hmmmm is scum more or less likely to hypo-inno a partner? not sureIn post 3113, ruru wrote:ruru: [irrel, alonzo]
alonzo: [null, enigma]
irrel: [null, performer]
korina: [skitter, bujaber]
enigma: [skitter, null?]
performer: [bujaber, korina]
skitter: [alonzo, enigma]
Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)
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it's more of a paranoia thing than something i'm really like actively concerned aboutIn post 3119, Korina wrote:I've already covered this, however, why would I out myself as Vex unless I was that confident in my scumplay, when this is literally the only site I actually play on?
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performer himself i think is fine, and i lowkey townread him in isolation tbh
however, things that i'm finding a little problematic include:
-> in retrospect, tw's iso isn't that great
-> tw has pretty bad associatives with bujaber (on bujaber's end)
-> all iterations of flipped scum (anti, bujaber, and cj) townread sky-
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i mean, it' spossible they think it's impossible for them to win so are going for a draw instead (after all, that's better than an outright loss)In post 3146, Performer wrote:that's a DRAW. That means they risked being ok with that. If I go off what I can tell from # of games played and meta - I don't think ruru is that type of scum, or skitter for that matter. But I think this last scum isn't too sharp due to what I've explained here.-
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Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]
I mean, I get it, life gets busy and you might not have time to post as much as you like - but like the fact that you're repeatedly popping in to tell us you're busy and that you can't really post content looks excuse-y.[/quote]In post 179, Korina wrote:Try 72/24 and 48/24 hour games, plus this game, which is 168/48.
This is the only site where I could fesibly get away with doing 3+ games at once.
this is how i described town!korina in the other game i played with him-
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Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]
skitter30 wrote:
I mean, I get it, life gets busy and you might not have time to post as much as you like - but like the fact that you're repeatedly popping in to tell us you're busy and that you can't really post content looks excuse-y.In post 179, Korina wrote:Try 72/24 and 48/24 hour games, plus this game, which is 168/48.
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i could conceivably see myself no-kill maybe? i'm not sure why i owuldn't just nk tho
i know that i wouldn't want to go for a draw if i were scum in my position because i'm literally never getting lynched; scum!me wants the game to end faster so i can just win, and doesn't want the game to draw
i can kinda see scum in {performer/enigma, maybe korina} try to go for the draw (ie by proposing a no lynch today and no nk tonight again) because a draw is better than an outright loss-
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ok so enigma def didn't nk n2. if he's scum that implies he's either traitor orIn post 3243, Alonzo wrote:N2 enigma- scum kiled n3/4 performer IIRCthat scum!bujaber felt like he was less likely to get rb'dthan enigma i guess since there was a nk and enigma didn't do it
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you meant 'alonzo rbs enigma' there, right?In post 3231, ruru wrote:Enigma:
it makes perfect sense for enigma to shoot korina:
- alonzo rbs korina -> nk doesn't matter
- alonzo doesn't rb enigma -> he almost certainly rbs korina, korina is conftowned
so you're saying his motive to kill korina is to prevent him from being conftowned?
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explain this again?In post 3231, ruru wrote:- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives-
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why are you assuming traitor!alonzo and not groupscum-alonzo-with-daytalk?In post 3231, ruru wrote:- he would be a traitor with no mods, but he wouldn't know that, so he also has to deal with the possibility of there being multiple prs in {korina, ruru, skitter}
- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives
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both of you being alive i don't inherently find strangeIn post 3231, ruru wrote:about me and alonzo being alive, I guess it's less notable than it looks:
i think it's incredibly odd that the bg is not dead after three nights and that the jk has had no observable night actions in that time-
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ok if scum were on this it's enigmaIn post 800, ofrhz wrote:FrankJaeger (5): Almost50, Vex Vience, skitter30, Creature, Enigma (L-2)
and if scum on here, ruru; enigma was still on frankIn post 990, ofrhz wrote:ceejayvinoya (5): the worst, Creature, Almost50, ruru, skitter30 (L-2)
enigma would have to have vote-parked his partner (bujaber) from 1250 to 1522, to join not_mafia on the one-vote tw wagon
scum here is ruru or enigmaIn post 1559, ofrhz wrote:Not_Mafia (7): the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami LYNCH
In post 1823, ofrhz wrote:
the above two indicative of town!alonzo i'm pretty sureIn post 1831, BuJaber wrote:That is more indicative of there being a wagon on scum right now.
If everyone, town and scum alike, are posting very little scum cannot bus and risk a quick hammer from the absent townies. They cannot aggressively push the counterwagon because as soon as a mislynch occurs the other player would be a prime suspect.
