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If you mean SK, then no did you?In post 10, Aisa wrote:Hii everyone! I see both familiar faces and people I’ve never interacted with before
I’m still in the mafia honeymoon period I think therefore p hyped for the game
VOTE: froggodoggo did you get the role of your dreams?
not sure what "mafia honeymoon" means but I am also very excited to finally get into a forum game!-
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nopeIn post 14, Lucian wrote: By the way, Aisa and froggo, do you have experience playing mafia with each other?
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at which vote does it become acceptable for me to OMGUS? around 4th or 5th?-
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why can't I just be friendly for the sake of being friendly?In post 17, Lucian wrote:Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.
froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.-
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why vote the IC? seems like a throwaway vote
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not a fan of giving locktowns on page 1, is this more of a jokey read? if not can I get reasoning behind the locktowns.In post 16, Aisa wrote:CSF and froggo locktown tbf-
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i couldn't give you a number but like, a lot. i think all of these "scum pings" just come from me not being used to forum and not knowing anyone here. lemme breatheIn post 32, Lucian wrote:"Taking obvious jokey seriously" now, too.
froggo, how much mafia experience do you have?-
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I think it's risky and/or careless for a townie to remove people from their POE so early on, I think it's better to keep an open mind until there's at least one flip. obviously this doesn't apply to every circumstance but I don't see a single post here that couldn't possibly be said by scum.In post 33, Klick wrote:
Why's that?In post 31, froggodoggo wrote:not a fan of giving locktowns on page 1
I also think it's easier for mafia to make these confident town reads because they actually know who is town and who's not (except SK ofc)-
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not gonna do the exact statistics but it's looking like the most likely ratio is 10/3, then 9/3/1, then 10/2/1, and then 11/2In post 50, furtiveglance wrote:What's the likeliest ratios in the setup? 10/3 and 10/2/1?-
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but no comment about the larger wagon on me? that your own RVS vote is supporting?In post 55, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:They seem fine?-
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IMO the "they seem fine" seems defensive of furtive putting pressure on infinity -- which is contradictory to a 4-vote wagon being normalIn post 59, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't really have a read on you yet. I think a 4-vote wagon isn't that out of the ordinary for RVS. Does it bother you for some reason?In post 56, froggodoggo wrote:
but no comment about the larger wagon on me? that your own RVS vote is supporting?In post 55, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:They seem fine?-
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In post 62, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
It's very unclear to me how (b) follows from or is related to (a)In post 61, froggodoggo wrote:IMO the (a) "they seem fine" seems defensive of furtive putting pressure on infinity -- (b) which is contradictory to a 4-vote wagon being normal
i'm trying to say that you're questioning why votes are on infinity while you're perfectly fine with votes on me-
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i dunno. vote infinity with me?In post 64, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:oh yea, furtive's Infinity vote seemed non-random
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i don't know what you mean by that. doesn't have to be an RVS vote. i think infinity is sus for saying they want info out of RVS yet they vote a conf townie (no reason to pressure someone who is confirmed) and then put a vote on me without reason (how do you get info out of someone you're not actively interacting with?)In post 66, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:making one RVS vote for another seems like a lateral move tbh-
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very much so
idk if i can recall them all but here:In post 72, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can I ask which games you have read?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682 (ongoing but a fun read)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89584 (mostly skimmed after D1)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89529 (pegged you as scum in this one for not locktowning Somnus' entrance, could totally be wrong but you seemed like the type of player who would instantly recognize that as town)
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I looked at it initially as possibly being paired but I guess you're right that it would be way too obvious of a partner interaction to make so early on.In post 79, furtiveglance wrote: VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever
"They seem fine" on Infinity. That ain't paired. It's T/T or imo, S/T.
And yeah this does kind of imply that if you think it is T/T or S/T then you think infinity is the T (why vote CSF if otherwise?) so I like Dunnstral for noticing that.
I will TR dunnstral. I like how dunnstral changed their question up to something that requires more explaining rather than a yes/no answer. Reads to me like genuine and natural solving.-
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My bad. Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?In post 94, Lucian wrote:
Just a heads up, you shouldn't be linking this.In post 91, froggodoggo wrote:(ongoing but a fun read)-
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In post 96, Lucian wrote: Infinity is slightly Townie to me, I think 22 seems like a real thought. Everything else from their ISO seems pretty NAI to me.
