Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[froggodoggo]

obligatory first

hi all. i am new to the site but not new to mafia so don't go easy on me

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee because i can and i will!

[froggodoggo]

Hii everyone! I see both familiar faces and people I’ve never interacted with before
I’m still in the mafia honeymoon period I think therefore p hyped for the game

VOTE: froggodoggo did you get the role of your dreams?

If you mean SK, then no did you?

not sure what "mafia honeymoon" means but I am also very excited to finally get into a forum game!

[froggodoggo]

By the way, Aisa and froggo, do you have experience playing mafia with each other?

nope

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at which vote does it become acceptable for me to OMGUS? around 4th or 5th?

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Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.

froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.

why can't I just be friendly for the sake of being friendly?

[froggodoggo]

why is lucian awkward?

VOTE: hiraki

why vote the IC? seems like a throwaway vote

[froggodoggo]

CSF and froggo locktown tbf

not a fan of giving locktowns on page 1, is this more of a jokey read? if not can I get reasoning behind the locktowns.

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"Taking obvious jokey seriously" now, too.

froggo, how much mafia experience do you have?

i couldn't give you a number but like, a lot. i think all of these "scum pings" just come from me not being used to forum and not knowing anyone here. lemme breathe

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not a fan of giving locktowns on page 1

Why's that?

I think it's risky and/or careless for a townie to remove people from their POE so early on, I think it's better to keep an open mind until there's at least one flip. obviously this doesn't apply to every circumstance but I don't see a single post here that couldn't possibly be said by scum.

I also think it's easier for mafia to make these confident town reads because they actually know who is town and who's not (except SK ofc)

[froggodoggo]

i am very sad. i need a big strong townie to save me from the wagonners. help!!

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VOTE: Infinity

thank you for saving me, big strong townie furtive

[froggodoggo]

What's the likeliest ratios in the setup? 10/3 and 10/2/1?

not gonna do the exact statistics but it's looking like the most likely ratio is 10/3, then 9/3/1, then 10/2/1, and then 11/2

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They seem fine?

but no comment about the larger wagon on me? that your own RVS vote is supporting?

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They seem fine?

but no comment about the larger wagon on me? that your own RVS vote is supporting?

I don't really have a read on you yet. I think a 4-vote wagon isn't that out of the ordinary for RVS. Does it bother you for some reason?

IMO the "they seem fine" seems defensive of furtive putting pressure on infinity -- which is contradictory to a 4-vote wagon being normal

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IMO the (a) "they seem fine" seems defensive of furtive putting pressure on infinity -- (b) which is contradictory to a 4-vote wagon being normal

It's very unclear to me how (b) follows from or is related to (a)

i'm trying to say that you're questioning why votes are on infinity while you're perfectly fine with votes on me

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oh yea, furtive's Infinity vote seemed non-random

but if that's the case, then why not say why you're voting them to start a Serious Wagon (TM)?

i dunno. vote infinity with me?

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making one RVS vote for another seems like a lateral move tbh

i don't know what you mean by that. doesn't have to be an RVS vote. i think infinity is sus for saying they want info out of RVS yet they vote a conf townie (no reason to pressure someone who is confirmed) and then put a vote on me without reason (how do you get info out of someone you're not actively interacting with?)

[froggodoggo]

Hi bluebloodedtoffee. you dont know me but i've read a couple games while waiting to get in one myself and i really like your playstyle. i hope you are town this game.

goodnight townies. SK if youre out there goodnight to you too.

[froggodoggo]

I am town this game.

Are you town this game?

very much so

Can I ask which games you have read?

idk if i can recall them all but here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682 (ongoing but a fun read)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89584 (mostly skimmed after D1)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89529 (pegged you as scum in this one for not locktowning Somnus' entrance, could totally be wrong but you seemed like the type of player who would instantly recognize that as town)
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87764
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88352

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

"They seem fine" on Infinity. That ain't paired. It's T/T or imo, S/T.

I looked at it initially as possibly being paired but I guess you're right that it would be way too obvious of a partner interaction to make so early on.
And yeah this does kind of imply that if you think it is T/T or S/T then you think infinity is the T (why vote CSF if otherwise?) so I like Dunnstral for noticing that.

I will TR dunnstral. I like how dunnstral changed their question up to something that requires more explaining rather than a yes/no answer. Reads to me like genuine and natural solving.

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Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.

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(ongoing but a fun read)

Just a heads up, you shouldn't be linking this.

My bad. Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?

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Infinity is slightly Townie to me, I think 22 seems like a real thought. Everything else from their ISO seems pretty NAI to me.

I have no opinion on Klick. His position of "well you're the one being awkward!" is one that can come from Town but that also isn't difficult to fake. Nothing in his ISO is difficult to fake, and I'm kind of intrigued by Aisa calling any part of it "analysis".

Aisa, what of Klick's analysis did you like? I'm assuming the post wasn't framed as a joke since it doesn't give such a vibe.

Loving all of this -- I was thinking the same thing about Aisa. in the town bin you go!

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Klick Lucian vote infinity with me
lurkers feel free to get in on this too so we can pivot on to you if infinity ends up looking super town

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i think infinity is sus for saying they want info out of RVS yet they vote a conf townie (no reason to pressure someone who is confirmed) and then put a vote on me without reason (how do you get info out of someone you're not actively interacting with?)

could be coincidence but they also got off my wagon only after others did/started calling me town
as of right now I personally think this is our best bet and if the consequence is getting more gameplay out of em then I am 100% for it.

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Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.

the whole "i'm new and i'm flustered because i'm being pressured" is >rand scum.

-ash

what is the >rand town reaction to being pressured early d1

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BBT SRing Infinity is old news

wdym by this? any SRs btw?

[froggodoggo]

I like infinity's page 5. feels very calm and collected and chill and other words. Infinity could i interest you in voting Gamma with me or would you prefer to stay on Klick?

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Froggo, I would like you to reevaluate your town read on Lucian.

It is in the back of my mind. I didn't like lucian calling Klick's page1 push on em boring. Was a weird way to react to pressure and I don't like their current reaction to pressure either -- comes off a lil too aggressive for a solving townie who I think would be more understanding of other people having suspicions, too.

pedit: right klick?!

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do you promise not to SR me for voting someone who i just TR'd?

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That's a completely valid take; I actively didn't want to elaborate fully because I wanted to keep seeing the observations I was seeing without influencing them or letting Lucian choose to play around them. So yes, I was hesitant to engage heavily there.