In post 2233, ofrhz wrote:
slightly indicative of scum!enigmaIn post 2248, ofrhz wrote:
but bujaber consistently went back to pushing enigma so hmmm
like here:
like enigma feels like bujaber's chosen mislycnh tbhIn post 2292, ofrhz wrote:
this one tooIn post 2857, ofrhz wrote:
i don't think enigma and buajber are groupscum really
i have to go back and look at this in greater depth becuase not-flipped scum is guaranteed to be on thisIn post 3135, ofrhz wrote:Irrelephant11 (4): ruru, Performer, Enigma, Alonzo HAMMER
ok those are my notes wrt enigma's votes-
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More like its mylo and i feel like i have to do my due diligence and check all the possibilities.
Admittedly i think this is the least likely but i would feel kinda silly losing to scum!you because i was so pocketed that i didnt bother to re-evaluate
And still being alive makes me worries about being pocketed
And last night while looking at the vcs i more than once thought to myself 'that's an all town wagon' with you on it and like thats a bad mindset to have in mylo
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fair pointIn post 3266, ruru wrote:like I could literally just push massclaim because almost everyone seemed to agree, claim vt, bus bujaber, shoot alonzo, lynch irrel+performer, and the game would be over by now instead of 3:1-
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like i'm just wondering ... who does the 2x no-kill benefit? presumably it was pre-mediatated (that or scum just forgot to nk twice i suppose)
let's assume alonzo is telling the truth and is an rb:
-> ruru no-killed to prevent having to explain why alonzo is dead and she isn't (but she coudl have avoided this problem by claiming vt and nk'ing alonzo, especially since she claimed after him)
-> enigma no-killed ... to avoid having a rb guilty on him or an inno on (who we now know to be performer). like hte obvious kills for him are ruru -> alonzo -> me prob? like killling korina last night given the prior days kinda makes sense but it doesn't make sense if we look at all three days holistically. i think he just wants the game to end and to do that presumably there's no reason why he doesn't just make the obvious kills; i guess he'd have an inno from the night he killed ruru (so on day4 there'd be 6 players; an rb claim and an inno maybe) and maybe another inno from the night he killed alonzo (on day5 at least one inno, maybe two, in 4way). ok i guess it's possible that he purposefully no-killed to prevent 4way mylo with 1-2 innos but like ... he doesn't really strike me as the type of person to be this inventive. like htis is hte kind of plan i could see ruru cooking up maybe (if she hadn't claimed bg etc) but most people i don't think think about the game this way
it might just be alonzo actually
-> he expects to die the night after you so he can't kill you (he had a post a bit up saying 'someone wants ruru alive')
-> but why did he claim rb in the first place ... he had to know that he'd be questioned for being alive this long
-> by giving 'rb-guilties' he got at least one mislynch out of it, and again, the fact that there hasn't been a rb inno anywhere (or even a demonstrable rb in 5 nights) is incredibly strange.
-> however to fake an rb on enigma n2 he had to be banking on enigma not being a pr
-> like from scum!alonzo's perspective: he's avoided giving innos for three nights and got the performer mislynch out of the double 'rb-guilty'
-> he's also kinda dropped off the map contribution-wise for the last several dayphases now that i think about it and has mostly been sheeping the popular wagons-
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Spoiler:
everything alonzo said since hte bujaber lynch ^^^^ and it's surprisingly devoid of content imo
he was on both irrel and performer for weak reasons. not sure why he switched off of performer onto irrel after the first rb guilty on performer
3148 (day5) - he says that performer is out of his scumrange, but votes him anyways; doesn't think he's scum but voted him to help 'the majority trying to solve' which is meh
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fair enoughIn post 3278, ruru wrote:we need to establish more than them just being weird, we need to establish that it's weirder for town.alonzo than for scum.alonzo and I think non-alonzo scum have plenty of motivation to nokill too for exactly the same reasons-
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i can kinda see scum!you feeling thisIn post 3281, Enigma wrote:Reading through the BuJ/me associatives ...
BuJ continued to push me iirc on D3 after the massclaims (but before his lynch was likely).
1. If we were group scum
This is terrible play as he becomes the last scum forced to deal with a rb (he can't kill) that can provide innos ...like he makes his difficult miserable. Why do this to yourself?
2. If I was traitor
This means scum took day talk for sure based on the flips. Imo is a terrible mod choice for only 2 scum ... but meh who knows.
If you were group scum, wouldn't you be cautious of accidentally lynching your traitor ... plus I would like to think I would be signalling like fuck off I'm on your team.Also yes traitors suck.-
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i feel like no-lynching today is the same hting as saying we think alonzo is town effectively (else the game just ends).In post 3286, Enigma wrote:
Umm FYPOV it is better to no lynch if you are town, because you have another night with the rb and then better chances of hitting scum tonight and tomorrow day.In post 3284, Alonzo wrote:I'm pretty made up its Enigma at this point.
If you flip red at this point skitter you earned it my friend.
Of course Enig's gonna say I need a lynch to win as scum, but FMPOV i need a lynch to win as town, as scum can still force a draw from this position.
Im ready to Vote.