I have no opinion on Klick. His position of "well you're the one being awkward!" is one that can come from Town but that also isn't difficult to fake. Nothing in his ISO is difficult to fake, and I'm kind of intrigued by Aisa calling any part of it "analysis".
Aisa, what of Klick's analysis did you like? I'm assuming the post wasn't framed as a joke since it doesn't give such a vibe.
Loving all of this -- I was thinking the same thing about Aisa. in the town bin you go!-
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could be coincidence but they also got off my wagon only after others did/started calling me townIn post 67, froggodoggo wrote:i think infinity is sus for saying they want info out of RVS yet they vote a conf townie (no reason to pressure someone who is confirmed) and then put a vote on me without reason (how do you get info out of someone you're not actively interacting with?)
as of right now I personally think this is our best bet and if the consequence is getting more gameplay out of em then I am 100% for it.-
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what is the >rand town reaction to being pressured early d1In post 107, Infinity 324 wrote:
the whole "i'm new and i'm flustered because i'm being pressured" is >rand scum.In post 93, froggodoggo wrote:Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.
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wdym by this? any SRs btw?In post 111, Gamma Emerald wrote:BBT SRing Infinity is old news-
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It is in the back of my mind. I didn't like lucian calling Klick's page1 push on em boring. Was a weird way to react to pressure and I don't like their current reaction to pressure either -- comes off a lil too aggressive for a solving townie who I think would be more understanding of other people having suspicions, too.In post 128, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Froggo, I would like you to reevaluate your town read on Lucian.
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i have been doing this too. and im town. big town pov from klick. not sure if i want to officially TR them yet. but im getting there!In post 132, Klick wrote: That's a completely valid take; I actively didn't want to elaborate fully because I wanted to keep seeing the observations I was seeing without influencing them or letting Lucian choose to play around them. So yes, I was hesitant to engage heavily there.
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This reads as genuine scum frustration. Frustrated because they took an action (not writing out obvious things) to look townier and it backfired.In post 137, Lucian wrote:I bet if I did write that out, I'd have Klick over here saying "look guys, awkward scum! Writing out things that are plainly obvious!"
VOTE: Lucian-
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phrases like "ok, and?" and "OF COURSE"In post 143, Lucian wrote:Not sure where you get the idea I'm feeling frustrated either-
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when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?In post 143, Lucian wrote:Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.-
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Ok but we don't know your playstyle, only you do. If ur gonna self meta i say you should go the full mile cuz I can't just take your word every time I think youre scummy and you just say it's NAI.In post 149, Lucian wrote:
Probably at any point where you're not attacking me for a playstyle trait that I exhibit as both scum and Town.In post 147, froggodoggo wrote:
when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?In post 143, Lucian wrote:Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.-
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not a fan of this. looks to me like an easy way to make Lucian look better without explicitly saying they are town.In post 163, Infinity 324 wrote:
zz i used to do this exact same thing as townIn post 159, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Even if I agree with that premise, I still think that throwing out that town read was scummy.
It was done in a LAMIST attempt. You did this with 2(?) further stating of town reads as well. I noticed a lack of scum reads, which is really where town shine through.
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hard partner equity (is this the right word?) between Lucian and Infinity.-
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I don't believe youIn post 169, Infinity 324 wrote:
lucian is townIn post 167, froggodoggo wrote:without explicitly saying they are town.
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noIn post 172, Lucian wrote:froggo, you missed these posts?-
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what's the re-evaluation?In post 181, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
If I had to guess, town because the quick reevaluation from 36 to 90 comes from town more often than not.In post 177, Lucian wrote:CSF, what do you think of Infinity?
their takes also feel okay, like i agree that you're towny-
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what a post...In post 210, furtiveglance wrote:
You'd have caught me if I was scum for sure! (did I just TMI you as town?) uwuIn post 206, Aisa wrote:Not sure how much furtive's play has evolved since I spectated a scum game of theirs a couple months ago, but I think this might be town!furtive.
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furtive feels like mafia. they are giving content but they aren't actively questioning people, just reading and then saying things into the sky. like they aren't actually using their voice to solve, just to show they are doing things.
