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And from the games I played with you, Word, this post seemed like a deviation from your analytical/serious behavior to an empathic/silly one without a specific context for that.In post 133, word321 wrote:I like cats
Ur fonts look horrible in sepia
Maybe Ill get used to it
But lets get the ball roling
Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town
Since there are no PRs, I guess a lot of traditional strategy is discarded here
I speculate that you felt the cognitive burden of finally being scum.
VOTE: Word-
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I didn't find this useful, for example ^In post 191, Green Crayons wrote:
I'd rather send to heaven a strong town player who has told us their final reads, and WHO WON'T keep up, and then will do a reread if we get to judgment day.In post 153, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I am curious Isis, how much of a main thread do you follow in a game once you are eliminated?
I think reading a mature game (like, actually reading the thing) without many preconceptions is probably the strongest town weapon. It's why town replacements into a game can be killer if done by a strong player.
I don't want to see boring, but this type of advice is generic in my opinion and seems to try to give the impression that you are trying to verbalize something pro-town, when in reality you are only emphasizing something of common sense.-
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I suppose that was not the original message of this post.In post 203, Green Crayons wrote:
Glad you think my strategy is common sense.In post 200, clidd wrote:I don't want to see boring, but this type of advice is generic in my opinion and seems to try to give the impression that you are trying to verbalize something pro-town, when in reality you are only emphasizing something of common sense.
Do you think policing conversations is AI?
Yes, depending on how they occur.-
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Ok, and what is the connection between that and what I said ?In post 204, Green Crayons wrote:Also, nobody should make AI determinations from strategy discussions. Nobody has a motivation to say anything that isn't what they perceive to be optimal strategy, or at least a moderately good one.-
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This does not change the fact that there are AI impressions of your strategy posts.In post 212, Green Crayons wrote:I'm saying people should actively work against drawing AI conclusions from strategy discussions.
I can walk and chew bubble gum, and have fishing lines out waiting for some bites. You've been the biggest distraction that's keeping me talking not about mechanics strategy, but talking about talking about mechanics strategy. I thinkthat'sAI as it looks like you're hunting when you're not.
This analogy didn't make sense and I'm looking at your answers to get an AI impression of your reasoning. I also find it difficult that you don't consider this side.-
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I can't see why it would be invalid for me to take an AI impression of a mechanical post that looks like a filler to fill space. By extension, this would also be hypothetically ignoring mechanical post spam, as I cannot draw AI conclusions from their presence (it doesn't work).In post 218, Green Crayons wrote:walk and chew bubble gum is a saying that just means you can do two things at once.
if you're trying to get AI from strategy discussion, you're doing it wrong for the reasons I've already stated. glad we've successfully gone full circle on this. want to continue to spin tires?
But looking back at those posts again, I didn't feel bad faith on your part to explain your point of view to me in a logical way (although I don't agree with the reasoning). In fact, I noticed a subtle anger in your tone, which may be related to some indignation (towny).-
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And I think that you would have voted me after this post as Scum!G.C ^In post 213, Green Crayons wrote:
hard pass on this takeIn post 208, Cthylla wrote:clidd is an angelread-
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He could have make some comparisons by typing patern in a hidden way to improve the accuracy of the search.In post 250, Green Crayons wrote:Now that we've successfully had a two-page discussion about how we view discussions about strategy, what do you make of Cth and Norwegian's back and forth about Cth's alt status?
In this case, the public coming and going can be seen as an image maintenance(scummy), but as it is within the context of Norwegian's profile, it's a different action from what I have seen from his scumgames (not so scummy at all).-
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This is another ping about Cth.In post 244, Cthylla wrote:VOTE: Word
Pedit: you sniped me, this is probably L-1
let's be civilised here
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By the way, this is almost aIn post 249, Green Crayons wrote:
To be clear:In post 238, clidd wrote:I can't see why it would be invalid for me to take an AI impression of a mechanical post that looks like a filler to fill space. By extension, this would also be hypothetically ignoring mechanical post spam, as I cannot draw AI conclusions from their presence (it doesn't work).
1. You SHOULDN'T draw AI thoughts from substantive recommendations about strategy. Nobody is going to give a bad strategy to hurt town--neither town (obviously) or scum are motivated to openly suggest bad strategies. If you start feeling like "oh Player X must be town because that's a good strategy," slap yourself and wake up. No AI.
2. You CAN get AI from whether a player focuses MOSTLY or ONLY on setup speculation or mechanics strategy, because like you said scum can use it as a crutch.
3. You CAN get AI from players who focus on whether other players are focusing on setup speculation or mechanics strategy, because it's a super easy "discussion about a discussion" that scum can use to look busy."why you don't understand, idiot", which I see as genuine (genuine=towny in this context).-
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Sorry, you don't look like Hectic.In post 262, Cthylla wrote:In post 257, clidd wrote:I feel that his text structure is unnatural and that he is trying hard not to reveal typing strokes that could confirm connection with another account (isn't scummy, but don't give me a good feeling).
I want to pressure word now, otherwise I would vote him.my main's been outed clidd
it's Hectic
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I did a research of his meta to have a base.In post 263, Cthylla wrote:In post 260, clidd wrote:I believe that the last thing Scum!GC would like was an early 1v1, so returning to the subject indicates persistence in what you said, increasing the chance of being content that you believe to be true and is not being understood in the way you wanted.why do you think this?
have you played with or seen Green Crayons before?
a 1v1 isn't all bad for scum
in general others often wind up townreading both parties
1v1 draws a lot of attention in my opinion and his insistence did not seem in bad faith to me, as well as his reactions to what I said.-
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You don't seem to be flowing naturally in your texts (my personal view).
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I don't I want to talk about that again, but I'll put inside spoilers:
Spoiler:
Now regarding G.C's reactions, I liked these posts: 204, 212, 213, 218, 247 and 249
I don't know if I am the only person who subtly sees the expression of anger during the sequence above, which is the point I am using to emotionally infer that he did not act in bad faith.-
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Yes, any scum can to a certain extent.
The thing is: Idon'tthink that's the case here.-
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Going back to this, Norwegian, do you think what I said above is valid ?In post 286, clidd wrote:No, all my speculation is based on his towngames, so what I said about the Scum!G.C action line is imaginary.
If he has any scumgame in his profile, it's probably from years ago.
I know that there is a greater margin of error when you don't have a scum game to compare, but I believe that the premise that each player tends to be colder in the scum alignment, by default, even if this difference is small, tends to be true.-
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Don't worry, I trust you on that.In post 301, word321 wrote:I just came out of an exam; unfortunately, the beginning of the game coincided with an evaluation (the last of the semester, no less) on my university.
I have by a code of honour that I dnt lie about things outside the game itself, so u can take my word for granted-
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Yours, if you don't have a context to said that.
Like"you need to that because of *insert reason*"-
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