PEdit: holy posts

i have been doing this too. and im town. big town pov from klick. not sure if i want to officially TR them yet. but im getting there!

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I bet if I did write that out, I'd have Klick over here saying "look guys, awkward scum! Writing out things that are plainly obvious!"

This reads as genuine scum frustration. Frustrated because they took an action (not writing out obvious things) to look townier and it backfired.

VOTE: Lucian

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sorry for the mix up Lucian this is why I do not like giving TRs so early

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Not sure where you get the idea I'm feeling frustrated either

phrases like "ok, and?" and "OF COURSE"

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Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?

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Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?

Probably at any point where you're not attacking me for a playstyle trait that I exhibit as both scum and Town.

Ok but we don't know your playstyle, only you do. If ur gonna self meta i say you should go the full mile cuz I can't just take your word every time I think youre scummy and you just say it's NAI.

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Even if I agree with that premise, I still think that throwing out that town read was scummy.

It was done in a LAMIST attempt. You did this with 2(?) further stating of town reads as well. I noticed a lack of scum reads, which is really where town shine through.

zz i used to do this exact same thing as town

-isa

not a fan of this. looks to me like an easy way to make Lucian look better without explicitly saying they are town.
hard partner equity (is this the right word?) between Lucian and Infinity.

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without explicitly saying they are town.

lucian is town

-isa

I don't believe you

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froggo, you missed these posts?

no

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CSF, what do you think of Infinity?

If I had to guess, town because the quick reevaluation from 36 to 90 comes from town more often than not.

their takes also feel okay, like i agree that you're towny

what's the re-evaluation?

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need to hear more from Dunn, furtive, gamma, mala, aisa, and enchant. others too but these slots are proving difficult for me to be able to sort with much confidence bcuz of their lack of content.

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Not sure how much furtive's play has evolved since I spectated a scum game of theirs a couple months ago, but I think this might be town!furtive.
p-edit: aha I have perfect timing

You'd have caught me if I was scum for sure! (did I just TMI you as town?) uwu

what a post...

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furtive feels like mafia. they are giving content but they aren't actively questioning people, just reading and then saying things into the sky. like they aren't actually using their voice to solve, just to show they are doing things.

VOTE: furtiveglance

i have some other thoughts to share too but i think they are better left unsaid -- so i will just give you this cryptic statement instead!

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I don't like the way Lucian has responded about their read on Aisa

unsure what this is referring to -- dunn can you expand on ur thoughts abt Lucian? I would also like to know what you think about BBT and Aisa.

what do you think about the fact that BBT honed in on you for saying people were town on page 1, but not Aisa, who also said people were town on page 1?

could've swore I saw this mentioned already earlier but i can't find anything abt it. I also think this would give more info if you asked BBT instead of Lucian but thats probably NAI.

[froggodoggo]

YES! You did! I couldn’t find the post because it didn’t mention Aisa directly. my b

[froggodoggo]

Ok seeing as some people started getting a bit shady towards me I thought I'd lazily pocket the conftown, and suggest we all vote with Hiraki, use them as a Day Vig in a way.

we get extremely minimal info from all sheeping the IC. you should know better than to suggest this

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Also, froggo, if there are secret reasons you scumread me, I can't really refute those.

nah that statement was separate. nothing you need to worry abt

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Logically, an elimination decided by 100% town is on average better than an elimination decided by 10/13 or 11/13 town because the decision is entirely made by players with the town win condition. This becomes more obvious the closer to ELo you are, as evidenced by the Not Quite Normal Mtuball game that just finished

i would argue an elimination decided by multiple people bouncing ideas off of each other is far superior than one person choosing

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Let’s kill enchant.
Let’s never kill gamma.
I’ll prob never kill csf

I would rather kill u first.

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We'd still get plenty of information to solve with tho

If we started the game only sheeping one person — no
If we started right now — we may have a chance
Maybe on day 3 or 4 or in LimLo when the game is getting tight — that’s when we want to rely on our guaranteed town

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What else would you like to talk about? until we get big big wagons going I don’t see many points of contention rn except for maybe BBT or dunn coming back to answer things. or if enchant or mala decide to bring things to the table

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VOTE: CSF

Wagon

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be aware enchant will hammer if anyone gets to e-1

Enchant don’t you do it!!

[froggodoggo]

I set a new trend. Unsurprising.

What is surprising is that froggo is straddling scumreading me and sheeping me? Have you got any splinters there froggo, with all that fence sitting?

voting on the same wagon as you is not sheeping you. i would rather kill you than CSF. but i would also rather get a wagon going on a scummy player than on no one.

[froggodoggo]

THINK FURTIVE THINK!
WHY WOULD

I

TAKE NOTICE OF

YOU

TALKING ABOUT COLORS?

I do know, but I don't think you really have a point. If you think you do, you can share it with the group.

I'm going to let my votes do the talking.

as for this, I'll let Dunn/Enchant (well, really just Dunn!) determine whether more is said. I believe you that it's that way on your homesite but there's something else that makes the whole deal bothersome.

am I misinterpreting this or are you scumreading furtive for saying SK is purple? (which it totally isn't btw)

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I set a new trend. Unsurprising.

What is surprising is that froggo is straddling scumreading me and sheeping me? Have you got any splinters there froggo, with all that fence sitting?

voting on the same wagon as you is not sheeping you. i would rather kill you than CSF. but i would also rather get a wagon going on a scummy player than on no one.

1) It is
2) We're both scummy then. Am I bussing, what's going on here?

sheeping you is if i was like "yup i 100% agree with furtive that its CSF"
my vote on CSF has no connection to you. in fact i would say i am sheeping infinity, not you furtive.

I dunno. but i'm not gonna completely rule out voting for someone bcuz one scummy player also wants them out.

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can you help me off of CSF? i didn't vote but i was pretty ready to do so tbh. don't think enchant is a bad idea

after reading, i think enchant is better than CSF. CSF just doesn't have a lot of good posts. BBT was an early game lean scum and has not improved either - it does not help that the sole vote on BBT is CSF but that is an early guess - not a read of both players.

can you rephrase this part a bit? i'm not understanding your thoughts on CSF. ty!!

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what's up with the enchant vote? I could be wrong but I don't see that leading us anywhere.

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Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.

If enchant were to flip right now what information do we get from each alignment? (excluding wagon analysis ofc)

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Excluding wagon analysis? Uh, none, nobody has strong enough ties with him one way or another yet. Which is why I'm not advocating for him to "flip right now".

Right but its still minimal info compared to other flips

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Gut tells me that furtive is town and that CSF will flip scum.

