

What makes me lockscum to you

[Gamma Emerald]

I might vote implosion
But I need to recalibrate as BuJaber was in my scumreads so that sh00k me

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I'm trying to understand your reasoning on his slot. I don't really like your reasoning on Gamma or Implosion or me, and CM1 didn't cop you when he said he would so now I have to actually think about your alignment which I was hoping not to. And that is also making me wonder about CM1, since if he was scum not copping you would be pretty key to you getting mislynched if you're town.

I'll look at his interactions with A50 if that's why you think he's town though

The only reason I had to doubt M&M being Town was them soft pushing PP, which I thought could be a distancing maneuver. Since PP flipped town that obviously not possible.

[Gamma Emerald]

Carcasilly is scum

I'm N1 cop

VOTE: Carcasilly

We can hold you to this 100% right
I don’t want you walking this back Marked-for-Death style

[Gamma Emerald]

What did I do in marked for death again?

Fakeclaimed marked twice, retracted twice, weren’t lynched either time

[Gamma Emerald]

But yeah I’m fine voting Carca in that case
VOTE: Carcalilly

[Gamma Emerald]

That's like:
A50 - who hasn't done anything
Nick - who looks bad since D1
Spoog - who feels town atleast
Carca - the outed scum
imp - who atleast is still town
Gamma - who I feel is more likely to be town, but whatev

How has a50 done NOTHING as you see it?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Bringing it away from L-1

[Gamma Emerald]

Any n2 docs are on me or this game is a loss
In fact

VOTE: IMPLO

You guys are going to throw this after I'm gone

Both the n1 and the n2 kill said that gamma and implo were both sci don't care what your reads on them are you guys are still alive for a reason and that reason is your reads are shit

It’s day 2 you lying fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

If this is a reaction test I'm honestly way too tired to do shit about it right now

but if you actually believe that there are two N1 cops and NM decided to investigate me despite any possible interest then maybe it's better if you just put me out of my misery

and I will legitimately self vote if you all want to lynch me tomorrow so I can at least use my fuckin role so I can actually give you something substantial before I go

Your scumteam is likely inexperienced with this setup, from this post

[Gamma Emerald]

Your mistake isn’t something actually declared explicitly in the setup
Multiple roles on the same night are possible

[Gamma Emerald]

By multiple roles I mean cops/docs

[Gamma Emerald]

I think those responses are decent
Yeah that’s enough to alleviate my core suspicion
VOTE: implosion
Also willing to vote BuJaber. I have a feeling those 2 could be buddies.

No it was actually a right game situation I was just saying what to the whole implo/bujaber scumteam which does me a big confuse frand.

Btw on this; I’d had this feeling for a while but I think Bu’s janky read on me+implosion could be trying to tie me to implosion

Remember when Gamma tried to tie Bujaber!scum to Implosion scum?

Before I get into the quote wall, a lot of my scumread here isn't things that are easy to put words to because it's largely what's

missing

as opposed to what's

present

in their ISO that makes me scumread them. I'll do my best to refer to the things in this ISO specifically that I think are obviously scum because I think they are genuinely obvious scum purely on stuff that's present, but even with all the scummy shit in their iso there's still oodles more that I can't put words to. Like Maria I am well versed in Gamma Emerald meta having played a metric ton of games with him and him having been present in like, more than half of all of my modded games on site so this is a read that I put a great deal of faith in. He also knows that and should therefore have a great deal of faith in my ability to read him, but when I call him scum he doesn't call me scum for it he just tries to deflect me and push on other people. When he's town he flips the fuck out when I scumread him.

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald

So I would consider this but only today, and only if someone can give a really good reason to.

This is a scummy phrasing for reasons that you'll have to take my word on. I don't expect yall to get much mileage on this, but it's a thing that exists

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Gamma jumps on PP hot because of a point where he claims that they're lying about N_M's meta, something I would expect town them to feel very strongly about-

I recall being in a game with PP and NM where NM was fairly active and was Town

Until he says that I’m not giving him botd

-a bunch of quotes where Gamma does NOT talk about the lie but that I'm not C/Ping in for the sake of brevity

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Care to backup your claim? I can't recall a game I've played with him where he was the top poster...ever.

