it occurred to me that you might be doing this but I'm not very receptive to a50 gambits in the current gamestate (where scum could very well just choose not to shoot a scummy pr read)In post 2430, the worst wrote:Tbh I'm exhausted trying to soft TPR too hard and eat a nightkill so you lazy fuckers don't have to sort me so I'll go try and solve this the good old fashioned way :c
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In post 2357, the worst wrote:
believe me I haven't given the read out easilyIn post 2356, BuJaber wrote:Why are you so sure ruru's town?
I thought you sorted me alreadyIn post 2391, the worst wrote:
Why should I be suspicious of that?In post 2358, BuJaber wrote:I'm not arguing against the read I want to know your reasons if you please.
Because from my pov he's been given a case for you being scum but not really pushing it and like I expect you to be suspicious of him for that.
also sorry to be evasive but ctrl+f of ruru in my iso will probably give a fair bit.
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I assume you're talking about 2442?
I would expect a meta-case to look something like "enigma does X more frequently as scum than as town" or "X is a general scumtell and enigma doesn't do it as town" and I don't feel like that was either of those
like if you want to talk about ISPing skygazer is a lot worse and I haven't felt much genuine scumhunting from your slot this game either
like, you realize bujaber is the other one pushing the argument that enigma is fluffing too much to be town and I'm scumreading both of you so enigma really strongly feels like designated mislynch to me-
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mostly the gamestate/timing of itIn post 2454, the worst wrote:what part of this feels like I don't believe it?
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because I think you're fully capable of faking wim/frustration/etc. as scumthe worst wrote:like why are you asking the questions you're asking and approaching me the way you're approaching me rn? most people would see this calibre of meltdown from me and attempt to work w it or something surely?? you're just like "na all fake ur a woofer" and it's not real. not even slightly.
being like ~as WIM as I am right now in jjh's game got me nightkilled in spite of having shit reads (mind I was also hardcleared by a flipped TPR).
to quote an example from the game you asked me to replace into:
In post 2297, the worst wrote:like the grand sum of his contribution to this game has been replacing into a sketchy slot which Krazy put a heap of effort into tidying up, then charging in and telling people off for suspecting you of being scum fakeclaiming cop, push for a lynch on the actual TPR, suggest I'm scum for really fucking obviously play style related issues, still push me AFTER its become insanely clear he has no idea how I play this role (we can talk post-game if you still have issues with how I've played) and then like.... when he comes under pressure he squirms and stalls for time until Mumble who's probably his third buddy comes back
am I missing some fucking radiant townplay here or is this just dude just bleeding scum with his every single post?In post 2298, the worst wrote:the ONLY thing I can see myself being wrong on here is that he could be pocketing you (and earlier interactions do swing that way like to an extent) but meme is never town.
this type of posting is just not going to get me to townread youIn post 2299, the worst wrote:I've never felt this isolated in a game I have a literal townblock in
I don't feel like you were even trying that hard in that game either (compared to say, 733, where you were the highest poster as scum)-
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also, speaking of the a50 gambit:In post 1498, the worst wrote:
not before I'm lynchedIn post 1496, ruru wrote:fancy post when?
I'm actually v/la over the weekend but won't qnnounce it because you fucks are mislynching me anyway
Just look for who should have known better and adjust reads accordingly lol
when you soft vt on d1 here it makes me think your d3 pr soft was scum-motivated rather than nk-drawing-motivated, and you just took it back when you were called out on it
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In post 2461, skitter30 wrote:
okIn post 2420, ruru wrote:I think you're scum trying to discredit my read on you
players better than me agreed 1095 was a scumtell in that game
a) why isn't he town annoyed that you're tunneling him and trying to get you to stop?
b) why is 1095 being a scumtell in that game mean much for tw's alignment in this one?In post 1096, northsidegal wrote:
what about my play has been incompetent, even from your own point of view?In post 1095, jjh927 wrote:NSG is being surprisingly incompetent from my pov, the worst is scum, mathdino should know better, IDK shit about ruru
are you saying that you've played to your town meta this game such that a knowledge of it would mean that i would be townreading you?In post 1098, northsidegal wrote:no, i really haven't been tunneling them, at least not in the sense of screaming for people to follow me.
you didn't answer my question about whether or not my vote is reasonable from my perspective. you saying that my vote is wrong just from your perspective is meaningless - if you're going to say that i'm being incompetent, then my vote has to be unreasonable, it can't just be wrong.
like, let's posit that there was some "theoretical scumgame" and a person played exactly to it, even if they were town. would you call someone who voted that person incompetent just for being wrong even if their reasons were right?