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I just really want a flip to happen tbh.

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Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.

If enchant were to flip right now what information do we get from each alignment? (excluding wagon analysis ofc)

i want to flip scum, not alignment

yeah this whole exchange is a little weird to me - it's a weird half-defense

Thought it would be a good way to explain my thought process without just saying “vote lurkers d1 bad”
I guess I’m defending enchant but I have them as null

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Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

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Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Depending on mood and interest.

Ah. Sorry that you didn’t roll SK
Care to hop on a wagon?

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Dunn why not just ask furtive to explain the read

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Dunn why not just ask furtive to explain the read

I literally did do that in my post

True but it reads as more of an accusation than a question.

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Pagebottom!

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VOTE: Dunnstral
Yeah I’m not just gonna let you play dumb.

OK. I on the other hand have no issues with allowing you to do so.

What??????

[froggodoggo]

I have awoken from my slumber. I was tossing and turning all night, fever nightmares of unexpected town flips and scum claiming PR and living forever.

i LOL'd

[froggodoggo]

Oh, I worry about the fact I misread you in Terminator all the time. I have a notes PT (more like memes and sillyposting PT) this game and made this a couple days ago:

Spoiler: the meme I made

You just feel... really different. If you're scum this game the difference in motivation is staggering

Oh jeez. Now I have to consider whether or not someone would generate a meme in order to prove a town POV as scum.

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Thinking CSF might be town for the reaction. unfort

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BBT might be scum. Their push on Lucian could be a way to disrupt town from easily finding other towns -- if Lucian's early townreads were right then that is a problem for scum that someone needs to do something about.

No one hard pings as scum anymore tho. If I had to I would put furtive as my top red but they could easily be town.
/shrug
UNVOTE: CSF

Looking for a fresh and juicy new wagon! Not willing to go on Aisa/CSF/Lucian/Infinity. I guess I could just go Enchant? eh

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VOTE: BBT

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Aww man, Froggo's early game is really scummy and I completely missed it because I was focused on Lucian.

can you link me some more posts so I can respond?

as for 127 I was TRing infinity in that post and planned on unvoting them, infinity said they thought gamma was scummy and their vote was on Klick, who i didn't think was scummy, so I thought if I could get infinity to vote gamma that would be a good wagon to get started esp. since gamma wasn't providing much at the time.

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VOTE: CSF

Wagon

You abandoned your Furtive scum read to form a random (?) wagon?

yes I am bored and want death

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Anyone know wtf klick is doing??

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This is you talking to me as if you know I'm town.

Fair. didn't wanna clash with you and so adding qualifiers like "if you're town" just didn't feel necessary. I don't know your alignment and have been null on you this whole game which is why I've

never ever mentioned my thoughts on you until recently

. A little disappointed that no one picked up on this tbh, it was an intentional move and I wanted to see if someone would try to pair us from it. Writing it down this sounds super scummy but it's the truth so cheers!

As for the TR stuff, I can't recall my thought process entirely. I know in 101 I was leaning town on Klick at the time but only advocated for them being town later in 138 because I thought it was enough to solidify my read. Actually it looks like I didn't even commit to it there... I do think Klick is probably town. but I can assure you that had nothing to do with your push on Lucian.

Also I no longer TR Dunn

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Why didn't you want to clash with me? Also, if you're scum, intentionally ignoring/not acknowledging me could be you trying to leave false associatives, no?

If you were leaning town on Klick why did you make the point of 'not being ready to townread them' in 138? You didn't solidify your read in 138, you made a point of not town reading them!

Didn't see anything suspicious from you and didn't want to slow you down while you were trying to progress the game. And yeah that's why I realize it was scummy, that's my bad.

Don't know tbh. Paranoia maybe? I can never be

too

certain with a D1 read, after all there are no flips rn.

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I honestly could not tell you. I'm just inconsistent like that. I probably shouldn't have said that I don't like to give TRs early on, I do this a lot as either alignment where I set up expectations for my play, break those expectations, and then get SR'd for it. Sorry

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but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.

any way you can explain this further? might help myself and others see what you see

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Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

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but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.

any way you can explain this further? might help myself and others see what you see

Yeah. You gave ground and said sorry, which goes further than scum usually do.

As for BBT, they didn't sound that authentic in their reasoning and even after talking to you, they didn't finish with an update of their current thoughts, just opened it up to the floor, which doesn't convince me at all and looks like scummy indifference rather than towny zeal. First thing I noticed is that they're not even voting you.

Yeah I guess it is pretty fence-sitty. I wonder if I'm the first person to ever use that as an adjective

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Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

Conftown is on Enchant so probably the bookies' favourite (yes I'm British), my preferred choice is CSF (or even BBT).

I thought you were considering getting off CSF?

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I'm not going to give PR claims the usual respect in this setup

Fair but I don't think we should disregard them entirely. But we can discuss that when it happens. Mechanics and such.

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Care to name the slots Lucian?

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Iiiiiiiiiinteresting...

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I nominate BBT to be pressured. I think they have gotten away doing not a whole lot this game and I wanna make em play.

But I am not everyone so yall do ur own thing

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I am really surprised no-one has scum read you though.

Samesies. at this point if I were scum I would've told my partners to SR me so that town doesn't get paranoid about my slot.

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BBT why did you wait to bring up furtive angling/shading you until now?

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Ehhh this is weird from BBT. Only announcing how furtive has been shading BBT until after furtive votes them. I don't get the concept of intentionally not saying things about someone you think is scummy after a read up on the game.

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Cool.

Well, I tell you what. I'm happy to be the elim Today if you're the elim on D2 on my green flip? How about that? Because I can't be assed with the effort of defending myself in yet another fucking game.

I don't explain myself to scum.

Not a fan of either of these. The wifom in 553 is super LAMIST, something you SR'd Lucian for, and 563 is just an awful excuse that looks like you avoiding spewing. "I don't explain myself to scum" is not something you use when you are asked to provide any thoughts on a player who you haven't given thoughts on.

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I 100% agree with limming BBT or Furtive today, I think it's pretty darn likely this is TvS. Don't know exactly how to explain it but the vibe is there.

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also i don't really see a reason for scum to be starting a big fight here?

Is this about furtive or BBT?

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I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

Come on now, Mala has done enough for a temporary townpass?

I think your reactions to BBT on the last 2 pages were towny, but I think you're very tunneled

Wait what I didn’t notice this at all. Wtf has Mala done to get a townpass???