I didn’t say top poster, I just said fairly active

Then how was what I said a lie? I said "I've never seen him say this much in any game" not "I've never seen him fairly active in any game."

Seems like you're walking it back now.

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

Gamma Emerald jumped him at the start for lying but then when it came down to it it became more of a question of 'proving himself right' and saying that he's not giving PP benefit of the doubt unless he changes their read, calls PP out for reacting to being called a liar by asking him if he's going to get into a 'fight over nitpicks', and then at the end argues on an intellectual level that it should create reasonable doubt in his lockscum read of NM. This is

not

the reaction of Town!Gamma who thinks that PP lied. There's no effort to push on him, just to argue the 'correctness' of his position and no teeth behind any sort of push into PP. In the end he even backs right off and is put on the defensive. He's not interested in anything from PP besides defusing the argument.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

In that game (which was three games btw...this is one) he had 8 posts at this point. 17% of the posts he currently has. He increase in posting didn't happen until near endgame.

So, that was enough for you to scream that I'm a liar and vote me?

No, I misremembered his activity that game.
And I don’t think I ever walked anything back but w/e

He's defending himself to the person that he called a liar in big font like he believed in it. That's not town, that's scum Gamma who doesn't actually want to have this fight with PP.

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

"way of explaining it was rather roundabout"
"still reads contrived, lack a sufficient counter"
"more convoluted logic"

this isn't how town describes their scumreads, this is how scum describe people that they know are town that they're pushing on.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

That's what people said in civ mafia.

And if I recall you were one of very few people that didn't scumread me in day 1. Yet here you are.
Guess failure to meta read someone goes both ways.

How was your logic contrived in that game? And even then, your logic at this point is trying to push me+implosion because “Gamma changed my read on him which makes implosion possibly town, so they could be scum together”. That is some major mental gymnastics. How would I know that you would consider implosion town after that? In fact you just assuming we’re scum together is a red flag because that requires multiple assumptions. Plus there’s the fact I put myself in the spotlight. If you think I was saving him do you not think there were better options?

This post is truly scummy to the point of people not realizing that it's scum being essentially unforgivable.

I refuse to put detail to it, if you don't see it you gotta get better.

scum topic, clearly?
I just remembered that this game has no daychat for scum but that doesn't change my concern that her questioning him and not me is a TMI read.

I was going to question you on this but you are aware of the thing I thought you weren’t
I want to give townpoints for that tbh

Why give me townpoints for not remembering that scum have no daychat? If anything the fact that I've played this TWICE and didn't remember it suggests that I'm scum pretending I don't.

This is quickly turning into a commentary on various forms of government.

How???
This is such a ridiculous tangent it feels like misdirection

Yeah those responses don’t do much to convince me you’re Town
VOTE: implosion

Something something not how town talk about their scumreads, how scum talk about town that they are pushing on.

Having me sorted later in the game ups the odds of you not having to sort me at all because of scum nightkill.
Having me sorted earlier in the game means leashing most-all of the doctors onto protecting me.

with all due respect
no one but you cares as much as you do about ensuring your survival, and i'm sure you'll agree that stepping out of the frame of knowing you're town, having you sorted by a cop early would be pretty handy. I'm not necessarily advocating for that (I don't think it's a good idea at a glance to do anything to try to lead PRs around in this setup) but it's by no means bad from a neutral perspective.

99% of what skitter has said in the past 2 pages reads town to me, with the exception of a line that I think I had been misreading and can't even find on rereading where I thought she was townreading rc in a weird way and I'm not gonna try to keep finding it. I very much buy the way she's insisting this is outside her scumrange. I think most players who commonly talk about themselves as being easy to read are basically incapable of faking the "there's no way I can do this as scum" types of exchanges and it doesn't look bad to me at a glance.

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm a little tempted to start BoP'ing rc though. But that can come in a few days if he keeps this up.

How is this play by RC worth a BoP read?

Gamma Emerald is familiar enough with people threatening to BoP me that this question doesn't have to happen, he'd start with the meat of why it doesn't need to happen in this instance.

The fact that you're scumreading 567 is ridiculous to the point where it doesn't merit a response.

What's your issue with the other response?