VOTE: furtiveglance
i have some other thoughts to share too but i think they are better left unsaid -- so i will just give you this cryptic statement instead!-
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unsure what this is referring to -- dunn can you expand on ur thoughts abt Lucian? I would also like to know what you think about BBT and Aisa.In post 223, Dunnstral wrote:I don't like the way Lucian has responded about their read on Aisa
could've swore I saw this mentioned already earlier but i can't find anything abt it. I also think this would give more info if you asked BBT instead of Lucian but thats probably NAI.In post 240, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: what do you think about the fact that BBT honed in on you for saying people were town on page 1, but not Aisa, who also said people were town on page 1?-
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we get extremely minimal info from all sheeping the IC. you should know better than to suggest thisIn post 248, furtiveglance wrote:Ok seeing as some people started getting a bit shady towards me I thought I'd lazily pocket the conftown, and suggest we all vote with Hiraki, use them as a Day Vig in a way.-
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nah that statement was separate. nothing you need to worry abtIn post 250, furtiveglance wrote:Also, froggo, if there are secret reasons you scumread me, I can't really refute those.-
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i would argue an elimination decided by multiple people bouncing ideas off of each other is far superior than one person choosingIn post 257, Klick wrote:Logically, an elimination decided by 100% town is on average better than an elimination decided by 10/13 or 11/13 town because the decision is entirely made by players with the town win condition. This becomes more obvious the closer to ELo you are, as evidenced by the Not Quite Normal Mtuball game that just finished-
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I would rather kill u first.
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If we started the game only sheeping one person — noIn post 278, Klick wrote:We'd still get plenty of information to solve with tho
If we started right now — we may have a chance
Maybe on day 3 or 4 or in LimLo when the game is getting tight — that’s when we want to rely on our guaranteed town-
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Enchant don’t you do it!!In post 290, Gamma Emerald wrote:be aware enchant will hammer if anyone gets to e-1-
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voting on the same wagon as you is not sheeping you. i would rather kill you than CSF. but i would also rather get a wagon going on a scummy player than on no one.In post 293, furtiveglance wrote:I set a new trend. Unsurprising.
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am I misinterpreting this or are you scumreading furtive for saying SK is purple? (which it totally isn't btw)In post 313, Gamma Emerald wrote:
as for this, I'll let Dunn/Enchant (well, really just Dunn!) determine whether more is said. I believe you that it's that way on your homesite but there's something else that makes the whole deal bothersome.In post 305, furtiveglance wrote:
I do know, but I don't think you really have a point. If you think you do, you can share it with the group.In post 303, Gamma Emerald wrote:THINK FURTIVE THINK!
WHY WOULDITAKE NOTICE OFYOUTALKING ABOUT COLORS?
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sheeping you is if i was like "yup i 100% agree with furtive that its CSF"In post 316, furtiveglance wrote:
1) It isIn post 311, froggodoggo wrote:
voting on the same wagon as you is not sheeping you. i would rather kill you than CSF. but i would also rather get a wagon going on a scummy player than on no one.In post 293, furtiveglance wrote:I set a new trend. Unsurprising.
What is surprising is that froggo is straddling scumreading me and sheeping me? Have you got any splinters there froggo, with all that fence sitting?
2) We're both scummy then. Am I bussing, what's going on here?
my vote on CSF has no connection to you. in fact i would say i am sheeping infinity, not you furtive.
I dunno. but i'm not gonna completely rule out voting for someone bcuz one scummy player also wants them out.-
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can you rephrase this part a bit? i'm not understanding your thoughts on CSF. ty!!In post 318, Hiraki wrote:can you help me off of CSF? i didn't vote but i was pretty ready to do so tbh. don't think enchant is a bad idea
after reading, i think enchant is better than CSF. CSF just doesn't have a lot of good posts. BBT was an early game lean scum and has not improved either - it does not help that the sole vote on BBT is CSF but that is an early guess - not a read of both players.-
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If enchant were to flip right now what information do we get from each alignment? (excluding wagon analysis ofc)In post 330, Lucian wrote:Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.-
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Right but its still minimal info compared to other flipsIn post 332, Lucian wrote:Excluding wagon analysis? Uh, none, nobody has strong enough ties with him one way or another yet. Which is why I'm not advocating for him to "flip right now".-
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