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I still prefer the BBT kill rn but I’m surprised there isn’t a furtive wagon rn. I know there was earlier in the game.

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boop

boop

How dare you.

LMAO LETS GO GAMMA

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gamma why do you like csf?

furtive feels towny to me tbh. i'm still not sure why he pushes BBT there so hard as scum.

not really into the enchant lim, the "think before i vote" thing is kinda meaningless to me and limming a contentless slot on d1 doesn't seem great. i'll vote there at deadline obviously though

interactions around Aisa and also ig Enchant
I feel like she's actually trying to follow up on recent meta to form her reads in this game
ig it could be faked but idk how much effort CSF!scum puts into fake town thought process as scum, I would wager rather little given in Terminator she got yeeted mostly because after getting UTR by bussing Koba, she just kinda sat around while the rest of the group tried to solve the rest of the game

i agree with this post, I don't have a strong read on CSF but their reactions to things is what made me realize they could def be town

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you could start by actually backing up your SR on me, all I remember is vague BS tying me to CSF

How well evidenced does it really need to be? All you said on me was that I was 'dry' and 'a dead fish'. You didn't have a read on CSF for a while, then you townread them and I scumread them so that's one reason. Apart from that, it's just that I've seen scum play like you're playing, and I don't like your reads at all.

i don't think having different reads than someone else is a sensible reason to SR someone this early in the game. if you don't like gamma's reasonings, sure, but I don't think that's what you're saying.

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I'm not sure how you managed to twist this into me being old and out of touch, but no the vast majority of players do not do this.

whatever
What even is the relevance of this? Are you trying to assert Aisa is scum who posted that meme in the scum PT? That’s like the only tangible thought process I can come up with that isn’t you just being nitpicky.

Is being nitpicky a scumtell?

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Alianna u r great

:)

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Klick u r currently voting the innocent child

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Enchant do you not care if you get voted out??

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Then why aren’t you trying to not die

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Let me into your mind, Enchant. >:)

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Enchant I’m not even voting you… but I’m really not a fan of players who don’t defend themselves. I ain’t convincing myself not to push u that’s ur job.

[froggodoggo]

What info you get from BBT death

Too early for me in the irl day to answer this but Klick’s answer is bleh. Flipping someone d1 for exactly one associative is not worth it. And frankly I’m not convinced on the logic behind it either which makes it even less appealing.

Hiraki if you really think BBT is town then I’ll get off it. I am pretty lost rn and thought I might’ve found something with BBT’s reaction to furtive being pushed but /shrug

[froggodoggo]

*reaction to being pushed by furtive

[froggodoggo]

I dunno tbh. Most of the enchant case seems like a meta read based on how they usually play as town which I can’t give opinions on because I’ve never played with them before and didn’t pick up much from reading games with them in it. My biggest fear about the Enchant wagon is that Mala who is a literal question mark is on it and you are on it after getting pissy abt furtive. Maybe there was a reason for the switch but i don’t recall it rn

[froggodoggo]

At this point probably not. In most games that would be a nail in the coffin but there are replacements on this site and I did see Enchant do some solving in their overall site ISO. But you definitely do have a point. If y’all are gonna be advocating for Enchant’s death all game then maybe it’s worth getting it over with.

[froggodoggo]

Putting Enchant at E-1 in 6 hrs if no one else has done so already

[froggodoggo]

VOTE: Enchant

That's E-1.

Time to claim.

>:(

[froggodoggo]

Oh cool they claimed Doc

[froggodoggo]

Pedit - You allowed yourself to get ran up like this as Doc?!?!

my thoughts exactly

[froggodoggo]

Hi hello why are we killing the doc claim. I would like to have a doctor around tyvm!!

[froggodoggo]

I mean I guess their best play as scum right now is to claim exactly Doctor… man screw u enchant!! (In the nicest way possible)

[froggodoggo]

No. What. This wagon has been here for a while.

I would like to hammer rn very badly for funsies!! I will again wait, this time 5 hours. Unless 3 players give me permission to do the deed!!

[froggodoggo]

No no no we should really wait for other people to give their thoughts first. I don’t want to upset anyone. Gamma, Lucian, Infinity, Aisa, they might all want to say something before the day ends.

[froggodoggo]

Teehee sorry Dunn

While we wait what is everyone’s favorite Pokemon? Atm mine is Oshawott

[froggodoggo]

When life gives you lemons so you decide to pelt them all at Enchant for living all game as a Doctor claim

[froggodoggo]

Look at me I am so paranoid furtive! What if they are actually doc….

[froggodoggo]

VOTE: Enchant

That's E-1.

Time to claim.

>:(

Oh cool they claimed Doc

what is this reaction

Frownie face was bc I wanted to put enchant at e-1 and furtive stole my thunder

[froggodoggo]

VOTE: froggodoggo
I think this is worth trying
I wasn't vibing w him earlier and the reaction to enchant's run-up and claim seems waffly in the wrong way

Guess I should’ve hammered while I had the chance? Had two other players encouraging it too, would’ve been insanely easy to do.

[froggodoggo]

Sounds like you're regretting it?

No I just don’t see how my reaction is scummy when I could’ve ended the day and not allowed for any of this discourse to happen.

[froggodoggo]

Sounds like you're regretting it?

No I just don’t see how my reaction is scummy when I could’ve ended the day and not allowed for any of this discourse to happen.

But you didn't know that we would start sussing you more at that point.

Okay but that was still a risk that I was willing to take because I was more focused with making sure everyone had their say before one of us potentially dies at night.

[froggodoggo]

Like, I am still set on killing Enchant here, I am now on board with the group of people who don’t wanna be second guessing this scummy Doc who does nothing all game. By not hammering there I made that much harder on myself, but it was worth it because I get to see other players feedback and see if any big revelations happen from the claim. I think it would be unfair to end the day early but extremely beneficial to me especially if I were scum.

[froggodoggo]

If you’re scumcasing me for a bad reaction to the Doc claim then you are also assuming Enchant is legit lol

[froggodoggo]

Yup, which I did. And then didn’t hammer.

[froggodoggo]

If you’re scumcasing me for a bad reaction to the Doc claim then you are also assuming Enchant is legit lol

No, I'm saying if your towncase on yourself is "I could have hammered X", it only makes sense if X is town. If X is mafia, "I could have hammered mafia and didn't" isn't a towncase, it's a scumcase. See what I mean?

Okay

[froggodoggo]

Furtive lemme hammer

[froggodoggo]

[froggodoggo]

[froggodoggo]

Froggo is my lowkey SK read, they're scummy but not really paired with anyone because everyone susses them.