I don’t think having an off read is something that necessitates a BoP lynch. It warrants skepticism yes, but autolynching for that is a bad call. Me and MariaR have a good history of reading each other but MariaR also has a precedent of messing up sometimes, that doesn’t mean she’s scum for it.

He is voting Implosion and therefore agrees with me that he's scum, correct? So why is he arguing to his scumread that I shouldn't be BoP lynched for incorrectly scumreading him if he thinks that he's scum and that I'm town?

Sure, let's vote Gamma for now then.

VOTE: Gamma

@everyone else for reasons that I can't really put words to I kinda think Penguin is more likely to be town than not so I'm not going to support that lynch or allow it to happen.
I think that Gamma and A50 are scum together a very large percentage of the time and I think Gamma is an amazing lynch today, while I would also support Carca or Lovebird as tertiary options, Carca preferred.
Can we talk about our reads on Gamma/Carca?

This vote I don’t take issue with

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

Neat.

I'm willing to swing Gamma potentially because I don't think I've actually ever seen him as scum. At least I can certainly be persuaded on it. I don't know how reading him works.

This however is pure horseshit. Just because he has no meta of scum!me he’s willing to follow onto the read, without even saying much wrt actual meta thoughts on me. And even with that he isn’t voting, which feels like he is testing the waters.

That ridiculous comment on A50 is SvS so much of the time and the fact that implo and myself are probably town means that there's likely 1 scum being addressed of the 3.

Good bujaber <3

Fine I'll VOTE: gamma but only because there's a chance RC gets confirmed soon and if he does get confirmed maybe I can trust his imp read for the time being.

Which he flipped for no reason

Another just this is a scum reaction and if you don't see it you won't see it.

Btw I’m like 70% on Carcalilly being Town
Will explain later if anyone cares

Why? I mean this makes most sense as SvS imo but.

gamma when you're town in a game with rc how likely are you to sheep him?

Pretty unlikely, even if I townread RC I don’t trust them to be rational enough to be worthy of sheeping.

I feel like if I actually cared I could crush your logic like a paper cup, maybe I'll do that later but I will say I think you're making assumptions, like when you say a50 is probably scum out of you/a50/implo in that wagon scan thing I did, rule of 3 does not work that way

Remember when I said Gamma scum had exactly 1 scum in the Rule of 3 and his first argument against was that A50 didn't have to be scum because of it?

That’s not what I said about rule of three but w/e I can understand you thinking that

[Gamma Emerald]

If anyone finds literally anything RC is posting right now about me convincing, please let me know because he's basically doing a Gish Gallop, an intellectually dishonest exercise in sophistry.

Is he scum for it tho :O
I had to deal with that in my very first game here, and I thought it was scum but it was just tunneling town
Shade noted though.

[Gamma Emerald]

You will also note that Implosion is not calling me scum, just discrediting my read.
He is fully aware that my read on him is 100% effective.

Why does he do that as town? Answer: he doesn't. As town he asks to get copped to get me to fuck off of him or asks for me to get copped because there is no way that he thinks that I'm scum right now.
But as scum? Calling me scum does nothing, he's going for the kill on me either way and if it gets stopped it's just game over for him. Discrediting my read on him is sufficient for his purposes as scum and it's what he's doing.

And that’s why I said shade noted
VOTE: implosion
We’re still probably lynching Carca but I want my vote on scum in the meantime

[Gamma Emerald]

You will also note that Implosion is not calling me scum, just discrediting my read.
He is fully aware that my read on him is 100% effective.

Why does he do that as town? Answer: he doesn't. As town he asks to get copped to get me to fuck off of him or asks for me to get copped because there is no way that he thinks that I'm scum right now.
But as scum? Calling me scum does nothing, he's going for the kill on me either way and if it gets stopped it's just game over for him. Discrediting my read on him is sufficient for his purposes as scum and it's what he's doing.

And that’s why I said shade noted
VOTE: implosion
We’re still probably lynching Carca but I want my vote on scum in the meantime

How is it shade when I have explicitly said I think he's probably scum, with specific reasoning?