I'm basically sheeping players who are better than me on it not being a towny thing to sayIn post 1099, northsidegal wrote:even from your own perspective of (theoretically) knowing that you're town, unless you think there are reasons that frommyperspective i should be townreading you and i'm just not seeing those reasons, you can't say that i'm being incompetent for just being wrong. i'm not psychic.
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no, I'm not really trying to sort you because I think you're just scumIn post 2476, the worst wrote:someone please swing by here and say they actually think ruru is approaching this from a town point of view and trying to sort me and not stubbornly steering a lynch. please please please please please-
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like, you keep doing things that I think are either scummy in general or by your meta or that like specifically remind me of games where you were scum and not of games where you were town
I left you alone on d1 when you specifically said the way I was interacting with you was making it hard for you to play the game and you didn't get any townier after that
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In post 1099, northsidegal wrote:even from your own perspective of (theoretically) knowing that you're town, unless you think there are reasons that frommyperspective i should be townreading you and i'm just not seeing those reasons, you can't say that i'm being incompetent for just being wrong. i'm not psychic.-
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In post 2486, the worst wrote:you have no semblance of an ability to read me
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also:
pushing a scumread isn't exactly "arrogant" behavior so this post is pretty weird especially considering I've interacted with you a lot in this game.In post 2481, the worst wrote:which is a read you've been arrogantly tunnelling like a Good Townie all game instead of stopping and trying to engage with me and sort me
Nice.
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I'm reminded of this now toothe worst wrote:oh he's an arrogant brat lol
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also I think it's agenda-y that you only started pushing me after I disapproved of your enigma case:
your new scumpool is {ruru, bujaber, enigma}
enigma is probably an easy lynch
bujaber is also probably an easy lynch, but you ignored him and pushed me instead even though I'm not an easy lynch and you've been townreading me all game which I think is kind of partnery-
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also this implies you haven't done anything this game that's out of your scumrange, yet still I'm being "incompetent" for scumreading you?In post 2473, the worst wrote:my posting this game is much closer to the border of my scumrange than my posting in that normal.-
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I still think this post is really bizarreIn post 2481, the worst wrote:which is a read you've been arrogantly tunnelling like a Good Townie all game instead of stopping and trying to engage with me and sort me
Nice.
I made a lot of effort to get him to help me read him on d1 and he just constantly ignored or evaded my questions or like explicitly didn't want to talk to me-
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historically I've found that one or two towntells that make me question my scumread among many strong scumtells (pintu in 728, etc.) are usually just manufactured and wrong and that's making me really hesitant here but maybe in this case that doesn't apply and tw is actually just town playing really scummy (and doing an antitown a50 gambit that may have been going on for longer than just his pr soft today and isn't really clearly scum-indicative here because it's conceivable town play even though I think it's really bad in this context).
(I say two because in addition to my posts in this game there's another strong meta towntell I'm not saying and another strong meta scumtell I'm not saying on his slot currently)
like I know tw cares about his reputation and this sitewide replace would be so dishonorable as scum that he's basically trust telling and I think I'm more willing to believe that he wouldn't do this as scum and his play is just coincidentally super scummy to me
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this post is bad.In post 2523, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean it's either genuine or has nothing to do with his feelings about this game
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I feel like it's... pretty clearly related to his feelings about the game? like site rules but yeah.