Makes sense. I indeed have no pairs! I am just scummy because I refuse to shut my mouth. If i only said half the things I do in this game I would probably still have no SRs on me but i can’t help myself

[froggodoggo]

enchant needs to die and i think a night phase would help me get more engaged regardless

samesies! my brain is very clocked out rn

[froggodoggo]

I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.

is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?

[froggodoggo]

I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.

is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?

You should omgus

I'll vote Hiraki if you vote Enchant

[froggodoggo]

I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.

is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?

It's not a vibe, it's my opinion.

Well if you give me any examples then I will use em to convince you to the best of my abilities

[froggodoggo]

I think just Mala

[froggodoggo]

Cuz I don't expect her to post

[froggodoggo]

Bye Bye~

VOTE: Enchant

Spoiler:

[froggodoggo]

boop

[froggodoggo]

Hi hi

[froggodoggo]

I wasn't able to find the time to re-eval during the night phase but will get to it tmrw. Btw im town and mala kill is annoying but not surprising considering ppl here on this site seem to be good at making kills.

[froggodoggo]

What info can we gain from mala dying at night

[froggodoggo]

no it's not

[froggodoggo]

Yes there is indeed 2 maf left. Also we can get a rough estimate of how many PRs have to exist with an RB flip.

Thought I'd have a lot more heat coming in to this day and it has been in the back of my head how I will defend myself. I think one big thing is that Enchant is the type of player who I would not be willing to die trying to save because I don't see them making it very far with so little content. Socially, I think that makes sense, but because Enchant was RB things coincidentally look bad for me.

Ty for the TR CSF, I think I TR you too for your reaction to the kill. Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

[froggodoggo]

No no I'm pretty sure this kill was made by mafia lol. Let's please hold off with any claiming.

[froggodoggo]

Okay, we don't have to agree. But most kills are made by mafia and I see little reason to think this is not one of them. I also think you could very, very easily be scum Klick. Your reaction to Enchant's claim was very out of the ordinary and looks like you were trying to gain cred by being on the vote. But otherwise I've liked your other posts and deem this something to revisit later in the game if we happen to be there.

[froggodoggo]

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.

But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.

[froggodoggo]

Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

See this just reads to me like your plan in the night was to make a weird kill and then argue this to open up your options.

That is exactly the kind of reply i expected kek

[froggodoggo]

CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more? Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me so I would like to hope BBT is town

[froggodoggo]

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.

But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.

That is what you're doing though
Mala kill only makes sense if Mafia think they need it

I think it might just be BBT/froggo

Counterpoint you are already not buying anything I'm saying about the kill so obviously no making a weird kill does not help Mafia convince people they are not scum. Like I said earlier, it helps mafia who are already hidden stay hidden. I do not fit that category.

[froggodoggo]

Klick don't do this lol. You are actively thinking me as more and more likely I am mafia every time I talk about this -- so what motivation do I actually have to bring it up as scum? I am just voicing my genuine thoughts.

I still think Froggo is town. He seems to be posting whatever thoughts pop up into his head without a filter, so his thought process, while messy, does ring as genuine.

[froggodoggo]

Your reaction to Enchant's claim was very out of the ordinary

and looks like you were trying to gain cred by being on the vote.

Explain?

I think if scum wanted to bus, they wouldn't have had Klick's trajectory.

Sorry I don't think it would be worthwhile to explain much further, I don't think Klick is necessarily scum right now especially bcuz of their impulsive vote on me. Just something I wanted to point out in case it's useful in an endgame where Klick is scum and I'm dead and people are looking for evidence against them. No post will go unnoticed!

[froggodoggo]

CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more?

Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me

so I would like to hope BBT is town

What conversation made you feel that way?

I feel like he tried to shift the wagon away from Enchant at critical times, especially with 760, but he also left himself open to voting Enchant for a bus if necessary

712 and 713

[froggodoggo]

Klick don't do this lol. You are actively thinking me as more and more likely I am mafia every time I talk about this -- so what motivation do I actually have to bring it up as scum? I am just voicing my genuine thoughts.

I absolutely think based on your posting so far that you're the type of person who would run hard into WIFOM as a desperation play

I have personally made this kind of play before, and you fit the profile for it.

Yeah u rite LMAO. But i'm not I promise. And not in this sort of way. If this was anywhere near the end of the game, yes 100% I would probably always do this. But if I'm scum I need to prepare my partner to have the best possible odds of winning because I'm not gonna be there with them. That means letting them mow down the list of people who won't be limmable as fast as possible. Stopping by Mala's house at night is a massive no-no

[froggodoggo]

I will use WIFOM till death do me part Klick but I'm town fr fr

[froggodoggo]

Honestly tho, why does scum even need to PR hunt in this setup? We just sent a doc claim home. PR claims don't save you.

[froggodoggo]

Klick don't do this lol. You are actively thinking me as more and more likely I am mafia every time I talk about this -- so what motivation do I actually have to bring it up as scum? I am just voicing my genuine thoughts.

I absolutely think based on your posting so far that you're the type of person who would run hard into WIFOM as a desperation play

I have personally made this kind of play before, and you fit the profile for it.

Yeah u rite LMAO. But i'm not I promise. And not in this sort of way. If this was anywhere near the end of the game, yes 100% I would probably always do this. But if I'm scum I need to prepare my partner to have the best possible odds of winning because I'm not gonna be there with them. That means letting them mow down the list of people who won't be limmable as fast as possible. Stopping by Mala's house at night is a massive no-no

You're doing it now because your partner is BBT and you're both screwed.

Why tf would BBT be my partner?

[froggodoggo]

I've played with Enchant before and this kind of play is very typical for them as both alignments. I was under the impression that they were being voted out because they were doing nothing - an angle that I was not personally interested in because I've seen this from Enchant as town before.

959 feels sort of revisionist. If Enchant is different in this game from Terminator, why was that not called out before his elimination? I instead feel that they were voted out mainly for doing nothing, not for looking different from his town game

Not true, Lucian mentioned this in 588

[froggodoggo]

I'm actually thinking slightly differently on Klick. I said I TRed them for their confidence in the scum flip. Funnily enough, that was because I was thinking Enchant might flip town.

Enchant being Roleblocker make some think scum would be extremely unlikely to want to elim them.