What you said is an okay defense but I 100% noted the same thing when I read it. It’s perfectly possible that was a glimmer of your scum alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

You act like it’s not scummy because you scumread them
But I still feel like the shading point is valid as an individual post can deviate from a viewpoint presented

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter since you’re Town can you stop shooting down pushes left and right while suggesting None yourself?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok fine I missed that
But why are you so opposed to lynching implosion? Is it just because it’s what RC wants? That’s no reason to not vote someone. RC did similar to Mathblade in Lynch the Wolves. Not that I think RC is scum here, but even if she is implosion is still a good wagon imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

she's obviously going to claim n1 cop to deter her being lynched today

I’m night 2 but okay

you idiot.

So she still didn't say it herself! But I can see your point here. You expected her to be a Cop and she corrected you on the night. Fine.

Now can you see my PoV? You could very well have been "prompting her" to claim Cop to get out of the lynch. Is this too farfetched to be considered by someone who is not you?

I mean, all I wanted was to get Carca lynched today and move on, see what happens. But then skitter also flipped on me, and I really am not in the mood to fight 3-4 players calling me scum or considering the possibility.

If You're Town, I'm so sorry, but you do know the whole player list is paranoid of you and will never fully trust you until either you flip or the game is over, and CMod deflecting from checking the player who co-wrote the book of "How to win as SCUM" was still a bad move on his part, and sheds doubt on your alignment whether you like it or not.

I doubt scum!RC tryhards at this level

[Gamma Emerald]

because sometimes I want to play town and not be scumread.
my scum play holds back my ability to be effective as town so much

You could just become creature

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you think implosion is a good wagon?

@gamma

I feel like he is rather hedgy and shady with his pushes
Also Idk if this is a good tell or not but I think implosion has a, to plagiarize another medium, “refreshing as a spring breeze” attitude as town, that he lacks here

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you think implosion is a good wagon?

@gamma

I feel like he is rather hedgy and shady with his pushes
Also Idk if this is a good tell or not but I think implosion has a, to plagiarize another medium, “refreshing as a spring breeze” attitude as town, that he lacks here

i think he's been incredibly clear about where he's pushign and why tbh

That doesn’t nullify my point though

[Gamma Emerald]

implosion keeps taking a moral high ground of RC being “intellectually dishonest” I notice

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a guilty.

Either you or NM is scum

Honestly Carca playing the fool this long reads like scum who doesn’t want to acknowledge the guilty in full

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Carcalilly

[Gamma Emerald]

Not liking the moves CM1 is making around M&M ngl

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels like CM1 is trying to avoid giving M&M any credibility/influence

[Gamma Emerald]

I can understand you not giving him influence
but you just saying "nuh-uh I'm not investigating him!" day 1 and now explicitly telling Docs to stay off him is quite suspect imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah maybe I was just looking at it the wrong way
it's too overt to be scum even if all the things I've said are accurate

[Gamma Emerald]

Who posted from what wrong account?

[Gamma Emerald]

Rip

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought it WAS Nicholas Cage

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t believe you forgot Con Air

[Gamma Emerald]

Town cop here. I got Spooghetioso as scum.
VOTE: Spooghetioso

[Gamma Emerald]

why would you not cop implo if you were town?

I thought about it but figured you’d always conclude we were scum together
Plus Spooghetioso felt like a no-show at the end of d2 so I wanted to get that slot filed away.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I at least did my job I feel
And like idk if this is exhibited in my behavior but I didn’t mind being called scum as long as I wasn’t the number 1 lynch for the day, this was because I liked having the NK protection effect that bring suspected gave me

[Gamma Emerald]

As I said, I’ve done my best now it’s up to everyone else
Don’t cop M&M, doc should be on them

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I'm actually more fine giving you a mislynch than giving you a lynch on Spooghe scum with you right now, amusingly.

Do you hear the words you’re saying

[Gamma Emerald]

Yawn
Spooghetioso use AtE. It’s not very effective...

[Gamma Emerald]

Implosion makes a point I didn't consider making before. If the plan was to fake a guilty on a teammate why wouldn't the one who was in the background be faking on the one who was widely suspected?