Like no lyching forces scum between a very tough time tomorrow to win (they will probably lose) or stalling for a draw.
ie my pov no-lynching today is effectively the same as lynching enigma - if alonzo is scum town just loses. i feel like i might as well just choose to lynch enigma or alonzo instead of no-lynching (ie if i believe enigma is town i'd just lynch alonzo. if i'm not sure i can no-lynch but i'm effectively trusting alonzo to be town, in which case i might as well lynch enigma)
idk if i expressed that well but i don't think that no-lynching actually accomplishes anything for town here really besides entrusting the game to town!alonzo
seems like a draw is no nk/no lynch 2x in a rowIn post 3072, ofrhz wrote:
Uhhh I really don't want this game to ping-pong back and forth like that, so let's just say once more. If there is no lynch today, no kill tonight, and no lynch tomorrow, I'll call it a draw, and we can all pack up our bags and go home.In post 3067, Performer wrote:
@mod if there is no kill again from scum, how many times can we no lynch again before you decide it's a draw?
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something's weird about the pov of this post but idk what it is rnIn post 3286, Enigma wrote:
Umm FYPOV it is better to no lynch if you are town, because you have another night with the rb and then better chances of hitting scum tonight and tomorrow day.In post 3284, Alonzo wrote:I'm pretty made up its Enigma at this point.
If you flip red at this point skitter you earned it my friend.
Of course Enig's gonna say I need a lynch to win as scum, but FMPOV i need a lynch to win as town, as scum can still force a draw from this position.
Im ready to Vote.
Like no lyching forces scum between a very tough time tomorrow to win (they will probably lose) or stalling for a draw.-
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i'm dumb nmIn post 3297, skitter30 wrote:it's probably just traitor!enigma
i don't want to no-lynch; from my pov that basically means i think alonzo is town in which case i might as well lynch enigma
it's 4way. nolynch.
town!alonzo - can maybe stop an nk or scum don't nk - 3 or 4 people alive tomorrow
scum!alonzo - can nk (3 alive) or not (4 alive)
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mehIn post 1009, Enigma wrote:The speed at which the CJ wagon formed is a bit off putting .. the VCA will be interesting if/when he flips
CJ and NWMM are so contentless I can barely make a read, and I don't even know if CJ has read the whole thread yet ...
Reading Open 733 where CJ was scum (with tw), CJ actually (pretends) to scumhunt a bit, actively pushes mislynches, and interacts with the gamestate. Open 725 is a bit of a mess to read, but CJ feels also a bit more actively driving lynches (and he was bussing his partner AP).
Maybe part of why I'm hesitant, in addition to CJ simply having zero content, is a lack of CJ voting on someone so far and advancing the game state. I've also mislynched CJ in other games, partly because he was lurky and didn't get a chance to defend himself. But I've also seen town CJ defend himself as the lynch target when he was more active.
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still feel like this was a townie reaction to that game; if he were scum referencing this i feel like he'd keep bringing up to try to undermine the townreads on me throughout but i haven't really gotten that vibe reallyIn post 1133, Enigma wrote:Btw, now that this game is over ... viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76766
This has kinda been in my mind the whole game, but couldn't say much as ongoing.
Skitter was one of my strongest TRs in that game, I even doc protected her because I thought she would be prime NK target ... alas she was scum
scum!skitter a force to be reckoned with, and was literally universally townread by everyone and won because town trusted her enough to hammer test her in MYLO
So I haven't really commented on skitter so much, that said I am kinda townreading skitter this game, but I don't trust her or my reads on her hahahha
Hence my earlier comment about I don't really know how to read her with confidence-
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also like i never really got the vibe that enigma's reactions to bujaber's scumread of him were like from a traitor (as enigma so eloquently put it, why didn't he signal him to just fuck off already?) he really deos seem peeved that bujaber kept circling back to himIn post 1157, Enigma wrote:Wow BuJ thanks for the huge wall of text dedicated to me.
1. I steal page tops because its fun and would gladly do it as either faction
2. I can't make reads in the first 24/48 hours of a game ... in general my D1 play sucks
3. I'm very special thanks, so I can have all the RVS votes I want-
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like this oneIn post 1249, Enigma wrote:
Dude when the game first started I made a few page top grabs, mainly to get back at ofrhz for taunting me pregame about pagetops. Outside of the first rl day I've only made two page top posts (because I kinda got bored and forgot about it). The fact that you are still pushing this one issue whilst largely ignoring the rest of my post confounds me.In post 1248, BuJaber wrote:What's bad about the bolded? I acknowledge her posting was weird but overall the reasons to townread her outweigh the reasons to scumread her.
As for enigma yes we just finished our first game together as far as I recall and yes he was town and maybe he grabbed some pagetops there but he was not on a personal mission to grab pagetops like he seems to be on here. It felt more casual/situational in that game instead of deliberate.
I'm not so keen on lynching the ejji if he is making an effort rn, so would prefer to give him the opportunity to catchup and post, and I'll try to re-read his slot tomorrow.
I will do this in the meantime though
VOTE: Bujaber-
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this vote did come out of nowhere tho