I want to look earlier in the game when Enchant wagon starts building and see what happens around that. Scum would have been reluctant to bus Enchant IMO.

this is true nice thinking

[froggodoggo]

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Enchant (ELIMINATED): Hiraki, Lucian, Cat Scratch Fever, Malakittens, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, froggodoggo
Malakittens (2): Enchant, Dunnstral
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Infinity 324
furtiveglance (1): Aisa

Not Voting (2): furtiveglance, Gamma Emerald

Froggo's posting around the Enchant hammer really gave me scum vibes.

He is literally the only person on the Enchant wagon who I think can be scum, too.

Outside chance of Klick, but I'm not entertaining that any time soon. It's entirely possible both scum were off the wagon I guess

Fwiw furtive was on the wagon originally but unvoted after the doc claim

[froggodoggo]

Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.

the whole "i'm new and i'm flustered because i'm being pressured" is >rand scum.

-ash

Interesting interaction.

explain further this is just shading

[froggodoggo]

Skimming through when enchant first got voted and furtive is catching my attention.

Spoiler:

Was initially opposed to the enchant vote:

I don't like the Enchant vote, they read more town than scum to me. I'd take a BBT vote if Hiraki is really against CSF going, but I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

The thing that sticks in my mind is them asking GE whether they would sheep them on a read - the concept of having good reads or bad reads showed a Town POV.

and mentions Enchant when talking to other players multiple times, but never once tries to actually interact with Enchant. this is something I thought was scummy of furtive earlier in the game but now that it applies directly to a flipped scum I think it's a lot more concerning.

My reason for chainsawing for Enchant was less that I townleaned them for their ISO, but more that I scumread other people more and considered some Enchant voters (e.g. BBT) to be voting the easy wagon.

this also doesn't align with their earlier TR of enchant

I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

With this list, the phrase 'have done enough for a temporary townpass' was only really about Infinity and Klick. The other three I'd say haven't done enough to be town, but also haven't stood out to me as scummy in the same way that my bottom three have.

here is furtive trying to sneak Enchant into their "townpass" list

I'm not really buying it, but I'll unvote anyway to see what others think.

could see this coming from town but it's certainly fence-sitty and an unvote on scum is an unvote on scum.

Oh I forgot to say, I'm not going to give PR claims the usual respect in this setup, because I would definitely pick a random role as scum.

This you?

Yes it's me. I literally said I'm not buying it, but I want to allow discussion first. If others also doubt the claim I will re-vote.

nice one from BBT again, wack that yall think BBT is scum

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2): furtiveglance, Lucian, Infinity 324, froggodoggo, Klick

and to backtrack a bit, furtive was on the early CSF wagon, and i'm pretty sure CSF is town. Klick and Lucian also look pretty good IMO so I think furtive being a scum on this wagon fits nicely.

VOTE: furtiveglance

BBT and others who TR furtive, talk to me about why please?? this ISO is riddled with scumpings that connect them to Enchant and I want em outta here

[froggodoggo]

Froggo, can the same not be applied to Infinity? Check my previous post regarding their read progression on Enchant and tell me how it makes sense.

Furtive is town for our EoD1 discussion

Maybe idk. I'll read up on infinity shortly.

What page is this discussion?

[froggodoggo]

i mean after the past few pages i still don't have more than a slight scumlean on BBT. still prefer csf to be honest. i guess furtive is towny for agreeing with me there (also i don't really see a reason for scum to be starting a big fight here? maybe if like enchant is a buddy. idk)

hi infinity

[froggodoggo]

Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.

But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.

Do you have any idea of what players would be in position to make a kill like this in this game based on your reasoning?

I also kinda want this answered froggo

Probably players with the most townreads, if i had to name names I think i'd be looking at aisa and lucian? But I don't necessarily think either are scum rn I need to look further

[froggodoggo]

Skimming through when enchant first got voted and furtive is catching my attention.

Spoiler:

Was initially opposed to the enchant vote:

I don't like the Enchant vote, they read more town than scum to me. I'd take a BBT vote if Hiraki is really against CSF going, but I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

The thing that sticks in my mind is them asking GE whether they would sheep them on a read - the concept of having good reads or bad reads showed a Town POV.

and mentions Enchant when talking to other players multiple times, but never once tries to actually interact with Enchant. this is something I thought was scummy of furtive earlier in the game but now that it applies directly to a flipped scum I think it's a lot more concerning.

My reason for chainsawing for Enchant was less that I townleaned them for their ISO, but more that I scumread other people more and considered some Enchant voters (e.g. BBT) to be voting the easy wagon.

this also doesn't align with their earlier TR of enchant

I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

With this list, the phrase 'have done enough for a temporary townpass' was only really about Infinity and Klick. The other three I'd say haven't done enough to be town, but also haven't stood out to me as scummy in the same way that my bottom three have.

here is furtive trying to sneak Enchant into their "townpass" list

I'm not really buying it, but I'll unvote anyway to see what others think.

could see this coming from town but it's certainly fence-sitty and an unvote on scum is an unvote on scum.

Oh I forgot to say, I'm not going to give PR claims the usual respect in this setup, because I would definitely pick a random role as scum.

This you?

Yes it's me. I literally said I'm not buying it, but I want to allow discussion first. If others also doubt the claim I will re-vote.

nice one from BBT again, wack that yall think BBT is scum

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2): furtiveglance, Lucian, Infinity 324, froggodoggo, Klick

and to backtrack a bit, furtive was on the early CSF wagon, and i'm pretty sure CSF is town. Klick and Lucian also look pretty good IMO so I think furtive being a scum on this wagon fits nicely.

VOTE: furtiveglance

BBT and others who TR furtive, talk to me about why please?? this ISO is riddled with scumpings that connect them to Enchant and I want em outta here

Ayo why me breh?

On the real though, I was initially wrong on Enchant but reconsidered when Hiraki and Lucian (conftown and strong TR) voted them, and Lucian in particular made a strong case on them. As for "unvote on scum is an unvote on scum", I didn't want a Doctor to get hammered before anyone weighed in. I literally said I didn't buy the claim and supported that elimination.

All of this is true but none of it makes me think you're not mafia /shrug

[froggodoggo]

Froggo, you understand the post you quoted from Infinity means it's unlikely Furtive is aligned with Enchant and it's more likely that scum!Infinity tried to tie town!Furtive to Enchant, right?

Yeah I can see that but also its something that i wanted infinity to comment on now that enchant flipped red

[froggodoggo]

I do think my Townread on froggo did go down quite a bit. The "damn I should've hammered!" read I had yesterday is probably not that Townie, considering Enchant did flip scum.

froggo also fits in the group of players that didn't vote Enchant up to claim, but did vote him after the claim.