[Gamma Emerald]

Only got a couple mins before going back to work but something to take into mind is that we have 4 docs claimed (including dead) and 4 cops now claimed, 5 unclaimed (1 of which is my innocent)

I think it’s best to lynch the guilty for now and then look into the other claims

This is slightly incorrect because one of the people you're counting as unclaimed is the flipped scum. Ignoring Carca, we have:

4 claimed doctors (a50, M&M, Creature, Penguin)
4 claimed cops (CM1, N_M, Gamma, BuJaber)
4 unclaimed (me, skitter, Spoogh, NC)

I don't think it's beneficial to massclaim yet. It's possible that gamma+Spoogh are both scum in principal, but I don't think this is the tact they'd take if they were; why wouldn't they have Spoogh claim a guilty on Gamma instead of the other way around? I don't *think* there's a lot of prudence in Gamma fakeclaiming cop here as scum, given that if he is scum, he knows there's still at least one cop out there (possibly up to 3, but he'd know the specific number) who could potentially induce autowin by finding the other scum, since we have two mislynches. Which is why I'm inclined to believe it.

when I had titus fakeclaim a guilty on me I did it after bussing a partner and having 6 living cops.
gamma may have learned something from that.

We...also played scum together in the previous run of this setup. So like, why don't you look at that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Implosion makes a point I didn't consider making before. If the plan was to fake a guilty on a teammate why wouldn't the one who was in the background be faking on the one who was widely suspected?

Gamma you aren't widely suspected in any universe, most of the game is fairly certain that you're town. Kill Creature and then double down on you being town with only me scumreading you alive.

I was still more suspected than Spoogh at that point. I don't recall anyone mentioning him towards the end of Day 2.

[Gamma Emerald]

Only got a couple mins before going back to work but something to take into mind is that we have 4 docs claimed (including dead) and 4 cops now claimed, 5 unclaimed (1 of which is my innocent)

I think it’s best to lynch the guilty for now and then look into the other claims

This is slightly incorrect because one of the people you're counting as unclaimed is the flipped scum. Ignoring Carca, we have:

4 claimed doctors (a50, M&M, Creature, Penguin)
4 claimed cops (CM1, N_M, Gamma, BuJaber)
4 unclaimed (me, skitter, Spoogh, NC)

I don't think it's beneficial to massclaim yet. It's possible that gamma+Spoogh are both scum in principal, but I don't think this is the tact they'd take if they were; why wouldn't they have Spoogh claim a guilty on Gamma instead of the other way around? I don't *think* there's a lot of prudence in Gamma fakeclaiming cop here as scum, given that if he is scum, he knows there's still at least one cop out there (possibly up to 3, but he'd know the specific number) who could potentially induce autowin by finding the other scum, since we have two mislynches. Which is why I'm inclined to believe it.

when I had titus fakeclaim a guilty on me I did it after bussing a partner and having 6 living cops.
gamma may have learned something from that.

We...also played scum together in the previous run of this setup. So like, why don't you look at that?

i do remember that game, i bussed math and then bussed you for the easiest mylo possible

lol trying to ramp up your hype with alternative facts
Vedith guiltied me that game, there was no bussing to do

[Gamma Emerald]

w/e
I forgot you orchestrated that

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Spoog, can you both give full read lists?

skitter innoed
M&M, A50 locktown
NM probtown
CM1, Implo, NC idk
Spoogh guiltied scum pls lynch

I'm gonna have to reread the game, and see who best fits as last scum
DON'AT LYNCH BEFORE I FINISH

[Gamma Emerald]

Starting the read-up

That looks almost physically impossible tbh. Not quite but almost.

Penguin, has your meta changed since that mini normal from like two years ago? Say no, please.

I'd like to further clarify that it is probably actually physically impossible. At least I think most people would agree.

I miss the coherent players.

Maybe you should not-scare-them-away by spamming less!

If you are talking about from our Newbie game...most definitely.

Nah, the mini normal shortly thereafter. The one where I called you town for being disgruntled.

Ok up to this point for some reason I feel like implosion’s contributions are rather shallow

[Gamma Emerald]

This is Gamma's scum meta, right?

Also in hindsight I feel like this is rather questionable. I went back to Mini 1996 to try to remember if I’d actually had something good to sort implosion by there (I didn’t), and my opening was rather similar. Curious if Creature picked up on this since he was also in that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

This is Gamma's scum meta, right?

Not sure, but his only post seems indeed bad.