if I assume tw is town which is kind of where I'm at right now then obviously me continuing to tunnel the slot and talking about the possibility that tw just coincidentally doesn't feel like playing mafia right now is beneficial to scum-
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so, for people who haven't played with me and don't trust the skitter inno here is a quick guide to determining my alignment in this game:
this is how much I tend to post as scum: I was the 2nd lowest poster among living players in that game. I simply don't have the experience or mental stamina to make this many posts as scum. as town, I'm consistently among the top 5 posters, so obviously I would try to post more than that as scum now that I have meta, but I could easily get away with hanging around the #3-#5 slot in this game as scum without being at all scumread by postcount rather than being the loudest and most aggressive player in the game. the latter does not tend to come from inexperienced scum players and I've played one game of scum in my life.
if someone in this game is playing against their post count meta as scum it's korina>skitter>me.
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admittedly this could just be mirroring my thoughts on the matter, but this feels like a town postIn post 2547, Enigma wrote:I actually don't mind GE got lynched, because he would have been a disaster to sort late game and would be unlikely to have been NKd anyways.-
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@performer this was my d1 summary
(the "you" here refers to irrel)In post 1953, ruru wrote:d1:
lots of bad setup spec
skygazer hypo-traitor-claims her scumteam and lurks/shitposts, some people think it's scummy but her wagon dies out
skitter/ruru tvt for a while
a50 acts lynchbaity and gets some questionable votes on him
vex/a50/skitter/ruru eventually elected townbloc
I try to policy lynch frank(ejji(you)), not really strongly scumreading him, get spooked by how easy lynching him seems
Sky ellitells, interest in lynching renewed
tw replaces sky, gets tunneled by me+skitter
tw pushes ceejay, a50 agrees ceejay is scum, ceejay gets lynched
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this is actually an adequate summary of d2, not much happened
I guess it's also notable that I thought tw bussed ceejay based on some meta reasons and said as much at the start of d2
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posts like these don't necessarily make me think you're hard pushing lynches on the scumpool, even if I believed that doing so was clearingIn post 2498, Irrelephant11 wrote:I dunno it feels obvious that it's one of the two pairs[ruru/enigma, tw/bujaber]I said earlier but it also feels for some reason like it shouldn't be so obvious
Like I townread the worst and ruru's play for similar reasons (unlikely to be partners with the flipped slot, lots of posting and effort) and scumread them for similar reasons (annoyingly keeping some things to themselves, acknowledging general lack of WIM for most game days)
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Likely dieIn post 2693, Performer wrote:so tonight what will you do then??-
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I view protecting an investigative as higher utility than protecting an ic because the former doesn't actually change who scum have to shoot and the latter gives a result on a null-ish player
not to mention creature wasn't doing anything during the day and so the order people get shot in matters
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I consider dying for creature negative utility, period, because I don't get mislynched either and he wasn't playing the gameIn post 2719, Performer wrote:Why would you suspect there would be an investigative to protect? What if there wasn't??
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In post 2340, ruru wrote:so, I still think bujaber is scum
bujaber is regularly a highposter as town and even excluding the replacement and v/la timings his posts per day are just lower than expected and it feels like he's not really doing much
despite this, other people who also weren't doing much (gamma/enigma) had much more shade thrown on them which makes me think it's a scum agenda thing.
oh, and I guess gamma also attempted to cfd bujaber d1 so there's that
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enigma probably isn't getting lynched without either {alonzo redflip, any groupscum flip} because of alonzo's inno
bujaber is very likely flipping scum and I don't think we should lynch anyone with less chance of being scum because rb gets a lot more useful with only one scum remaining
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I don't crumb, but there's this if you want to try to read into it:
In post 940, ruru wrote:this game feels like a loss.
my mindset was different from other players' because I knew we probably had 0-1 useful prsIn post 945, ruru wrote:It's semi-mountainous and creatue rolling ic is negative utility because he'd probably be doing more if he was just vt-
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honestly the worst's slot is so bizarre that I have no useful comment on those interactionsIn post 2735, Irrelephant11 wrote:Also @ruru did you respond to my question about how you read me/tw interactions post-claim yet?
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