True but I had intent to put Enchant at E-1 until furtive beat me to it

[froggodoggo]

I think I dislike 1035. Two things have been asked of Infinity, to do their re-eval and to explain their progression on Enchant. The first one takes time, but the second one shouldn't. So I'd kind of expect town!Infinity to say why they changed their mind on Enchant at least, while scum!Infinity is more likely to go "yeah sorry getting to this game tomorrow".

I really doubt that comment from infinity is AI??

[froggodoggo]

Idk exactly what this means considering Lucian is pushing Infinity now, but Lucian and Infinity were very very aligned D1 with comments like these:

Spoiler:

Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?

Infinity is slightly Townie to me, I think 22 seems like a real thought. Everything else from their ISO seems pretty NAI to me.

[...]

Why is Infinity scum?

Bold claim. Klick can be Town, I don't think scum's first idea is to attack me for being too friendly when most of my 3 existing posts are criticizing someo

this is towny self-aware

why is lucian awkward?

VOTE: hiraki

Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.

froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.

This doesn't feel natural to me at all.

can you elaborate on this? maybe it's because we always used to try to squeeze as much info as possible out of rvs, but this actually seems quite genuine to me.

-james

froggo, you missed these posts?

this was after I realized they were aligning with each other and accused infinity of TRing lucian without reason

Care to name the slots Lucian?

Right now it's Klick, BBT, Malakittens, maybe CSF and Infinity. Some of my reads I need to re-evaluate, but I haven't found the time yet.

these were slots that Lucian could compromise on elimming on (other than Enchant)

like pushing what seems like a utr with 3 days left until the deadline is not super productive

oh i was talking about the part where bbt was pushing froggo

The more I think about it, the more I dislike this "pushing a UTR is not productive" line from Infinity. While I would agree that pushing a UTR this close to deadline isn't productive (especially with a case that isn't that good, no offense BBT), that push lasted about 3 and a half hours, approximately? and then BBT gave up on it, had some actual conclusions as a consequence of making that push, and started doing other things. So giving this criticism

after

that happened feels off.

Looking at that Terminator game now before I get distracted again.

looks like Lucian has pretty natural read progression actually! I would say this probably means these two can't be maf together?

[froggodoggo]

I want to make my vote useful in the meantime:

VOTE: Infinity

Interested in them explaining their progression on Enchant and the re-evals they said they'll do. Helps that I townread both the people voting them currently.

This feels wack. You’re interested in Infinity’s re-evals but also feel okay voting them?

dont understand this from gamma. everyone thinks differently but i don't see how that's weird from lucian whatsoever. its just putting pressure on people who Lucian wants info from

[froggodoggo]

Gamma however just has waaay more clear interest in straight solving as town than faking it in a compelling way as scum I feel. Here right from the get-go he just starts solving, boom froggo townread, boom Klick townread, let's see if furtive slips on Hiraki knowledge randomly, it's scummy let's vote him, oh look Lucian is town, etc. It's clear his top interest is in solving the game. I haven't felt that sort of energy from playing with them being scum previously. And it's consistent throughout the game, Gamma actually just wants to solve this and that seems obvious to me.

This is super convincing but I also think if infinity is mafia Gamma is their partner:

Spoiler:

you were a little closed to engagement in a way that seemed +scum to us. early game i'd expect town to want to engage; e.g. "here's why i think lucian here is scummy rather than overeager town" or just "i think being overexplaining in that way is +scum early on"

-idk

pedit: gamma could be scum

I like infinity's page 5. feels very calm and collected and chill and other words. Infinity could i interest you in voting Gamma with me or would you prefer to stay on Klick?

maybe honestly i never know what to do with my vote. i could vote gamma but what's the point, we'll 95% be able to read him correctly later anyway

-ellies

says gamma could be scum but comes up with a reason to 1. not vote him 2. switch to townreading her later

They just don’t seem to get along

haha i don't remember this but it's funny if true

gamam town btw

and then later comes wayyyy too soon for my taste, personally I imagined a day phase or two before the read would be made

[froggodoggo]

I'm interested in your take on whether Enchant could be telling the truth here Dunn

I am leaning towards eliminating them; I think they slipped that their team has a roleblocker on it.

I was waiting for someone else to bring this up but what?!?! I can kind of see how he could get that idea but...

Techically speaking i probably will be chainroleblocked and lemoned later anyway.

Roleblocker isn't guaranteed by the setup mate

hmm, yeah I didn't remember the wording looking this bad from Enchant and Dunn catches it pretty instantly. could be a big ol mafia conspiracy but Dunn is probably town for this!!

[froggodoggo]

Froggo really trynna scrape himself some towncred for 'intent to E-1', this slot needs to go today or tomorrow.

When did I say I was town for it?? you're not allowed to speak for me and then say I have to be elimmed

[froggodoggo]

Someone vote this guy off with me. I made all these posts with valuable information and they pinpoint one little thing and try to make me look bad because of it. No thoughts on anything else I've just put out??

Pedit don't remember exactly but I would imagine I wanted Enchant to start playing the game already and wanted to give them 6 hours to change my mind. I think I felt bad for em

[froggodoggo]

>:(

[froggodoggo]

oop pagetop

[froggodoggo]

looks like Lucian has pretty natural read progression actually! I would say this probably means these two can't be maf together?

Do you find me a likely Enchant partner though?

off the top of my head, if someone bussed Enchant it'd probably be you

[froggodoggo]

Froggo and Furtive... Can we not?

Infinity is today's elim. Don't let them out of the spotlight by creating a distraction.

Thanks!

I see nothing wrong with interrogating other people. the wagon on Infinity is still there and I don't think it should go away until Infinity provides a reason for it to go away.

[froggodoggo]

Aisa logs look pretty decent. I like how she goes back and forth on their furtive read, I think that indicates real thought process. Although am confused as to why Aisa never unvoted furtive D1 since she ultimately concluded with furtive as town. Care to explain Aisa?

Aisa did eventually come around to wanting Enchant gone and for good reason but never voted them -- however I don't think this is a problem since the vote was already on E-2 and Aisa said she wanted to give Mala time to come back and talk.