So love reading players accurately from one post.

to clarify, my post was reaction-testing gamma, and i am eagerly awaiting his well-thought-out reaction to my planned-out reaction test.

And why say this when the person hasn’t posted yet? It comes off as not really caring.

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature quote was from me considering following up on him noticing the trend to that previous game
He might have? He pushed me for a similar reason that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

not similar actually
The previous game I posted I was excited then peaced-out if the thread for a bit, he thought it was scummy, which was fair
Here it seems more content based

[Gamma Emerald]

I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

VOTE: implosion

I was mainly looking for posts by suspects but yeah this kinda points to implosion

[Gamma Emerald]

He probably is.

Everyone is probably town

Except for you of course, you're scu,

Slip that he knows I'm not scum.

More votes on

Not_

Mafia.

are you always this awkward

This is Gamma's scum meta, right?

Not sure, but

hiS OnLy pOSt SeEMs inDeEd bAd.

Hm
Noticing an agenda from Carcalilly to shade town

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so first off an addendum: I thought about my reasoning for TRing NM and not considering him a suspect and realized based my presented reasoning for me+Spoogh not being partners it would actually make a fair amount of sense for NM to claim a guilty on buddy Carcailly.
In addition I never said this until now mostly because I just didn’t feel like saying it initially, but during my spat with PP about what I thought was a lie on PP’s part, I actually recalled another game where NM was among the top posters: Earthbound mafia, where he was scum.

That’s a large scum pool

This feels like shade for having a large scumpool. I recall a game where I got busted for following someone who called out someone for having too many null reads. This feels similar in the sense that NM is trying to push something that is surface-level scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Could be good for both of us in future games.

Seems more good for you than for me~

Gamma's town though, idk why penguin thinks that calling someone a LIAR is scummy.

Ok so what made you think I was Town at this point? You hadn’t responded to me responding to the reaction test thing. So why the town read?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see anything I particularly object to in that wall rn
I think Nic could be scum but the way NM reacted to me doing cursory poking was pretty bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry I really don't buy Gamma sitting here calling me town after I've been pushing on him the whole game. That's strange to me.
I definitely buy scum!Gamma sitting here calling me town waiting until the game goes late enough to mislynch me because he doesn't want to have the fight at a point where I can stipulate that he absolutely gets lynched when I flip town and then have to try to fight his way out of it, even though no one would prolly sheep me in this lobby.

I dunno. Dealing with bullshit tilts me and when I'm wrong as town I'm usually wrong in the direction of errantly scumreading people scumreading me.
The fact that I think Gamma is scum when he's never pushed on me makes me ++confident in him actually being scum, plus this check objectively doesn't make sense.

Holy balls no. I get tilted, but getting tilted with you just causes more problems imo. As for “the check doesn’t make sense”, that’s a load of crock. My primary philosophy for using cop is resolving question marks. Spoogh was a question mark thanks to not being around for eod2 and no one having expressed a read on them recently. I can present games where I talk about this philosophy jsyk. My number one reason for the philosophy is kinda moot actually, but I still think it was smart

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry I really don't buy Gamma sitting here calling me town after I've been pushing on him the whole game. That's strange to me.
I definitely buy scum!Gamma sitting here calling me town waiting until the game goes late enough to mislynch me because he doesn't want to have the fight at a point where I can stipulate that he absolutely gets lynched when I flip town and then have to try to fight his way out of it, even though no one would prolly sheep me in this lobby.

I dunno. Dealing with bullshit tilts me and when I'm wrong as town I'm usually wrong in the direction of errantly scumreading people scumreading me.
The fact that I think Gamma is scum when he's never pushed on me makes me ++confident in him actually being scum, plus this check objectively doesn't make sense.

Holy balls no. I get tilted, but getting tilted with you just causes more problems imo. As for “the check doesn’t make sense”, that’s a load of crock. My primary philosophy for using cop is resolving question marks. Spoogh was a question mark thanks to not being around for eod2 and no one having expressed a read on them recently. I can present games where I talk about this philosophy jsyk. My number one reason for the philosophy is kinda moot actually, but I still think it was smart

All of the above is true but like where does the unwavering townread on me come from? because ime town never townread me.

Because I just don’t see this effort level from scum, when you join the game I recall it was rather slow, your replace in kicked off the game.