I also really like 1028 since it aligns with Aisa genuinely thinking about the furtive slot a lot. I think Aisa is town

[froggodoggo]

Don't feel like reading up on CSF or Gamma nothing personal i'm just tired. I recall a post about CSF bussing in a game D1 as mafia so lookout for that I guess? But I've liked CSF this game. Gamma idek

Readslist time (omitted myself and Hiraki)
reads not in particular order except for color sorting

BBT
Klick
Lucian
Aisa
CSF
Dunn

Gamma

Infinity
Furtive

[froggodoggo]

Yeah I figured lol, u took forever to unvote me after RVS

VOTE: Infinity

E-3

[froggodoggo]

just reading BBT's posts tbh

[froggodoggo]

oh u rite

[froggodoggo]

LETS GOOOOOO

VOTE: furtive

[froggodoggo]

No no I'm pretty sure this kill was made by mafia lol

interested to hear your reasoning if appropriate

I think i said it right before or after this post. Mala looks like a no-info kill to me. BBT says its because mala is conf town for enchant interactions, I could see that too but I would never conf mala for that

[froggodoggo]

Although based on that wagon on me that got to e-2, I'd be willing to hop on infinity

-_- do you really think you've been towny enough to say this

huh?? if someone knows they are town that is enough reason to say anything.

[froggodoggo]

Hehe sorry to change votes right after the VC but i'm hopping back on Infinity. I don't feel great voting with both infinity and gamma and I'm getting scumvibes from gamma rn. Voting furtive because you get SK vibes from them is weird. Sussing furtive because they include SK in their solve is also weird. I dont think either reasoning is sufficient enough to mean anything.

VOTE: Infinity

[froggodoggo]

Hehe sorry to change votes right after the VC but i'm hopping back on Infinity. I don't feel great voting with both infinity and gamma and I'm getting scumvibes from gamma rn. Voting furtive because you get SK vibes from them is weird. Sussing furtive because they include SK in their solve is also weird. I dont think either reasoning is sufficient enough to mean anything.

VOTE: Infinity

>:/
Why even change votes in the first place?

cuz i didnt actually read just saw furtive votes and got excited

[froggodoggo]

what's up with the enchant vote? I could be wrong but I don't see that leading us anywhere.

Why were you against a pressure wagon on Enchant?

didnt want to vote a lurker d1 bcuz if lurker flips town it sux

[froggodoggo]

if enchant were to be a green flip i would say we would have absolutely no new info rn and we would be letting mafia get a kill for free

[froggodoggo]

oh thats me. i will go read pages. happy birthday alianna!!!!!

Thank you!

- Alianna

[froggodoggo]

- If I have to defend myself I think I’m more likely to point to things I *did* rather than things I *would* or *wouldn’t* do as mafia. The latter can never escape WIFOM to some extent. I understand that sometimes you just want to share what’s on your mind, but it doesn’t feel like the approach they’ve taken to defending themselves is actually the most constructive.

Fair enough! but the things I did are seen in my ISO whereas the things I didn't do aren't

[froggodoggo]

I think I've been playing a pretty active game and have been trying to get as much information out of people as much as possible. That's not something that clears me in any way but town benefits from making people give opinions on others to create association and I've tried to make people do that throughout the entire game.

Spoiler:

i am very sad. i need a big strong townie to save me from the wagonners. help!!

oh yea, furtive's Infinity vote seemed non-random

but if that's the case, then why not say why you're voting them to start a Serious Wagon (TM)?

i dunno. vote infinity with me?

(ongoing but a fun read)

Just a heads up, you shouldn't be linking this.

My bad. Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?

BBT SRing Infinity is old news

wdym by this? any SRs btw?

I like infinity's page 5. feels very calm and collected and chill and other words. Infinity could i interest you in voting Gamma with me or would you prefer to stay on Klick?

need to hear more from Dunn, furtive, gamma, mala, aisa, and enchant. others too but these slots are proving difficult for me to be able to sort with much confidence bcuz of their lack of content.

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Depending on mood and interest.

Ah. Sorry that you didn’t roll SK
Care to hop on a wagon?

Care to name the slots Lucian?

I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.

is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?

You should omgus

I'll vote Hiraki if you vote Enchant

CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more? Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me so I would like to hope BBT is town

among other questions that are pro-discussion

Spoiler:

why is lucian awkward?

VOTE: hiraki

why vote the IC? seems like a throwaway vote

Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.

the whole "i'm new and i'm flustered because i'm being pressured" is >rand scum.

-ash

what is the >rand town reaction to being pressured early d1

Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?

THINK FURTIVE THINK!
WHY WOULD

I

TAKE NOTICE OF

YOU

TALKING ABOUT COLORS?

I do know, but I don't think you really have a point. If you think you do, you can share it with the group.

I'm going to let my votes do the talking.

as for this, I'll let Dunn/Enchant (well, really just Dunn!) determine whether more is said. I believe you that it's that way on your homesite but there's something else that makes the whole deal bothersome.

am I misinterpreting this or are you scumreading furtive for saying SK is purple? (which it totally isn't btw)

can you help me off of CSF? i didn't vote but i was pretty ready to do so tbh. don't think enchant is a bad idea

after reading, i think enchant is better than CSF. CSF just doesn't have a lot of good posts. BBT was an early game lean scum and has not improved either - it does not help that the sole vote on BBT is CSF but that is an early guess - not a read of both players.

can you rephrase this part a bit? i'm not understanding your thoughts on CSF. ty!!

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

Conftown is on Enchant so probably the bookies' favourite (yes I'm British), my preferred choice is CSF (or even BBT).

I thought you were considering getting off CSF?

BBT why did you wait to bring up furtive angling/shading you until now?

I can't deny that my gameplay around enchant looks weird and I wouldn't want to let that go either. But I know inside that it's just a result of me talking like way too much. If I say everything I think I'm bound to say something that makes me look bad but obviously I accept the consequences I think my interactions with enchant reflect the rest of my gameplay though, trying to get info out of them and making them actually do things. They didn't and that sucked and I guess in hindsight I should've just policy'd the slot. I hope the rest of my game is enough to make up for my mistake!

[froggodoggo]

Is defending oneself not a thing on this site?

[froggodoggo]

Doot dadoot da dee
Why must you kill me?
Doot dadoot da dededee
Please let me run freeee!

[froggodoggo]

Not true >:(

[froggodoggo]

Who's mafia right now Froggo? Me and someone I'm guessing.

Infinity and Gamma seem like likely scum pairs but neither of them are on me so I dunno. You give me town vibes rn but I still think you’re sus. If I had to name people other than you, Aisa and CSF flipping onto me is suspect and something they should reasonably expect to get away with as mafia.

[froggodoggo]

put me to e-1 and claim intent or get off me, make up ur mind town >:P i better wake up to one of these things happening